Don't You Lie To Me-logo

Don't You Lie To Me

Arts & Culture Podcasts >

A visual arts podcast with interviews of artists, curators, gallerists, and other arts professionals in North Carolina. Please checkout our website for images of our guests' work as well as links to their sites and more:

A visual arts podcast with interviews of artists, curators, gallerists, and other arts professionals in North Carolina. Please checkout our website for images of our guests' work as well as links to their sites and more:
More Information


United States


A visual arts podcast with interviews of artists, curators, gallerists, and other arts professionals in North Carolina. Please checkout our website for images of our guests' work as well as links to their sites and more:








Episode 16 - Brian Howe

Hey everybody! We had a great, in-depth conversation with Brian Howe, the Managing Arts and Culture Editor at Indy Week, as well as an accomplished poet. Brian discusses his thoughts on the current landscape of the arts in the Triangle; how he approaches writing about art; the decision process behind selecting which events get published. We also talk about his own art of combining poetry, sound, and performance. If you want to hear a great, behind-the-scenes take on art journalism, this...


Episode 15 - Jessica Ruhle

Hello, Sweet Spirits! Ready for another peek inside the underbelly of the museum world? This is your lucky day! Jeff has a fascinating conversation with Jessica Ruhle, the Director of Education and Public Programs at the Nasher Museum of Art at Duke University, where she founded “Reflections,” a program for visitors with dementia and their care givers. Ruhle is a graduate of Davidson College with a masters from George Washington University. She also kicks butt in roller derby. You don't want...


Episode 14 - Lien Truong

Hello, Sweet Spirits! You're in for a treat! Jeff has a great conversation with Chapel Hill artist and UNC Chapel Hill professor, Lien Truong. She's as great a person as she is a painter and she's one hell of a painter! Don't miss your chance to find out more about this NC Fellowship Award-winning artist who has a new painting on view at the North Carolina Museum of art as well as several solo shows coming up! You don't want to miss this episode!


Episode 13 - Bill Thelen

We kickoff Season 2 with a big bang. Jeff talks and laughs with artist, curator, and arts educator, Bill Thelen. Bill also founded LUMP Gallery in Raleigh, NC. If that isn't enticing enough, Lizzie McNairy pays a visit to the studio to talk about her new initiative at the NC Museum of Art called Matrons of the Arts. Don't know what that is? Listen, laugh, and learn!


Episode 12 - Susan Harbage Page

Whoa! Stop what you're doing and listen to this episode! Jeff talks with the amazing conceptual artist and arts educator Susan Harbage Page. This one is a doozy! Susan is a multi-disciplinary artist exploring immigration, race, gender, and nation, utilizing photography, drawing, painting, video, performance, textiles, and found objects as her media. She’s also a stellar human being that plays a mean saxophone! Susan’s work has been exhibited across the globe and has been collected by major...


Episode 11 - Artcast Live from NCMA

This episode is a LIVE recording from the North Carolina Museum of Art. Jeff Bell and Jennifer Dasal (host of the ArtCurious podcast) interview 4 artists participating in the NCMA's Monster Drawing Rally - for more information on the MDR and the artists interviewed, visit The artists interviewed include Candy Carver, Kiki Farish, Damian Stamer, and Saba Taj. The content is fascinating, but since it's a live recording, the sound gets funky in sections. Enjoy!


Episode 10 - Harrison Haynes

Hello sweet spirits. In episode 10, Jeff talks with artist, musician, and arts educator, Harrison Haynes! Just because we say this is a good one, doesn't mean we think the others suck. (Spoiler: they don't!) Harrison talks about his days as a touring drummer, studying art at RISD, opening an art gallery, and all phases of his art career. Enjoy!


Episode 9 - A Day at the Museum

Whoa! In this episode, we give you a behind-the-scenes tour of how art ends up in museum collections and what's involved in getting it on the gallery walls. Jeff talks with Jennifer Dasal, the NC Museum of Art's associate curator of contemporary art and the creator and host of the Art Curious podcast. But wait, there's more! Jeff also quizzes Brad Johnson, the exhibition designer at the Nasher Museum of Art at Duke University in Durham, NC. Feeling greedy? OK. Beverly McIver makes a return...


Episode 8 - Warren Hicks

Hello, sweet spirits! This new episode is action packed! My partner in this podcast endeavor, Warren Hicks, lets me ask him a bunch of questions. He tells us about his current show and he bravely talks about personal aspects of his life. I'm honored that he talked to me and that we're navigating DYLTM together. He has a tremendous show called e1ev1n installed at VAE Raleigh, which runs until April 8th. It’s a conceptual self-portrait told through iPhone screenshots. Make sure you check it...


Episode 7 - Rachel Herrick

Hello sweet spirits. Don't look now, but here comes trouble! The amazing Rachel Herrick spoke with us to discuss art, farm life, and VAE Raleigh's IGNITE Conference. You'll learn about her MOCS project and those physically hazardous prints she made for a show at LUMP Gallery in 2015. Watching and listening to her and Warren bicker with each other is one of the great joys of my life. If we ever think of something she isn't great at, we'll let you know. There's so much more to say about her,...


Episode 6 - Beverly McIver

Hello there! We’re back! In episode 6 we’re honored to talk with the incredible Beverly McIver. She is widely recognized for her skill in painting and her uncompromising dedication to exploring the personal. She is currently the Esbenshade Professor of the Practice of Art, Art History and Visual Studies at Duke University. Beverly’s latest exhibition opens at SECCA on January 17 and runs until February 12. She will be included in an exhibition at The American Academy of Arts and Letters this...


Episode 5 - Brandon Cordrey

If you don't know Brandon Cordrey then I feel sorry for you. He's a skilled painter and multi-media artist as well as a tireless arts administrator. In episode 5 we talk to Brandon about his work and what's going on at VAE Raleigh (where he's the new Executive Director). He recently had two great shows in Raleigh at Flanders Gallery and Block Gallery, both in 2016. We can't wait to see what's next!


Episode 4 - Stacey Kirby

In Episode 4 we are honored to speak with Durham-based performance artist and friend of the show, Stacey Kirby. Kirby just returned from ArtPrize Eight in Grand Rapids, Michigan, where she was awarded the Grand Jury Prize for her performative interactive work, The Bureau of Personal Belonging.


Episode 3 - Heather Gordon

In episode 3 we talk to Heather Gordon. I'm truly in awe of her work and the way she approaches making art. Hopefully you're already familiar with her work. As you'll hear, she is constantly expanding parameters and thought processes and frequently working in collaborations. All the while, her work remains lyrical and deeply personal.


Episode 2 - Carrie Alter

In our first full-length episode I interview the talented Carrie Alter. She's a terrific painter, drawer, photographer as well as an arts educator. We originally envisioned this as a test run – a chance to work out the kinks and learn the process. After our first listen, we knew that it would be a mistake to try to recreate the conversation. Enjoy! Checkout our website for more info:


Episode 1 - Intro - Sampler

Don’t You Lie To Me is a new podcast focusing on the visual arts in North Carolina. Created by Jeff Bell and Warren Hicks, the show bravely explores the personal and creative lives of artists and arts professionals in NC, through informal interviews conducted by Bell. Hicks and Bell are both visual artists and bring extensive museum experience to the show. The objective is to allow the audience (you and that other person) to learn more about the artwork displayed throughout our communities,...