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Welcome to the Real Estate Investor Podcast. Your host, Gary Lipsky of Break of Day Capital, has more than 30 years of operations and management experience and over 20 years in real estate investing worth over $1/4 Billion. He talks to leading experts to discuss a wide range of subjects to educate investors on best in class practices to build legacy wealth and positively impact communities. 100% straight talk.

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Welcome to the Real Estate Investor Podcast. Your host, Gary Lipsky of Break of Day Capital, has more than 30 years of operations and management experience and over 20 years in real estate investing worth over $1/4 Billion. He talks to leading experts to discuss a wide range of subjects to educate investors on best in class practices to build legacy wealth and positively impact communities. 100% straight talk.

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English


Episodes

Episode #169: Colm McEvilly – Investor Decision-Making Process

9/22/2023
When it comes to investing in real estate, the decision-making process is of unparalleled importance. This is where you, as the investor, will ascertain whether to get involved in a project or look elsewhere for more viable options. To help us make sense of the decision-making process for investors, we are joined by real estate sponsor and developer, and our dear friend, Colm McEvilly. After coming from a background in mechanical engineering, Colm has since gone on to find his feet in real estate, helping multiple teams raise over $160 million in retail investor capital. In today’s episode, Colm walks us through the investor decision-making process, paying specific attention to the three biases around making decisions, how an investor gathers information, why an investor’s involvement in the decision-making process is key, and the four main categories you need to fully understand when vetting the quality of an investment. You can reach out to Colm via email with any questions or ideas that you may have, but for now, sit back, take notes, and enjoy! Key Points From This Episode: Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode: Colm McEvilly on LinkedIn Colm McEvilly on Facebook Colm McEvilly Email Viking Capital IronGall Investments The Infinity San Francisco Neal Bawa World Accelerator Neighborhood Scout GreatSchools FormDs.com Asset Management Mastery Facebook Group Break of Day Capital Break of Day Capital Instagram Break of Day Capital YouTube Gary Lipsky on LinkedIn

Duration:00:30:49

Episode #168: Ryan Kennedy — Health is Wealth

9/15/2023
Welcome to this special edition of the Real Estate Investor Podcast, where we bring you everything that happened in our recent Health is Wealth webinar with Ryan Kennedy. Ryan is a functional medicine practitioner, traditional naturopath, and board-certified clinical nutritionist who helps people improve their health through lifestyle and dietary changes. In Health is Wealth, Ryan breaks down everything you need to know to improve your mental clarity, maintain good energy levels, and keep your body functioning optimally throughout the entire day. He explains the importance of starting your day the right way and how to go about it, how you can feel like a million bucks without spending a penny, and how to stay active when your work requires you to be mostly seated, plus everything you need to know for an evening routine that leads to the perfect sleep. We also learn about the dangers of pharmaceuticals, the benefits of nootropics, how to use biofeedback properly, why getting proper sleep and taking care of your soul are two essentials for a long life, and more. You’ll want to take notes for this one! Key Points From This Episode: Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode: Ryan Kennedy Ryan Kennedy on LinkedIn Ryan Kennedy on Instagram Ryan Kennedy on YouTube Ryan Kennedy on Facebook Ryan Kennedy on TikTok The Ryan Kennedy Show Brandon Turner on LinkedIn ChiliSleep BodyHealth Newcomp Analytics MedLight 630 Pro PlatimunLED Therapy Lights Asset Management Mastery Facebook Group Break of Day Capital Break of Day Capital Instagram Break of Day Capital YouTube Gary Lipsky on LinkedIn

Duration:00:40:21

Episode #167: Corey Peterson – What Could Possibly Go Wrong from LOI to Close?

9/8/2023
Most real estate investors relax once the LOI period is over but that is a huge mistake! Loads of things can go wrong between LOI and the close of the deal, and joining us today is Corey Peterson to tell us all about possible bumps in the road. Tuning in, you’ll hear all about our guest’s remarkable career, why Corey works with an attorney in certain instances, his personal LOI timeline, why you need to understand your seller’s ‘why’, and so much more! We delve into who should draw up the purchase and sell agreement before discussing how money is made in operations. Some of the best deals seasoned investors have ever done are the ones they chose to walk away from, and in this episode, Corey reminds us to know when not to close. To hear all this and even learn from our guest’s biggest investing regret, press play now! Key Points From This Episode: Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode: Text “Book” to 480-500-1127 to get Corey’s book shipped to you for free! Corey Peterson on LinkedIn Corey Peterson on X Corey Peterson on Instagram Kahuna Investments Copy Your Way to Success: Standing on the Shoulders of Giants The Multifamily Legacy Podcast Asset Management Mastery Facebook Group Break of Day Capital Break of Day Capital Instagram Break of Day Capital YouTube Gary Lipsky on LinkedIn Joseph Fang on LinkedIn

Duration:00:29:52

Episode #166: Jordan Berry — Investing in Laundromats

9/1/2023
Laundromats may have the stigma of being boring, tiresome places where no one truly wants to be, but they should not be dismissed by willing investors outright, because buying into a laundromat may bring you faster returns than most real estate ventures. We are thrilled to be joined today by Jordan Berry, the Founder of Laundromat Resource, an education and community platform dedicated to current and future laundromat owners. After explaining his professional background and current job role, Jordan walks us through the key elements that helped him turn his business around, where and how to find and acquire laundromats, how prospective owners can verify their new acquisition’s income, and what a laundromat’s water bill has to do with the IRS. Be sure to join us for this intriguing conversation with Jordan Berry as we discover how to scale a laundromat, where to find help and resources for investing in laundromats, and why a laundromat should be every new investor’s first asset. Key Points From This Episode: Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode: Jordan Berry on LinkedIn Jordan Berry on X Jordan Berry Email Laundromat Resource Laundromat Resource on YouTube Laundromat Resource Podcast Asset Management Mastery Facebook Group Break of Day Capital Break of Day Capital Instagram Break of Day Capital YouTube Gary Lipsky on LinkedIn

Duration:00:21:22

Episode #165: Taylor Loht – Multifamily and Self-Storage Investing

8/25/2023
As long as people exist, the need for housing will too! Joining us today is Taylor Loht, founder of NT Capital Group and the host of the Passive Wealth Strategy show. He is here to tell us all about his experience as a fearless multifamily and self-storage investor. Tuning in, you’ll hear about his fascinating view of interest rates as an investor, why he will continue to invest even in the current climate, the importance of making informed decisions about investments based on multiple factors and not just on final business projections, and so much more! We even touch on how his investment strategy has changed over the years before our guest tells us about his favorite business books. You don’t want to miss this one so press play now! Key Points From This Episode: Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode: Taylor Loht Taylor Loht on Instagram NT Capital Group Invest with Taylor Passive Wealth Strategy Show Crucial Conversations: Tools for Talking When Stakes Are High Am I Being Too Subtle?: Straight Talk from a Business Rebel Asset Management Mastery Facebook Group Break of Day Capital Break of Day Capital Instagram Break of Day Capital YouTube Gary Lipsky on LinkedIn Joseph Fang on LinkedIn

Duration:00:19:13

Episode #164: Nick Stageberg – Infinite Returns

8/18/2023
Where does property value lie? And what are the benefits of taking such good care of your property so that it’s worth more to you than the marketplace? Joining us today to explore these questions and to break down his enlightened approach to investing in real estate is Nick Stageberg, a software tech startup veteran and founder of Black Swan Real Estate, an established firm with over 300 million assets under management. We talk with Nick about his Infinite Returns strategy, his aversion to selling, and why cultivating a long-term mindset is the best way to ensure you make wise investment decisions. Learn how Nick uses deep value-adds to ensure that his units remain in excellent condition many years down the line — when others would typically require new rounds of repairs — and why vertical integration has been such a game changer for his business. Our conversation also covers Nick’s sophisticated approach to aligning his incentives with those of his investors and why serving others, rather than yourself, is such a powerful motivator. To learn more about Nick’s approach and his many fascinating insights on investing in real estate, be sure to tune in! Key Points From This Episode: Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode: Nick Stageberg on LinkedIn Black Swan Living Black Swan Real Estate on YouTube Asset Management Mastery Facebook Group Break of Day Capital Break of Day Capital Instagram Break of Day Capital YouTube Gary Lipsky on LinkedIn Joseph Fang on LinkedIn

Duration:00:19:30

Episode #163: Joseph Fang – Launching a Fund

8/11/2023
For many investors, getting involved in a fund is a scary prospect as they just do not have all the information that they need to make an informed decision. But if they took the time to do the research, they’d realize that funds are a great way of diversifying portfolios and they can also add a bit of stability to an investor’s cash flow. Our Director of Investor Relations at Break of Day Capital, Joseph Fang, is on the hot seat yet again to further explain the value of opening a fund, why we chose to launch our own BODC Multi-Family Impact Fund, why we strive for diversification above all else, and everything you need to know about our new fund offering. We also discuss the timeline and criteria of requirements for investing in our fund, the must-have skills for all would-be fund managers, and the ins and outs of the BODC Multi-Family Impact Fund’s first acquisition. Key Points From This Episode: Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode: ‘BODC Multifamily Impact Fund Webinar’ Asset Management Mastery Facebook Group Break of Day Capital Break of Day Capital Instagram Break of Day Capital YouTube Gary Lipsky on LinkedIn Joseph Fang on LinkedIn

Duration:00:16:36

Episode #162: Senior Housing with Christopher Finlay

8/4/2023
The demand for senior housing is steadily increasing across the United States. Joining us today to discuss this important trend and how to meet demand is Chris Finlay, Chairman and CEO of Lloyd Jones LLC. With a successful 43-year track record and $750 million in assets, Chris is considered a leading voice in the industry. He expresses his deep social convictions by using his expertise to uplift others and actively supports Shelters to Shutters, a non-profit organization connecting homeless individuals to housing and employment. Chris is also a member of the American Seniors Housing Association and CEO at Aviva Senior Living. In today’s conversation, he shares his insights on the world of senior living, informed by his extensive experience in the multifamily space. He shares his investment strategies and explains the unique decision to include a recruiter on every property before listing key differences to be aware of as an investor. We also touch on data, predictions for the next five to ten years of senior living investment, and how technological advancements impact the environment. Tune in today to hear all this and more! Key Points From This Episode: Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode: Chris Finlay on LinkedIn Aviva Senior Living American Seniors Housing Association Lloyd Jones LLC Asset Management Mastery Facebook Group Break of Day Capital Break of Day Capital Instagram Break of Day Capital Youtube Gary Lipsky on LinkedIn Joseph Fang on LinkedIn

Duration:00:15:01

Episode #161: Agostino Pintus – Office Conversions and Diversification

7/28/2023
If you want to succeed in real estate, then you need to know your market. That is the firm belief of today’s guest, Agostino Pintus. Agostino has almost two decades of experience in real estate and is the Founder and CEO of Bulletproof Cashflow, where he utilizes his expertise to effectively source, negotiate, and acquire commercial properties. In addition to his work as a real estate syndicator and investor, Agostino is also a gifted speaker and serves as an invaluable resource for aspiring commercial real estate professionals. There is nothing quick or easy about succeeding in real estate, and in today’s conversation with Agostino, we hear his advice on how to navigate the industry like a pro. Tuning in, you’ll learn about the biggest mistakes made by newcomers, the benefits of focusing on one market, and why every area presents an opportunity (you just need to learn how to recognize it). Agostino offers insight on key topics, like how to reduce risk, why one should opt for a fixed mortgage rate, and how to choose the right lender, before providing a breakdown of his work in Cleveland and his preference for investing in cash flow. To hear all of Agostino’s essential lessons and takeaways, be sure to tune in today! Key Points From This Episode: Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode: Agostino Pintus Agostino Pintus on LinkedIn Agostino Pintus on Twitter Bulletproof Cashflow Bulletproof Cashflow Linktree Bulletproof Cashflow Podcast Asset Management Mastery Facebook Group Break of Day Capital Break of Day Capital Instagram Break of Day Capital Youtube Gary Lipsky on LinkedIn Joseph Fang on LinkedIn

Duration:00:23:14

Episode #160: Joseph Fang and Gary Lipsky - Asset Management Wins

7/21/2023
We’re taking a little detour today as our very own Gary Lipsky dons the hot seat to bring you all the asset management wins currently happening at Break of Day Capital. Joseph Fang assumes the role of host and questions Gary on his exploits as a speaker and why he loves to spend his time in front of large audiences. Then, we dive into some asset management wins by taking a look at the renovations that are happening at some of our properties. We discuss some of the troubles we’re experiencing when trying to boost NOI and how they are echoed in the industry as a whole, the solar projects that are keeping us busy, why asset management is a difficult undertaking, and more tips and bits of expert advice from the vastly knowledgeable Gary Lipsky! Key Points From This Episode: Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode: Information Management Network Asset Management Mastery Facebook Group Break of Day Capital Break of Day Capital Instagram Break of Day Capital YouTube Gary Lipsky on LinkedIn Joseph Fang on LinkedIn Joseph Fang Email

Duration:00:14:42

Episode #159: Kathryn Schmeltz: Massive Value-Add on 1st Syndication

7/14/2023
Today on the Real Estate Investor Podcast, we are joined by Kathryn Schmeltz, a multifamily investor, deal sponsor, and partner at High Five Multifamily who has been buying distressed assets in the Dallas-Fort Worth area since 2013. To date, she has purchased, rehabbed, and successfully sold over 100 single-family residences and invested in over 700 units. In this episode, Kathryn offers some insight into her very first multifamily syndication deal, a distressed 103-unit in Lubbock, Texas, that she bought at 50% occupancy. Despite discovering a few more “skeletons in the closet” than anticipated, Kathryn and her partner were able to more than double their investors’ money in just a couple of years thanks to their rigorous due diligence process, a high level of communication, and a can-do attitude, all of which she highlights as keys to success. To learn more about how Kathryn achieved a massive value-add on her first syndication, tune in today! Key Points From This Episode: Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode: Kathryn Schmeltz on LinkedIn Kathryn Schmeltz Email High Five Multifamily Asset Management Mastery Facebook Group Break of Day Capital Break of Day Capital Instagram Break of Day Capital YouTube Gary Lipsky on LinkedIn Joseph Fang on LinkedIn

Duration:00:20:08

Episode #158: From Drilling Teeth to Fulfilling Lifestyle Dreams! with Howard Polansky

7/7/2023
Investing in yourself and your own business is invaluable, as is how you choose to manage your cash flow. Today, we are joined by cash flow optimization expert Dr. Howard Polansky, who reveals the secrets to unlocking financial success! Dr. Polansky is the founder of Cash Flow Coach USA, and in this episode, he shares his expertise in optimizing cash flow and financial strategies and opens up about his remarkable transition from dentist to cash flow coach, a move inspired by his son’s hospitalization. We discover why he advises against abruptly quitting a job without an adequate financial safety net and how syndication investments became his solution to stock market disillusionment. Tune in today as we discuss the importance of financial education, Dr. Polansky's vision for future investments, the power of continuous learning, and so much more! This conversation is sure to leave you inspired to optimize your cash flow and maximize your potential. Key Points From This Episode: Secrets of the Millionaire Mind Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode: Cash Flow Coach USA Dr. Howard Polansky Email Dr. Howard Polansky Phone Office Space Secrets of the Millionaire Mind James Clear Asset Management Mastery Facebook Group Break of Day Capital Break of Day Capital Instagram Break of Day Capital Youtube Gary Lipsky on LinkedIn Joseph Fang on LinkedIn

Duration:00:23:28

Episode #157: Pain and Opportunity with Rod Khlief

6/30/2023
At the brink of a global recession, it is possible and beneficial, to choose excitement over fear. During this episode, Rod Khlief returns to the podcast to share his predictions for the future of our economy and how we can succeed in a changing climate. Rod is a top real estate and peak performance expert, multiple business owner and philanthropist. He has owned over 2000 properties and hosts the Lifetime Cashflow Podcast, with over 16 million downloads. One of the themes he speaks about weekly is mindset power; during this conversation, he offers some insights he shares there. He touches on a huge variety of topics, including how to approach a capital raise, the importance of choosing the right peer group, and why it is so important to set goals. Rod sees plenty of potential in today’s changing world and offers an inspiring perspective on making the most of every opportunity. Tune in today to hear all this and more! Key Points From This Episode: How to Create Lifetime Cashflow Through Multifamily Properties. Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode: Text LINKS to 72345 Bootcamp Promo Code: GARY Rod Khlief Rod Khlief Linkree Rod Khlief on Instagram Rod Khlief on Twitter Rod Khlief on LinkedIn Rod Khlief on YouTube Lifetime Cashflow Podcast Goal Setting Workshop Goal Setting Worksheet How to Create Lifetime Cashflow Through Multifamily Properties Tony Robbins Asset Management Mastery Facebook Group Break of Day Capital Break of Day Capital Instagram Break of Day Capital YouTube Gary Lipsky on LinkedIn Joseph Fang on LinkedIn

Duration:00:23:15

Episode #156: John Berlet – Opportunity Zone Fund to Defer Taxes

6/23/2023
Opportunity Zones [OZs] have been demarcated in the interest of economic development and to attract investors to distressed parts of America. Joining us today is an OZ Fund specialist, the General Partner of Tandem Trust, and the Fund Manager of Coastal Bend OZ, John Berlet. After explaining what he does and breaking down his history as a financial planner, John defines Opportunity Zone Funds, the tax incentives and other reasons that you’d want to start one, why big construction is better for OZ Funds, and how outdated information means that some middle to high-income areas still get classified as Opportunity Zones. We learn about John’s most recent project and what he’s most excited about, before hearing about everything he’s learned as a fund manager. If you are an aspiring OZ Fund manager and would like to know what it takes, then be sure to tune in for helpful, practical examples from the wonderful and wise, John Berlet! Key Points From This Episode: Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode: John Berlet on LinkedIn Tandem Trust Financial Coastal Bend OZ Ashley Tison on LinkedIn City of Rockport, Texas Blue City Paraiso at Rockport Texas Windstorm Insurance Association Caliber Blue zones Asset Management Mastery Facebook Group Break of Day Capital Break of Day Capital Instagram Break of Day Capital YouTube Gary Lipsky on LinkedIn Joseph Fang on LinkedIn Joseph Fang Email

Duration:00:23:27

Episode #155: Powell Chee - Pivoting to Self-Storage

6/16/2023
When Powell Chee entered the real estate space, nobody could have predicted the imminent pandemic. But, far from letting this world-altering event derail his aspirations, Powell made it work for him by pivoting to self-storage! Today, Powell is the Managing Partner at Radiant Storage and a Principal at Multifamily Masters. In this episode, he shares an overview of his journey from athletics coaching to sales to real estate, how he has successfully scaled his self-storage business over the past two and a half years to the point where he has over 500 units covering 65000 square feet, what he looks for when purchasing a self-storage property (with the intention of adding value once he has purchased it), and a breakdown of the deal he recently closed in Texas after a full year of hard work! Key Points From This Episode: Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode: Powell Chee on Instagram Powell Chee on Facebook Powell Chee on LinkedIn Radiant Storage Radiant Storage Email Address Multifamily Masters Asset Management Mastery Facebook Group Break of Day Capital Break of Day Capital Instagram Break of Day Capital YouTube Gary Lipsky on LinkedIn

Duration:00:30:44

Episode #154: Gary and Joe - Patience & Performance

6/9/2023
In an answer to the many questions we’ve received about what’s happening at Break of Day Capital, Gary and Joe sit down to discuss everything that the company is getting up to. You’ll come to understand why we are not fazed by our 9-month deal drought, the deals that are currently in progress, how we go about executing our vision, and what you can focus on for motivation when most of your work is done behind the scenes. For a breakdown of our recent website updates and to find out what we’ll be doing for the rest of the year, be sure to tune in. Key Points From This Episode: Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode: Asset Management Mastery Facebook Group Break of Day Capital Break of Day Capital Instagram Break of Day Capital YouTube Gary Lipsky on LinkedIn Joseph Fang on LinkedIn Joseph Fang Email

Duration:00:13:32

Episode #153: Chris Seveney - Note Investing Made Easy

6/2/2023
Note investing is an uncommon niche to choose in the realm of real estate, which is part of the reason Chris Seveney chose to devote himself to it. Chris is a real estate investor, entrepreneur, and podcast host specializing in note investing. He joins us today to share his insights on the notes business from the scale of the mortgage market to the best time to strike when it comes to note investing. In this episode, we find out how Chris left the W2 world to focus solely on real estate and hear his advice for entering the world of note investing. Tune in to discover Chris’ greatest lessons in the industry thus far, as well as which regions he chooses not to tackle and why. Key Points From This Episode: Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode: Chris Seveney on LinkedIn Chris Seveney on Twitter 7e Investments 7e Investments on Instagram Creating Wealth Simplified Podcast Asset Management Mastery Facebook Group Break of Day Capital Break of Day Capital Instagram Break of Day Capital Youtube Gary Lipsky on LinkedIn Joseph Fang on LinkedIn

Duration:00:14:36

Episode #152: Litan Yahav — Finding Diamond-in-the-Rough Operators

5/26/2023
In passive real estate investing, the right operator is vital. Joining us to discuss how to find diamond-in-the-rough operators, is Litan Yahav, a Navy veteran and tech founder, who exited his last startup eight years ago and became a full-time alternative investor. With experience in private equity, real estate, startups, and crypto, Litan built Vyzer, a startup focused on automating the management and control of alternative investments for generating wealth and passive income. Throughout the discussion, Litan talks about his journey in real estate investing, the software he developed in the diamond jewelry industry, and his preference for investing in syndications. He also sheds light on the spectrum of passiveness in real estate investments, the red flags to look out for when choosing an operator, and his predictions for the economy and investment landscape. Tune in today to find out more about the importance of investing with people you can trust and how to find them. Key Points From This Episode: Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode: Litan Yahav on LinkedIn Litan Yahav on Twitter Vyzer Vyzer on Facebook Litan Yahav Email Sam Zell Segoma Passive Investing from Left Field Never Split the Difference Seaspiracy Formula 1: Drive to Survive Asset Management Mastery Facebook Group Break of Day Capital Break of Day Capital Instagram Break of Day Capital Youtube Gary Lipsky on LinkedIn Joseph Fang on LinkedIn

Duration:00:32:49

Episode #151: Jay Parsons – Data and the Economy

5/19/2023
Today, we are joined by Jay Parsons, who serves as the Senior VP and Chief Economist for RealPage. He's a frequent author and sought-after speaker on topics related to multifamily apartments and single-family rentals and has been cited in the Wall Street Journal, Bloomberg, the Financial Times, and the New York Times. In this episode of the Real Estate Investor Podcast, Jay offers his insights into market trends and consumer behavior as we discuss the US housing market shortage, nationwide rent growth, his predictions regarding interest rates in 2023 and 2024, the differences between true affordable housing and naturally occurring affordable housing, and more. For key metrics to watch and a better understanding of how technology can help you drive down costs, plus so much more, be sure to tune in today! Key Points From This Episode: Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode: Jay Parsons on LinkedIn Jay Parsons on Twitter RealPage RealPage Analytics Asset Management Mastery Facebook Group Break of Day Capital Break of Day Capital Instagram Break of Day Capital YouTube Gary Lipsky on LinkedIn Joseph Fang on LinkedIn

Duration:00:21:12

Episode #150: Steeve Breton — Lessons Learned from Over 40 Investments

5/12/2023
After partaking in over 40 real estate investments, you’re bound to learn a thing or two! Today’s guest is the founder of Velocity Capital, Steeve Breton and he is here to tell us all about what he has learned from his vast investment experience. In this episode, you will get some insight into the patterns Steeve has seen throughout his time in this space, and find out why overpromising on returns is dangerous. Steeve shares the importance of being realistic, and how he has overcome particularly difficult obstacles. Having experience and being educated in investing is really the most effective way to ensure success and today, Steeve shares the best real estate advice he has ever received before sharing some words of wisdom of his own. Lastly, he reminds us of the importance of good partners (and spreadsheets!) To hear all this and more, tune in now! Key Points From This Episode: Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode: Steeve Breton on LinkedIn Velocity Capital Asset Management Mastery Facebook Group Break of Day Capital Break of Day Capital Instagram Break of Day Capital Youtube Gary Lipsky on LinkedIn Joseph Fang on LinkedIn

Duration:00:19:41