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A Thing or Two with Claire and Erica

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Hosts Claire Mazur and Erica Cerulo, who you might know as the co-founders of the website Of a Kind (RIP!) or the co-authors of the book Work Wife, are all about discovery and enthusiasm. We've heard this weekly podcast described as a 'unique mix of urgent discussions of non-urgent things and thoughtful discussions of important, and often otherwise ignored, things,' and we're very much on board with that take.

Hosts Claire Mazur and Erica Cerulo, who you might know as the co-founders of the website Of a Kind (RIP!) or the co-authors of the book Work Wife, are all about discovery and enthusiasm. We've heard this weekly podcast described as a 'unique mix of urgent discussions of non-urgent things and thoughtful discussions of important, and often otherwise ignored, things,' and we're very much on board with that take.


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Hosts Claire Mazur and Erica Cerulo, who you might know as the co-founders of the website Of a Kind (RIP!) or the co-authors of the book Work Wife, are all about discovery and enthusiasm. We've heard this weekly podcast described as a 'unique mix of urgent discussions of non-urgent things and thoughtful discussions of important, and often otherwise ignored, things,' and we're very much on board with that take.






Questioning Ambition

What is ambition anyway? And ambition toward what? Join us as we contemplate—and, frankly, give side-eye to—one of the driving forces of our lives. The linkage: WOW, Maris Kreisman’s “Where Did My Ambition Go?” essay. (It’s probably worth following Maris on Twitter too, while you’re at it.) Tavi Gevinson on shutting down Rookie, and Grace Bonney on shutting down Design*Sponge. The profiles of The Chicks and Viola Davis that resonated. We want more from you! Get in touch at...


That Quar Fitness Routine and the Magic of Shea Butter with Naa-Sakle Akuete

However many months in, we’ve found our fitnessing-at-home rhythms (which, no, do not involve dance cardio). Also! We’ve landed on a way to keep our very clean hands moisturized: shea butter, specifically the stuff from Eu’Genia Shea, and we clearly needed to talk to the company’s founder Naa-Sakle Akuete for the inside scoop. The linkage: Have thoughts? We want your DMs and VMs! Get us at @athingortwohq or 833-632-5463. Online fitness stuff we’re now in long-term relationships...


The Baby-Sitters Club and Dating in This Particularly Insane Time with Lindsey Metselaar

As two married gals getting older by the day, this ep feels like a real throwback. We’re talking babysitting and dating—the latter with Lindsey Metselaar, the savvy host of the We Met at Acme podcast who knows much more about the topic than we do at this point. Something we’re obviously NOT talking about: inviting the person you’re dating to the house you’re babysitting at without permission. The linkage: Do you know about our Secret Menu? It’s our new thingy where, for $4 a month, you...


Powdered SPF, Single-Blade Razors, and the Tyranny of Gas Stoves

Oh, it’s just us, with a little to say about a whole lot of things! There’s some playlisting, some cookbooking, some sunblocking, some angsting—you’ll see when you dive in. The linkage: We have a new thing! It’s called Secret Menu, and, for $4 a month, you get access to a very special members-only newsletter. Yes, intriguing. Powdered SPF! We’re all about it, especially for babies, scalps, and pandemic scenarios when you definitely don’t want to be touching your face in public. ...


Going Big on Big Friendship with Aminatou Sow and Ann Friedman

Um, aspirational friendship alert!! We’re bringing you THE Ann Friedman and Aminatou Sow, hosts of the podcast Call Your Girlfriend, brilliant minds behind Shine Theory, and authors of the book Big Friendship that all of your pals are going to be talking about on the group text. They’ve gotten practice writing—and talking—about the hard things in their relationship and working through conflict and, in doing so, are downright inspirational. But what’s new? The linkage: Big Friendship!...


House Shoes and Our Favorite Contemporary Novels by Black Authors

Slip on your comfiest shoes (ideally the ones that don’t go outdoors?) and get ready to curl up with a good book—or, rather, our enthusiastic endorsements of 26 novels by Black authors. YA and romance included, duh. The linkage: If you want more from us on Instagram, head to @athingortwohq. If you want to give us a ring, dial up 833-632-5463. Some (Birkenstock-y) house-shoe picks: Arizona Essentials EVA, Boston Essentials EVA, and Boston Suede with Shearling. NOVELS BY BLACK...


The Women Behind Omsom, Our New Kitchen Go-To, and Rethinking Instagram

What’s up over here? We’re still giving too much headspace to Instagram...but our perspectives are shifting. And we’re also eating some of our very best meals of quar, thanks to Vanessa and Kim Pham, the sisters behind Omsom and its outrageously good Vietnamese, Thai, and Filipino sauces. Dig in? The linkage: Andrea Whittle wrote about whether the protests will change IG for W mag. Whoa, did this @_nanders post get the wheels turning about the WHY of sharing content that’s getting...


Pledging to Shop Better

The two of us are calling our reps, donating money, consuming so much news, researching our primary candidates...and also rethinking where we spend our money and the businesses that warrant our support. We have SO MANY THOUGHTS. Also: We’re giving a free ad spot a week to a Black-owned business. If you’re interested, drop us a line at podcast@claireanderica.com! The linkage: The Who? Weekly episode intro that really spoke to us. Check out the 15 Percent Pledge, which the Brother...


All Our Uncanny Valley Thoughts...And When You Need to Go to the Doctor

Have you all read Uncanny Valley? Because this episode is a long way of saying, “Wow, you really should.” We are bubbling over with thoughts about Silicon Valley, gender and tech, and Anna Wiener’s all-around exceptional writing. Oh, and we also have something to say about going to the doctor during these times, as people who’ve had to go on multiple occasions. The linkage: You got a dreamy VM you want to leave? 833-632-5463—come on. Two companies doing a good job thinking about...


How We’re Working Together Now and John Jannuzzi (Master of Creative Pursuits!)

You know who wrote the book on socks (and started one of the best Tumblrs and bakes internet-famous cookies)? John Jannuzzi, and he’s here to share his creative side-hustle tips (but not any of the burnt malted milk and Kit-Kat cookies—he’s keeping those for himself). Before we dive in, though, can we discuss long-distance collaboration between two people who live four blocks apart? Yes, we’re talking about us. Visit www.DailyHarvest.com and use code ATHINGORTWO for $25 off your first...


Precious Condiments and Non-Zoom Ways to Be a Pal

We’re getting saucy—even more so than usual?—and dipping into the spreads, schmears, and drizzles we’re treating as essential supplements to our souls as well as our fridge-clearing batches of fried rice. Also! We’re coming at you with a bunch o’ thoughts on how to practice ~friendship~ right now, whether you prefer a postcard or a week-long game. The linkage: Condiment for us (and for you): Chinkiang vinegar, seasoned rice vinegar, mirin, Fly by Jing sichuan chili crisp, Marmite,...


Seeking Comfort in Mugs, Mugs, Mugs, and Surprisingly Good Home Manicures

What does it say about us that we’re taking a great deal of pleasure in having a mug of something warm as a near-constant companion? You be the judge! Also for your consideration: a nail-painting tool, a line of chic retro dinnerware, a milk-frother, and an oddly satisfying timer to help get at least a couple to-dos checked off. The linkage: Oh, hey: Take our survey! We’ve been getting such good VMs, including the one at the end of this ep. If you want to join the fun:...


The IGs We’re Following, the Tees We’re Wearing, and the Hashtags We’re Starting

This week in “it’s the small things” content, we’re sharing the Instagram accounts bringing us joy, the T-shirts we have possibly (definitely) too many thoughts about, and the campaign we’re launching to book our dream pod guest. Let’s make #qaiqaispromise happen, people! The linkage: Join the #qaiqaispromise movement. We’re counting on you (and, of course, Qai Qai). If you aren’t following these IGs, you’re in for a bunch of treats: @grossypelosi, @thetinychefshow, @laurentamaki,...


How We IG (And, You Know, Think About Social Media in General)

Apparently, we have a lot of pent-up thoughts about Instagram in need of an outlet, namely this episode of this podcast. Dive in for how we think about consuming and posting (in this time and in less insane ones), the features we want from the app, and, importantly, our differing takes on liking and commenting on celebs’ accounts. Visit DailyHarvest.com and enter promo code: ATHINGORTWO for $25 off your first box! The linkage: If you haven’t caught our IGTV stuffs, vids are over at...


Square-Toe Shoes, the Joy of Eating Two Meals a Day, and an Alex Update (!!!)

Things we’re rejecting (some days): three square meals. Things we’re embracing: square-toe shoes...and also special treats in pretty much any form. Including a long-distance update from our one-time pod producer Alex, the Roz to our Frasier. Visit www.causebox.com/athingortwo with code: ATHINGORTWO for 30% off your order! The linkage: 833-632-5463 for voicemails—we love ‘em. Are you listening to Who? Weekly? And their extra-special Patreon content? Get on that. Our dinnertime...


Marisa Meltzer’s Excellent Book This Is Big and, Somehow, Billy Idol

Geez, does Marisa Meltzer know how to get the wheels turning. We talk to her about her shiny new book This Is Big, which digs deep into dieting, wellness, feminism, body positivity, and the intersection of those topics—and also about friendship and snacks. Much to discuss, you see. But first! A truly odd (if entertaining) NYC campaign we didn’t want you to miss. The linkage: If you somehow want more on the Billy Never Idles campaign, well, here you go. Read Marisa’s book, This Is...


Trying to Make Webonair Happen and Another Round with Mickey Drexler

Here we are again, talking about stuff no one else is talking about (and we hope that’s a good thing?). Today, we’re digging into a surprisingly handy word and plenty o’ business insights from the bonafide retail legend Mickey Drexler, who’s lived through plenty of ups and downs. The linkage: Introducing a weirdly useful term: webonair. Have you listened to the podcast Bad on Paper? ‘Cause ya should. If you didn’t catch our first chat with Mickey Drexler, you can do that right...


The Newsletters We Always Open...and Perhaps Too Many Thoughts on Ironing

Reading newsletters and doing ironing—two indoor-kid activities no doubt! Ok, seriously, though, take care of yourselves, find some good distractions, and maybe try to get some fresh air? The linkage: Claire bought a full-size ironing board by Brabantia and highly endorses it, and Erica has this hook thingy to hang her ironing board on that she thinks is just great. The most ironing-enthusiastic person in our world—Claire’s mom—swears by the Miele Rotary Iron (a.k.a. a mangle) for...


Jason Polan’s Legacy as an Artist and an Incredibly Kind Human

There’s so much to think about right now, it seems, but we’re going to take this opportunity to focus on one truly magical person: Jason Polan, an artist we’ve been in awe of for at least a decade who passed away at 37 in January. In a word: heartbreaking—but also a push to embrace living as much as he did. As we reflect on his life, his work, and his approach to both, we wanted to resurface an interview we did with him back in 2017, and if it makes you feel compelled to draw something...


Nikki Ogunnaike’s Introduction to Menswear—and a Smart Little Decision-Making Trick

When Nikki Ogunnaike got a new job as GQ’s deputy fashion director, we were immediately all, “What’s it like?!” So we took this opportunity to ask her about making the move from women’s fashion to men’s...and where she gets the bags she couldn’t afford when she was starting out. Oh, and while we’re at it, we’re sharing a three-minute exercise another friend used to make a tough decision, too. The linkage: Voicemails: We love ‘em. You can get us at 833-632-5463. Our pal Eliza Bent,...