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Join Jenny, Kloe and Liz as they explore historic houses across the world, their unique charms, and quirky challenges. Phedra whisks us away to a sun-soaked historic house museum in Cyprus, while Liz delves into the meticulous conservation efforts at Sir John Soane's Museum with Jane Wilkinson. Finally, Kloe has a chat with Helen Antrobus about what it’s like working in the National Trust. 00:00:28 What’s a historic house? 00:03:18 Are all of them posh? 00:07:03 Nature and heritage in harmony 00:09:30 Our favourites 00:16:30 Jenny feels like an alien 00:23:14 Mitigating damage 00:24:56 Houses still in use 00:31:12 Challenges and temptations 00:37:21 What era are we interpreting or preserving? 00:40:57 Pests and damp patches 00:44:28 Patreon shout out 00:45:00 Interview with Jane Wilkinson 00:56:00 Phedra’s visit to Lefkara 01:07:17 Interview with Helen Antrobus Show Notes: - National Trust: https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/ - NT annual report Jenny quoted: https://documents.nationaltrust.org.uk/story/annual-report-2023/page/1 - Historic Houses (UK): https://www.historichouses.org/ - Rembrandt House, Amsterdam: https://www.rembrandthuis.nl/en/ - Kettles Yard, Cambridge: https://www.kettlesyard.cam.ac.uk/history-of-kettles-yard/ - Pollok House, Glasgow: https://www.nts.org.uk/stories/pollok-house-major-refurbishment - FAI or the National Trust for Italy: https://fai-international.org/ - Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum: https://www.gardnermuseum.org/ - Gawthorpe Hall, Ightenhill: https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/visit/liverpool-lancashire/gawthorpe-hall - Chatsworth, Bakewell: https://www.chatsworth.org/ - Yin Yu Tang at Peabody Essex Museum: https://www.pem.org/yin-yu-tang-a-chinese-home - St Fagans National Museum of History in Wales: https://museum.wales/stfagans/ - Beamish, the Living Museum of the North, in England: https://www.beamish.org.uk/ - Museo Horne: https://www.museohorne.it/en/ - Holker Hall in Cumbria: https://www.holker.co.uk/ - West Dean College: https://www.westdean.ac.uk/ - Barnes foundation move in Philadelphia: https://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/14/arts/design/judge-rules-the-barnes-can-move-to-philadelphia.html - S10E04 Halloween special with haunted properties: https://thecword.show/2021/10/28/s10e04-halloween-special/ - Old World Wisconsin: https://oldworldwisconsin.wisconsinhistory.org/ - Sir John Soane's Museum: https://www.soane.org/ - The book mentioned by Liz: https://shop.soane.org/collections/books-and-maps/products/a-complete-description-of-sir-john-soanes-museum-24 - The Local Museum of Traditional Embroidery and Silversmith-work, Lefkara (for the virtual tour!): https://larnakaregion.com/directory/product/local-museum-traditional-embroidery-and-silversmith-work-lefkara - S10E02 Working with Curators: https://thecword.show/2021/09/29/s10e02-working-with-curators/ - Visiting the National Trust conservation studios: https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/search?type=place&query=conservation - Hidden Treasures of the National Trust on the BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001lttx Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword Hosted by Liz Hébert, Kloe Rumsey, and Jenny Mathiasson. Intro and outro music by DDmyzik, used under a Creative Commons Attribution license. Made available under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International license. A Wooden Dice production, 2024.

Liz and Phedra join forces with freelance paintings conservator Alexis Drapanas as they tackle an ECP special! Phedra also interviews conservator Kerith Koss Schrager and intern Adrienne Gendron about health and safety for emerging professionals. And don’t forget to tune in for a Dear Jane about getting into some more unusual specialisms! 00:00:45 Introducing our ECP hosts 00:08:02 Straight from university to private practice 00:09:15 What does ‘emerging’ mean to you? 00:16:01 Let’s talk money! 00:24:37 Paperwork in real life 00:29:22 Job searching across Europe 00:37:44 How to break down the door 00:45:45 Patreon teaser 00:46:00 Interview with Kerith Koss Schrager and Adrienne Gendron 01:00:57 Phedra’s recommended listening 01:03:19 Dear Jane Show Notes: - Alexis’ website: https://www.drapanas.com/ - Follow Phedra on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/phedrakom/ - Cardiff University: https://www.cardiff.ac.uk/study/undergraduate/courses/course/conservation-of-objects-in-museums-and-archaeology-bsc - Lorenzo de Medici Institute: https://ldminstitute.com/department/restoration/ - Follow Liz on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@lizhebertxcvi - Follow Liz on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lizhebertxcvi/ - Conversation Conservation on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/conversationconservation/ - AIC Health and Safety Wiki: https://www.conservation-wiki.com/wiki/Category:Health_%26_Safety - Health and safety beginner's guide: https://www.conservation-wiki.com/w/images/1/1d/H%26S_BeginnerGuide.pdf - Hazards in collections eTool: https://hazardsincollections.org.uk/ - 6 session C2C Course - Health and Safety in Collections Care: https://learning.culturalheritage.org/products/c2c-care-course-health-and-safety-in-collections-care Phedra’s recommended listening: - S01E05 Emerging Professionals: https://thecword.show/2017/04/26/s01e05-emerging-professionals/ - S02E04 Emerging Professionals 2: https://thecword.show/2017/10/04/s02e04-emerging-professionals-2/ - S13E02 Accreditation Part 1: https://thecword.show/2023/04/05/s13e02-accreditation-part-1/ - S12E06 Time Management: https://thecword.show/2022/11/23/s12e06-time-management/ - S12E01 Job Interviews: https://thecword.show/2022/09/14/s12e01-job-interviews/ - S11E04 Building a Business: https://thecword.show/2022/05/04/s11e04-building-a-business/ - S10E05 Aches and Pains: https://thecword.show/2021/11/10/s10e05-aches-and-pains/ - S05E05 Portfolio Extravaganza: https://thecword.show/2019/05/15/s05e05-portfolio-extravaganza/ - S04E02 Parenthood: https://thecword.show/2018/10/03/s04e02-parenthood/ Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword Hosted by Liz Hébert, Phedra Komodromou, and Alexis Drapanas. Intro and outro music by DDmyzik, used under a Creative Commons Attribution license. Made available under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International license. A Wooden Dice production, 2024.

Meet the dream team! It’s a crowded recording session today: Jenny and Kloe ask their new colleagues Liz, Phedra, and Solange about their new roles and their favourite objects, tools, and adhesives. What ARE a few of our favourite things? Also tune in for a review of ‘Conservation of Books’ from Solange! 00:02:16 Who’s Liz? 00:04:22 And who’s Phedra? 00:07:00 Aaand who’s Solange? 00:09:38 Experimentation ahead 00:14:10 Favourite Instagram accounts 00:17:08 Favourite objects 00:25:31 Least favourite objects! 00:34:02 Can you have a favourite pest…? 00:37:33 Favourite adhesive 00:53:38 Favourite tools 01:04:17 Review: Conservation of Books Show Notes: - Follow Liz on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@lizhebertxcvi - Follow Liz on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lizhebertxcvi/ - Liz’s website: https://readymag.website/u1771381592/4680039/ - The EC Podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/35cVChweygfrY8A7o4LLiw or https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ecpodcast/id1507272772 - Future Conservator Podcast: https://soundcloud.com/user-979095571 - Follow Phedra on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/phedrakom/ - Follow Solange on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/liber.conservation - Solange’s business: https://liberconservation.co.uk/ - You should definitely support us on Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/thecword - Squeaky Conservator on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@squeakyconserves - Our new Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/the_c_word_podcast - International Mount Makers Forum: https://www.instagram.com/internationalmountmakersforum/ - Classical Studies Memes for Hellenistic Teens: https://www.instagram.com/csmfht/ - Fun Conservators: https://www.instagram.com/fun_conservators/ - Reversible Zine: https://www.instagram.com/reversiblezine/ - The Lady Art Handler: https://www.instagram.com/theladyarthandler/ - Conservation in Focus: https://www.instagram.com/conservationinfocus/ - Bridget Mitchell: https://www.instagram.com/bridget.mitchell_/ - Ki Culture: https://www.kiculture.org/ - S10E05 Aches and Pains: https://thecword.show/2021/11/10/s10e05-aches-and-pains/ - CAC-ACCR Conference (Keeping it Real: Conservation in Practice): https://www.cac-accr.ca/our-conferences/ - Conservation of Books (edited by Abigail Bainbridge): https://www.routledge.com/Conservation-of-Books/Bainbridge/p/book/9780367754907 Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson, Kloe Rumsey, Solange Masher, Liz Hébert, and Phedra Komodromou. Intro and outro music by DDmyzik, used under a Creative Commons Attribution license. Made available under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International license. A Wooden Dice production, 2024.

In this special bonus episode we make a couple of overdue announcements, take you with us to an award ceremony in Cardiff, and profess our undying love for our listeners. Would you like to join us on The C Word team? Get in touch! 00:57 We’re having a break - and we’re recruiting! 07:31 We’ve got an award 09:21 Recording from The 30(ish) Awards 17:50 Dear Jane teaser 18:51 Patreon shout out Show Notes: - Recruitment page: https://thecword.show/recruitment/ - The 30(ish) Awards winners: https://www.cardiff.ac.uk/alumni/features/30ish-awards-2023 - Dear Jane cotton bud video: https://youtu.be/lZg8hNajdQg Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson and Kloe Rumsey. Intro and outro music by DDmyzik, used under a Creative Commons Attribution license. Made available under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International license. A Wooden Dice production, 2023.

In this one we talk to Professor Aviva Burnstock about what paintings can be and we chat with Polly Saltmarsh about communicating conservation and the joys of sticky toffee pudding sauce. Also tune in for a review of ‘On Canvas: Preserving the Structure of Paintings’ by Stephen Hackney from Kloe. 03:48 When is a painting a painting? 10:05 On the nature of painted surfaces 13:13 How students might approach a painting 16:20 A chat about varnish 27:39 The joy of microscopy 28:39 Gut feelings and forgeries 34:06 Interview with Polly Saltmarsh 48:03 Review: On Canvas 52:28 Patreon appeal Show Notes: - The Courtauld Institute of Art: https://courtauld.ac.uk/ - Art and Artifice fakes exhibition: https://courtauld.ac.uk/whats-on/art-and-artifice-fakes-from-the-collection/ - Fake or Fortune: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01mxxz6 - Polly’s website: https://www.paintingsconservation.co.uk/ - Reopening the National Portrait Gallery: https://www.npg.org.uk/blog/road-to-reopening - On Canvas: https://shop.getty.edu/products/on-canvas-preserving-the-structure-of-paintings-978-1606066263?variant=29175364157517 Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson, Kloe Rumsey, and Aviva Burnstock. Intro and outro music by DDmyzik, used under a Creative Commons Attribution license. Made available under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International license. A Wooden Dice production, 2023.

We’re joined by special guest host Cass Fino-Radin as we talk about time-based media: what it can be, what the challenges are, and what we can do to preserve it. From mechanical components to maintaining software, we geek out about everything that’s wonderful about this type of conservation. Also tune in for a review of poetry pamphlet ‘Accessioning’ by Charlotte Wetton. 00:21 A long-time spreadsheet idea 02:44 A potted history of time-based media (maybe) 05:41 Conservation of performance art 10:26 The wildest thing about time-based media 12:40 Cass’ origin story 22:36 Blurry objects and things going off 27:54 More suggestions for what time-based media is 30:55 Old vs new technology 36:56 What makes a good time-based media conservator? 40:03 Review: Accessioning 44:54 Patreon appeal Show Notes: - Art and Obsolescence podcast: https://www.artandobsolescence.com/ - Cass’ website: https://finoradin.info/ - Pip Laurenson: https://www.ucl.ac.uk/art-history/people/academic-staff/professor-pip-laurenson - Episode with Glenn Wharton: https://www.artandobsolescence.com/episodes/005-glenn-wharton - MoMA Media and Performance department: https://www.moma.org/about/curatorial-departments/media-performance - S05E03 Contemporary Art: https://thecword.show/2019/04/17/s05e03-contemporary-art/ - Episode with Annet Dekker: https://www.artandobsolescence.com/episodes/043-annet-dekker - Rhizome: https://rhizome.org/ - AIC 40th annual meeting in Albuquerque (2012): https://www.culturalheritage.org/docs/default-source/publications/periodicals/annual-meeting/2012-annual-meeting-abstracts.pdf?sfvrsn=1dbb1699_8 - Cass’ company Small Data Industries: https://smalldata.industries/ - Cooper Hewitt: https://www.cooperhewitt.org/ - S09E05 Dynamic Objects: https://thecword.show/2021/05/19/s09e05-dynamic-objects/ - S06E03 The One with the Arduino: https://thecword.show/2019/10/16/s06e03-the-one-with-the-arduino/ - S01E09 Museum Pi: https://thecword.show/2017/06/21/s01e09-museum-pi/ - Time-based media according to Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_and_restoration_of_time-based_media_art - Planetary app case study: https://www.cooperhewitt.org/2019/05/16/planetary-cooper-hewitts-first-ios-app/ - Accessioning poetry pamphlet: https://theemmapress.com/shop/poetry/pamphlets/accessioning/ Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson, Kloe Rumsey, and Cass Fino-Radin. Intro and outro music by DDmyzik, used under a Creative Commons Attribution license. Made available under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International license. A Wooden Dice production, 2023.

In this episode Jenny and Kloe address a correction before launching into a takeover special: join Kloe, Nerys Rudder and Jane Henderson as they go to the ‘Changing the World: Approach, Strategy and the Future of University Museums’ UMG conference and run around the newly refurbished Manchester Museum. 03:55 A correction from Jane 07:13 Other comments from listeners 12:19 Three conservators go to a conference 55:28 Patreon appeal Show Notes: - Manchester Museum: https://www.museum.manchester.ac.uk/ - UMG Spring Conference 2023: http://universitymuseumsgroup.org/events/save-the-date-manchester-2023/ - S13E02 Accreditation Part 1: https://thecword.show/2023/04/05/s13e02-accreditation-part-1/ Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson, Kloe Rumsey, Jane Henderson and Nerys Rudder. Intro and outro music by DDmyzik, used under a Creative Commons Attribution license. Made available under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International license. A Wooden Dice production, 2023.

Together with special co-host Alison Lister we explore the private sector: from our workspaces to how we learn on the job. Join us for a catch-up on Jenny’s adventures in business, along with Kloe’s commercial experience and Alison’s passionate call for us all to share more. Bridget Mitchell tells us about finding joy in your business and the power of positive thinking. Also tune in for an audio tour of Jenny’s workspace and a round-up of the Museums + Heritage Show in London. 00:00:42 Wait, are we talking business again? 00:05:16 The old museum vs business conundrum 00:09:27 The importance of Time 00:15:48 What does a conservation space look like? 00:18:42 Why we need to make a fuss 00:27:55 Private practice is people work 00:33:13 How could we be supported to share more? 00:35:18 Training and professional development 00:46:26 The future of private practice 00:49:49 Jenny’s round-up of the Museums + Heritage Show and Icon meet-up 00:55:18 Interview with Bridget Mitchell 01:04:43 Tour of Jenny’s workspace 01:12:07 Patreon appeal Show Notes: - S11E04 Building a Business: https://thecword.show/2022/05/04/s11e04-building-a-business/ - S02E03 Freelancing: https://thecword.show/2017/09/22/s02e03-freelancing/ - Alison’s company: https://textileconservation.co.uk/ - S09E08 Dyes in Conservation: https://thecword.show/2021/06/30/s09e08-dyes-in-conservation/ - Secrets of the National Trust: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secrets_of_the_National_Trust - Hidden Treasures of the National Trust (the one Jenny actually meant): https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/discover/film-tv/hidden-treasures-of-the-national-trust - Secrets of the Museum: https://www.vam.ac.uk/info/secrets-of-the-museum - The Repair Shop: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08l581p - Kickstart Scheme: https://www.kickstart-uk.com/ - S01E01 Demographics: https://thecword.show/2017/02/15/demographics/ - Museums + Heritage Show: https://show.museumsandheritage.com/ - Plowden winner Julie Dawson: https://www.icon.org.uk/resource/icon-emeritus-member-julie-dawson-wins-prestigious-plowden-medal-for-conservation.html - Marsh Charitable Trust awards: https://www.icon.org.uk/resource/winners-marsh-awards-for-conservation-2023.html - Follow Bridget on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/arcapreservation/ Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson, Kloe Rumsey, and Alison Lister. Intro and outro music by DDmyzik, used under a Creative Commons Attribution license. Made available under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International license. A Wooden Dice production, 2023.

We’re joined by special guest host Stella Toonen as we explore a topic with many synonyms: public programming, outreach, adult learning, and so many more! We get enthused about ideas for events that conservation can get in on, and talk about the many pitfalls – and benefits – of co-creation in museums. 01:06 What’s this episode about? 03:52 Stella’s outreach journey 05:50 Kloe’s experiences facilitating events 09:39 Jenny’s experiences working with the public 13:27 Growing audiences and different offers 19:40 Examples of events for grown-ups 25:44 Saddling an artist with the work of museums 28:53 Stella’s research around co-creation 35:09 Involve conservators early! 38:02 Inspo for learning events 46:03 Comments, questions, and corrections 53:49 Patreon appeal and shout out Show Notes: - Follow Stella here: https://twitter.com/StellaToonen - Stella’s website: https://stellatoonencom.wordpress.com/ - S11E03 Working with Learning: https://thecword.show/2022/04/20/s11e03-working-with-learning/ - Heritage Open Days: https://www.heritageopendays.org.uk/ - S05E06 Touchy Feely: https://thecword.show/2019/05/29/s05e06-touchy-feely/ - Ladder of Participation explained: https://organizingengagement.org/models/ladder-of-citizen-participation/ - Tania Bruguera at the Tate: https://www.tate.org.uk/art/artists/tania-bruguera-11982 - Tate: https://www.tate.org.uk/ - The Whitworth: https://www.whitworth.manchester.ac.uk/ - Queens Museum: https://queensmuseum.org/ - Awards, grants and scholarships mentioned for students: https://www.artsscholars.org/awards-grants-scholarships Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson, Kloe Rumsey, and Stella Toonen. Intro and outro music by DDmyzik, used under a Creative Commons Attribution license. Made available under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International license. A Wooden Dice production, 2023.

We’re joined by curator Karen Logan as we talk about working with collections that stir up emotions and recent memories: from The Troubles in Northern Ireland to Brexit and activism. Also tune in for Kloe’s thoughts and feelings on human remains and other displays as she visited Egypt in February. 04:00 How did this episode come about? 08:26 What are The Troubles? 15:40 What to include 18:10 Contemporary collecting 23:40 Including people is powerful 26:11 Audience differences 27:50 Collecting Brexit 32:24 Responding to challenges 39:49 Kloe’s visit to NMEC 47:20 Patreon appeal and shout out Show Notes: - National Museums NI: https://www.nationalmuseumsni.org/ - The Troubles according to Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles - Collecting The Troubles and Beyond: https://www.nationalmuseumsni.org/resources/collecting-troubles-and-beyond - Collecting Cultures by NHLF: https://www.heritagefund.org.uk/about/insight/evaluation/collecting-cultures-evaluation - PHM collecting: https://phm.org.uk/collections/ - James Ellis (actor): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Ellis_(actor) - Nothing About Us Without Us exhibition: https://phm.org.uk/exhibitions/nothing-about-us-without-us/ - National Museum of Egyptian Civilization: https://nmec.gov.eg/ Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson, Kloe Rumsey, and Karen Logan. Intro and outro music by DDmyzik, used under a Creative Commons Attribution license. Made available under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International license. A Wooden Dice production, 2023.

We have a chat amongst ourselves about the process of becoming an accredited conservator, as seen by two mid-career people staring at the application form in fear and distress. This episode contains snippets of both Jenny’s and Kloe’s thoughts on the very early stages of getting ready to even apply, being on the Pathway (PACR), and some of the notable barriers. Kloe also interviews Heather Doyle about how accreditation works and how it will be changing, and Dear Jane handles a question about how to pitch for more hours of work. 00:00:33 Jenny’s long road on the Pathway 00:05:38 Kloe’s speed-run 00:11:26 The murky history of accreditation 00:16:01 Evidence is everything 00:21:27 Reasons to go for it 00:23:41 Specialisms are made up 00:29:50 Jenny frets about things after a workshop 00:32:36 Kloe’s commitment 00:37:17 Kloe’s anxiety about specialisms and forms 00:40:49 Kloe’s confused about mentors 00:42:08 Kloe discovers the Pathway 00:43:35 Kloe’s funding issues 00:45:20 Interview with Heather Doyle 01:12:56 Postscript (sort of) 01:16:18 Dear Jane 01:23:59 Patreon shout out and appeal Show Notes: - All about Icon accreditation: https://www.icon.org.uk/accreditation.html - The Conservation Register: https://www.conservationregister.com/ Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson and Kloe Rumsey. Intro and outro music by DDmyzik, used under a Creative Commons Attribution license. Made available under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International license. A Wooden Dice production, 2023.

We talk to community-building conservator Melissa King about nurturing communication between collections care professionals and the growing preservation community at Conserv. Jenny also talks to heritage consultant Sarah Marsom about being a moderator online, and to chief exec Sara Crofts about Icon’s use of Discord and Basecamp. Don’t forget to tune in for a Dear Jane about getting some conservation experience in South Africa! 00:02:15 Web based communities and conservation 00:04:27 Whatever happened to forums? 00:09:44 Different ways and levels of engaging 00:10:50 Kloe feels clueless (but isn’t really) 00:16:39 Developing communities for different audiences 00:20:05 Platform options out there 00:25:09 Being too afraid to post 00:31:11 Kloe joins the Conserv community 00:37:26 Jenny wants a Mastodon instance for conservators 00:40:17 Interview with Sarah Marsom 00:53:40 Interview with Sara Crofts 01:04:50 Dear Jane 01:12:24 Patreon shout out and funding plea Show Notes: - Join the Conserv Community here: https://community.conserv.io/join?invitation_token=18de977edaf111954e06b897a6ab0356181e1c1a-97dcab76-66ae-4e51-8831-e2d9f5d886f4 - Conserv: https://bit.ly/3TvkFfB - S09E04 Environmental Monitoring: https://thecword.show/2021/05/05/s09e04-environmental-monitoring/ - Conserv’s upcoming conference: https://conserv.io/preservation-matters-2023/ - Conservation DistList archives: https://cool.culturalheritage.org/byform/mailing-lists/cdl/ - Global Conservation Forum: https://community.culturalheritage.org/communities/community-home?CommunityKey=ea3d002c-9fc3-4446-b7d2-c308f5faed13 - Online communities as defined by Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_community - Connecting to Collections Care community: https://connectingtocollections.org/ - ConCode: https://www.concode.info/ - A quick guide to Facebook Groups: https://www.lifewire.com/facebook-groups-4103720 - Discord: https://discord.com/ - Slack: https://slack.com/ - Circle: https://circle.so/ - Cardiff Conservation Graduates FB group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/132162183909/ - FREELANCE Conservators in Private Practice FB group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1679578638848189/ - Art Conservation Advocates FB group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/artconservationadvocates/ - Reddit’s /r/MuseumPros: https://www.reddit.com/r/MuseumPros/ - Reddit’s /r/ArtConservation: https://www.reddit.com/r/ArtConservation/ - A succinct explanation to the Fediverse: https://gist.github.com/joepie91/f924e846c24ec7ed82d6d554a7e7c9a8 - The GLAM server on Mastodon: https://glammr.us/ - Sarah Marsom: https://www.sarahmarsom.com/ - Historic Preservation Professionals FB group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/PreservationProfessionals - National Council of Public History on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/publichistorians - Basecamp: https://basecamp.com/ - Example of Cex Drop-In Session via Icon: https://www.icon.org.uk/events/cex-drop-in-session-april-2023-2.html - ICOM-CC open access papers treasure trove: https://www.icom-cc-publications-online.org/ - Studies in Conservation: https://www.iiconservation.org/publications/sic - JAIC: https://www.culturalheritage.org/publications/journal-(jaic) - JIC: https://www.icon.org.uk/resources/journal-of-the-institute-of-conservation.html - AICCM Bulletin: https://aiccm.org.au/publications/aiccm-bulletin/ - Thoughts on commercial taxidermy skills: https://blogs.cardiff.ac.uk/conservation/2310-2/ - Connect with Monique Vajifdar on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/monique-vajifdar-470025211/ - South African Museums Association: https://samuseums.co.za/ Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson, Kloe Rumsey, and Melissa King. Intro and outro music by DDmyzik, used under a Creative Commons Attribution license. Made available under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International license. A Wooden Dice production, 2023.

As we huddle up in a pew with Dr Sarah Turner we talk about Christmas in cathedrals, play a parlour game of Five Things, and make some predictions for the year ahead. Kloe talks to Beth Gillions about her time as a caretaker at Westminster Chapel in winter, and Todd Wright sings our rendition of ‘Silent Night’ for some extra feels. Also tune in for a review of ‘National Treasures: Saving the Nation’s Art in World War II’ from Jenny and a Dear Jane about pre-programme experience in the US. Happy holidays! 02:02 Uses of church spaces and collections around Christmas 08:59 Five Things parlour game 19:00 Annual predictions 24:19 Interview with Beth Gillions 32:27 Install Night (Christmas song) 34:22 Review: National Treasures 37:30 Dear Jane Show Notes: - Canterbury Cathedral: https://www.canterbury-cathedral.org/ - Lambeth conference: https://www.lambethconference.org/ - Vestments: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vestment - Liturgical colours: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liturgical_colours - Jenny’s favourite Disney film: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hunchback_of_Notre_Dame_(1996_film) - Westminster Chapel: https://westminsterchapel.org.uk/ - More music by Todd Wright (our singer this year): https://open.spotify.com/artist/4774AfmqyBy6472bdgGD5F - National Treasures by Caroline Shenton: https://www.carolineshenton.co.uk/book/national-treasures-saving-the-nations-art-in-world-war-ii/ - Example of online volunteering (in the UK): https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/about/get-involved/volunteering/volunteering-opportunities/remote-opportunities/ - Repair cafe movement: https://www.repaircafe.org/en/ - State of NC Internship Program: https://ncadmin.nc.gov/public/internship-program-2023 *** Install Night (vocals by Todd Wright, lyrics by Kloe Rumsey, Beth Gillions, and Morgan Fox) Install night, loans done right Objects in crates, snug and tight, Weatherproof, padded with Plastazote foam, Labelled sections in temporary homes Acclimate them for install Acclimate them for install Install night, gloves in sight Forms laid out on which couriers will write, No change occurred on the journey here Loan reports for take-down next year Per diem and a budget meal Per diem and a budget meal *** Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson, Kloe Rumsey, and Dr Sarah Turner. Intro and outro music by DDmyzik, used under a Creative Commons Attribution license. Made available under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International license. A Wooden Dice production, 2022.

Together with special co-host Sean Kelly we talk about all things redevelopment: from the strange sensation of taking things off display, to the joy of opening the doors, and why museum work never stops. Also tune in for interviews with Georgina Young from Manchester Museum, Alex Cropper from Manchester Jewish Museum, and Chris Weeks from Manx National Heritage. 00:00:51 What’s happening in Paisley? 00:05:24 Putting collections in new places 00:07:44 The odd melancholy of a decant 00:13:47 Building design and collections care 00:19:21 How long does a big funding bid take? 00:23:04 Why do we redevelop and who decides? 00:29:06 The things people get upset about 00:39:51 How often do you redevelop? 00:45:27 Interview with Georgina Young 00:57:20 Interview with Alex Cropper 01:06:07 Interview with Chris Weeks Show Notes: - Paisley Museum and Art Galleries: https://paisley.is/paisley-museum-and-art-galleries/ - City of Culture: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_City_of_Culture - Carmarthenshire Museums and an old Debenhams: https://newsroom.carmarthenshire.gov.wales/2022/08/former-debenhams-building-to-be-used-to-bring-together-key-public-services-all-under-one-roof/#.Y494XOzP2A4 - ALA projects: https://www.ala.uk.com/selected-projects/ - The Wellcome thread everyone got oddly upset about: https://twitter.com/ExploreWellcome/status/1596091202381975552 - Wellcome gallery closure statement: https://wellcomecollection.org/pages/Y4TdMBAAACMApB14 - Ipswich Museum redevelopment: https://ipswich.cimuseums.org.uk/ipswichmuseumredevelopment/ - People being angry at Ipswich redevelopment plans: https://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/local-council/20706027.ipswich-museum-addresses-petition-reassures-history-will-preserved/ - Article Kloe was quoting: https://www.victoriansociety.org.uk/news/ipswich-museum-under-threat-from-historically-insensitive-redevelopment - What’s happening to the old Museum of London site: https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2022/nov/27/museum-of-london-plans-to-demlish-site-bastion-house-sheppard-robson-diller-scofidio-renfro-centre-for-music - Manchester Museum’s Hello Future redevelopment: https://www.museum.manchester.ac.uk/about/hellofuture/ - Manchester Jewish Museum: https://www.manchesterjewishmuseum.com/ - Manx National Heritage: https://manxnationalheritage.im/ - Isle of Man TT Gallery project: https://manxnationalheritage.im/about-us/isle-of-man-tt-gallery/ - Zenzie Tinker Conservation: https://www.zenzietinker.co.uk/ Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson, Kloe Rumsey, and Sean Kelly. Intro and outro music by DDmyzik, used under a Creative Commons Attribution license. Made available under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International license. A Wooden Dice production, 2022.

Join us for another tranquil boat episode with conservator Pierrette Squires as we talk about time management. How do you estimate how long a treatment will take? How do you handle project slip, unexpected overtime, and an overflowing inbox? How do you structure the day when you’re self-employed? Also tune in for a Dear Jane about stakeholders and furry friends. 00:02:51 Kloe’s experience and approach 00:08:42 Building the skill of estimates 00:11:46 Jenny’s struggles 00:16:21 The Out of Office message and emails 00:24:52 Pierrette’s approach as a manager 00:30:36 Lists and calendars 00:44:35 Working with others (slight interference here) 00:47:50 Exceptional circumstances 00:53:11 Suddenly priority 00:59:04 Advice for beginners 01:00:45 Dear Jane 01:03:49 Comments, questions, and corrections Show Notes: - S12E05 Disability in Conservation: https://thecword.show/2022/11/09/s12e05-disability-in-conservation/ - Toggl: https://toggl.com/ - Adam Savage on check boxes and lists: https://www.wired.com/story/adam-savage-lists-more-lists-power-checkboxes/ - Example of a circular wall planner: https://www.theroundmethod.com/products/circular-calendar-digital-download-pdf - Visit our shop: https://www.thecword.show/shop Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson, Kloe Rumsey, and Pierrette Squires. Intro and outro music by DDmyzik, used under a Creative Commons Attribution license. Made available under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International license. A Wooden Dice production, 2022.

Join us on a tranquil houseboat as we talk about being conservators with disabilities with special guest host Pierrette Squires. We share our various experiences and set the world to rights (with ducks in the background). Also tune in for a Dear Jane about accreditation, a tour of the new ‘Nothing About Us Without Us’ exhibition with Kloe, and a review of ‘The Routledge Companion to Art and Disability’ from Jenny. 00:01:35 Jenny’s experiences 00:03:53 Pierrette’s hearing loss 00:07:09 Kloe’s struggles 00:12:46 Relating to others and appreciating yourself 00:17:55 Shout out to placement students with disabilities 00:19:17 Are there more disabled conservators now? 00:21:01 Recruitment and the fear of discrimination 00:25:37 How to be a more supportive workplace 00:33:33 How flexible working has transformed our health 00:36:40 Training ahead of an exhibition 00:42:21 How society (and conservation) disables us 00:44:00 Reactions to disability and access issues 00:52:29 Disability represented in museum collections 00:58:18 Access for visitors: lights, touch, and adjustments 01:07:00 CPD issues 01:11:34 Discussion of the AIC report 01:20:37 Dear Jane 01:26:20 Review: The Routledge Companion to Art and Disability 01:32:29 Kloe takes us behind the scenes Show Notes: - Equality Act 2010: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/equality-act-2010-guidance - Definition of disability under the Equality Act 2010: https://www.gov.uk/definition-of-disability-under-equality-act-2010 - Menieres disease: https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/menieres-disease/ - S01E01 Demographics: https://thecword.show/2017/02/15/demographics/ - Adult ADHD screening test: https://adhduk.co.uk/adult-adhd-screening-survey/ - Work of the Icon Diversity & Inclusion Task & Finish Group: https://www.icon.org.uk/resource-report/diversity-and-inclusion-task-and-finish-group-report.html - Exhibition about disabled people’s activism: https://phm.org.uk/exhibitions/nothing-about-us-without-us-3/ - Social vs medical model of disability: https://www.ombudsman.org.uk/sites/default/files/FDN-218144_Introduction_to_the_Social_and_Medical_Models_of_Disability.pdf - Greater Manchester Coalition of Disabled People: https://gmcdp.com/ - Spoon theory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoon_theory - S05E06 Touchy Feely: https://thecword.show/2019/05/29/s05e06-touchy-feely/ - Accessibility in Conservation Survey report from AIC: https://www.culturalheritage.org/docs/default-source/publications/reports/survey-reports/accessibility-in-conservation-report.pdf - The Routledge Companion to Art and Disability: https://www.routledge.com/The-Routledge-Companion-to-Art-and-Disability/Watson-Hiles/p/book/9780367444785 Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson, Kloe Rumsey, and Pierrette Squires. Intro and outro music by DDmyzik, used under a Creative Commons Attribution license. Made available under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International license. A Wooden Dice production, 2022.

Jenny and Kloe share some conservation horror stories, including mysterious tales of possessed equipment and phantasmal fans. Break it down to our Halloween song ‘The Monstrous Crash’ and then wind down with a review of ‘Ghost Stories of the British Museum Audio Guide’ by Noah Angell. Finally Jenny shares some pumpkin preservation tips for everyone’s Halloween needs! 02:59 Can anyone offer us a haunted place to visit? 04:23 Jenny’s possessed air quality monitor 06:40 Kloe’s mysterious fan incident 15:26 What’s the spookiest museum object you’ve ever come across? 19:16 What’s the scariest thing you’ve found in the store? 27:50 The scariest job offers 29:50 Kloe’s addendum on The Fan Incident 31:40 The Monstrous Crash 35:27 Review: Ghost Stories of the British Museum Audio Guide 38:02 Comments, questions, corrections 38:33 Pumpkin preservation Show Notes: - European Day of Conservation-Restoration: https://www.ecco-eu.org/european-day-of-conservation-restoration/ - S09E06 Leather: https://thecword.show/2021/06/02/s09e06-leather/ - S01E02 Human Remains: https://thecword.show/2017/03/15/s01e02-human-remains/ - S07E02 Frightful Beasts and Where to Find Them: https://thecword.show/2020/04/29/s07e02-frightful-beasts-and-where-to-find-them/ - Spitting Image (TV series): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spitting_Image - S02E05 Modern Materials: https://thecword.show/2017/10/18/s02e05-modern-materials/ - Meaco environmental monitoring (to verify hauntings): https://meaco.co.uk/ - Ghost Stories of the British Museum Audio Guide: https://music.apple.com/gb/album/ghost-stories-of-the-british-museum-audio-guide/1529228148 - S12E03 Gemstones and Minerals: https://thecword.show/2022/10/12/s12e03-gemstones-and-minerals/ - Making your jack-o-lantern last longer: https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/guides/how-to-make-your-pumpkins-last-longer/ *** The Monstrous Crash (vocals by Steve Waddington and the Case Kickers) I was working in the lab late one night, When an eerie noise gave me a fright I heard new voices I did not recognise, And suddenly to my surprise, There was a monstrous crash! Something reduced to trash I set off at a dash! What a monstrous crash! With gloves in hand I dashed down the hall No answers from paintings, hung upon the walls No response from the medieval gallery where An armoured suit gave me a steely glare... There was a monstrous crash! Something reduced to trash I set off at a dash! What a monstrous crash! This report will not be fun, telling bosses what’s been done The mess might be abhorrent - my work may be undone! And I rounded the corner, in quite a fright, But just got stony looks from all the ammonites, Then the burial goods it was time to brave, Where votive figures are all silent as the grave There was a monstrous crash! Something reduced to trash I set off at a dash! What a monstrous crash! And at last at the gift shop I found the noise, Where the night guard who our museum employs, Had tripped over the soft toys’ rack, but then, Said “Why are you here? It’s 2am!” There was a monstrous crash! Something reduced to trash I set off at a dash! What a monstrous crash! So back to my office it was time to creep, The legionary in his coffin went back to sleep, But then I heard a distant, case-rattling roar... Probably the mould beast on the basement floor There was a monstrous crash! Something reduced to trash I set off at a dash! What a monstrous crash! Wah-ooh, argh, monstrous crash, no good, wah-ooh At least it’s not as scary as china repairs done with sellotape… Wah-ooh, argh, monstrous crash, no good, wah-ooh Oops… My bad! *** Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson and Kloe Rumsey. Intro and outro music by DDmyzik, used under a Creative Commons Attribution license. Made available under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International license. A Wooden Dice production, 2022.

We’re joined by the brilliant jewellery conservator Bill Hawkes for a dazzling episode about the history of gems, the usefulness of pretty stones, and the intriguing secrets of the jewellery industry. Also tune in for an interview with geological conservator Kate Andrew about the hidden dangers of rock samples and why you should never bin an old label! 01:43 What are minerals? 03:00 Uses of gemstones – light, fading, and lasers! 06:14 Famous diamonds and their history 10:38 Cutting gemstones now and in the past 14:09 More gemstone chemistry 26:27 Hardness vs toughness 33:05 How do you identify gemstones? 41:41 How mucky jewellery gets and cleaning strategies 46:59 What to do if you don’t know what you’ve got 48:43 Pigments and other uses of minerals 52:22 Organic gemstones 56:35 Interview with Kate Andrew Show Notes: - S11E02 Metals (Part 2): https://thecword.show/2022/05/18/s11e05-metals-part-2/ - Bill’s website: https://www.williamhawkes.co.uk/ - Lasers and gemstones: https://www.illinoisscience.org/2019/01/surprising-uses-gemstones-ruby-laser/ - Koh-i-Noor diamond: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koh-i-Noor - Cullinan diamond: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cullinan_Diamond - Black Prince’s Ruby: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Prince%27s_Ruby - Mohs scale of hardness: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohs_scale_of_mineral_hardness - Gemstone colour chemistry: https://www.compoundchem.com/2014/06/29/what-causes-the-colour-of-gemstones/ - Gemmological Association of Great Britain: https://gem-a.com/ - National Association of Jewellers: https://www.naj.co.uk/ - Gemological Institute of America: https://www.gia.edu/ - Icon’s guidance on geological specimens: http://natsca.org/sites/default/files/publications-full/care-and-conservation-of-geological-specimens.pdf Reading recommendations from Bill and Kate: - Gemstones by Cally Hall: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gemstones-Cally-Hall/dp/0241436184/ - The Retail Jeweller’s Guide by Kenneth Blakemore: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Retail-Jewellers-Guide-Kenneth-Blakemore/dp/0719800331 - Care and Conservation of Geological Materials by Frank Howie: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Care-Conservation-Geological-Material-Meteorites/dp/0750603712/ Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson, Kloe Rumsey, and William Hawkes. Intro and outro music by DDmyzik, used under a Creative Commons Attribution license. Made available under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International license. A Wooden Dice production, 2022.

We have a gentle (but also angry) chat about the cost of living crisis, the impact on society, and how it affects us as conservators: both as self-employed people and as museum workers. Jenny also talks to Sharon Heal from the Museums Association, and Kloe reviews ‘Low Cost/No Cost Tips for Sustainability in Cultural Heritage’ by Lorraine Finch. 01:57 Why are we NOT talking about this? 04:11 Jenny’s lived experience of poverty 08:09 Why this is happening 11:01 Energy usage and greener thinking 13:10 Relief schemes, price caps and the impact on us 18:50 Interview with Sharon Heal 33:32 Some useful resources 43:59 Review: Low Cost/No Cost Tips for Sustainability in Cultural Heritage Show Notes: - AIM Cost of Living Survey: https://aim-museums.co.uk/aim-cost-living-survey/ - Museums and libraries to set up as warm banks: https://metro.co.uk/2022/08/22/libraries-and-museums-form-warm-refuges-amid-energy-crisis-17225833/ - Energy crisis may hamper museum plans of being ‘warm banks’ this winter: https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2022/aug/31/uk-museums-rising-energy-costs-could-hamper-warm-banks-plan - Citizen Advice Bureau: https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/debt-and-money/get-help-with-the-cost-of-living/ - Business energy costs to be cut: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62969427 - Museums Journal piece on energy relief scheme: https://www.museumsassociation.org/museums-journal/news/2022/09/sector-welcomes-energy-relief-but-calls-for-ongoing-investment/ - Museums Association statement on cost of living crisis: https://www.museumsassociation.org/campaigns/advocacy/our-statement-on-the-cost-of-living-crisis/ - Managing the cost of living crisis (via MA Well-Being Hub): https://www.museumsassociation.org/careers/wellbeing-hub/managing-the-cost-of-living-crisis/ - Energy Bill Relief Scheme: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/energy-bill-relief-scheme-help-for-businesses-and-other-non-domestic-customers - Warm banks to get money from Welsh government: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-62968256 - Thread with ideas in collaboration with the Job Centre: https://twitter.com/eleanor_root/status/1564522591003578369 - Direct link to Google document with crowdsourced ideas: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PCdd3cPjgxH-Wd85TEXZBfqw2-ay7VjokTi1ekwHSMo/edit - S09E04 Environmental Monitoring: https://thecword.show/2021/05/05/s09e04-environmental-monitoring/ - S04E01 Going Green: https://thecword.show/2018/09/19/s04e01-going-green/ - S06E01 Conservation on a Budget: https://thecword.show/2019/09/18/s06e01-conservation-on-a-budget/ - Mayor asks museums to close two days per week: https://news.artnet.com/art-world/energy-crisis-european-museums-2170843 - Low Cost/No Cost Tips for Sustainability in Cultural Heritage: https://lfcp.co.uk/publications/ Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson and Kloe Rumsey. Intro and outro music by DDmyzik, used under a Creative Commons Attribution license. Made available under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International license. A Wooden Dice production, 2022.

Together with Beth Gillions we put on our best confidence clothes and talk about job interviews: what it’s like asking the questions, what do you do when you forget everything about yourself, and what are the practical assessments like for job seeking conservators? We share our top tips and some great advice from our followers on Twitter too! 00:02:10 Kloe and Jenny’s experiences of being on interview panels 00:05:37 “Is there anything you’d like to ask us?” 00:08:34 Everything we hate about interviews 00:10:47 How do you deal with nerves beforehand? 00:20:16 Being on the other side of the table 00:23:26 Typical questions you might come across 00:28:21 Getting the questions in advance 00:34:03 What do you do when your mind goes blank? 00:37:24 Different types of interviews 00:54:27 What to do after the interview 00:58:06 Asking for feedback 01:00:33 Our final top tips 01:02:34 Comments, questions and corrections 01:06:39 Patreon shout out Show Notes: - Follow Beth on Twitter: https://twitter.com/bethgillions - S05E05 Portfolio Extravaganza: https://thecword.show/2019/05/15/s05e05-portfolio-extravaganza/ - Twitter thread about dealing with nerves: https://twitter.com/thecwordpodcast/status/1518225244598816768 - Check out Icon News for ‘Moving On Up’ career advice sections: https://www.icon.org.uk/resources/icon-news.html - Twitter thread about mind going blank: https://twitter.com/thecwordpodcast/status/1518907490125197312 - Twitter thread about follow-up and aftercare: https://twitter.com/thecwordpodcast/status/1522172504390832128 Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson, Kloe Rumsey, and Beth Gillions. Intro and outro music by DDmyzik, used under a Creative Commons Attribution license. Made available under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International license. A Wooden Dice production, 2022.