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As Australia’s education ranking tanks, a change in the school funding system is well overdue. If Australia is ever going to be the smart country, equal per-child funding, together with greater parental choice must be top of mind. A fair and equal funding model, in addition to UK style ‘Free Schools’, would give parents, teachers and students a place where learning matches family values. They would be a tonic for Australia’s disillusioned teachers and angry parents doing battle against the forces of woke mediocrity. (00:15) Introduction by host - Phil Dye (02:06) Let it rip number 1: Respectful Relationships Australia. (05:00) Let it rip number 2: Disability inclusion (09:30) Interview segment part A with Katharine Birbalsingh, Principal of The Michaela School at Wembley. Link HERE. (18:35) Comment by host (19.02) Declaration of Biological Truth Australia promotion (19:45) Interview segment part B with Katharine Birbalsingh, Principal of The Michaela School at Wembley. Link HERE. (21:00) Comment by host (24:22) Interview segment part C with Katharine Birbalsingh, Principal of The Michaela School at Wembley. Link HERE. (25:08) Comment by host (27:21) Segment of talk at the Centre for Independent Studies by Katharine Birbalsingh, Principal of The Michaela School at Wembley. Link HERE. (33:43) Comment by host (34:37) Let it rip number 3: Sex-based equality in teaching (36:49) Let it rip number 4: Welcome to Country (40:47) Closing comments by host To donate to Phil Dye: https://phildye.substack.com/p/donate-d13 This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit markingtherole.substack.com

Teacher training spends a great deal of time on diversity, inclusion and equity, yet omits probably the most important component of education: The neuroscience of learning. This episode takes you through the basic science of learning and retention. It looks at a school exercise program called ‘SPARK’ started in 2008 by Dr John Ratey that continues to change the way many schools in the USA operate. We then talk to Ben Couchman, a fitness and exercise expert as to how to motivate and keep young people active to improve their school results, lift their mood and keep anxiety away. (00:00) Introduction by host - Phil Dye (06:12) Part of TED talk by Dr John Ratey from The Spark Project: YouTube link HERE. (14:53) Interview with Ben Couchman, exercise and fitness coach from COUCHY'S TOTAL FITNESS: Email ben_bec02@aapt.net.au (31:25) Declaration of Biological Truth Australia promotion. https://declarationofbiologicaltruth.au/ (32:16) Rest of Interview with Ben Couchman (35:28) Wind up by Phil Dye 𝗧𝘄𝗶𝘁𝘁𝗲𝗿https://twitter.com/markingtherole Email:markingtherole@substack.com OR markingtherole@gmail.com Email host: phil@phildye.com. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit markingtherole.substack.com

Australia’s National Curriculum, designed by the Australian Curriculum, Assessment and Reporting Authority (ACARA), has been described as “shockingly poor” by one media outlet and “a problem” by education consultants. Yet is it as bad as it seems? We ask three experts on curriculum matters if there’s any hope at all for the document that is supposed to guide teachers and set standards for the next generation of Australians. (00:00) Introduction from host. (05:28) Interview with Marty Ross, Founder of Bad Mathematics. (22:06) Interview with Colleen Harkin, ex-teacher and now National Manager, Class Action Programs and Research Fellow, the Institute of Public Affairs. (37:35) Brain Break in memory of Gregor Newton, teacher, musician and friend. (39:28) Interview with Dr Bella d’Abrera, Director, Foundations of Western Civilisation Program at the Institute of Public Affairs. Dr d’Abrera’s research can be found at https://ipa.org.au/publications-ipa/media-releases/woke-ideology-trumps-core-literacy-and-numeracy-teaching-skills (59:15) Wind-up by host Subscribe for free on Substack https://markingtherole.substack.com 𝗧𝘄𝗶𝘁𝘁𝗲𝗿 https://twitter.com/markingtherole Email: markingtherole@substack.com Marking the Role supports the Australian Declaration of Biological Truth: https://declarationofbiologicaltruth.au/ This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit markingtherole.substack.com

The neuroscience of learning has been ignored by teacher training courses in Australia yet is a lynchpin of effective education. One component is Cognitive Load Theory (CLT) that while basic in definition, is harder for teachers to use in practice. We talk with CLT practitioner Sam Sterrett from Scotch College in Western Australia about what CLT means for the teaching profession. (00:00) Introduction from host and feedback from Episode 35. (5:00) Interview with Sam Sterrett, Head of Enrichment at the Scotch College, Swanbourne, W.A. (28:48) Conclusion of interview with Sam Sterrett. (28:50) Wind up by host Sam Sterrett Podcast ‘The Range Project’ on Spotify Subscribe to Marking the Role for free, go to markingtherole@substack.com End of 2023 Australian Teachers’ Survey (3-mins)Go to https://questionpro.com/t/AViP4Zz1Gy 𝗧𝘄𝗶𝘁𝘁𝗲𝗿https://twitter.com/markingtherole Email:markingtherole@substack.com OR markingtherole@gmail.com To Donate: Go to https://donorbox.org/marking-the-role-donations Email host: phil@phildye.com.au This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit markingtherole.substack.com

Generation Alpha are those born between 2010 and 2024. Most students in Australia under year 10 are Generation Alpha. They’ve lived through covid, become addicted to devices and seen two big international conflicts. Yet what defines them and how easy are they to teach? We ask Mark McCrindle from McCrindle Research to outline the do’s and don’ts of teaching Generation Alpha. (00:00) Introduction from host and messages from Episode 34. (0:45) Interview with Mark McCrindle from McCrindle Research. (25:34) Podcast Promo (25:50 Conclusion of interview with Mark McCrindle (33:06) Wind up by host Subscribe for free, go to markingtherole@substack.com End of 2023 Australian Teachers’ Survey (3-mins)Go to https://questionpro.com/t/AViP4Zz1Gy 𝗧𝘄𝗶𝘁𝘁𝗲𝗿https://twitter.com/markingtherole Email:markingtherole@substack.com OR markingtherole@gmail.com To Donate: Go to https://donorbox.org/marking-the-role-donations Email host: phil@phildye.com.au This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit markingtherole.substack.com

Old style teacher unions are losing members in Australia. While they might represent their members on salary and rights, unions are now telling their members how to vote and what to think on social issues - an overreach not taken well by many teachers. We talk to Edward Schuller from the Teachers Professional Association of Australia about the state of play. (00:00) Introduction from host. (00:45) Short excerpt of ‘Power in a Union’ by Billy Bragg. (01:34) Words of five teachers on the role of their union. (08.45 Interview with Edward Schuller, State Secretary of the Teachers Professional Association of Queensland - part of the Teacher Professional Association of Australia (TPAA) https://tpaa.redunion.com.au/ (18:40) Podcast promotion (19:08) 2nd part of Interview with Edward Schuller, State Secretary of the Teachers Professional Association of Queensland (part of the Teachers Professional Association of Australia). Link to The Spectator Australia article by Edward Schuller. https://www.spectator.com.au/author/edward-schuller/ (26:06) Wind-up by host Subscribe for free, go to markingtherole@substack.com End of 2023 Australian Teachers’ Survey (3-mins)Go to https://questionpro.com/t/AViP4Zz1Gy 𝗧𝘄𝗶𝘁𝘁𝗲𝗿https://twitter.com/markingtherole Email: markingtherole@substack.com OR markingtherole@gmail.com Buy us a Coffee for $5 … go to https://www.buymeacoffee.com/markingtherole Contact Edward Schuller. go to https://tpaa.redunion.com.au/contact This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit markingtherole.substack.com

The first in our MINI series. Everything you need to know from Episode 33 in 10 minutes! Gender ideology is in Australia’s school system and is now taught by classroom teachers or 3rd party providers. Children are learning that they can be born into the wrong body, or that they can transition to the other gender or no gender at all. How can parents protect their children from this confusing and anti-science ideology? We speak to Kat Karena and Rae Clark about the programs and how to ensure your child’s learning matches your family values. Disclaimer: The views and guest comments in this episode do not necessarily reflect the views of Marking the Role. (00:00) Introduction from host. (00:33) Children and teacher from Rye College in the UK. (01:24) Mini interview with Kat Karena, founder of In Defence of Children and Active Watchful Waiting Australia (03:03) 1st part of mini interview with Rae Clark, founder of Stop Gender Education Australia (06.29) Podcast promotion (06:53) 2nd part of mini interview with Rae Clark, founder of Stop Gender Education Australia (11:06) Wind-up by host Subscribe for free on Substack 𝗧𝘄𝗶𝘁𝘁𝗲𝗿https://twitter.com/markingtherole Email: markingtherole@substack.com Buy us a Coffee for $5 or even more … - click HERE Find us on Substack - click HERE This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit markingtherole.substack.com

Gender ideology has infiltrated Australia’s school system and is now part of accredited programs taught by classroom teachers or 3rd party providers. Children are learning that they can be born into the wrong body, or that they can transition to the other gender or no gender at all, alongside topics like consent, respect, dating and resilience. How can parents protect their children from this confusing and anti-science ideology? Is resistance possible? We speak to Kat Karena and Rae Clark about the programs and how to ensure your child’s learning matches your family values. (00:00) Introduction from host. (04:08) Children and teacher from Rye College in the UK. (08:52) Interview with Kat Karena, founder of In Defence of Children and Active Watchful Waiting Australia (19:59) 1st part of interview with Rae Clark, founder of Stop Gender Education Australia (30:38) Podcast promotion (31:25) 2nd part of interview with Rae Clark, founder of Stop Gender Education Australia (58:45) Wind-up by host (60:05) Concluding comment from Kat Karena Subscribe for free on Substack 𝗧𝘄𝗶𝘁𝘁𝗲𝗿https://twitter.com/markingtherole Email: markingtherole@substack.com Buy us a Coffee for $5 or even more … - click HERE Find us on Substack - click HERE This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit markingtherole.substack.com

Australia’s universities have dropped again in world rankings. Students are unhappy and the Federal Government is looking to overhaul the whole system. Will this be easy and what are the hurdles? Will teacher training improve or continue to decline? We look at not just the content of courses, but who is teaching them. (00:00) Introduction from host (05:35) Comment from Dr Bella d'Abrera from the Institute of Public Affairs (courtesy of Sky News). (07:44) Words of Jason Clare, Federal Education Minister (from National Press Club) with comment from host. (14:34) Words of Glenn Fahey from the Centre for Independent Studies. (16:25) Description of Subject 54002 from the University of Technology Sydney with host comments. (18:30) Description of Subject ETST3000 from Macquarie University. (20:15) Host comment on Early Childhood Education. (23.00) Voice of Kristy, an ex Masters student and teacher from the Illawarra. (25:56) Interview with Jeff Barnes, university lecturer from Sydney (29:48) Closing comments from Host and intro for next episode. (33:15 ) ‘I’m Woke’ by Phil Dye - available from Spotify Subscribe for free on Substack 𝗧𝘄𝗶𝘁𝘁𝗲𝗿https://twitter.com/markingtherole This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit markingtherole.substack.com

The gradual creep of gender ideology into schools is seeing more and more students consider themselves ‘transgender’. While most teachers will hopefully never confront this, others are scared of losing their job if they utter the wrong pronouns or air their personal views. A teacher in New Zealand has already been sacked for refusing to use preferred pronouns. Australian teachers should be very wary, and very informed. DISCLAIMER: The content of this episode is for informational purposes only and should not be considered legal advice. Educators with issues around this topic should get their own legal advice from a qualified lawyer. We are not responsible for any losses, damages, or liabilities that may arise from this episode. (00:00) Host introduction (06:24) Words of two teachers altered with AI (10:44) Interview with Anna Kerr, Principal Solicitor with The Feminist Legal Centre including words by ex Qld School Principal Tracey Tully courtesy of 9 News Australia (41:30) Summary of key legal points by host (47:50) Wind-up from host (49:23) Final disclaimer Subscribe for free on Substack 𝗛𝗲𝗮𝗱 𝘁𝗼 𝗼𝘂𝗿 Substack 𝘀𝗶𝘁𝗲 https://markingtherole.com.au/ Email markingtherole@substack.com 𝗧𝘄𝗶𝘁𝘁𝗲𝗿https://twitter.com/markingtherole Incidental Music via Zapsplat This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit markingtherole.substack.com

Most older teachers learned explicit and direct instruction (EDI) during teacher training in the 70’s and 80’s. However, many younger teachers have never heard of it. As policymakers grapple with the knowledge decline in Australia’s youth, it’s groundhog day for EDI in the ‘lucky’ country. (00:00) Host introduction (05:36) First part of interview with Greg Ashman (14:03) Teachers from the Coen Campus of Cape York Aboriginal Australian Academy speak about Direct Instruction (courtesy Youtube) (16:15) Teachers from Blue Haven Public School in NSW speak about Direct Instruction (courtesy Youtube) (17:30) Second part of interview with Greg Ashman (21:07) Third part of interview with Greg Ashman (33:04) Wind-up from host (34:10) Final DI comment from teacher at Coen Campus Subscribe for free on Substack 𝗛𝗲𝗮𝗱 𝘁𝗼 𝗼𝘂𝗿 Substack 𝘀𝗶𝘁𝗲 https://markingtherole.com.au/ Email markingtherole@substack.com 𝗧𝘄𝗶𝘁𝘁𝗲𝗿https://twitter.com/markingtherole Incidental Music via Zapsplat This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit markingtherole.substack.com

Teachers are constantly doing battle with what’s expected of them and what they know is right or what works. Season Six looks at three sensitive but important issues over four episodes. Here’s an outline. (00:00) Host Introduction (01.38) Topic for Episode 30: Direct Instruction Teaching including voice of Paul McDermott courtesy of the Centre for Independent Studies (03.17) Topic for Episode 31: School Gender Ideology for Teachers including words by ex Qld School Principal Tracey Tully courtesy of 9 News Australia (06:40) Topic for Episode 32: The Teacher Training Debate including words of Jason Clare, Federal Minister for Education. (08:14) Topic for Episode 33: School Gender Ideology for Parents including the words of ex-Safe Schools Founder Roz Ward. (10.20) Wind-up from host Subscribe for free on Substack 𝗧𝘄𝗶𝘁𝘁𝗲𝗿 https://twitter.com/markingtherole Instagram https://www.instagram.com/markingtherole/ Stings and Intros courtesy of ZapSplat This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit markingtherole.substack.com

Direct instruction teaching hasn’t been popular with education departments or teacher training institutions in Australia, but the tide is turning. The Michaela School in the UK is a leading example of how setting clear expectations, strong boundaries and solid principles of teaching can be of enormous benefit. The results are happy students, dedicated teachers and top academic performance. We interview Katharine Birbalsingh, the Principal. (00:00) Host Introduction (07:00) Interview with Katharine Birbalsingh, Principal of the Michaela School in Wembley, UK (45:50) Wind up from host Subscribe to the podcast via Substack. Go to To email the host: phil@markingtherole.com.au This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit markingtherole.substack.com

Australian classrooms, and classrooms around the world are becoming places where politics, ideologies and special interest viewpoints are trumping quality education. We ask Colleen Harkin, Research Fellow at the Institute of Public Affairs about the current state of unfair play and what can be done to restore balance. (00:00) Host Introduction (04:53) Interview with Colleen Harkin, ex-teacher, Research Fellow and Manager of Class-action Programs at The Institute of Public Affairs (Australia) (35:52) Wind up from host Subscribe to the podcast via Substack. Go to To email Colleen Harkin: charkin@ipa.org.au To email the host: phil@markingtherole.com.au Link for $55 membership of the Institute of Public Affairs: Click HERE Link to Teachers’ Resources: Click HERE This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit markingtherole.substack.com

Violence towards school principals and teachers has risen dramatically over the past 10 years. 54% of principals have experienced violence by a student or parent. Why is this happening and how do we make schools a safe place for learning? We speak to Craig Petersen, the President of the NSW Secondary Principals’ Council. (00:00) Host Introduction (06:35) Interview with Craig Petersen, President of the NSW Secondary Principals’ Council. (20:25) Teacher comment altered with AI (21:11) Continuation of interview (35.50) Wind up from host Subscribe to the podcast via Substack. https://markingtherole.substack.com/ 𝗝𝗼𝗶𝗻 𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝗽𝗿𝗶𝘃𝗮𝘁𝗲 𝗙𝗮𝗰𝗲𝗯𝗼𝗼𝗸 𝗴𝗿𝗼𝘂𝗽 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝗱𝗶𝘀𝗰𝘂𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗼𝗻 - 𝘁𝗲𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗲𝗿𝘀 𝗼𝗻𝗹𝘆https://www.facebook.com/groups/1373366026482060 Instagramhttps://www.instagram.com/markingtherole/ 𝗧𝘄𝗶𝘁𝘁𝗲𝗿https://twitter.com/markingtherole 𝗙𝗮𝗰𝗲𝗯𝗼𝗼𝗸https://www.facebook.com/markingtherole This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit markingtherole.substack.com

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The Australian state of NSW goes to the polls at the end of March. A new straight-talking political party clearly understands quality education far more than mainstream parties. The rest of Australia is watching and listening. (00:00) Host Introduction (06:35) Interview with Cheryl McBride OAM, Candidate for the Public Education Party in NSW (23:09) Brain Break with The Water Runners - Eureka (27:24) Part 2 of the interview with Cheryl McBride OAM, Candidate for the Public Education Party in NSW (40:44) Wind up from host (42:45) Closing sigh from Sausage (the dog). Subscribe to the podcast via Substack https://markingtherole.substack.com/ 𝗝𝗼𝗶𝗻 𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝗽𝗿𝗶𝘃𝗮𝘁𝗲 𝗙𝗮𝗰𝗲𝗯𝗼𝗼𝗸 𝗴𝗿𝗼𝘂𝗽 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝗱𝗶𝘀𝗰𝘂𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗼𝗻 - 𝘁𝗲𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗲𝗿𝘀 𝗼𝗻𝗹𝘆 https://www.facebook.com/groups/1373366026482060 𝗛𝗲𝗮𝗱 𝘁𝗼 𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝘄𝗲𝗯𝘀𝗶𝘁𝗲 & 𝘀𝘂𝗯𝘀𝗰𝗿𝗶𝗯𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝘂𝗽𝗱𝗮𝘁𝗲𝘀 https://markingtherole.com.au/ 𝗦𝘂𝗽𝗽𝗼𝗿𝘁 𝗨𝘀 https://www.buymeacoffee.com/markingtherole/ Instagram https://www.instagram.com/markingtherole/ 𝗧𝘄𝗶𝘁𝘁𝗲𝗿 https://twitter.com/markingtherole 𝗙𝗮𝗰𝗲𝗯𝗼𝗼𝗸 https://www.facebook.com/markingtherole This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit markingtherole.substack.com

A University Degree: Yes or No? We ask students, lecturers, and others if the Australian tertiary education system is letting students down or building them up. (00:00) Introduction (05:20) First comment from The Daily Insight (07.44) Interview with Sarah Taylor, a student who’s completed undergraduate and now completing a post graduate degree. (16:05) Brain Break: Hey Sweet Sienna by Cherry MaMalade (19:30) Second comment from The Daily Insight (22:48) Interview with Jeff Barnes, lecturer and program coordinator with over 30 years’ experience in the University Sector. (40:02) Interview with Ishbel Dunsmore, Education Officer from the Student Representative Council of Sydney University Student Union. (51:12) Voice on Freedom of Speech at University from The Institute of Public Affairs. (53:00) Wind-up and short comment from Associate Professor John de Noble from Macquarie School of Education. Subscribe for free on Substack https://markingtherole.substack.com/ 𝗛𝗲𝗮𝗱 𝘁𝗼 𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝘄𝗲𝗯𝘀𝗶𝘁𝗲 https://markingtherole.com.au/ 𝗦𝘂𝗽𝗽𝗼𝗿𝘁 𝗨𝘀 https://www.buymeacoffee.com/markingtherole/ Instagram https://www.instagram.com/markingtherole/ 𝗧𝘄𝗶𝘁𝘁𝗲𝗿 https://twitter.com/markingtherole 𝗙𝗮𝗰𝗲𝗯𝗼𝗼𝗸 https://www.facebook.com/markingtherole This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit markingtherole.substack.com

Home schooling is on the rise in Australia and the world. Some parents just want to meet their children's individual needs. Others want their children out of a classroom where teachers struggle to give their best to every student due to the vast range of student abilities in the one room. Whatever the reason, the sector provides opportunities for both parents and teachers seeking a change. (00:00) Introduction (01:08) Past voices of teachers and administrators. (05:45) The voices of Janelle Barnes, President of the Home Education Association and Karen Wilson, Creator of Simply Homeschool. (16:09) Brain Break with Jocean - For the People (19:55) Part 2 with Janelle Barnes, President of the Home Education Association and Karen Wilson, Creator of Simply Homeschool. (32:18) Wind up and next episode. 𝗝𝗼𝗶𝗻 𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝗽𝗿𝗶𝘃𝗮𝘁𝗲 𝗙𝗮𝗰𝗲𝗯𝗼𝗼𝗸 𝗴𝗿𝗼𝘂𝗽 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝗱𝗶𝘀𝗰𝘂𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗼𝗻 - 𝘁𝗲𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗲𝗿𝘀 𝗼𝗻𝗹𝘆https://www.facebook.com/groups/1373366026482060 Subscribe for free through Substack. https://markingtherole.com.au/ 𝗦𝘂𝗽𝗽𝗼𝗿𝘁 𝗨𝘀https://www.buymeacoffee.com/markingtherole/ Instagramhttps://www.instagram.com/markingtherole/ 𝗧𝘄𝗶𝘁𝘁𝗲𝗿https://twitter.com/markingtherole 𝗙𝗮𝗰𝗲𝗯𝗼𝗼𝗸https://www.facebook.com/markingtherole This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit markingtherole.substack.com

Home schooling is on the rise in Australia and the world. Some parents just want to meet their children's individual needs. Others want their children out of a classroom where teachers struggle to give their best to every student due to the vast range of student abilities in the one room. Whatever the reason, the sector provides opportunities for both parents and teachers seeking a change. (00:00) Introduction (01:08) Past voices of teachers and administrators. (05:45) The voices of Janelle Barnes, President of the Home Education Association and Karen Wilson, Creator of Simply Homeschool. (16:09) Brain Break with Jocean - For the People (19:55) Part 2 with Janelle Barnes, President of the Home Education Association and Karen Wilson, Creator of Simply Homeschool. (32:18) Wind up and next episode. 𝗝𝗼𝗶𝗻 𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝗽𝗿𝗶𝘃𝗮𝘁𝗲 𝗙𝗮𝗰𝗲𝗯𝗼𝗼𝗸 𝗴𝗿𝗼𝘂𝗽 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝗱𝗶𝘀𝗰𝘂𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗼𝗻 - 𝘁𝗲𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗲𝗿𝘀 𝗼𝗻𝗹𝘆 https://www.facebook.com/groups/1373366026482060 𝗛𝗲𝗮𝗱 𝘁𝗼 𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝘄𝗲𝗯𝘀𝗶𝘁𝗲 & 𝘀𝘂𝗯𝘀𝗰𝗿𝗶𝗯𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝘂𝗽𝗱𝗮𝘁𝗲𝘀 https://markingtherole.com.au/ 𝗦𝘂𝗽𝗽𝗼𝗿𝘁 𝗨𝘀 https://www.buymeacoffee.com/markingtherole/ Instagram https://www.instagram.com/markingtherole/ 𝗧𝘄𝗶𝘁𝘁𝗲𝗿 https://twitter.com/markingtherole 𝗙𝗮𝗰𝗲𝗯𝗼𝗼𝗸 https://www.facebook.com/markingtherole This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit markingtherole.substack.com