Instructional Redesign Podcast

Cara North returns from San Diego after attending the ATD 2023 conference. This episode is a recap of her experience at the event, advice on what one might expect at a large conference, and tips to convince a manager to attend one. Connect with Cara & Joe Support the show LnDTees.com Learning & Development themed swag IRD.LnDTees.com Instructional Redesign podcast swag Music created by Jahzzar.

Cara North and Joseph Suarez are back in Ohio after spending several days in Las Vegas, NV for the 2022 DevLearn conference hosted by the Learning Guild. In this episode, they recap their experiences and take-a-ways as well as provide advice for future attendees. Links: DevLearn ConferenceThe Learning Guild Connect with Cara & JoeSupport the showLnDTees.com Learning & Development themed swagIRD.LnDTees.com Instructional Redesign podcast swag Music created by Jahzzar.

Hosting and Managing Virtual Events Matt Pierce is a Learning and Video Ambassador at Techsmith where he is, among other things, the lead for TechSmith Academy a free online learning platform. You may also know Matt as being the host of The Visual Lounge, a regular live YouTube series produced by Techsmith. Joe talks to him about what it's like working in front of the camera so often and what lessons he's learned. Links: Techsmith Academy https://academy.techsmith.com/Techsmith (YouTube) https://www.youtube.com/c/techsmith/videosMatt on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewrpierceMatt on Twitter https://twitter.com/piercemr

Bringing Joy to the Craft of Instructional Design Karl Richter is the owner of Elearning Blends. He chats with Joe about his unique approach to create custom eLearning that blends online training with classroom experiences, and performance support tools. Links eLearning Blends https://elearningblends.com/eLearning Blends (YouTube) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7RYCY3a7BWFk4V81htAnuAKarl on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/elearningblends/Karl on Twitter https://twitter.com/elearningblends/

The Benefits of User Research Roberta Dombrowski is VP of User Reseach at a company called User Interviews where she builds a scalable, efficient, and decision-driven research practice. Joe talks with her about where L&D and UX Research intertwine and where it merely boils down to semantics. Links User Interviews https://www.userinterviews.com/Roberta on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertadombrowskiRoberta on Twitter https://twitter.com/robertalearns

Transitioning from Teaching to Instructional Design Joe speaks with Learning and Development leader and host of the BLOC Podcast, Hedi Kirby. She shares her recent job search experience and her previous transition from a teacher to instructional designer. Links: BLOC Podcast https://open.spotify.com/show/5YGQtyZ18YNd8HQN5UCaNNTLDC: Making the Most of the Unknown - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrw4bU3fi84Heidi on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/heidiekirby/

The Power of Code and Custom Development Joe and Cara speak with Jeff Batt, owner of Learning Dojo and Program Manager at The Learning Guild. They dig into why web and mobile development matters more than you may think, and discuss why you might consider a custom developed solution over using an authoring tool. Links: Learning Dojo https://learningdojo.ninja/Learning Dojo (YouTube) https://www.youtube.com/c/LearningDojoJeff on Twitter:Jeff on LinkedIn:DevLearn https://devlearn.com/

Considerations for Animated Video Tom McDowall joins Joe Suarez to chat about the wealth of L&D themed online content and events he's putting into the world, not least of which being the IDTX 2.0 conference in February 2022. They then shift into the main topic of discussion - what to consider when planning animated videos as a learning solution. Specifically, Tom answers when it makes sense to use them, how to go about producing them, and whether to do them in-house or contract it out. Links: IDTX Conference Feb 10-12, 2022Instructional Design Tips (IDT) YouTube ChanneleLearning NetworkTom on LinkedIn Tom on Twitter

Leading Creative Teams Cara and Joe speak with Jonathan Couser, founder of Arch Impacts, a firm dedicated to helping leaders move along the path toward leading legacies worth repeating not deleting. Jonathan shares his experience and advice around the art and science of leading a team of creative professionals. Jonathan on LinkedInBook: Creative People Must Be StoppedThe Crazy One - Podcast from Stephen GatesEpisode 69: How to fight imposter syndromeConnect with Cara & JoeSupport the showLnDTees.com Learning & Development themed swagIRD.LnDTees.com Instructional Redesign podcast swag Music created by Jahzzar.

Joe Suarez interviews Matthew Confer who is VP of Strategy and Business Development at Abilitie (pronounced ability), an experiential learning company based in Austin, Texas. They discuss various aspects of leadership, decision making, and Matthew's role at Abilitie facilitating leadership simulations. Matthew is also the the host of the Learn to Lead podcast which recently featured Cara North as a guest. Matthew on LinkedInMatthew of Twitter (@matthewconifer)Matthew's TEDx TalkAbilitieLearn to Lead podcastCara North interviewed on Learn to Lead Connect with Cara & JoeSupport the showLnDTees.com Learning & Development themed swagIRD.LnDTees.com Instructional Redesign podcast swag

As part 2 of our learning & development jobs series, Cara North shares her recent experience assuming the role of a hiring manager. While every organization is different and "your mileage may vary," the advice she provides should help L&D job seekers understand what to do, what not to do, and what a hiring manager may be expecting of job candidates throughout the hiring process. Resources shared: TLDC episode recording: Confessions Of An ID Hiring ManagerJob search and career advice from Andrew LaCivita on YouTubeTLDC Job Seeker Series Connect with Cara & JoeSupport the showLnDTees.com Learning & Development themed swagIRD.LnDTees.com Instructional Redesign podcast swag Music created by Jahzzar. Episode Transcript: Joseph Suarez 0:01Welcome, everybody to the instructional Redesign podcast. This is our second part on our job seeker series. Last episode, I talked about the job seekers perspective. And today Cara is going to walk through the point of view of a hiring manager. It's a process that she just went through in her new role as a learning and development manager. So, Cara, why don't you talk about your experience? Cara North 0:25Okay, so I will tell you that, at least for me, I was probably as equally nervous as the job candidates, because I know what it's like kind of being on the other side of the interview process. So what I thought I would kind of demystify and talk about today, with the caveat of your mileage may vary, it's going to look different at different organizations. And I did go further into depth on this, I did also have a TLDC episode about it: Confessions of a Hiring Manager. So we'll share the link to that as well. I think that will Lisa's working on putting that up on YouTube. But before I even talk about the interview, let's talk a little bit about how you get to the interview. So as you all can imagine, and hopefully appreciate when we have positions open, at least at my org, and then I'm sure other orgs as well, we get a lot of interest, and we get a lot of resumes. So for this position, I was really excited about it, obviously, I'm still kind of new to the company, and I'm looking to start building my team. And so I was really excited. And I wanted to share it everywhere. So when the job posting went live, I shared it on my LinkedIn, my Twitter, and then my own personal Facebook. And let me just say, Joe, I was a little bit surprised by some of the stuff that happened when I did that. So Case in point, I got a lot of people sending me their resumes, asking me to apply to the job for them. I got some people who applied for the job and then said, Hey, now that I applied for the job, can I schedule my interview now, but probably hands down, the most surprising thing that happened is I actually tweeted something along the lines of you know, just because I'm connected with you on social media, it doesn't really entitle you to my time because I got inundated with just messages from people about I want to talk to you about this job. Blah, blah, blah. And it's not that I didn't want to talk to people, but it was just kind of the forcefulness and some people actually demanded my time. And so that's kind of where I drew a line. So I tweeted about that. And it got picked up by a recruiter group on Facebook, who basically roasted me and cut me down pretty hard. And so that was really, really eye opening. Joseph Suarez 3:01Yeah, you know, it's, it's tough right now for a lot of people and the job market is tight. And that means that people have to be doing some things to stand above the competition. But there's still a fine line between doing something that makes you stand out and behavior that kind of portrays yourself in a negative light as a job seeker, you're not really in a position to demand anything, and you come across too many as a very friendly person. But that doesn't give that person that perhaps is connected with you any more have a leg up than than anyone else,

After his recent experience finding a new job in 2019 and being let go in 2020, Joe Suarez decided to turn his misfortune into opportunity and share his lessons learned with others in the learning & development field. That kicked off a 4 part TLDC Job Seeker series. This episode of the podcast is a summary of his presentations along with helpful interjections and resources shared by co-host Cara North. Resources mentioned: TLDC Job Seeker SeriesArticulate's eLearning Heroes ChallengesKristin Anthony's GoDesignSomething.co Learning Guild's 2018 Global Salary & Compensation reportDevlin Peck's 2020 Instructional Designer Salary ReportSimplyhired.com - job search site with estimated salary ranges Connect with Cara & JoeSupport the showLnDTees.com Learning & Development themed swagIRD.LnDTees.com Instructional Redesign podcast swag Music created by Jahzzar. Episode Transcript: Cara North 0:01Today on instructional redesign podcast, we're gonna be talking jobs, jobs, and more jobs with Joe Suarez. So if you missed Joe's series on it TLDCast, he had a wonderful four part series about seeking jobs during this time. And he has a lot of great sage advice, pandemic or no pandemic of great things that you should be doing in your job seeking journey. And today, what we're going to do is we're just going to do a quick recap of some of the things that Joe talked about, see if he still recommends a lot of the same things he talked about a few months ago, and maybe also talk about the future and what that potential looks like. That sounds like a plan to you, Joe. Joseph Suarez 0:48That definitely sounds like a plan. Let's do it. Cara North 0:51Alright, let's go. Joseph Suarez 0:53Alright. So as Cara mentioned, I did a four part series on TLDC, around job seeking. And, you know, part of the reason I did this is because I went through a month long process in both 2019 and 2020, to find a job. And I was hoping the the 2019, one would have would have stuck a little longer. But unfortunately, I was only enrolled for five months. And they had to lay some of us off because of the financial impacts of the pandemic. So I found myself looking for a job again. And I realized that in that moment, that I was in a better position than most I had just gone through this, I felt very confident that I was going to be able to either find something, another full time job or be able to just start freelancing become full time self employed. But I knew others weren't in such a strong position. And I wanted to do something about that. And I figured I could share some some of what I know, with people. And ultimately, I landed on doing the TLDC series. So to start things off, I just want to look at things very big picture and just open with a very simple, I don't mean it to be condescending, but just ask the question, what is the job. And I think it's important to open with that, and understand that a job is basically a contract between two parties, an employer and an employee. So the employee agrees to perform some specified tasks or duties for the employer. And in return, the employee is given some compensation. And this is a contract that can be ended by either party at any time, obviously, the employer can can quit and leave the role, the employer can let the person go. And as long as they're following the laws and regulations in whatever locality they're in, that's perfectly fine. Obviously, what happened to me was, I was let go during the pandemic, and part one of my series was just talking about my experience, but also what others can do, if they suspect they might be about to go through the same thing, and what are the warning signs to see if perhaps they're about to be laid off. Also, I gave some advice for people for what they can do during the layoff, which controlling their emotions and listening for key details that the HR representative or the manager that's letting the person go would would give out,

After a several month long hiatus, Cara North and Joe Suarez are back to bring listeners up to speed on what they have been up to, how their job statuses have changed, and announce new episodes and LnDtees.com. It's a swag shop for fun and snarky learning and development themed items and apparel. TLDC Job Seeker Series hosted by Joe Part 1: Moving On After Being Let GoPart 2: Searching & Applying for L&D JobsPart 3: Resumes & Portfolios (sorry for poor audio)Part 4: InterviewsDevLearn 2020LnDTees.com Learning & Development themed swagIRD.LnDTees.com Instructional Redesign podcast swagConnect with Cara & JoeSupport the show Music created by Jahzzar. Show Transcript: Coming soon

In this episode Cara sits down to converse with Ankit Shah, M.Ed who, as you will soon find out, is extremely passionate about diversity and inclusion (D&I). You can connect with Ankit on LinkedIn. Note: This conversation was recorded months before the major inflection point on race that has occurred across the United States. For another, more recent conversation between Cara and Ankit, check out the 7/1/20 TLDC Episode: How to Have Conversations About Race at Your Workplace. Connect with Cara & Joe Support the show Music created by Jahzzar. Show Transcript: Cara North 0:00Today, I am super excited to introduce to you all my friend Ankit Shah, who works here at The Ohio State University with me. And through our friendship, I have learned so much from him about diversity and inclusion. And I really felt that it was necessary for him to share some of his insights with you all. I really think you'll get a lot out of the today's episode. Ankit, thank you so much for being here. Ankit Shah 0:26Well, thank you for having me, Cara, Cara North 0:27of course. So can you share a little bit about your background? Ankit Shah 0:31Absolutely, absolutely. So I've been fortunate that in my entire career, I have been in education sector, starting with so I did my undergraduate and early child education. And after that I worked in all across k 12. So whether it's a public private charter, and I've also worked in Nevada, North Carolina, and Ohio. And so within those sectors, I worked with lots of underserved underrepresented populations in K 12. So I feel like that D&I has been part of my blood pretty much my entire career. And then around 2011, I went and got my first master's degree in higher education, administration, Student Affairs. And because the university that I went to had a really good program to help me learn about different institutional types, and so I do a lot of assistantships and internships across lots of different universities. And in that time, I've covered so many different diverse areas where there was student success and retention, academic advising, career coaching, research and assessment, those sorts of things. And after graduation, I did my first few years in career coaching, but even in my time and career coaching, I worked at two liberal arts. I worked at a community college and now I'm going to big 10 at The Ohio State. So in these populations that I got to serve, I serve veterans to residential to students with lots of different types of disabilities. You Name it. And in that time and indecent issues types, I literally look at the lens of P 20. And I've been fortunate that my career has allowed me to be all these different spaces. And currently I happen to be working at Ohio State as a career consultant in the alumni Career Management Office, where I served multi generational alumni across the age across the industry. And it's been amazing to see how now I've covered the entire lifespan. And the diversity equity inclusion has been part of my role the entire time and absolutely loving it. So knowing me, I'm a learner at strengths, I'm not done learning. And so I'm in my second graduate degree at Ohio State studying workforce development and education, but specializing in Adult Education and Human Resource Development. My current position has really taught me what it is to work with so many different types of people. And at the end, we're building relationships right? But all the different identities and especially having five generations in the workplace, how do we be your authentic self? And how do we bring who we are to work is driving me to be even more D&I space as I continue to do this work. Cara North 3:12I love it. And I have to say, I can totally vouch for again, everything that he said he is one of the most energetic people I think I've ever met. And I like to think I have a lot of energy. But he definitely is beating me in that department.

In this episode, Cara has a great conversation with self-proclaimed immersive experience designer, Betty Dannewitz. Betty's passion is to help people become better humans and believes innovative technology has an HUGE role in making that happen. Since this episode was recorded, she's started her own excellent podcast, If You Ask Betty. Check it out. Connect with Betty (ifyouaskbetty on social media)Connect with Cara & Joe Support the show Music created by Jahzzar. Show Transcript: North, Cara A. 0:00 Have you had a dream and you've just wondered how to execute it? Or do you feel like you are put on this planet to do a little bit more? Today we're talking to someone who I met via social media, and I'm sure you will fall in love with her as quickly as we have. Her name is Betty Dannewitz, and she is the owner of If you ask Betty. On today's episode of Instructional Redesign Podcast, we're going to talk with Betty about a lot of different topics. We're gonna talk about how she got to that point, maybe a little bit about her background, some of the work that she's done an augmented reality. But a real reason that I brought Betty on today's podcast is she really is innovative, and is a big inspiration to folks that are really scared of trying something new. So Betty, welcome so much to the Instructional Redesign podcast. Betty Dannewitz 0:52 Thanks so much for having me. I'm excited. North, Cara A. 0:54 Yeah, well, thank you again for being here. I guess I should introduce myself again, my name is Cara North. I am one of the hosts of Instructional Redesign podcast, stories and conversations about the modern learning experience. And like I said, I met Betty on I believe it was either LinkedIn, or Twitter and we just hit it off. I think she actually said, I think we should be friends. Is that how it happened? Betty Dannewitz 1:18 That's exactly how it happened yes I'm glad you recall that. North, Cara A. 1:22 Well, it's it's funny because you know, you put out so much stuff on social media and you don't know if any of it is really connecting with people. You don't know if it's an echo chamber, but it was great to meet Betty and actually got to meet her face to face at Devlearn in 2019. And it was it was pretty epic. So I want you all to get to know Betty a little bit better. So Betty, can you tell us a little bit about yourself? How did you get into the learning development space? Betty Dannewitz 1:48 Sure. I am an immersive experience designer, which is a title I've given myself, and I'm fine with that. I have been in corporate learning and development for like 17 years. So I started out working for a financial institution as a bank teller and worked my way up in the brick and mortar, and then transitioned over into training. And there's a longer story behind that. But anyways, I've been in training for 17 years learning and development, all those fancy words we want to use. I'm also a speaker, I'm a high performance coach, and content and curriculum consultant. So that's where you're talking about that innovation. I appreciate that wonderful comment. Wonderful compliment is a better word. I am I try to be innovative, you know, my passion, really, my mission is to help people become better humans. And I think I'm very strongly believe that innovative technology has a huge role in making that happen. North, Cara A. 2:47 I love that. And if you again, don't know about it, you don't follow her on social media, one thing that I was really taken very quickly with her is just her authenticity of what she shares. So I totally get a couple of different vibes when I read what Betty puts out there. The first vibe I get is definitely like a la Rosie The Riveter, because you just get this really kind of strong female perspective from everything that she puts out. Another influence I totally get from her is kind of that nurturing coach that really has your best interest at ...

Myths in Learning and Development There are many pervasive myths in the field of learning and development. Despite most being disproved, some continue to be promoted as fact. Some are even dangerously counter-productive to learning. In this episode, Cara and Joe discuss some of these common myths and share their perspectives. Connect with Cara & Joe Support the show Music created by Jahzzar. Show Transcript: North, Cara A. 0:01 They tickle our imagination. They invite others to make their own. They even create community around those who appreciate them. So why is it that myths in learning and development space aren't as beloved as tall tales, folklore and pop culture? Well, the answer is quite simply that they are dangerous to the profession that many of us love. Welcome to the Instructional ReDesign Podcast, stories and conversations about the modern learning experience. Suarez, Joseph 0:30 Is that the right one, about designing? North, Cara A. 0:42 I'm Cara North and today Joe and I are going to dive headfirst into some of these pervasive myths and explore their origins and what can be done to slay them. Now want to start with one that I kind of fell across in 2014 when I took a graduate class called adult learning. Now you have to remember, this was my first graduate class in the master's program, and I was eager to learn all about it. Now, about halfway through the course, I learned about a gentleman named Malcolm Knowles, who explained this term called andragogy. And andragogy is essentially kind of like the opposite of pedagogy. Andragogy is about how adults learn. And for him, this breakthrough was kind of again about that the adults do learn differently from children. Now, he used this approach of self directed learning. And he said that that was kind of the way that you should implement andragogy. He helped groups of students kind of take responsibility for their learning, they were able to be a part of the subject matter for the course. And he kind of had these four principles of andragogy that I just want to touch on really quick. So the first is basically that the adult learner needs to be involved. So they need to be involved somehow and kind of the planning and evaluation of their instructio. Two would be that adult learners experience also comes into play in the way that they learn. So experience and that can include, you know, good or bad provides kind of the basis for learning activities. Three would be relevance and impact into their lives. This would be classified as the what's in it for me effect. So why should adult learners care about this? And four is problem-centered. And so how is it that they're going to learn through a problem centered curriculum versus a content oriented. So this is more about applying what they already kind of have in their brain. Now, again, kind of going through this, there's kind of two ways to kind of understand this. So there was kind of these different resources and studies that were done that basically said the andragogy is more like the science and art of helping adults learn whereas pedagogy is like the art and science of teaching children so it's more on kind of your spoon fed you're telling of you know, this is the way this is. Two plus two equals four versus in an adult classroom it's more, okay, two plus two equals four. Why is that? Like, why do you think that is? How do you know that's true? So more kind of critical thinking cap is kind of the way that it was initially kind of put out there. So I'm in this class, Joe, and I'm like, okay, sure. I think that makes sense. I mean, it's coming from, you know, scholarship. It's coming from all of this Suarez, Joseph 3:25 Sounds logical. North, Cara A. 3:26 Yeah, seems logical, right? But let's think about this a little bit further. So for me, a couple things that I want to talk on about why this maybe

Cara interviews John Hinchliffe, Instructional Design Expert at UAEU. Connect with John Connect with Cara & Joe Support the show Music created by Jahzzar. Show Transcript: North, Cara A. 0:03 Hi listeners! It's one of your hosts, Cara North. And today I have a very special treat for you on the Instructional Redesign podcast. If you know me, you know that I love conferences. I love going to conferences for the knowledge, but equally as important are the people. Last year I had the opportunity to go to Devlearn, and I met a wonderful learning development professional, who I'm sure we can learn so much from his name is John Hinchliffe! John, welcome to Instructional Redesign podcast. Hinchliffe, John 0:36 Thank you very much. North, Cara A. 0:38 Again, a pleasure to have you. John is actually in the UAE is currently where he lives at and if you will, John, can you give our listeners just a little bit background about you and what you're currently up to? Hinchliffe, John 0:53 Yeah, sure thing. Thanks a lot for having me on here. Really big fan of it. Now when it comes to me I've been in learning and development for over 10 years now. And I started out as a face to face trainer for a bank and started to really develop into digital learning about seven years ago. So I started in instructional design, understanding kind of what words instructional design pedagogies started looking at authoring tools. Then I joined a fantastic e learning company with virtual college in the UK. And just really making wonderful pieces of E learning and just being given the freedom to really understand what works, what kind of really helps our customers. And I became instructional design manager there and I won Learning Professional of the Year Bronze when I was there, which was a wonderful thing. And I also joined as a volunteer position on the board of directors for the E Learning Network, which is one of the biggest nonprofits in the E learning industry had a really great time that just really helping people understand what they can do in the industry. How they can progress. And from there, I have now moved out here to the UAE I personally worked for the United Arab Emirates University as their instructional design expert. And I take care of around 700 members of faculty helping them evolve from just face to face learning to blended learning. So telling them you know, about how do we learn, but also how do we forget as human beings? And also what technology can we utilize? And also what learning experiences can we incorporate to really help the 16,000 students that we have here? And in addition to that, I also help with our PhD students that we have here. So PhD students who are looking to become faculty, I give them insights into what is modern learning and how can they really incorporate that? Because that's real knock on effect for the future generations. So kind of in a nutshell, that's me. North, Cara A. 2:54 I love it. And I didn't know that about the PhD piece of what you do, and it's something that I've kind of learned the hard way in my own PhD journeys, is, you know, a lot of times in my role, and I also work at a university, it's very easy to get frustrated with faculty and also the system. But then I take a step back. And I think, you know, these folks that are teaching, typically in a PhD program, there are not any courses on how to teach. It's just hyper concentrated in whatever it is that they're trying to study. So I love that you have the opportunity to kind of work with with them on that piece. And I also didn't know you started as a stand up trainer. I did too. So I think there's Yeah, there's a lot of us out there that started in that ILT space and then kind of pivoted into the digital space. So I love that. So it sounds like you have a pretty diverse background with corporate and higher education. And obviously, you've been in this space for for a while,

What skills does an instructional designer need in 2020? As we move into 2020, Cara and Joe discuss some of the skills they consider to be essential for instructional designers. Soft Skills: CuriosityProject managementAbility to define "what good looks like"NetworkingSkepticism Technical Skills: User experience (UX) designLearning analyticsKnow how to codeVisual Design Video production Connect with Cara & Joe: Twitter: @RedesignPodcast,@CaraNorth11,@Joseph_Suarez Websites: InstructionalRedesign.comCaraNorth.comJosephSuarez.com Support us on Patreon and get podcast updates via Twitter (@RedesignPodcast).Intro music created by Jahzzar.

What to consider when planning to create a video learning solution... Cara and Joe have a super helpful discussion around many of the considerations that go into the production (yes, it's a production) of video both big and small. Connect with Cara & Joe: Twitter: @RedesignPodcast,@CaraNorth11,@Joseph_Suarez Websites: InstructionalRedesign.comCaraNorth.comJosephSuarez.com Support us on Patreon and get podcast updates via Twitter (@RedesignPodcast).Intro music created by Jahzzar.

Interview with the eLearning Guys Dave Charney and Nejc Žorga Dulmin host the eLearning Guys podcast where they talk in depth about their favorite authoring tool, Articulate Storyline. So it's only fitting that we have them on the show to talk shop about eLearning development and their latest venture, a video course library called Master Storyline. The guys were gracious enough to provide Instructional Redesign podcast listeners with a 10% off discount on their first purchase at MasterStoryline.com. The offer is good through 2019. Connect with Dave and Nejc: The eLearning Guys PodcastMaster StorylineDavidCharney.comDave on Twitter (@dave_charney)Nejc on Twitter (@nejcd) Connect with Cara & Joe: Twitter: @RedesignPodcast@CaraNorth11@Joseph_Suarez Websites: InstructionalRedesign.comCaraNorth.comJosephSuarez.com Support us on Patreon and get podcast updates via Twitter (@RedesignPodcast).Intro music created by Jahzzar.