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Thin Blue Training is a weekly show devoted to finding and exploring law enforcement training. Each week we feature law enforcement trainers, exceptional law enforcement officers and even innovators in the realm of public safety gear. Find your next class at and get behind the scenes here on the Thin Blue Training podcast, where it’s all about outcomes.

Thin Blue Training is a weekly show devoted to finding and exploring law enforcement training. Each week we feature law enforcement trainers, exceptional law enforcement officers and even innovators in the realm of public safety gear. Find your next class at and get behind the scenes here on the Thin Blue Training podcast, where it’s all about outcomes.
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Thin Blue Training is a weekly show devoted to finding and exploring law enforcement training. Each week we feature law enforcement trainers, exceptional law enforcement officers and even innovators in the realm of public safety gear. Find your next class at and get behind the scenes here on the Thin Blue Training podcast, where it’s all about outcomes.




TBT 19: Dr. Hindy Bluestone with the Under the Shield Foundation

What a week...with the massacre of the law enforcement officers in Dallas and the protests throughout the nation, today's guest just so happened to be the perfect resource at the right time. On today's show, Dr. Hindy Bluestone talks with Martin about the confidential stress coaching provided for free by the Under the Shield Foundation. Their services are 24/7, completely confidential and can be reached at the following: (855) 889-2348 (toll free) In this...


TBT 18: Mike the Cop with Humanizing the Badge

On today's episode, Martin chats with 15 year old Halley McGookin of who has started a charity to benefit law enforcement. She was an impressive young lady with a bright future. Be sure to check out her project; it's a worthy cause. Today's guest is none other than the social media sensation, Mike the Cop of Humanizing the Badge. Mike, a full-time law enforcement officer, is breaking barriers and bridging gaps on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram as Mike the Cop. His...


TBT 17: Chris Bennett with Callyo

We're back! After a break, Martin is back on the show to discuss some of the latest topics affecting law enforcement including the media's portrayal of the profession and how it may be contributing to the number of officers killed in the line of duty. Chris Bennett, the founder of Callyo, joins Martin to talk about Callyo's latest product, an application called 10-21 that enables an officer to change the number that appears in caller ID, thereby protecting the officers' personal contact...


TBT 16: Interview and Interrogation with Dave Zulawski of Wicklander-Zulawski

Dave Zulawski comes onto the show to discuss the Wicklander-Zulawski method of interview and interrogation, most notably the non-confrontational method. Dave is the distinguished author of Practical Aspects of Interview & Interrogation. Dave also discusses the rigorous process of becoming certified as a Certified Forensic Interviewer. Find out more about Dave and the training offered by Wicklander-Zulawski & Associates, Inc. at


TBT 15: Lt. Col. Dave Grossman and The Bulletproof Mind

Lt. Col. Dave Grossman joins Martin to discuss the concept of the bulletproof mind. Col. Grossman has devoted his post-military career to changing the way military and law enforcement are trained. Col. Grossman discusses the challenges facing law enforcement today, the coming threats to the homeland and the most needed tool for law enforcement. For the first time, Martin discusses his deadly force encounter in 2003 as a city Police Officer. Aside from traveling and training 300 days a...


TBT 14: Thanksgiving Special

Happy Thanksgiving! Since it was a holiday, Martin didn't drag in anyone for a guest. Instead, we're putting some new tread on an older episode. This week you're going to hear Martin interview with Lt. Jim Glennon of Calibre Press from August, 2015. By the way, it's going to be Black Friday soon. Do your shopping on Amazon, but use the url If you purchase something, Amazon will kick back a few nickels to the show (at no cost to you). Saving the lives AND...


TBT 13: Line Supervision & Leadership with Joe Demuro

Martin invites the listeners to head on over to to sign up for the Restricted Section where they can learn tips, tricks and techniques related to Lock Picking and Lock Bypassing. Martin gives a shout out to the veterans in the United States. We owe them more than we can pay them. Martin also talks about the Paris massacre and how France is America's oldest friend. Joe Demuro joins the show as today's guest. Joe teaches Line Supervision, Leadership and...


TBT 12: Reasonable Use of Force with George Williams

On today's show, Martin mentions his affiliate program with Amazon. If you go to and purchase something, Amazon throws a few nickels back to the show at no additional cost to you. Thanks for clicking through!!! Martin also asked the listeners to keep him posted about law enforcement benefits in their area so that he could promote them on the show. Today's guest is George Williams, an expert witness in the subject matter of law enforcement use of force and...


TBT 11: Jeff Chapman with the National Association of Field Training Officers

Martin is just getting back from his agency's in-service training. He mentions a cool iPhone app that offers a virtual safety button that can be released in the event of an emergency. The app will then notify the police of an emergency with the GPS location of the phone. Safe Trek Martin will be teaching Lock Picking & Specialized Entry Techniques at the following locations in the first quarter of 2016: January 25-26, 2016- Kissimmee, FLFebruary 11-12, 2016- San Antonio, TXMarch 10-11,...


TBT 10: Homicide Investigation with David Newman of Inside the Tape

David Newman is a veteran homicide detective. He's also the owner of the Inside the Tape where he's instructed law enforcement officers, prosecutors and medical examiners in the skill set of Homicide and Crime Scene Management. In this episode, Martin talks about how he once became a homicide detective and how he could have done better by seeking out training. Dave details his Homicide and Crime Scene Management training course. You can find out more at...


TBT 9: TrackMole with Shawn Tierney

TrackMole is a revolutionary new online tool that puts property back in the hands of its owner. Citizens can input their serial numbers, photos, etc of their property. If it's ever stolen, lost or recovered, law enforcement can use TrackMole to reunite the owner with their property. As a matter of fact, anyone can use TrackMole to reconnect property with the proper owner. Shawn Tierney, the innovator of TrackMole, is a full-time police officer in Renton, Washington. Listen in as he talks...


TBT 8: Mass Killers with Mike Roche

Mass killings have become so commonplace that they've become part of the background narrative in the news. The Alpha Group Center has a course that's designed to identify killers before they go on a rampage. Mike Roche, the instructor for the course, is a retired Secret Service agent who who's actually written a book on the topic. Mass Killers by Mike Roche You can find out more about Mike, the Alpha Group Center and the training course, Mass Killers at...


TBT 7: Kim Munley - Hero of the Fort Hood Massacre

In 2009, a terrorist began a rampage at Ford Hood in Killeen, Texas, resulting in 13 killed and 32 injured. That number would have been far higher if Kimberly Munley, a civilian police officer, hadn't squared off and exchanged rounds with the attacker. While hitting the terrorist twice, Kim was struck by three bullets. Listen to her harrowing story of how the event transpired, what she did to survive and the resulting aftermath. Kim Munley is a true inspiration. Find out more about Kim...


TBT 6: Blue Courage with Michael Nila

Remember that day your pinned on the badge? The ideals and goals you had to make your mark in law enforcement? This episode is all about bringing back the shine to the badge. Michael Nila is the founder and Managing Director of Blue Courage at He’s devoted his life to his passion: inspiring law enforcement officers to be the best they can be. In this episode, Michael addresses the debate of Warrior vs. Guardian. You may surprised by his answer. He also breaks...


TBT 5: Tactical Woodland Operations School with Pat Patten

Anytime you open a news website or turn on the TV, there seems to be a new manhunt in the headlines. Regardless of your agency, there is a decent chance you could find yourself in a manhunt in a woodland environment. With the latest prison fugitives or a suspect on the run, the skills needed to safely track through a wooded area requires new skill sets. Pat Patten is the owner and lead instructor at Tactical Woodland Operations School In this...


TBT 4: Interview & Interrogation with John E. Reid & Associates

Few skills are more important to a law enforcement officer than those of interview and interrogation. Louis C. Senese, Vice President of John E. Reid & Associates, joins today’s podcast. Lou, who has conducted more than 8,000 interviews in his career with Reid & Associates, shares some of the common missteps officers make during interrogations. I’m guilty of a couple of these myself. Lou is the author of Anatomy of Interrogation Themes and despite being the Vice President of the...


TBT 3: Underwater Criminal Investigations with Mike Berry

Today we’re taking training to new depths, literally! Mike Berry, the owner and lead instructor of Underwater Criminal Investigators, visits the Thin Blue Training podcast to discuss his role in training public safety divers. Mike is responsible for being the developer of the certification for public safety divers through PADI (Professional Association of Diving Instructors) and he’s the author of the definitive book on public safety diving, The Water’s Edge. You don’t want to miss...


TBT 2: Street Survival with Calibre Press

Saving the lives AND careers of law enforcement officers is the mission of today’s guest. On this episode, Lt. Jim Glennon, the owner of Calibre Press discusses Calibre’s, Street Survival Seminar. Lt. Glennon laid out the surprising statistics on the deaths of law enforcement officers, both on and off the clock. He also reveals the methodology behind the delivery of their training: honest, sometimes shocking imagery. Praised as one of the top ten law enforcement books of all time, Lt....


TBT 1: Introduction

Welcome to the very first episode of the Thin Blue Training podcast. In this episode you'll learn how Thin Blue Training can serve you as well as how this podcast can help you find your next class. You'll also learn a little about the host, Martin Holloway. Thanks for subscribing!