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The podcast dedicated to family business. Providing interviews and insights to help your family business thrive.

The podcast dedicated to family business. Providing interviews and insights to help your family business thrive.
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The podcast dedicated to family business. Providing interviews and insights to help your family business thrive.




Ep. 51 - Preparing for Succession

Rochelle Clarke, global strategist and business succession expert, helps family businesses overcome barriers to succession transitions. With nearly 20 years of professional experience, Rochelle combines a variety of best practices and practical solutions to balance strategic thinking and operational practicality for businesses of all sizes. Succession Strength was founded by Global Strategist and Business Succession Expert, Rochelle Clarke. With an MBA from The Wharton School of Business...


Ep. 50 - What is Family Business Consulting?

It gets a bit emotional in this episode but we are emotional beings and this can be especially so when you work with your family. John Tucker is a colleague, a mentor and importantly a friend. He has been working with family businesses for almost 30 years and he explains in this podcast why he does what he does and how. John's methodology, which I have been fortunate enough to develop myself, is based on a combination of Process Consulting and Systems Thinking and this combination...


Ep. 49 - Disruption with Prof. John A Davis

The word disruption can have negative connotations, it can make you feel uncomfortable and wary. But, it can also be an opportunity to change, an opportunity to pivot and embrace change. In this episode we speak with Prof. John A Davis on MIT Sloan bout his new role, what his research on disruption shows and how firms can adapt to this. We also discuss the impact of increased longevity on family firms and tips to help. We also chat to John about what he means when he says that...


Ep. 48 - Cobblers! The Timpson Group Story

Timpson is one of the most recognised names on the UK High Street and Sir John Timpson, as Chairman of the business founded by his great grandfather chats to us about the management style adopted at the businesses over 2,000 branches. In this interview I chat to Sir John about the history of the business, the fantastic culture that has been created and the challenges that were faced in convincing management that it was a good idea. We also talk about Sir John and his late wife, Alex....


Ep. 47 - Pitfalls of Leadership

Caroline Gourlay is an independent Business Psychologist. Since qualifying in 1997 she has worked with a diverse range of organisations in the public and private sectors, either directly or as an associate of larger consultancies. In this episode we discuss the pitfalls that can impact on leadership and how to avoid these pitfalls. Some of these are specific to family business others are more general pitfalls that seem to impact on most businesses and Caroline offers some fantastic...


Ep. 46 - Transparency and Engagement

Here in the UK there are some new rules coming into force in January that are primarily aimed at large privately owned businesses. This will include many family owned businesses and so we speak to Matt Timmons and Suzi Woolfson from PwC about what these changes are and what they mean for your business. If you are a smaller business that isn't affected, or based outside the UK it is still worth a listen as these rules seem to be encouraging transparency and other measures that could be...


Ep. 45 - The 100 year old Family Business

No business remains the same after a 100-year journey. Every long-lasting family enterprise learns how to navigate developmental and business crises as it crosses generations. Dennis' paper presents the business journeys of the nearly 100 long-lasting families in our study. Their resilience stems from continual innovation and transformation. We look at their major transformations—harvesting, pruning, diversifying and grounding—and at how the family is able to build an adaptive,...


Ep. 44 - Trapped in the Family Business

There are lots and lots of articles and websites that rightly highlight the huge positives of working with your family, but very often we hear from people who are feeling trapped and isolated within the family business. Michael is the founder of MK Insights, LLC and has 17+ years of experience as a consultant, assessment specialist, business coach, and facilitator. In his book 'Trapped in the Family Business' Michael shares experiences of those family members he has worked with that feel...


Ep. 43 - The Three Circle Model - 40 years on

Professor John A. Davis, FFI Fellow, is a pioneer in the family enterprise field and a globally recognised authority on family enterprise, family wealth and family office topics. He has created some of the most impactful concepts and frameworks used in the field. In 2018, he joined the MIT Sloan School of Management faculty to build an innovative portfolio of family enterprise programs, after leading the family enterprise area at Harvard Business School for more than 20 years. He is also...


Ep. 42 - The Family Business Network

We often hear that family businesses can feel isolated as they do not have a support network or peers that they can speak to. The Family Business Network is a support network in Cumbria, Lancashire and now Yorkshire providing family businesses with a safe space to share their challenges. We speak to Sue Howorth and Dave Clarkson to hear about what support is available. We discuss the importance of a network that can support families on a business and individual level. The use of Insight...


Ep. 41 - Successful Generations with Ellie Frey Zagel

Ellie Frey Zagel is 3rd Generation, Vice Chair and Trustee of her family’s foundation the Frey Foundation based in Grand Rapids, MI. For nearly a decade she has been deeply involved in working with the next generation of family business, family philanthropy, and family wealth, first as Director of the Family Business Alliance and now as President of Successful Generations, a company she recently founded. We talk about the importance of raising financially responsible children and the work...


Ep. 40 - Redefining Success for Family Businesses

Greg McCann is the founder, principal and leader of an international family enterprise consulting firm that create workshops, consults, publishes, and innovates on issues of importance to family enterprises. In this episode we draw on Greg's expertise and discuss Vertical Leadership and how we define success. We talk about why 'knowing more' is not enough for leaders in the modern world. We discuss exponential change and the impact that this is going to have on businesses. You can find...


Ep. 39 - Assessments and their use in Leadership Development

Natalie McVeigh is an expert in Leadership Development, she is both a practitioner and a member of the Family Firm Institute Faculty. In this episode we discuss the use of assessments in helping to develop leaders within the Family Business. Natalie speaks to us about acumen, about where to start when looking at assessments, the role culture plays in a business and clarifies that these are assessments and not tests! We talk about attitude versus aptitude and the fact that data tells a...


Ep. 38 - Leadership and Loyalty with Dov Baron

Dov Baron has twice been cited as one of Inc. Magazine’s Top 100 Leadership Speakers to hire. He is a master storyteller, who has had the honour of presenting for The World Business Conference in Tehran as well as speaking for the State Department, and The United Nations on Leadership. He is considered by many as the leading authority on Authentic Leadership, and the founder of Full Monty Leadership and The Authentic Speaker Academy for Leadership. Dov is also a bestselling author of...


Ep. 37 - A chat with Ramia El Agamy

Ramia is the co-founder of Orbis Terra Media, the Editor-in-Chief of Tharawat Magazine, a fellow podcast host and all round family business champion. We chat to her about the incredible resources that her and her family have created. We discuss the Tharawat Family Business Forum, Women in Family Business as well as digitalisation, trends in family business from around the world. You can find out more about Tharawat Magazine here: You can follow them on...


Ep. 36 - Steps to Succession

In 2008 Howard escaped from Grant Thornton UK LLP, where he had been a partner for over 25 years, to establish his own boutique practice. We speak to Howard about his experiences of succession planning, the good the bad and the ugly. We also discuss how to start the process of choosing a successor and the characteristics that Howard used in his days on the selection team for Partners at Grant Thornton. We ask the question of what to do if there is no one within the family who is willing...


Ep.35 - Employee Ownership Trusts

Ovation Finance are a firm of financial planners in Bristol. It was set up by Chris Budd and has very recently been sold to an Employee Ownership Trust. Chris talks to us about the steps that he took in order to prepare for this transition. This includes the four elements of the eternal pyramid and also the personal challenges that he faced. When considering succession planning an Employee Ownership Trust may not be something that immediately springs to mind but in this episode we look at...


Ep. 34 - The Power of Conversation

Ian Marsh returns to the show for a second time following his previous discussion on episode 5 about the importance of communication. We build on that in this episode and discuss the fascinating topics he covers in his new book 'If it is so good to talk, why is it so hard?' We discuss why people put off important conversations, particularly with their families and what we can do to improve the conversations we are having. We ask what the benefits might be of daydreaming and whether it is...


Ep. 33 - Culture, the HMG Paint Story

We first met Jonathan at the FBU Conference. We had a brief chat following his presentation and during that chat I cheekily asked for a full episode and I am really pleased to say that Jonathan has agreed to a full interview. In this chat we discuss the importance of culture, the positive impact this can have on the family business and also how every business should do more to improve their local community. Jonathan speaks passionately about the family business and his enthusiasm is...


Ep. 32 - Founder Succession

We speak with Elle Hansen, Mairi Mickel and Jim Hutcheson about the particular challenges facing family business founders when it comes to succession planning. Elle and Jim work at Regeneration Partners in Dallas, Texas and Mairi is a Family Business Consultant with her own business based in Scotland. We all got together on a Friday morning in a basement flat in London to chat over a coffee about this subject matter. We look at the challenges facing founders and the fact that the 'founder'...