
Setlist
Business & Economics Podcasts
SETLIST is the music business podcast from CMU. CMU helps people to navigate and understand the music business through media, training, research and events.
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London, United Kingdom
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SETLIST is the music business podcast from CMU. CMU helps people to navigate and understand the music business through media, training, research and events.
Twitter:
@cmu
Language:
English
Contact:
+442080999050
Episodes
How a 1980s Prince photo impacts on AI
5/29/2023
CMU’s Andy Malt and Chris Cooke review key events in music and the music business from the last week, including the US Supreme Court ruling on a long-running copyright dispute between the Andy Warhol Foundation and the photographer Lynn Goldsmith, and Universal getting into bed with AI music company Endel.
SECTION TIMES
01: Prince (00:06:30)
02: AI Music (00:23:37)
(Timings may be slightly different due to adverts)
STORIES DISCUSSED THIS WEEK
• Music industry welcomes US Supreme Court ruling in Prince artwork copyright case
• Universal Music allies with music AI company Endel to create some “science-backed soundscapes”
ALSO MENTIONED
• TikTok sues Montana over ban
• CMU Podcast: Sound Of 2017, AI in music, Kate Bush (December 2016)
MORE FROM CMU
• Upcoming CMU webinars
• Buy MMF and CMU Insights’ Dissecting The Digital Dollar book on Amazon
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• Listen to the full Setlist theme tune
Duration:00:36:32
Fans and bands rally to save London’s Brixton Academy
5/22/2023
CMU’s Andy Malt and Chris Cooke review key events in music and the music business from the last week, including news that more than 20,000 people have made representations to Lambeth Council in support of the Brixton Academy as the local authority considers a request by London’s Metropolitan Police to revoke the licence of current operators Academy Music Group, plus the latest round in the ongoing battle between the Village People and Donald Trump.
SECTION TIMES
01: Brixton Academy (00:06:38)
02: Village People (00:15:39)
(Timings may be slightly different due to adverts)
STORIES DISCUSSED THIS WEEK
• More than 20,000 representations submitted in support of Brixton Academy ahead of licence review
• Village People hit out at lookalike performance at Donald Trump event
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• Upcoming CMU webinars
• Buy MMF and CMU Insights’ Dissecting The Digital Dollar book on Amazon
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• Listen to the full Setlist theme tune
Duration:00:26:58
Ed Sheeran wins another song-theft legal battle
5/9/2023
CMU’s Andy Malt and Chris Cooke review key events in music and the music business from the last week, including Ed Sheeran’s victory in another high-profile headline-grabbing song-theft legal battle – this time over whether or not he ripped off Marvin Gaye’s ‘Let’s Get It On’ when he wrote his 2014 song ‘Thinking Out Loud’ – plus two sets of proposals for better regulating the sale of tickets put forward in US Congress late last month and another industry-led campaign launched last week that says it will advocate for “a ticketing experience better than the nightmare many fans and artists currently navigate”.
SECTION TIMES
01: Ed Sheeran (00:05:36)
02: US tickets (00:18:52)
(Timings may be slightly different due to adverts)
STORIES DISCUSSED THIS WEEK
• Non-idiot (allegedly) Ed Sheeran testifies on first day of Thinking Out Loud song-theft trial
• Ed Sheeran gets his guitar out in court as song-theft case continues
• Ed Sheeran calls musicologist’s actions “criminal” in Thinking Out Loud song-theft trial
• Ed Sheeran losing will remove “an essential element in every songwriter’s toolkit”, argues lawyer in song-theft case
• Ed Sheeran did not rip off Let’s Get It On says jury in song-theft case
• Live Nation responds to proposed new ticketing regulations in the US
ALSO MENTIONED
• The Great Escape conference
MORE FROM CMU
• Upcoming CMU webinars
• Buy MMF and CMU Insights’ Dissecting The Digital Dollar book on Amazon
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• Listen to the full Setlist theme tune
Duration:00:33:44
Universal hits out at AI generated music
4/24/2023
CMU’s Andy Malt and Chris Cooke review key events in music and the music business from the last week, including Universal Music latest call for streaming platforms to play their part in ensuring that generative AI tools are not infringing the copyrights of the music industry, plus the news that cassette sales are booming and driving chart success in the UK.
SECTION TIMES
01: AI (00:05:49)
02: Cassettes (00:27:31)
(Timings may be slightly different due to adverts)
STORIES DISCUSSED THIS WEEK
• Universal Music again demands streaming platform support over AI-created music as fake Drake goes viral
• Drake says AI generated Ice Spice cover is “the final straw”
• Liam Gallagher says AI version of himself sounds “mega”
• Idiots rejoice! The cassette revival continues
ALSO MENTIONED
• The Great Escape conference
• Download the TGE app
MORE FROM CMU
• Upcoming CMU webinars
• Buy MMF and CMU Insights’ Dissecting The Digital Dollar book on Amazon
• Sign up to receive the CMU Daily news bulletin
• Listen to the full Setlist theme tune
Duration:00:39:05
Live at Wide Days 2023
4/17/2023
A special edition of the show recorded live at Wide Days in Edinburgh. CMU’s Chris Cooke is joined on stage by Clara Cullen from Music Venue Trust, Toni Malyn from EmuBands and Silvia Montello from AIM. As Setlist returns after a short break, our guests dissect three topics that have been big talking points within the music industry in recent months: the ongoing challenges in the live sector, the debate around making streaming more “artist-centric”, and the increasingly urgent discussions about music-making AI.
SECTION TIMES
01: Live sector (00:04:25)
02: Streaming (00:23:40)
03: AI (00:43:15)
(Timings may be slightly different due to adverts)
STORIES DISCUSSED THIS WEEK
• Music Venue Trust annual report says grassroots venues are “operating on razor thin margins” and often “struggling to survive”
• Own Our Venues initiative to move onto venue-buying phase, MVT confirms
• Universal boss says streaming needs to shift to an “artist-centric” model
• Universal Music announces alliance with Tidal to shake up the streaming business model
• Universal and Deezer’s alliance to find “potential new economic models for streaming” officially announced
• Music industry organisations back Human Artistry Campaign putting the spotlight on generative AI debates
ALSO MENTIONED
• An edition of Setlist where we explained user-centric royalty distribution
MORE FROM CMU
• Upcoming CMU events
• Buy MMF and CMU Insights’ Dissecting The Digital Dollar book on Amazon
• Sign up to receive the CMU Daily news bulletin
• Listen to the full Setlist theme tune
Duration:00:54:27
Hybe defends buying into K-pop rival SM Entertainment
2/27/2023
CMU’s Andy Malt and Chris Cooke review key events in music and the music business from the last week, including Hybe CEO Park Ji-won’s defence of his company’s recent acquisition of shares in rival SM Entertainment after its management hit out at the deal, plus concerns raised by two more US senators about TikTok and its Chinese parent company Bytedance and what access the Chinese government has to users and user-data on the video sharing platform.
SECTION TIMES
01: Hybe (00:06:51)
02: TikTok (00:19:11)
(Timings may be slightly different due to adverts)
STORIES DISCUSSED THIS WEEK
• Hybe CEO defends his company’s bid to control rival SM Entertainment
• Hybe boss sets out vision for SM alliance
• Two more US senators hit out at TikTok over data concerns
• European Commission bans staff from using TikTok on work devices over data concerns
ALSO MENTIONED
• David Bowie archive acquisition (V&A press release)
MORE FROM CMU
• Upcoming CMU webinars
• Buy MMF and CMU Insights’ Dissecting The Digital Dollar book on Amazon
• Sign up to receive the CMU Daily news bulletin
• Listen to the full Setlist theme tune
Duration:00:30:40
Scottish festival boss hits out at proposed alcohol sponsorship ban
2/20/2023
CMU’s Andy Malt and Chris Cooke review key events in music and the music business from the last week, including the boss of Scottish live music firm DF Concerts' proclamation that any ban on alcohol brands sponsoring shows and festivals would be “nothing short of disastrous for Scotland’s live music industry”, plus the Australian record industry’s anger at TikTok over its ongoing experiment in the country to test the role music plays on the video-sharing platform.
SECTION TIMES
01: Alcohol ban (00:05:28)
02: Merch fees (00:20:14)
(Timings may be slightly different due to adverts)
STORIES DISCUSSED THIS WEEK
• DF Concerts chief says that alcohol sponsorship ban in Scotland would be “nothing short of disastrous” for the country’s live sector
• TikTok is working super hard on tackling harmful content and data concerns, says TikTok
ALSO MENTIONED
• CMU at SXSW, MENT and Liverpool Sound City
MORE FROM CMU
• Upcoming CMU webinars
• Buy MMF and CMU Insights’ Dissecting The Digital Dollar book on Amazon
• Sign up to receive the CMU Daily news bulletin
• Listen to the full Setlist theme tune
Duration:00:29:51
Live Nation faces tough questions in US Congress
1/30/2023
CMU’s Andy Malt and Chris Cooke review key events in music and the music business from the last week, including Live Nation and Ticketmaster coming under fire from both sides of the political spectrum, as the US Senate Judiciary Committee staged a session looking at ticketing following the problems that occurred last year when tickets for Taylor Swift’s upcoming tour went on sale via Ticketmaster’s Verified Fan system, plus one US venue company’s decision to stop taking a cut of income when artists sell merch at gigs.
SECTION TIMES
01: Live Nation (00:07:53)
02: Merch fees (00:29:12)
(Timings may be slightly different due to adverts)
STORIES DISCUSSED THIS WEEK
• Live Nation’s market dominance in the spotlight at Congressional hearing
• US venue owner axes merch commissions following artist’s testimony in Congress
• Artists welcome progress on venue merch commissions, but call for more venues to drop their merchandise fees
ALSO MENTIONED
• Rick Astley says Yung Gravy track infringed his publicity rights
• Clyde Lawrence’s full statement to US Congress (judiciary.senate.gov)
MORE FROM CMU
• Upcoming CMU webinars
• Buy MMF and CMU Insights’ Dissecting The Digital Dollar book on Amazon
• Sign up to receive the CMU Daily news bulletin
• Listen to the full Setlist theme tune
Duration:00:38:35
Music industry hits out at BBC Introducing cuts
1/23/2023
CMU’s Andy Malt and Chris Cooke review key events in music and the music business from the last week, including the campaign against proposed cuts to BBC Music Introducing, which gained momentum last week after a plethora of music industry organisations published an open letter to the board of the BBC seeking reassurance that the service does not become an “unintended victim” of any changes being made to ensure the “future stability and viability” of the broadcaster.
STORIES DISCUSSED THIS WEEK
• Music industry groups say cuts to BBC Introducing local radio shows would be “fundamental blow to the health of the entire grassroots sector”
• Tom Robinson urges artists and music fans to communicate their appreciation for the local BBC Introducing shows
• BBC provides update on local radio cutbacks
• BBC execs defend local radio cuts to MPs (December 2022)
• BBC boss Tim Davie talks about an internet-centric future with fewer TV channels and radio stations (December 2022)
ALSO MENTIONED
• PRS announces new funding model for PRS Foundation, securing current levels of support
• Full transcript of Tim Davie's Royal Television Society speech (BBC)
MORE FROM CMU
• Upcoming CMU webinars
• Buy MMF and CMU Insights’ Dissecting The Digital Dollar book on Amazon
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• Listen to the full Setlist theme tune
Duration:00:32:22
Universal boss calls for “artist-centric” streaming model
1/16/2023
CMU’s Andy Malt and Chris Cooke review key events in music and the music business from the last week, including Universal Music boss Lucian Grainge's confirmation that a big old rejig of the way streaming monies are allocated to individual tracks by the digital platforms each month is a key priority for the biggest music rights company in the world, plus Dr Dre’s legal run-in with US Congress member Marjorie Taylor Greene.
SECTION TIMES
01: Lucian Grainge (00:06:51)
02: Dr Dre (00:32:03)
(Timings may be slightly different due to adverts)
STORIES DISCUSSED THIS WEEK
• Universal boss says streaming needs to shift to an “artist-centric” model
• Dr Dre sets lawyers on Marjorie Taylor Greene over copyright infringement
• Marjorie Taylor Green responds to Dr Dre
ALSO MENTIONED
• Public Image Ltd vying to represent Ireland at Eurovision
• Eurovision hopeful John Lydon brands competition “disgusting”
MORE FROM CMU
• Upcoming CMU webinars
• Buy MMF and CMU Insights’ Dissecting The Digital Dollar book on Amazon
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• Listen to the full Setlist theme tune
Duration:00:40:11
Top five artist gripes in 2023
1/9/2023
In the first episode of the Setlist podcast for 2023, CMU’s Andy Malt and Chris Cooke look at the five key complaints that musicians have about the modern music industry as we go into the new year, including streaming royalties, venue merch commissions, the difficulties getting music playlisted on streaming services, the pressure to always be active on social media, and a frustration that the music that is popular isn’t always of the highest quality.
SECTION TIMES
01: Streaming services screw us over (00:07:39)
02: Venues take a cut of our merchandise income (00:18:09)
03: Spotify won’t playlist my music (00:26:02)
04: There’s too much pressure to always be on social media (00:37:05)
05: People like shit music (00:47:41)
(Timings may be slightly different due to adverts)
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• Buy MMF and CMU Insights’ Dissecting The Digital Dollar book on Amazon
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Duration:00:56:54
The music business review of the year 2022
12/19/2022
In this final edition of the Setlist podcast for 2022, CMU's Andy Malt and Chris Cooke review key events in music and the music business from the last year.
That includes: the ongoing economics of streaming debate, the resurgence (or not) of the live music industry, the continued increase in song-theft lawsuits, the growing trend of interpolation in pop, and the licensing of music on social media platforms.
Apologies for the slight sound issues on some of this episode - one of us (naming no names) managed to record themselves through a microphone that wasn't the one pointing at their face.
SECTION TIMES
01: Economics of streaming (00:06:47)
02: Live industry (00:12:46)
03: Song-theft lawsuits (00:18:45)
04: Interpolation (00:24:59)
05: Licensing on social media (00:32:17)
(Timings may be slightly different due to adverts)
STORIES DISCUSSED THIS WEEK
• Artist remuneration remains a key sticking point as MPs return to the economics of streaming debate (November 2022)
• CMA concludes that competition issues are not creating challenges for music-makers in the streaming economy (November 2022)
• Goldman Sachs 'Music In The Air' report 2022 (June 2022)
• Live Nation Q3 2022 results (November 2022)
• Santigold cancels US tour: “I will not continue to sacrifice myself for an industry that has become unsustainable” (September 2022)
• Animal Collective cancel European shows after concluding that international touring in 2022 isn’t economically viable (October 2022)
• Lorde is the latest artist to discuss the challenges of touring in 2022 (November 2022)
• Ed Sheeran discusses impact of ‘Shape Of You litigation after winning song-theft battle (April 2022)
• Beyonce samples Show Me Love on first Renaissance single (June 2022)
• Beyonce removes ‘Milkshake’ interpolation from new track following criticism from Kelis (August 2022)
• Beyonce denies interpolating Right Said Fred track without permission (October 2022)
• Universal Music wants Bang sanctioned over deleted TikTok videos (August 2022)
• Bang infringed Sony Music’s rights in social media videos, court confirms (September 2022)
• Now Warner Music sues Bang over the unlicensed music in its TikTok videos September 2022)
• YouTube launches new music micro-licensing service for its video creators (September 2022)
ALSO MENTIONED
• The battle for Christmas number one has commenced
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• Upcoming CMU webinars
• Buy MMF and CMU Insights’ Dissecting The Digital Dollar book on Amazon
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Duration:00:39:43
MPs ask for an update on the "complete reset of streaming”
11/21/2022
CMU’s Andy Malt and Chris Cooke review key events in music and the music business from the last week, including last week's Digital, Culture, Media & Sport Select Committee hearing, which saw music industry experts and representatives updating MPs about the work that has been ongoing within the music community since the committee published its report last year on the economics of music streaming.
STORIES DISCUSSED THIS WEEK
• Artist remuneration remains a key sticking point as MPs return to the economics of streaming debate
• DCMS Economics Of Streaming Inquiry timeline
ALSO MENTIONED
• Music consumption at all time high powered by streaming and video apps
• IFPI Engaging With Music report 2022 (ifpi.org)
• MMF Song Royalties Manifesto (themmf.net)
• Watch the DCMS select committee hearing (parliamentlive.tv)
• CMU Podcast: Spotify mechanicals, BBC pay, BBC music show with guest presenter Becky Brook (July 2017)
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• Upcoming CMU webinars
• Buy MMF and CMU Insights’ Dissecting The Digital Dollar book on Amazon
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• Listen to the full Setlist theme tune
Duration:00:47:07
Drake and 21 Savage ordered to destroy fake Vogue cover
11/14/2022
CMU’s Andy Malt and Chris Cooke review key events in music and the music business from the last week, including Drake and 21 Savage being sued by magazine publisher Condé Nast for trademark infringement over a fake Vogue cover that formed part of the promotional campaign for their new collaborative album ‘Her Loss’, plus Lorde's discussion of the challenges facing the live music sector at the moment and how for an increasing number of artists the economics of touring currently don’t add up.
SECTION TIMES
01: Drake and 21 Savage (00:05:16)
02: Lorde (00:20:03)
(Timings may be slightly different due to adverts)
STORIES DISCUSSED THIS WEEK
• Condé Nast sues over Drake and 21 Savage fake Vogue cover
• New York court orders Drake and 21 Savage to stop distributing their fake Vogue cover
• Lorde is the latest artist to discuss the challenges of touring in 2022
ALSO MENTIONED
• Upcoming CMU webinars
• Setlist: Why is touring becoming economically unviable for more artists? (17 Oct 2022)
MORE FROM CMU
• Buy MMF and CMU Insights’ Dissecting The Digital Dollar book on Amazon
• Sign up to receive the CMU Daily news bulletin
• Listen to the full Setlist theme tune
Duration:00:27:13
Has music copyright “never had it so good”?
11/7/2022
CMU’s Andy Malt and Chris Cooke review key events in music and the music business from the last week, including former Spotify economist Will Page's claim that “music copyright has never had it so good”, with – by his calculations – the value of the wider music rights business now almost $40 billion worldwide, and the changes over at Amazon Prime Music with more music but less functionality.
SECTION TIMES
01: Will Page report (00:09:15)
02: Amazon Music (00:28:04)
(Timings may be slightly different due to adverts)
STORIES DISCUSSED THIS WEEK
• Will Page says “music copyright has never had it so good” as global revenues reach almost $40 billion
• Amazon shuffles its Prime Music offer, full 100 million track catalogue now available
ALSO MENTIONED
• BBC celebrates 70 years of singles chart by playing most streamed track released each year
• Listen to the full Setlist theme tune
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• Buy MMF and CMU Insights’ Dissecting The Digital Dollar book on Amazon
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Duration:00:41:43
Noise complaints still threatening live music
10/31/2022
CMU’s Andy Malt and Chris Cooke review key events in music and the music business from the last week, including Manchester music venue the Night & Day Café continuing to fight against a Noise Abatement Notice served by Manchester City Council last year, and 5 Seconds Of Summer’s feelings about winning the Worst Band prize at the NME Awards three years in a row.
SECTION TIMES
01: Night & Day Café (00:09:52)
02: 5 Seconds Of Summer (00:26:14)
(Timings may be slightly different due to adverts)
STORIES DISCUSSED THIS WEEK
• Manchester music venue Night & Day Café facing closure as it continues to fight noise complaint
• 5 Seconds Of Summer discuss being voted Worst Band at NME Awards three times
ALSO MENTIONED
• Apple Music increases baseline subscription rate to 10.99
• Night & Day Café petition (Change.org)
• James Blunt demands NME award he won thirteen years ago (May 2019)
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• Upcoming CMU webinars
• Buy MMF and CMU Insights’ Dissecting The Digital Dollar book on Amazon
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Duration:00:41:06
How much will promoters lose from the Festicket collapse?
10/24/2022
CMU’s Andy Malt and Chris Cooke review key events in music and the music business from the last week, including confirmation from Festicket's administrators that a number of the promoters who worked with the collapsed ticketing company are insisting that the money it collected for their shows and events was meant to be held in trust although it wasn't, and the news that all seven members of BTS will serve their two years of military service in South Korea after all.
SECTION TIMES
01: Festicket (00:05:32)
02: BTS (00:20:37)
(Timings may be slightly different due to adverts)
STORIES DISCUSSED THIS WEEK
• Festicket did not hold promoters’ ticket sale monies in trust, administrators confirm
• BTS confirm that they will carry out military service in South Korea
ALSO MENTIONED
• Little Simz wins 2022 Mercury Prize
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• Upcoming CMU webinars
• Buy MMF and CMU Insights’ Dissecting The Digital Dollar book on Amazon
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Duration:00:34:33
Why is touring becoming economically unviable for more artists?
10/17/2022
CMU’s Andy Malt and Chris Cooke review key events in music and the music business from the last week, including Animal Collective's announcement that they are cancelling their European tour, which was due to take place next month, explaining that – while preparing for the shows – they realised they were looking at “an economic reality that simply does not work and is not sustainable”, plus Mike Batt’s revelation that he’s destroyed his original multitrack tapes for the music he made as The Wombles to stop anyone remastering his work.
STORIES DISCUSSED THIS WEEK
• Animal Collective cancel European shows after concluding that international touring in 2022 isn’t economically viable
• Mike Batt destroyed the Wombles master tapes so that they can’t be remixed after he dies
ALSO MENTIONED
• Coachella sues Afrochella for trademark infringement
• Santigold cancels US tour: “I will not continue to sacrifice myself for an industry that has become unsustainable”
• Deezer releases AI tool to split tracks into individual parts (November 2019)
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• Buy MMF and CMU Insights’ Dissecting The Digital Dollar book on Amazon
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• Listen to the full Setlist theme tune
Duration:00:35:39
Did the Tories infringe M People's copyright?
10/10/2022
CMU’s Andy Malt and Chris Cooke review key events in music and the music business from the last week, including M People's anger at Liz Truss walking on stage at the Conservative Party conference to their song 'Moving On Up' and whether or not her doing so was copyright infringement, plus Apple Music's big brag that it now has over 100 million tracks available for users to listen to.
STORIES DISCUSSED THIS WEEK
• M People hit out as Liz Truss walks on stage to Moving On Up
• Apple Music catalogue passes 100 million tracks
ALSO MENTIONED
• CMU Insights copyright training (for any Conservative MPs reading)
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• Upcoming CMU webinars
• Buy MMF and CMU Insights’ Dissecting The Digital Dollar book on Amazon
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Duration:00:38:45
Will data developments get songwriters paid?
10/3/2022
CMU’s Andy Malt and Chris Cooke review key events in music and the music business from the last week, including songs rights data announcements that saw PRS For Music in the UK set out plans to launch a new online portal that will provide easy access to key data linked to the songs catalogue it represents and American collecting society MLC launch a new tool that allows music distributors to easily access data on unclaimed mechanical royalties in the US for over two million recordings, plus Pusha T's latest entry into the world of corporate diss tracks.
STORIES DISCUSSED THIS WEEK
• PRS announces plans for new portal offering easy access to song rights data
• MLC launches unmatched royalty identification tool
• Pusha T drops second McDonald’s diss track
ALSO MENTIONED
• Listen to the full Setlist theme tune
• The Great Escape announces First Fifty shows and 2023 CMU+TGE themes
• Buy your TGE delegate pass
• Dissecting The Digital Dollar reports
• Pusha T - Spicy Fish Diss Track
• Pusha T - Rib Roast
• Pusha T’s New Diss Track Is an Arby’s Ad. Here’s Why He’s Laughing All the Way to the Bank (Rolling Stone, March 2022)
• The Contentious Tale of the McDonald’s “I’m Lovin’ It” Jingle (Pitchfork, July 2016)
• Pusha T McDonald's advert (2003)
• Arby's x Pusha T merch
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• Buy MMF and CMU Insights’ Dissecting The Digital Dollar book on Amazon
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Duration:00:34:18