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This week, Jessica Lyda returns. A friend recommended her sessions to me in 2020 and afterward I wanted to know how she got into it and have her share her wisdom here. The way that she works with people is hard to articulate, but she explains it well in this. Jessica has facilitated healing sessions with thousands of different people, from celebrities to therapists to shamans to skeptics to me! She helps you figure out some trapped emotions and how to release those. We also talk about: what to do when nothing is working, how to handle feeing stagnant, toxic relationships, setting boundaries, people-pleasing dynamics, overwhelm, catching ideas, and much more … let us know if you listen… Show Notes: - Find Jessica on the Web | Instagram - Find me on IG: @letitouttt + @katiedalebout | Substack - A couple spots left in the Creative Clinic: book a call with me here - More on Creative Underdogs/In Process here | waitlist - Check out the Let It Out Kits | Write Kit | Talk Kit Waitlist - Jésabel's Inbox Organization course: code LETITOUT for 20% off If you liked this episode, try out from the archive: Episode 359 - Managing Energy and Healing with Energy Worker Jessica Lyda

This week is the second part of my conversation with longtime DJ and music producer, Free Oribhabor. He’s also the founder of The Record Club, an immersive album listening experience he hosts monthly in LA. As the LA Times put it, "He wanted to create a music listening experience that replicated the grandiose feeling of sitting in a theater and watching a film with other fans." As you’ll hear in these conversations (and you’ve felt if you’ve danced while he’s DJ-ing or been in the audience while he unpacks a favorite album) his enthusiasm is palpable. In this we not only talk about the origin of The Record Club but also expanding it in the future while maintaining the intimate vision he had for it early on. In part 2 we talk about how his musical taste has developed, having confidence in one's taste and allowing taste to change, and he also takes questions from friends. If you missed part 1, we covered wormholes and research, being undervalued in education, and making money doing many different things (being a jack-of-all-trades) which can mean that things take longer. Let us know if you listen. Show Notes: - Follow Free @yeafree + The Record Club @therecord.club - LA Times article on The Record Club - Find me on IG: @letitouttt + @katiedalebout | Substack - 2 spots left in the Creative Clinic: book a call with me here - More on Creative Underdogs/In Process here | waitlist - Check out the Let It Out Kits | Write Kit | Talk Kit Waitlist - Jésabel's Inbox Organization course: code LETITOUT for 20% off If you liked this episode, try out from the archive: Episode 441 - Madelynn De La Rosa Returns (Part 1 of 2) Reinvention, Resolutions, Cinema, etc.

This week is part 1 of a 2-part conversation I had with longtime DJ and music producer, Free Oribhabor. He’s also the founder of The Record Club, an immersive album listening experience he hosts monthly in LA. As the LA Times put it, "He wanted to create a music listening experience that replicated the grandiose feeling of sitting in a theater and watching a film with other fans." As you’ll hear in these conversations (and you’ve felt if you’ve danced while he’s DJ-ing or been in the audience while he unpacks a favorite album) his enthusiasm is palpable. In this we not only talk about the origin of The Record Club but also expanding it in the future while maintaining the intimate vision he had for it early on. In part 1 we talk about wormholes and research, being undervalued in education, making money doing many different things (being a jack-of-all-trades) which can mean that things take longer. And in part 2 we get into how his musical taste has developed, having confidence in taste, allowing taste to change, and he takes questions for friends. Let us know if you listen. Show Notes: - Follow Free @yeafree + The Record Club @therecord.club - LA Times article on The Record Club - Find me on IG: @letitouttt + @katiedalebout | Substack - 2 spots left in the Creative Clinic: book a call with me here - More on Creative Underdogs/In Process here | waitlist - Check out the Let It Out Kits | Write Kit | Talk Kit Waitlist - Jésabel's Inbox Organization course: code LETITOUT for 20% off If you liked this episode, try out from the archive: Episode 424 - Perfection Bubbles Burst: Musician Sam Burton on Collaboration, Tarot, Criticism & More

This week, a conversation with iconic designer Norma Kamali. Recorded over Zoom from her office in Manhattan, we cover her 50-year career, from graduating from FIT with a degree in illustration to working for Northwest Airlines—which allowed her to fly to London on the weekends for only $29. It felt like a time capsule to hear her talk about the cultural revolution in London in the 1960s and how she would bring back pieces for friends, which led her to start a store, and eventually design her own pieces. Soon her designs were worn by Bianca Jagger, Bette Midler, and Cher. But at 29 Norma left her marriage, which meant walking away from the brand she’d quietly built with only $98 in her pocket. But starting over ultimately led her to create a brand with longevity and panache. From her unique sleeping bag coat design (worn by the doormen at Studio 54 and by those standing outside hoping it would increase their chances of getting in) to the now-iconic red swimsuit Farrah Fawcett wore on that famous poster, Norma has dressed generations. She’s full of wisdom and perspective and gently gives me advice on everything from aging, to dating (she fell in love again ten years ago at 65), to how she views busyness—she says “the more you do, the more you can do.” We get into her thoughts on her industry’s evolution and on upcoming generations. I hope I did her career and story justice in this conversation with a real icon. Show notes: - Find Norma on the Web | Instagram - Find me on IG: @letitouttt + @katiedalebout | Substack - 2 spots left in the Creative Clinic: book a call with me here - More on Creative Underdogs/In Process here | waitlist - Check out the Let It Out Kits | Write Kit | Talk Kit Waitlist - Kayleen Schaefer's episode - Kayleen's book, Text Me When You Get Home - Take the "We Don't Talk Anymore" survey on friend breakups - Learn more about my creative consulting & if you'd like to book a free session, book here! - Learn more about "Soft Stories"

This week’s guest, Jacqueline Suskin, is a poet, educator, and the author of eight books, with work featured in publications including the New York Times, the Atlantic, and the Los Angeles Times. Her newest book, A Year in Practice, is a practical guide for using the natural seasons to inform creative rhythms, and how our rhythms are drawn from those of the earth. She now lives in Detroit where she works as a teaching artist with InsideOut Literary Arts, bringing nature poetry into classrooms with her Poem Forest curriculum. She spent many years living in Los Angeles where she began an ongoing project called Poem Store where she composed over forty thousand improvisational poems. In this conversation, we spoke about her transition from living in a place with very slight seasonal difference to a climate where the seasons are clear; how she protects her creative practice by experimenting with what works for her and developing deep discipline to maintain it; the power of saying no; hinging on the brink of success; committing to finding sources of energy that feel consistent and fulfilling, rather than draining; the intensity of spring; seasonal transitions and more. She even reads a poem. Show Notes: - Find Jacqueline on the Web | Instagram | A Year In Practice - Find me on IG: @letitouttt + @katiedalebout | Substack - 2 spots left in the Creative Clinic: book a call with me here - More on Creative Underdogs/In Process here | waitlist - Check out the Let It Out Kits | Write Kit | Talk Kit Waitlist - Inbox Organization course: code LETITOUT for 20% off If you liked this episode, try out from the archive: Episode 333: Taking up space, acceptance, mindfulness in motherhood & catching ideas with Mari Orkenyi

This week I spoke with decluttering expert and author Tracy McCubbin on why filling our homes with stuff makes us feel empty, aging and how she both got married and started her business later in life, and why connection and being helpful to others prevents clutter. Tracy came to my apartment and in this you'll hear her help figure out what's been preventing me from making some necessary changes and how you can make them too. Let us know if you listen. Show Notes: - Find Tracy on the Web | Instagram | Books - All of our self-study workshops: Let It Out Kits - Inbox Organization course: code LETITOUT for 20% off - Our Substack - My Creative Clinic: book a call with me here - TALK KIT waitlist - Creative Underdogs/In Process here | waitlist - IG: @letitouttt + @katiedalebout If you liked this episode, try out from the archive: Episode 425: Mindful Space Design: Anjie Cho Returns

In honor of Valentine’s Day it’s an episode about romantic love… just kidding it’s about breakups! It's part variety show from 2019 where I compiled all of the times (up until then) I spoke with guests on how heartbreak, grief, and sadness can lead to growth. I play some of my favorite clips from my conversations with manifestation advisor and founder of To Be Magnetic, Lacy Phillips, herbalist and founder of Supernatural, Rachelle Robinett, writer and designer Robyn Kanner, author Sara Avant Stover, dancer and writer Cody Cook-Parrott, illustrator and author Mari Andrew, artist Jon Marro, writer Jessica Ciencin Henriquez, musician Yoke Lore, director Kristin Hanggi ... it sounds like a bummer of an episode but it was actually quite optimistic, full of wisdom, and even at times funny. Then I react to hearing their advice 5 years later, talk about if I took it and what has happened since… Let me know if you listen : ) Show Notes: - Breakups Kits - Inbox Organization course: code LETITOUT for 20% off - Our Substack - My Creative Clinic: book a call with me here - TALK KIT waitlist - Creative Underdogs/In Process here | waitlist - IG: @letitouttt + @katiedalebout Full episodes of guests in this episode: Rachelle RobinettRobyn KannerSara Avant StoverCody Cook-ParrottMari AndrewJon MarroJessica Ciencin HenriquezLacy Phillips Valentines day episodeYoke LoreKristin Hanggi and Maddie Korman

This week, my friend James McCrae is back on the podcast. James is an author, poet, artist, and founder of Sunflower Club, a global school and community dedicated to conscious creativity. He's the author of several books, his newest being The Art of You, which we talk about extensively here. Something I love about the book is the fascinating facts, anecdotes, and stories about James' life and the accumulated knowledge of different authors, musicians, filmmakers, spiritual teachers, and artists of all disciplines, from the Rolling Stones to Alan Ginsberg. Our conversation covers haikus, mistakes being portals, the id vs. ego, the role of criticism in pushing art forward, boundaries attracting people you love, and much more. Let us know if you listen! Show notes: - Inbox Organization course: code LETITOUT for 20% off - Our Substack - James: Web | Instagram | new book The Art of You - My Creative Clinic: book a call with me here - TALK KIT waitlist - Creative Underdogs/In Process here | waitlist - IG: @letitouttt + @katiedalebout - James' other books here & here If you liked this episode, try out from the archive: Episode 421: Sorry for the Delayed Response: Digital Organizer Jésabel DC on Overwhelm, Sensitive Time & Prioritization

This week's episode is Part 2 of my conversation with filmmaker and ceramicist Madelynn De La Rosa. It’s been 3 years since she came over to record last and this conversation centered around all she learned in the last year. Recorded just before the holidays, she talks about how some of the biggest changes she’s made in her life have begun as New Year’s resolutions. In this second half, we talk about: how internal work can lead to external life changes, fear of being ordinary, her film recs, q&a from listeners, and more. If you missed Part 1, we discussed shadow work, learning to be gentler on yourself, gene keys, Abraham Hicks, spiritual principles that have helped us, and learning to not be too dogmatic about any of it. Let us know if you listen! Show notes: - Listen to Part 1 with Maddie here - A couple spots left in my one-on-one Creative Clinic: book a free half-hour session with me here to see if it's a good fit - The TALK KIT is coming soon: sign up for the waitlist - My annual New Years journaling workshop & all of the Let It Out Kits - Learn more about Creative Underdogs/In Process here | sign up for the waitlist - Find Madelynn on the Web | Instagram | YouTube | Substack - Films mentioned: Tales of HoffmanThe Red Shoes- Subscribe to our Substack to get show notes + essays, etc. sent to your inbox - Instagram me: @letitouttt or I'm @katiedalebout If you liked this episode, try out from the archive: Episode 325: Intentionality, Beauty, Film, and Change with Madelynn De La Rosa

This week filmmaker and ceramicist Madelynn De La Rosa returns! It’s been 3 years since she came over to record last and this conversation centered around all she learned in the last year. Recorded just before the holidays, she talks about how some of the biggest changes she’s made in her life have begun as New Year’s resolutions. I’m breaking this into two parts: in this one we talk about shadow work, learning to be gentler on yourself, gene keys, Abraham Hicks, spiritual principles that have helped us, and learning to not be too dogmatic about any of it. Next week: how internal work can lead to external life changes, fear of being ordinary, her film recs and more. Let us know if you listen. Show notes: - A couple spots left in my one-on-one Creative Clinic: book a free half-hour session with me here to see if it's a good fit - My annual New Years journaling workshop & all of the Let It Out Kits - Find Madelynn on the Web | Instagram | YouTube | Substack - Films mentioned: Tales of HoffmanThe Red Shoes- Subscribe to our Substack to get show notes + essays, etc. sent to your inbox - Instagram me: @letitouttt or I'm @katiedalebout If you liked this episode, try out from the archive: Episode 325: Intentionality, Beauty, Film, and Change with Madelynn De La Rosa

’Tis the season for a repeat episode. I chose this interview with musician Andrew Bird from the archive because he always reminds me of the holidays. Before I play my 2019 conversation with Bird, I speak about how an episode he recorded in 2020 with Maron impacted me, including his perspective on ‘molting’. Despite the discomfort I felt revisiting something recorded nearly 4 years ago and judging my past self, what Bird shared with me in our conversation feels as relevant today as it did then. We covered the slow growth he experienced coming up as a musician, discipline in building his career, and how his strict classical violin training required strict adherence to rules—rules he ended up breaking to create his own signature style. He’s extremely prolific: since this interview was released, he's put out 4 additional albums, including his HARK! which I talk about in the introduction. In this interview, we focused on My Finest Work Yet, which had just come out. Like all his albums, it’s filled with smart lyrics and mythology (which we talk about in this episode) as well as fresh melodies and probing themes. Recorded in a crowded room at a music festival, the sound is different than usual. And you might notice some odd jumps from topic to topic as we made the best of the audio we had. You’ll hear us jump around from how he writes songs, to how he met his wife, how he spends his mornings, parents his son, and of course, how he began incorporating whistling. Happy Holidays! Show Notes: - A couple spots left in my one-on-one Creative Clinic: book a free half-hour session with me here to see if it's a good fit - Find Andrew on the Web | Instagram | Spotify - Andrew's 2020 Christmas album, HARK! - Andrew's episode on Marc Maron's podcast - My Finest Work Yet & the song "Sisyphus" - Andrew's interview on Sam Jones' podcast - Great Expectations by Charles Dickens - The Adventures of Augie March by Saul Bellow - Lester Young - 2023 Holiday Workshops & all the Let It Out Kits - The TALK KIT is coming soon: sign up for the waitlist - Subscribe to our Substack to get show notes + essays, etc. sent to your inbox - This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp: visit betterhelp.com/letitout to get 10% off your first month of online therapy If you liked this episode, try out from the archive: - Episode 424 with Sam Burton - Episode 418 with Cale Tyson

This episode is part of my interview as a guest on Liz Tran's podcast, Reset. Liz is an author, executive coach, and founder of Reset NYC. In addition to her fifteen years of tech and VC experience, Liz also coaches from her spiritual practice. She is a Buddhist and a trained meditation teacher. Her latest book, The Karma of Success, came out in July. I interviewed her around then where we spoke about the difference between self-esteem and self-worth, how to be assertive without being rude, how she works with founders, and more. In this episode, Liz not only interviews me but gives me a coaching session on air. Among other things, we speak about the role of emotion in decision making, regret, feeling behind, moves and other transitions, whether everything happens for a reason, and the pressure to "keep up with the Jonses". Show Notes: - A couple spots left in my one-on-one Creative Clinic: book a free half-hour session with me here to see if it's a good fit - The TALK KIT is coming soon: sign up for the waitlist - Read my Laundromat Love Letter on Let It Out's Substack - Episode 339 with Eva, Laura & Maria - Find Liz on the Web | Instagram | Podcast - Order Liz's book, The Karma of Success - Instagram me: @letitouttt or I'm @katiedalebout If you liked this episode, try out from the archive: Episode 413: Karma Success with Liz Tran, Founder of Reset NYC

This week, I talk to my good friend of nearly a decade, author Katie Horwitch. We reminisce about our years of friendship, both moving to New York, and the evolving nature of relationships with distance. Our conversation also delves into the celebration of her new book and exploring her writing process. With a background in theater, Katie has long been an advocate for helping women shift negative self-talk patterns, a theme central to her book. She emphasizes the importance of beginning with the "self" rather than the "talk" when trying to shift negative internal dialog. In this episode, we explore why developing a stronger sense of self is the initial step to shifting negative self-talk. Additionally, we touch on Katie's insights into loneliness, belonging, casual negativity, prioritization, coping with overwhelm, distilling a project down to a concise thesis, and energy management. Let us know if you listen! Show Notes: - Find Katie on the Web | Instagram | WANT: Women Against Negative Talk - Katie's book, Want Your Self - This episode is sponsored by The Narrative Method: sign up for a free writing or conversation Salon below: Sunday morning writeTuesday night writeStorylines Poetry Saloncalendar- Subscribe to our newsletter to get show notes + essays, etc. sent to your inbox - I have a couple spots left in the Creative Clinic: book a free half-hour session with me here to see if it's a good fit - Check out the Let It Out Kits: self-study workshops for personal growth | sign up for the Talk Kit waitlist - Follow @letitouttt on Instagram. I'm @katiedalebout If you liked this episode, try out from the archive: Episode 180: Phoebe Lapine on The Wellness Project, Health vs. Hedonism, Hashimoto's Thyroiditis, Only Childisms, Cooking + More!

In this episode, I speak with Shari Foos, a marriage and family therapist and the visionary founder of The Narrative Method. We delve into the power of human connection, discussing concepts like the "cult of culture," the transformative impact of uninterrupted sharing, and the art of hosting salons. Shari shares her wisdom on managing overgiving, navigating friendships, and sustaining romantic relationships. We explore the nuances of self-work and its profound influence on our connections with others, what makes a genuine apology, feeling misunderstood, and effective communication techniques. Join us as Shari reflects on her bold move to LA at 20, her experiences in acting and the music industry, returning to school to become a therapist, and relocating to NYC where she began her practice. Plus, we unravel the intricacies of neurodiversity and the challenges of managing intrusive thoughts, creativity, and the art of genuine human interaction. Show Notes: - Check out The Narrative Method: sign up for a free writing or conversation Salon with Shari below: Sunday morning writeTuesday night writeWednesday conversation saloncalendar- My book, Let It Out: A Journey Through Journaling - Read about "soft stories" here - Subscribe to our newsletter to get show notes + essays, etc. sent to your inbox - A few spots open in the Creative Clinic: more info here or email me (katie@letitouttt.com) - Check out the Let It Out Kits: self-study workshops for personal growth | sign up for the Talk Kit waitlist - Follow @letitouttt on Instagram. I'm @katiedalebout

This week I spoke with Zachary Hourihane, a journalist living in Singapore. After going to school in New York, he returned to Singapore and began his career working in journalism there. He now works in corporate advertising while simultaneously being a prolific pop culture creator. He delivers heavily researched video essays and his thoughtful perspective on pop culture on his channel Swiftologist. He has videos on everything from Lana Del Rey to Lorde to tk. Tk tk and he’s most known for chronicling the life and times of his favorite pop icon, Taylor Swift. He’s been part of the fandom for over a decade and for the last four years, he’s co-hosted the podcast The Evolution of a Snake where he and his co-host, Madeline Rubicam (writer of the Lizard Review), go through year by year and break down the catalog and career of Taylor Swift. We cover the Beatles-esque mania of Taylor Swift and Zack’s take on where it’s going from here, as well as how he got into the fandom, the early Tumblr days, connecting with his co-host Madeline, how he got into American pop culture, selective vulnerability and self-mythologizing, and his process for making video essays and keeping up with the pace of media while working full time, including how he takes care of himself amidst the busyness. We recorded this on zoom a few months ago; it was late at night for him in Singapore and early in the morning for me. Let us know if you listen. Show Notes: - Find Zachary on Instagram | YouTube | Podcast - This episode is sponsored by The Narrative Method: sign up for a free writing or conversation Salon below: Sunday morning writeTuesday night writeWednesday conversation saloncalendar- Subscribe to our newsletter to get show notes + essays, etc. sent to your inbox - A few spots open in the Creative Clinic: more info here or email me (katie@letitouttt.com) - Check out the Let It Out Kits: self-study workshops for personal growth | sign up for the Talk Kit waitlist - Follow @letitouttt on Instagram. I'm @katiedalebout If you liked this episode, try out from the archive: Episode 383: The 1 a.m. Conversation: New York Times Columnist Kyle Buchanan on Writing, Togetherness, Mad Max & More

This week is not an interview, instead it’s two clips from the second show I co-host with Serena Wolf, called Spiraling. It's our fifth season and this season is a little bit in the "messy middle," which I'll explain in the first clip from episode two. In it Serena and I talk about how stress and being “in process” affect anxiety, feeling stagnant, worrying about being behind, and how perspective is the ultimate reframe. It’s a toast to your next existential crisis… Then I play a clip from an unreleased episode where we discuss how we’ve been learning that taking breaks actually improves our productivity, while also touching on the surprising difficulty of committing to rest. Let us know if you listen! Show Notes: - Listen to Spiraling on Apple Podcasts | Spotify - Find Serena on the Web | Instagram - This episode is sponsored by The Narrative Method: sign up for a free writing or conversation Salon below: Sunday morning writeTuesday night writeWednesday conversation saloncalendar- Subscribe to our newsletter to get show notes + essays, etc. sent to your inbox - A few spots open in the Creative Clinic: more info here or email me (katie@letitouttt.com) - Check out the Let It Out Kits: self-study workshops for personal growth | sign up for the Talk Kit waitlist - Follow @letitouttt on Instagram. I'm @katiedalebout If you liked this episode, try out from the archive: Episode 411: We're Spiraling: Money Shame, Comparison, Marriage, Kids & Different Timelines

This week Cale Tyson returns. He’s a musician originally from Texas, now living in LA. He walked over the other day and we caught up about what’s happened since he was here last including his upcoming pop country album. We talk about his music trajectory from playing in emo bands in high school to beginning a music career in Nashville to touring as a classic country artist and now, making the shift to pop country. We also delve into our feelings around aging and entering what Richard Rohr calls, "the second half of life," bouncing between projects, attachment styles, dating, and learning to not take anything too seriously—especially yourself. Show Notes: - Find Cale on the Web | Instagram | Spotify | Book - Maddie's newsletter: Wait, Have You Read This? The specific Issue I read from: 06: Nice Guys - Listen to Cale's music and follow him on Spotify to find his new singles - This episode is sponsored by The Narrative Method: sign up for a free writing or conversation Salon below: Sunday morning writeTuesday night writeWednesday conversation saloncalendar- Subscribe to our newsletter to get show notes + essays, etc. sent to your inbox - A few spots open in the Creative Clinic: more info here or email me (katie@letitouttt.com) - Check out the Let It Out Kits: self-study workshops for personal growth | sign up for the Talk Kit waitlist - Follow @letitouttt on Instagram. I'm @katiedalebout If you liked this episode, try out from the archive: Episode 418: Cale remembers his thoughts: musician Cale Tyson on rehab, recovery & our neighborhood feeling like high school...

In this week's episode, I spoke to my good friend Melina Peterson about the hidden effort behind appearing effortless, human design, astrology, leaving a full-time job after navigating the corporate matrix, burnout, and more. Melina started her own digital marketing agency called Cornerlight Digital and recently made the challenging decision to pause it to take a sabbatical. We recorded this while she was in the midst of her career pause, so she shared what’s been coming up for her, including: exploring synchronicities, reconnecting with her inner child, and reevaluating her values post-pandemic. She still lives in NYC but recently visited LA, so we recorded this in person at my kitchen table while she was in town. Let us know if you listened. Show Notes: - Katie has a few spots in her Creative Clinic this fall! Book a free call here to see if it's a fit! - Find Melina on Instagram | LinkedIn - Check out Cornerlight Digital, Melina's digital marketing agency & see the post about her sabbatical on IG here. - Follow 5th Floor Walk-Up, Melina's home decor blog - This episode is sponsored by The Narrative Method: sign up for a free writing or conversation Salon below: Sunday morning writeTuesday night writeWednesday conversation saloncalendar - Sign up for the Talk Kit waitlist - All of our kits, including the Podcast Kit & Interview Kit - Instagram me: @letitouttt or I'm @katiedalebout If you liked this episode, try out from the archive: Episode 372: Becoming Sturdy & Expansive with Jules Bakshi, Founder & CEO of GOOD MOVE

This is just a preview of Even the Royals.... Admit it: you’re obsessed with royal families – watching them, gossiping about them, wanting to be them. It’s the stuff of fantasy. But for real life royals, the crown jewels can be more like shiny handcuffs. There are expectations and rules – and if you break them, the consequences are big, and very public. And no, we’re not just talking about Harry and Meghan. There are royal families and wild royal tales from around the world and throughout history that you have never heard before. From Wondery comes the latest from Even the Rich co-hosts Brooke Siffrinn and Aricia Skidmore-Williams, Even the Royals. They’ll take you inside the cloistered world of royal families, past and present, where wealth and status often come at the expense of your freedom – and maybe even your life. This is just a preview of Even the Royals. You can listen to the full episode exclusively on Wondery+. https://wondery.app.link/ETR_LIO

This week I spoke with iconic musician Moby, who has recently ventured into podcasting with "MOBY POD" alongside sustainability expert Lindsay Hicks. I met them both for the first time when I went to Moby’s house to record this a few months ago. We talked for hours about everything from the sunk cost fallacy to attachment and aversion. He’s candid about getting sober and his experience with fame and how that has impacted his perspective. A thread that runs through this conversation is perspective, nostalgia, and storytelling as well as attachment, connection, and self-awareness. Let us know if you listened. Show Notes: - This episode is sponsored by The Narrative Method: sign up for a free writing or conversation Salon below: Sunday morning writeTuesday night writeWednesday conversation saloncalendar- Sign up for the Talk Kit waitlist - All of our kits, including the Podcast Kit & Interview Kit - Find Moby on the Web | Instagram| Podcast - Find Lindsay on Instagram - Books recommended: AttachedA General Theory of LovePorcelain- Our newsletter to get show notes + more - Instagram me: @letitouttt or I'm @katiedalebout If you liked this episode, try out from the archive: Episode 418: Cale remembers his thoughts: musician Cale Tyson on rehab, recovery & our neighborhood feeling like high school...