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If local legends, lore, and laughter are your thing, tune in to our podcast where we travel small town USA, one ghostly tale at a time.

If local legends, lore, and laughter are your thing, tune in to our podcast where we travel small town USA, one ghostly tale at a time.


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If local legends, lore, and laughter are your thing, tune in to our podcast where we travel small town USA, one ghostly tale at a time.




Listener Episode 7

In the immortal words of N'SYNC: It's [gonna be] May, which means we're back with another set of listener stories for you! This time with some ghoulish music, ghost children, and Furby pipe organs and pancakes. Don't have a clue what we mean by that? Then tune in to find out, and hear your own stories read by your favorite twins. Donate monthly here: https://www.patreon.com/orsotheysaypod Or a once off here: https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=T22PHA8NAUTPN And don't forget...


Twin Tangent 1

We realized there are 5 Thursdays this month, so we decided to do a little spin off for the occasion; a tangent if you will. Have you ever listened to one of our episodes and thought to yourself "Wow, I really like how they keep veering away from the original topic. These asides and anecdotes are really keeping me on the edge of a completely different seat"? Then you've wandered off to the right place. All of our distracted energy, compiled into one convenient location! The episodes will be...


Avon Bridge

Avon Indiana is apparently home to one of the most exciting things you could possibly do in the state ... drive under a bridge. It is a historical landmark for the city, but a large part of its history is rooted in something a little more haunted. Railway workers, mothers and babies, unsuspecting kids out for a swim, this bridge almost has it all, that is, if they're actually out there. Paypal Link: https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=T22PHA8NAUTPN Or donate at...


Macke (Hatchet Man) Cemetery

It's been a while since we've been back to Illinois, but we made the trek, and we think it was worth it. Armed with our new equipment we set out to investigate the legend of the hatchet man and his brutal killings. What makes this place scarier than others is the fact that hatchet man is based off of a real life murderer who may still be alive today. Listen to see if we were brave enough to stick around and invoke the spirits left behind by the hatchet man.


Markle Mill Dam

We're taking it back home this week to Terre Haute, Indiana. As we've mentioned before, just a stones throw away from where we grew up is already a slew of haunted locations. This is actually a location we visited over a decade ago, so we made our way back to see if the haunted stories still stand. We were very excited to finally use our new equipment for this one! You'll just have to listen and find out if it worked in our favor.


Listener Episode 6

We've got a number of stories on this one for you! Buckle up as we go back in time with some of our drink choices. That's right, choices plural; we may or may not finish 3 of 4 bottles of wine.. So listen to us drunkenly retell some of your stories, realize you aren't crazy for the inexplicable things that have happened to you, consider sending in some more of your own, and listen as we laugh, cry, and sometimes sing our way through you ghostly encounters.


The Slippery Noodle Inn

Good food, good music, good atmosphere, and good ghosts? This building saw a lot of purposes and a lot of iterations, standing through WWI, prohibition, slavery, and more. And with a history like that, you know a place is bound to be haunted. Did we meet the ghost of a woman from the brothel, an inexplicable spirit named George, the Dillinger and Brady Gangs, or all of the above? Let's find out, shall we?


Kitley-King Cemetery

New adventures, new locations, and (finally) new equipment! Not all haunted encounters need to happen in the dead of night, we know this due to residual hauntings, and this cemetery is a perfect example of that. Listen to us tell the story of John King and his harmonica, and find out if he played a little something for us.


Allison Mansion

Allison Mansion is one of Indiana's most notable haunted locations, despite the institutions efforts to avoid that kind of publicity. This one was a bit of a stretch to make happen, and like Kelsey mentions in the episode, "better to ask forgiveness than permission". Hopefully it will still be appreciated by them, and now enjoyed by you.


Listener Episode5

It's the first of the month, which means we're back with another listener episode! This month, our guest is one of the newest additions to the spooky crew, and just so happens to be Kelsey's girlfriend, Madi. As a sort of surprise, we decided to put shared spooky stories on the back burner this month to instead discuss a topic that's been a little more pressing to us recently. So grab some wine, and listen to us get a little too passionate about one of America's most infamous haunted...


Hacienda Restaurant - K&S Brewery

*Content Warning* Discussion of suicide/ gunshot sfx Nothing says spooky like a margarita and a wet burrito, right? This brewery turned Mexican restaurant was once home to one of Mishawaka's most prominent families. But tragedy may have left this building haunted with the unsettled souls of forbidden lovers. Sounds pretty over dramatic, sure, but is it actually true? Listen to find out.


M Moggers Restaurant & Pub

We're hitting REALLY close to home this time. Kelsey was informed of her second jobs haunted past, so of course we had to check it out. So we're heading down the street to Mogger's Restaurant in Terre Haute, IN. Armed with almost 200 years of history and a slew of encounters from employees and patrons alike, we roam the halls of the building Kelsey see's about 5 days a week to see if there's some ghostly activity she may have been missing all along.


St. Omer Cemetery

There's something unsettling about seeing a grave stone with a death date of February 31st, but you do what you gotta do to stop a witch from coming back and terrorizing the town that no longer exists, right? Did we find out if Caroline is really a witch? Was she really burned or hanged for her crimes? Listen to find out.


Listener Episode 4

This week we're discussing haunted houses with our friends Kevin and Kemp. They've got a few experiences to share with you, and we actually have a couple ourselves. We may have gotten two bottles of wine deep, but we managed to compose ourselves long enough to bring you an hour and a half of some pretty spooky yet entertaining content (at least we think we're funny). We also have our exciting announcement for you: merchandise is finally up! go check out our designs at...


Antioch Cemetery

Nothing says spooky quite like a nearly two hundred year old cemetery in the dead of winter in the middle of the night, and maybe this one delivered? This time we're in Dugger, IN at the Antioch Cemetery and Church. Haunted cemetery's may feel like a dime a dozen, but with countless souls put to rest in them, there's a good chance at least some of them may have left us before they were ready, and that's a lot of unfinished business to attend to.


Bobby Macky's Music World

One of America's most well known haunted locations, featured on almost a dozen different television shows, and the current home of a honky tonk music legend Bobby Macky, the site of Bobby Macky's Music World in Wilder, Kentucky has gone through many changes, and with each new business endeavor a new slew of spirits haunts the grounds. Although the owner himself is a skeptic, many visitors are convinced this is one of the most haunted places in America, so we had to know for ourselves. So...


Tunnelton Big Tunnel

We did not know what to expect when traveling to the small unincorporated township of Tunnelton Indiana, but little did we know, we were in for a "pleasant" surprise. There's a lot to unpack with this location, so listen to us get a little to into our wine, and find out why yet another location unexpectedly brought us to tears.


Listener Episode 3

We did it; we finally (barely) made it out of 2020! But let's been honest, we're only 7 days into the new year, and it has already been a tough first week. In light of recent events we were considering putting a hold on this episode, but sometimes in the tough times it's the lighthearted stuff that gets you through. So take a quick break from everything, enjoy our 3rd listener episode, and come with us as we try to redeem a few of our previously visited haunted locations. Who knows, maybe...


Willard Library Grey Lady

2020 is finally coming to a close, and we're wrapping up this years adventures in Evansville, IN at the Willard Library. The oldest public library in the state is also the home of the infamous Grey Lady. No one is quite sure who the grey lady actually is, but what everyone does know is she still haunts the library to this day. Strike up a conversation with any of the librarians, and they'll have plenty of stories to tell you.


Christmas Special

Well, things are slightly different this episode. And by slightly we mean .. we switched up almost everything! Different drinks, different experiences, and a lack of rating? This was honestly one of the most fun episodes we've recorded so far, and we hope you enjoy listening to it as much as we enjoyed making it. Happy holidays, everyone!