Love or Work

Six years ago, we set out to answer this question, “Is it possible change the world, stay in love, and raise a healthy family,” with the goal of interviewing 100 couples, while learning as much we could from others. We did that and more.Thank you for joining us on this journey. The podcast will live on as a resource, and we hope you will continue to use it and share it wth others.In the final episode, we talk about the journey, why this project is coming to an end, and some of our biggest takeaways. ------------ Welcome to the Love or Work Podcast, hosted by Andre Shinabarger (Physician Assistant, Grady Hospital) and Jeff Shinabarger (Social Entrepreneur and Founder of Plywood People). They are asking the question: Is it possible to change the world, stay in love, and raise a healthy family? 100 interviews where Jeff and Andre learn from other working families in the journey of marriage, purpose, and parenting. Order the Love or Work Book! Website: www.loveorwork.com Instagram: www.instagram.com/loveorwork Love or Work is a project of Plywood People. Plywood is a non-profit in Atlanta leading a community of start-ups doing good. www.plywoodpeople.com

This week we are hearing from the co-hosts of the Love or Work Podcast Andre and Jeff Shinabarger. In this episode, you can listen out for these three things: relationship advice, career reflections, and personal reflections. Andre and Jeff are answering five questions that have been narrowed down from listeners' questions. Andre and Jeff reflect on their own life, relationship, and careers and share insightful advice on how to successfully pursue all three of these categories. ------------ Welcome to the Love or Work Podcast, hosted by Andre Shinabarger (Physician Assistant, Grady Hospital) and Jeff Shinabarger (Social Entrepreneur and Founder of Plywood People). They are asking the question: Is it possible to change the world, stay in love, and raise a healthy family? 100 interviews where Jeff and Andre learn from other working families in the journey of marriage, purpose, and parenting. Order the Love or Work Book! Website: www.loveorwork.com Instagram: www.instagram.com/loveorwork Love or Work is a project of Plywood People. Plywood is a non-profit in Atlanta leading a community of start-ups doing good. www.plywoodpeople.com

In this episode of the Love or Work Podcast we are interviewing Tera and Wes Wages.Tera is the CEO of Connection Codes an organization that helps people get unstuck in their marriages and Wes is the CEO of Armosa Studios, a video/photo marketing company and together they host the “Get It” podcast. During this interview Tera and Wes are brutally honest and vulnerable with us about their story and struggles throughout their marriage. Make sure to listen out for these two things: America’s Funniest Home Videos and 75 Hard. Use code LOVEORWORK to get 20% off the Foundations Course and www.connectioncodes.co to download the Core Emotion Wheel that Tera Talks about in the episode. ------------ Welcome to the Love or Work Podcast, hosted by Andre Shinabarger (Physician Assistant, Grady Hospital) and Jeff Shinabarger (Social Entrepreneur and Founder of Plywood People). They are asking the question: Is it possible to change the world, stay in love, and raise a healthy family? 100 interviews where Jeff and Andre learn from other working families in the journey of marriage, purpose, and parenting. Order the Love or Work Book! Website: www.loveorwork.com Instagram: www.instagram.com/loveorwork Love or Work is a project of Plywood People. Plywood is a non-profit in Atlanta leading a community of start-ups doing good. www.plywoodpeople.com

This week we are hearing from the co-hosts of the Love or Work Podcast Andre and Jeff Shinabarger. In this episode, you can listen out for these three things: when Andre and Jeff have felt love for eachother, six important questions that should be discussed in relationships, and their own answers to these six questions. This episode follows Andre and Jeff reflecting on their relationship, and making the time to have discussions that are often overlooked in daily life. ------------ Welcome to the Love or Work Podcast, hosted by Andre Shinabarger (Physician Assistant, Grady Hospital) and Jeff Shinabarger (Social Entrepreneur and Founder of Plywood People). They are asking the question: Is it possible to change the world, stay in love, and raise a healthy family? 100 interviews where Jeff and Andre learn from other working families in the journey of marriage, purpose, and parenting. Order the Love or Work Book! Website: www.loveorwork.com Instagram: www.instagram.com/loveorwork Love or Work is a project of Plywood People. Plywood is a non-profit in Atlanta leading a community of start-ups doing good. www.plywoodpeople.com

This week we are hearing from Dustin and Melissa Nickerson. Dustin Nickerson is a stand-up comedian, and an author who recently published the book “How to Be Married (to Melissa). Melissa Nickerson is the CFO of Dustin Nickerson Comedy. Dustin and Melissa Nickerson co-host a podcast about family, relationships, and comedy called “Don’t Make Me Come Back There”. In this episode, you can listen out for these three things: Legoland Sex, posting a vacation picture, and that there’s no losing or failing in marriage and relationships. Dustin and Melissa share their journey from being high-school sweethearts, to navigating through growing individually while still building and maintaining a strong relationship with each other and their family. ------------ Welcome to the Love or Work Podcast, hosted by Andre Shinabarger (Physician Assistant, Grady Hospital) and Jeff Shinabarger (Social Entrepreneur and Founder of Plywood People). They are asking the question: Is it possible to change the world, stay in love, and raise a healthy family? 100 interviews where Jeff and Andre learn from other working families in the journey of marriage, purpose, and parenting. Order the Love or Work Book! Website: www.loveorwork.com Instagram: www.instagram.com/loveorwork Love or Work is a project of Plywood People. Plywood is a non-profit in Atlanta leading a community of start-ups doing good. www.plywoodpeople.com

This week on the Love or Work Podcast, we are learning from Nate and Tuere K. Butler! Nate is a music producer, artist, performer, casting director, and more - a man of many talents. Tuere is the Director of Operations at Plywood People and former District Director working with Congressman Lewis. This couple is full of good stories, wise words, and so much love for each other and their community. Nate and Tuere have supported each other through seasons of job changes and health challenges, and they share their learnings with us candidly. Their life is a reflection of their values - from generosity to service. Lean in, and learn with us! ------------ Welcome to the Love or Work Podcast, hosted by Andre Shinabarger (Physician Assistant, Grady Hospital) and Jeff Shinabarger (Social Entrepreneur and Founder of Plywood People). They are asking the question: Is it possible to change the world, stay in love, and raise a healthy family? 100 interviews where Jeff and Andre learn from other working families in the journey of marriage, purpose, and parenting. Order the Love or Work Book! Website: www.loveorwork.com Instagram: www.instagram.com/loveorwork Love or Work is a project of Plywood People. Plywood is a non-profit in Atlanta leading a community of start-ups doing good. www.plywoodpeople.com

In this episode we are interviewing Allyssa and Andrea, who have been married 26 years. For the first time, we learn about the transgender issue and are challenged by what length are you willing to fall in love with the next version of your partner? They share how their marriage has been strengthened through their changes, even with all the complexities. In this episode we decided to choose to learn from someone different than us and chose to learn through relationship. We always say “You have to continually fall in love with the next version of your partner.” No one exemplifies this difficult commitment more than this interview. We encourage you to tune in if you want to learn a new perspective on commitment. ------------ Welcome to the Love or Work Podcast, hosted by Andre Shinabarger (Physician Assistant, Grady Hospital) and Jeff Shinabarger (Social Entrepreneur and Founder of Plywood People). They are asking the question: Is it possible to change the world, stay in love, and raise a healthy family? 100 interviews where Jeff and Andre learn from other working families in the journey of marriage, purpose, and parenting. Order the Love or Work Book! Website: www.loveorwork.com Instagram: www.instagram.com/loveorwork Love or Work is a project of Plywood People. Plywood is a non-profit in Atlanta leading a community of start-ups doing good. www.plywoodpeople.com

This week we are hearing from Megan and Ashley Carr. Megan is a 7th grade science teacher and Ashley is an Episcopal Priest. Ashley and Megan share about their love story, which in true Atlanta fashion starts off at Taqueria De Sol. Now with a 2 year old and a baby on the way, Ashley and Megan share what life looks like now. Look out for these 3 things, solo time, being a pastor’s kid, and the family with the three legged dog. Let’s get to it! ------------ Welcome to the Love or Work Podcast, hosted by Andre Shinabarger (Physician Assistant, Grady Hospital) and Jeff Shinabarger (Social Entrepreneur and Founder of Plywood People). They are asking the question: Is it possible to change the world, stay in love, and raise a healthy family? 100 interviews where Jeff and Andre learn from other working families in the journey of marriage, purpose, and parenting. Order the Love or Work Book! Website: www.loveorwork.com Instagram: www.instagram.com/loveorwork Love or Work is a project of Plywood People. Plywood is a non-profit in Atlanta leading a community of start-ups doing good. www.plywoodpeople.com

This week we are hearing from B.T. Harman. B.T. Harman is the Creator of the Blue Babies Pink Podcast, where he shares his journey of being a gay Christian in the American South. He is also the founder of Harbor, an online support program for Christian parents of LGBTQ kids. In this episode you can listen out for these three things: what to do when a loved one comes out as a part of the LGBTQ community, how to have real conversations with people you love, and how to support your loved ones in their coming out journey. B.T. Harman offers advice to parents and others who are supporting their loved ones to explore and identify themselves on the LGBTQ spectrum, as well as, share his own personal story of coming out. ------------ Welcome to the Love or Work Podcast, hosted by Andre Shinabarger (Physician Assistant, Grady Hospital) and Jeff Shinabarger (Social Entrepreneur and Founder of Plywood People). They are asking the question: Is it possible to change the world, stay in love, and raise a healthy family? 100 interviews where Jeff and Andre learn from other working families in the journey of marriage, purpose, and parenting. Order the Love or Work Book! Website: www.loveorwork.com Instagram: www.instagram.com/loveorwork Love or Work is a project of Plywood People. Plywood is a non-profit in Atlanta leading a community of start-ups doing good. www.plywoodpeople.com

This week we are hearing from Dr. Alma Zaragoza-Petty and Propaganda. Dr. Alma is a university professor and author of “Chingona: Owning Your Inner Badass for Healing and Justice”. Prop is a rapper, activist, author of “Terraform: Building a Better World”, and founder of Terraform Cold Brew Coffee. Alma and Prop discuss navigating their personal careers and goals while simultaneously balancing raising their family and growing their relationship with each other. Tune in! ------------ Welcome to the Love or Work Podcast, hosted by Andre Shinabarger (Physician Assistant, Grady Hospital) and Jeff Shinabarger (Social Entrepreneur and Founder of Plywood People). They are asking the question: Is it possible to change the world, stay in love, and raise a healthy family? 100 interviews where Jeff and Andre learn from other working families in the journey of marriage, purpose, and parenting. Order the Love or Work Book! Website: www.loveorwork.com Instagram: www.instagram.com/loveorwork Love or Work is a project of Plywood People. Plywood is a non-profit in Atlanta leading a community of start-ups doing good. www.plywoodpeople.com

Happy Valentine's day to all who celebrate and all who don’t. Jeff and Andre kick off the conversation with their disagreements about V-day. But one thing they do agree on is how important this next conversation is. On this episode we are welcoming Jenna Worthen who started “Mom Who Works” an organization centered around redefining what it means to be a working Mom. Jennas work is at the center of why we started this project. In this episode you can listen out for these three things, “working moms”, who said that?, and the Mom’s Who Work grid. If you are caught in the middle of the chaos of being a Mom who works this conversation is for you. ------------ Welcome to the Love or Work Podcast, hosted by Andre Shinabarger (Physician Assistant, Grady Hospital) and Jeff Shinabarger (Social Entrepreneur and Founder of Plywood People). They are asking the question: Is it possible to change the world, stay in love, and raise a healthy family? 100 interviews where Jeff and Andre learn from other working families in the journey of marriage, purpose, and parenting. Order the Love or Work Book! Website: www.loveorwork.com Instagram: www.instagram.com/loveorwork Love or Work is a project of Plywood People. Plywood is a non-profit in Atlanta leading a community of start-ups doing good. www.plywoodpeople.com

We are back! In the final Season of the Love or Work podcast, we are diving in. There are no rules - maybe the episode features a couple, or maybe it's an individual. We feature couples from the LGBTQ+ community, we hear firsthand from people about what they are learning, and we talk to couples in all seasons of life. This season is full of conversations we've wanted to have for a while. We believe that you can learn something from anyone. So put in your headphones, go for a walk, maybe grab a cup of coffee, and let's see what we can take from an incredible group of people.

On this Episode of the Love or Work Podcast, Jeff and André share their thoughts on their last chapter “Labor of Love”. Today they are discussing plot twists and how covid was the most recent one to take place in all of our lives. Listen in for the plot twist, sub plot twist and constant evaluations you may face in your relationships. Listen in for the 5 questions you should talk about with your partner. Share your thoughts with your spouse and see where the new version of yourself blossoms in your relationship. Remember that the versions of yourself will always change but something that has to stay the same is the intentionality of understanding, learning, and being curious about the new version of your partner. ------------ Welcome to the Love or Work Podcast, hosted by Andre Shinabarger (Physician Assistant, Grady Hospital) and Jeff Shinabarger (Social Entrepreneur and Founder of Plywood People). They are asking the question: Is it possible to change the world, stay in love, and raise a healthy family? 100 interviews where Jeff and Andre learn from other working families in the journey of marriage, purpose, and parenting. Order the Love or Work Book! Website: www.loveorwork.com Instagram: www.instagram.com/loveorwork Love or Work is a project of Plywood People. Plywood is a non-profit in Atlanta leading a community of start-ups doing good. www.plywoodpeople.com

In today's episode, we invited John Tyson to share his thoughts on Chapters 10 and 11 of Love or Work with André and Jeff. John is a pastor who lives in New York City and recently released his book "The Intentional Father." In his book, he speaks on a guide of raising sons of courage and character. Though the book speaks on a father raising his sons, women too can grasp a great concept from him on today’s podcast. Listen for some great details, advice, and perspectives that he talks about on the podcast. ------------ Welcome to the Love or Work Podcast, hosted by Andre Shinabarger (Physician Assistant, Grady Hospital) and Jeff Shinabarger (Social Entrepreneur and Founder of Plywood People). They are asking the question: Is it possible to change the world, stay in love, and raise a healthy family? 100 interviews where Jeff and Andre learn from other working families in the journey of marriage, purpose, and parenting. Order the Love or Work Book! Website: www.loveorwork.com Instagram: www.instagram.com/loveorwork Love or Work is a project of Plywood People. Plywood is a non-profit in Atlanta leading a community of start-ups doing good. www.plywoodpeople.com

This week we are hearing from Celeste Holbrook. Celeste is a sexologist, speaker, and author and is with us today to talk about sex. Today we’re diving into chapter 9 and getting into a broader aspect of sex. On the podcast, you should listen out for some key points that we’ll be hitting on. Listen out for purity culture, sex being a negotiation, developing a sexual ethic, and sexual resilience. You can hear more from Celeste and take some virtual courses from her website at https://www.drcelesteholbrook.com. We promise you’re gonna wanna take notes for your partner! ------------ Welcome to the Love or Work Podcast, hosted by Andre Shinabarger (Physician Assistant, Grady Hospital) and Jeff Shinabarger (Social Entrepreneur and Founder of Plywood People). They are asking the question: Is it possible to change the world, stay in love, and raise a healthy family? 100 interviews where Jeff and Andre learn from other working families in the journey of marriage, purpose, and parenting. Order the Love or Work Book! Website: www.loveorwork.com Instagram: www.instagram.com/loveorwork Love or Work is a project of Plywood People. Plywood is a non-profit in Atlanta leading a community of start-ups doing good. www.plywoodpeople.com

On this Episode of the Love or Work Podcast Jeff and André get real about their thoughts on divorce. Listen in as they talk about a whole range of topics such as ,Why friends avoid telling them about their divorces, individual health vs institution of marriage and their thoughts on phrases such as “ Divorce is the easy way out.” and “My marriage failed.” This conversation is so important to Jeff and Andre because Love or Work is about encouraging people in relationships to stay healthy…NOT for encouraging people to stay in unhealthy relationships. Welcome to the Love or Work Podcast, hosted by Andre Shinabarger (Physician Assistant, Grady Hospital) and Jeff Shinabarger (Social Entrepreneur and Founder of Plywood People). They are asking the question: Is it possible to change the world, stay in love, and raise a healthy family? 100 interviews where Jeff and Andre learn from other working families in the journey of marriage, purpose, and parenting. Order the Love or Work Book! Website: www.loveorwork.com Instagram: www.instagram.com/loveorwork Love or Work is a project of Plywood People. Plywood is a non-profit in Atlanta leading a community of start-ups doing good. www.plywoodpeople.com

On today’s episode we invited Lynn Mercer, Heather Trilling, and Callie Rich to share their thoughts on Chapter 7 and 8 with Andre and Jeff. These three amazing friends are all in different ages and stages of life and are sharing their perspective and experiences they have faced. Listen out for these three things on how to manage care and capacity, vacations, and getting away. If you are looking for a way to balance care and capacity in your family or relationship, this is the podcast for you! Stay tuned next week for a special episode. We will be taking a short break from the book to help you catch up and to hear this incredible conversation. Welcome to the Love or Work Podcast, hosted by Andre Shinabarger (Physician Assistant, Grady Hospital) and Jeff Shinabarger (Social Entrepreneur and Founder of Plywood People). They are asking the question: Is it possible to change the world, stay in love, and raise a healthy family? 100 interviews where Jeff and Andre learn from other working families in the journey of marriage, purpose, and parenting. Order the Love or Work Book! Website: www.loveorwork.com Instagram: www.instagram.com/loveorwork Love or Work is a project of Plywood People. Plywood is a non-profit in Atlanta leading a community of start-ups doing good. www.plywoodpeople.com

This week we are hearing from Erika Brown, Dontoya Thompson, and Cristina Mineo. Erika is a real estate entrepreneur helping people build their wealth and is an amazing go-getter. Dawntoya is a homeschool teacher and is also in school getting her interior design degree and she’s going after her dreams. Cristina is a home renovator and is really killing the game. You will definitely resonate with one of these women and how they feel about chapters 5 & 6. Listen out for these three things on how you may engage your own life, your own relationships, and how these principles can connect with you and your partner. ------------ Welcome to the Love or Work Podcast, hosted by Andre Shinabarger (Physician Assistant, Grady Hospital) and Jeff Shinabarger (Social Entrepreneur and Founder of Plywood People). They are asking the question: Is it possible to change the world, stay in love, and raise a healthy family? 100 interviews where Jeff and Andre learn from other working families in the journey of marriage, purpose, and parenting. Order the Love or Work Book! Website: www.loveorwork.com Instagram: www.instagram.com/loveorwork Love or Work is a project of Plywood People. Plywood is a non-profit in Atlanta leading a community of start-ups doing good. www.plywoodpeople.com

On Today's episode we invited, Adam "Lumkile” Thomason who is a three time award winning documentarian, writer and filmmaker and Co-founder of 3Strandfilms and Jonathan Rich who is the founder, innovator, & lead agent of J.Rich Atlanta, to sit down and discuss Chapter 3 and 4 with Andre and Jeff. Three things to look out for, Michele Obama's dad, privilege and purpose. Adam and Johnathan both bring very unique perspectives to the table, both drawing from their personal experiences and upbringings to point out what they believe was maybe lacking in the research. This conversation is challenging and hopeful, it reminds us of where this project started and pushes us forward towards a new future. ------------ Welcome to the Love or Work Podcast, hosted by Andre Shinabarger (Physician Assistant, Grady Hospital) and Jeff Shinabarger (Social Entrepreneur and Founder of Plywood People). They are asking the question: Is it possible to change the world, stay in love, and raise a healthy family? 100 interviews where Jeff and Andre learn from other working families in the journey of marriage, purpose, and parenting. Order the Love or Work Book! Website: www.loveorwork.com Instagram: www.instagram.com/loveorwork Love or Work is a project of Plywood People. Plywood is a non-profit in Atlanta leading a community of start-ups doing good. www.plywoodpeople.com

We are kicking off Season 5 of the Love or Work podcast with a great first episode. André and Jeff sit down with Jesse and Emily, the Owners of the minor League baseball team “The Savannah Bananas'' based out of Savannah, Georgia. The first two chapters of the “Love or Work” book are filled with lots of adventure, which Jesse and Emily know ALOT about. We promise you this episode is BANANAS! --- About Season 5: We are so excited to announce that for Season 5 we are hosting a Love or Work Book Club. This week is the announcement! Next week, we will launch with an intro episode. We want to give you enough time to get your book, find another couple or two, and plan your book club! We will release a new episode every Tuesday that you can use to help deepen your book club discussion. These episodes will provide a fresh perspective outside of what's in the book. Here's the schedule: 2/1 - The Set up 2/8 - CH 1 + 2 2/15 - CH 3 + 4 2/22 - CH 5 + 6 3/1 - CH 7 + 8 3/8 - CH 9 3/15 - CH 10 + 11 3/22 - CH 12 3/29 - Wrap up ------------ Welcome to the Love or Work Podcast, hosted by Andre Shinabarger (Physician Assistant, Grady Hospital) and Jeff Shinabarger (Social Entrepreneur and Founder of Plywood People). They are asking the question: Is it possible to change the world, stay in love, and raise a healthy family? 100 interviews where Jeff and Andre learn from other working families in the journey of marriage, purpose, and parenting. Order the Love or Work Book! Website: www.loveorwork.com Instagram: www.instagram.com/loveorwork Love or Work is a project of Plywood People. Plywood is a non-profit in Atlanta leading a community of start-ups doing good. www.plywoodpeople.com