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This the podcast where a few people talk about how the gospel is good news for everybody every day.

This the podcast where a few people talk about how the gospel is good news for everybody every day.
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This the podcast where a few people talk about how the gospel is good news for everybody every day.






Episode 42: The Codependency Complication

Friendship questions are some of the top inquiries we receive at HIMH. Is it biblical to have a best friend? At what point does a friendship turn codependent? What can we do about it? We cover it with codependency expert, Kelly Needham--someone who loves friendship so much she's writing a book about it. (And if you recognize that last name, it's because she is married to Christian worship artist, Jimmy Needham! A little fact we didn't know until 60 seconds before recording... Our bad.) We...


Episode 41: A Gender Conversation

We have two incredible stories for you today: One is of Kat LaPrairie, who identifies as transgender and experiences attractions toward women. Kat came out as gay after high school and had serial dating relationships with women for a decade. In those years, Kat woke up many nights "gasping for God." The other story is of a mom, Kathi Bush. Kathi is a clinical therapist and mom to a son who wrestles with gender dysphoria. Kathi shares not only pieces of her journey with her son, but...


Episode 40: The Thing About Temptation

Friends: This is a story you 're not going to want to miss. Our guest, Rachel Gilson, wrote an article for Christianity today that was both award-winning and one of the most-read articles of 2017. When you hear her share her story of the gospel's good news for her here, you'll understand why. The story includes girlfriends, binge drinking, and a stolen copy of ​Mere Christianity. Rachel also shares about the gospel's right-now good newsiness in her walk with ongoing temptation. Because we...


Episode 39: Envy, Pride, and Leadership

Are we all leaders because of social media? How does social media play into the struggle with envy? When does pride get mixed up into that? (And what's the relationship to all of this and self-hatred?) We explore it with pastor, author, and speaker Adam Barr. We also walk with tauntauns, wampas, (and therefore the relationship between Star Wars and Dr. Seuss), and Matt Krieg brings the Goofball Island game for the first time. Woot! Highlights: "Prayer and pride are inversely proportional....


Episode 38: Gender and Jesus

Dr. Preston Sprinkle is in the house! ​We are hitting the New York Times bestseller with all the hard questions: What is your Enneagram number? What's your Hogwarts house? Where did the phrase "kick the bucket" come from? AFTER ALL OF DAT, we do talk a bit about God's design for gender, premarital sex (what does the Bible say?), and when to speak truth in love. Highlight: "Our leadership has to be consistently promoting and embodying a counter-cultural way of doing community that is really...


Episode 37: The Gospel Comes with a House Key

We have a controversial guest on our podcast today: Rosaria Butterfield. Some of you may not know why she might be controversial; some of you may write off this podcast forever as a result of our interview. Give me us minute to explain why we intentionally invited her: The world is increasingly becoming post-Christian. We need other Christians. We need to link arms with other believers (even if we disagree with pieces of what they say) so that the gospel is preached. If you give this one a...


Episode 36: 20-Somethings and Discipleship

Did you or do you feel lost in your 20s? Lonely? ​Our guest, Drew Boa, asked (and still asks) in his 20s, "What is my purpose? Who are my people? Where do I belong?" Let's dive into that 20-something lostness, and talk about feeling lost in general. Then, let's explore how we can get anchored. Highlights: "[The gospel] is still good news for me today because even though I'm married, I have a daughter, and I'm living in beautiful Santa Barbara, I still feel lonely. I still feel the need for...


Episode 35: How We Heal Part 2

The hearty portion of this week's podcast is all about authenticity and intimacy: How can we be authentic without over-sharing? Can pastors/leaders be authentic? Should they be? How do emotional, physical, and spiritual intimacy relate to marriage and friendship? We are very heavy-handed with the goofball part of the show: In a fight between Eleven from Stranger Things and Hermione Granger from Harry Potter, who would win? Would you rather lose your texting ability or have to use dial-up...


Episode 34: How We Heal

Eh, boy. Here we go again! Getting vulnerable. ​As a follow-up to the now infamous (and most listened-to) Episode 24: Is There Hope for Us?, Matt and I [Laurie] give an update on our marriage's healing journey. We get really real. We pray you are only blessed by it. We also talk men's and women's ministries/conferences/retreats and the gifts and drawbacks of them, and I do a HILARIOUS round of Mom Jokes regarding cold weather. (I'm begging you to laugh.) Highlight: "The problem for me was...


Episode 33: Sexual Discipleship

Who comes to your mind when you think about mentors or disciple-makers? Who comes to mind when you think about sexual discipleship? Anybody? Whether or not we realize it, we are discipled by the world. We learn the significance of sex, its importance (or lack thereof), and how to approach it by the world. We need another way. Our friend and co-laborer in the Kingdom, Dr. Juli Slattery, author, speaker, and podcaster walks us through a beautiful start of this conversation and some...


Episode 32: Guiding Families

Friends: If you haven't ever listened to our podcast, start here! We have a special guest, Bill Henson, who is a spirit-filled well of wisdom. If you are a parent of an LGBT+ child, a Christian leader who wants to be more inclusive (while still holding to a historically Christian view), identify as LGBT+, or simply care about LGBT+ people, this one is for you. In addition to talking about walking with LGBT+ friends and family, we also talk about the first time we learned we were...


Episode 31: How to Talk with the Kids

It sends terror through all parents: How do we talk with the kids about sexuality? Yikes. How do we? We bring our first returning guest, Dr. Branson Parler, Professor of Theological Studies at Kuyper College, and Director of Faith Formation at Fourth Reformed Church in Grand Rapids, MI, to talk about it with us. In addition to his theological cred, he brings real-life walking with his five kids, ages 9, 7, 5, 3, and 1. ​What we share here is important ground work, and (I hope) specific...


HIMH Pod Ep30 Mixdown

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Episode 29: It Takes a Village

Youth leaders, this one is for you. We talk with our guest and New York City youth pastor, Ray Low, about his journey with sexuality and how his youth pastor walked with him well. We also talk a lot about what it is like to be a double minority as an Asian American and a sexual minority. This was an important conversation we were honored to have. Favorite quotes: "[At church] I saw a different kind of community that had a different kind of purpose. That's when the gospel started to make...


Episode 28: A New Voice

We laughed a lot on this one. We cracked up, and went to deep heart places with Nate Collins, special guest, author, and executive director of the Revoice Conference. We chatted about starstruck moments (who almost got taken down by Francis Chan's security team, hmmm, LAURIE?!), smelling like bourbon, identity, and giving the historically Christian LGBT+ conversation a new voice in the local church. A favorite quote: "The way the gospel is good news for me now," Nate said, "is by living...


Episode 27: What's Really Best for the Kids?

So...shocker: Parenting is hard. Also, life is hard. Today, we follow up with the brutally honest "Episode 24: Is There Hope for Us?" as well as discuss how we, as bleeding-heart parents, can be on mission (to make disciples) with our kids without hurting their hearts... How do we do that? Question of the Week: What is your biggest takeaway from this book? Goofball Island: What was your favorite childhood TV show? Helpful Links: ​ Laurie's post: The Day I Became Wonder Woman...


Episode 26: Marriage: What Is It Good For?

We have another guest! Dr. Branson Parler! To go with his movie star name and phD, Branson is FULL OF WISDOM! This was one of those conversations where Producer Steve, Matt, and I looked at each other while recording with our jaws dropped. ​He answered a lot of questions we had about the relationship between sexuality, married people, single people, and the Church. Quotable Highlights: "Paul can say, 'Stay single,' ...because the church is functioning as a family." "Our bodies matter....


Episode 23: Learn to Fight Well

We talk birthday, which childhood movie traumatized you, and what have you said to friends when they say they can't "feel" and/or hear God's voice? Here's good ol' Francis laying it down per usual: “I hear people complain that they don’t feel Jesus with them, they don’t experience the Holy Spirit. I usually ask them: Are you busy making disciples? ...​ If I want to find my friend Andrew, I can usually find him a​t the gym. If I want to find Adam, he’s probably at the beach. If I want to...


Episode 22: Learn to Fight Well

​Matt, Producer Steve, and I (Laurie) have a guest! We asked last week for feedback on this marriage book and conversation from single people, and my friend Joie VanHolstein answered the call! We chat about how we have seen Jesus romance us lately, and which game show (or reality show) we would unquestionably win (and which we would undoubtedly fail). The Heart of the Matter focuses on fighting through humility, how people who have been affected by trauma can "die to self" without getting...


Episode 21: Pursue the Perfect Marriage

Matt Krieg, Producer Steve and I (Laurie Krieg) chat about chapter two of Francis and Lisa Chan's book 'You and Me Forever.' Per usual deep and silly conversations ensue including: What's up with drivers in the Midwest? {and} What would our marriages look like IRL if the gospel was on display in them?