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Two Friends Talking About Things (2FTAT [TOOF-tat] for short) is a recorded series of conversations between long-time friends Jason Lengstorf (bit.ly/1LtjG8Z) and Nate Green (bit.ly/1CWAAtK). For Nate and Jason, personal growth and development has always been a primary focus. And deep, brutally honest conversations about their successes, failures, challenges, and fears have played a critical role in that personal development. But it’s a little unusual for grown men to have best friends. And it’s pretty intimidating to have a truly open conversation with a stranger. 2FTAT is not a replacement for real conversation, but it’s an attempt to open a window into the kinds of deep conversations that have helped shape Nate and Jason into the people they are today, and that will help them continue to develop into better people as time goes on. (They hope.) For a full intro and statement of goals, listen to the What Are We Talking About episode: bit.ly/1HIRKdj

Two Friends Talking About Things (2FTAT [TOOF-tat] for short) is a recorded series of conversations between long-time friends Jason Lengstorf (bit.ly/1LtjG8Z) and Nate Green (bit.ly/1CWAAtK). For Nate and Jason, personal growth and development has always been a primary focus. And deep, brutally honest conversations about their successes, failures, challenges, and fears have played a critical role in that personal development. But it’s a little unusual for grown men to have best friends. And it’s pretty intimidating to have a truly open conversation with a stranger. 2FTAT is not a replacement for real conversation, but it’s an attempt to open a window into the kinds of deep conversations that have helped shape Nate and Jason into the people they are today, and that will help them continue to develop into better people as time goes on. (They hope.) For a full intro and statement of goals, listen to the What Are We Talking About episode: bit.ly/1HIRKdj
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Two Friends Talking About Things (2FTAT [TOOF-tat] for short) is a recorded series of conversations between long-time friends Jason Lengstorf (bit.ly/1LtjG8Z) and Nate Green (bit.ly/1CWAAtK). For Nate and Jason, personal growth and development has always been a primary focus. And deep, brutally honest conversations about their successes, failures, challenges, and fears have played a critical role in that personal development. But it’s a little unusual for grown men to have best friends. And it’s pretty intimidating to have a truly open conversation with a stranger. 2FTAT is not a replacement for real conversation, but it’s an attempt to open a window into the kinds of deep conversations that have helped shape Nate and Jason into the people they are today, and that will help them continue to develop into better people as time goes on. (They hope.) For a full intro and statement of goals, listen to the What Are We Talking About episode: bit.ly/1HIRKdj

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English

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Episodes

Meta-Work: How Do We Know We’re Making the Right Choices?

2/4/2019
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Nate and Jason are back in Portland, which means we no longer have excuses not to record new episodes! 😅 How do people make choices? What mental models, frameworks, and other factors go into making those choices. And more importantly, _where the hell do those mental models come from_? In this episode, Nate and Jason talk about how they built their own decision-making frameworks by borrowing ideas from business, doing concentrated exercises to help them identify what they’re especially good...

Duration:00:42:00

Give Yourself The Opportunity To Continue — Tactics and Strategies For a Resilient Life and Career

11/8/2016
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When the shit hits the fan and your back’s against the wall and you’ve run out of other dramatic cliches, what habits, mindsets, and material things do you need to have in your life to continue on your path and be successful? That’s what this episode is all about. Although we go on our normal huge philosophical rants, this episode of 2FTAT is extremely tactical. We talk about: - how much money is enough, and how much debt is acceptable - investing in yourself by building skills and...

Duration:00:53:22

What Are You Optimizing For?

10/17/2016
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According to Derek Sivers, you should be optimizing your life for one thing — but that one thing is a different thing for each person. In this conversation, Nate and Jason discuss what they’re currently optimizing for, what they’ve optimized for in the past, and how those decisions have evolved over time. Additional topics (tangents?) include: - giving yourself the freedom to continue - avoiding mediocrity - the unexpected side benefits of optimizing our lives

Duration:00:41:38

Change and Labels

8/30/2016
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How do the ways we describe ourselves influence our behavior? In this conversation, Nate and Jason discuss the effects of changing our minds, how the labels we choose for ourselves can hijack our behavior, and whether or not a five-year plan can work. Referenced in this podcast: Nate's (young and naïve article about) 4 foods he'll never eat again: https://nategreen.org/4-foods-ill-almost-never-eat-again/ Jason's article about the stages of learning: https://lengstorf.com/learning-trap/ This...

Duration:00:29:57

Tony Feels Stuck and He's Ready to Quit

3/29/2016
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Tony is just about ready to close his business and start working at Starbucks. After ten years in the fitness industry, he feels like he’s lost the spark, and he’s not sure what he should do next — he just knows that what he’s doing right now isn’t making him happy. In this conversation, Nate Green and Jason Lengstorf talk with Tony about what we can do to find direction without having to burn it all down and start over. How can you tell if it’s time to make a major change? If something...

Duration:00:58:03

Lindsay Got Fired — Now What?

3/29/2016
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Lindsay always thought she’d eventually know what she wanted to be when she grew up. But after changing majors, grad school, getting married, and working in a job for three and a half years, she’s still not quite sure what “grown up” means, or what she wants to be — and the fact that she just got laid off is making that question a little more pressing. In this conversation, Nate Green and Jason Lengstorf talk with Lindsay about building skills instead of putting in time at a job, creating...

Duration:00:58:00

Adam Is Successful...but He's Not Happy

3/29/2016
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Adam’s daughter thinks he sleeps at his office. On paper, he’s got it made: multiple degrees from prestigious schools, an enviable career, and a comfortable salary. He’s got a wife, two daughters, a nice house in a good neighborhood — this dude’s life seems pretty charmed. But Adam’s not happy. Long hours and no work-life balance — Adam calls it more of a “work-work balance” — have left him feeling stuck, and contemplating quitting it all in search of something more meaningful. In this...

Duration:01:09:00

What's Different About Successful People?

8/27/2015
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Why do some people find success while other people — people who actually did better in school or had more opportunities — struggle to get by? Nate and Jason talk about honesty, calculated risks, betting on yourself, and showing up to the right places — and how that's led to their success in business and in life. 0:00 — Nate explains why this episode starts at a weird point. 1:35 — The conversation begins and Jason wants to avoid being masturbatory. 3:45 — The guys start to break down the...

Duration:00:43:50

The Silent Retreat (Being Alone, pt. 1)

7/22/2015
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Nate's recent 10-day silent meditation retreat at the Northwest Vipassana Institute (bit.ly/1Mj4PNE) is the topic. 3:20 — "It reminded me of a very low-level mushroom trip." – Nate 3:50 — Waking up by Sam Harris: amzn.to/1Mfihlw 4:25 — Joe Rogan's bit about the end of civilization: bit.ly/1RISgQ9 8:50 — "I didn't feel like I was a part of a cult, but I felt like other people were a part of a cult." – Nate 9:20 — Meditation teacher S.N. Goenka: bit.ly/1fXtKdv 10:20 — Nate explains why he...

Duration:00:20:15

Why Bother Meditating? (Being Alone, pt. 2)

7/22/2015
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What "alone time" really means, and why it's important. 4:48 — "I feel like everything I've ever learned about myself has come in the space where I didn't have outside stimulus." – Jason 12:30 — Why limiting technology is essential to getting the most of your alone time 19:50 — "I think the meditation thing, and I guess being alone, has allowed me to accept myself and my tendencies a little bit more." – Nate 20:00 — Nate goes to extreme lengths to limit his impulsivity 21:27 — "If left to my...

Duration:00:25:19

Emotional Minimalism (Being Alone, pt. 3)

7/22/2015
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How understanding your emotions is basically a superpower. 2:27 — "I was the perfect example of the kid who had no problems and therefore needed to invent a lot of problems." – Jason 3:00 — Jason explains how a psychedelic mushroom trip helped him look at his life from a different perspective 6:50 — "You're not someone that's just having experiences, you're part of the experience yourself as you live and go through life." – Nate 7:43 — "If you can cast off all the shit that's just weighing...

Duration:00:10:42

Material Minimalism (Being Alone, pt. 4)

7/22/2015
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On the importance of ditching unnecessary possessions. 1:20 — Fight Club: imdb.to/1fXToii (movie), amzn.to/1DAsktg (the book by Chuck Palahniuk) 3:10 — Missoula, MT (bit.ly/1MCUV7n) and Whitefish, MT (bit.ly/1fXUsTn) 4:00 — Nate talks about the process of deciding what to do with his physical possessions as he prepares to leave Portland and travel for an indefinite amount of time 14:14 — The Minimalists: bit.ly/1kgwuNU 17:30 — Jason explains why material minimalism is important to him 18:50...

Duration:00:27:56

Fighting (Relationships, pt. 1)

7/22/2015
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There are good and bad ways to handle disagreements. Nate and Jason discuss what's worked for them — and what hasn't. 4:40 — Science confirms the thing Jason thinks he's referencing: bit.ly/1NUi19Y 6:45 — Dane Cook's jelly fight bit: bit.ly/1HSdnLm 9:30 — Nate explains how you know you're in a good relationship 10:20 — Nate's wild hand gestures are apparent in his Twitter profile photo: bit.ly/1CtVYGM 13:20 — It's spelled “Annecy” (France)

Duration:00:17:16

Alone Time & Independence (Relationships, pt. 2)

7/22/2015
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Why independence is crucial in relationships, and how Nate and his partner, Chelle, brought back independence in their relationship. Plus, how Jason is managing independence in his fairly new relationship with Marisa. 3:30 — Chelle touches an elephant: bit.ly/1fuowpx 10:10 — Skyline Restaurant in Portland: bit.ly/1IPievF

Duration:00:17:55

Openness & Honesty (Relationships, pt. 3)

7/22/2015
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On being honest with yourself and loved ones, and how being vulnerable may just be the strongest thing you can do. 3:13 — “Your baller phase got me through my starving musician phase.” – Jason 9:09 — “I really think that vulnerability is the new strength.” – Nate 9:20 — The Facebook feed life: bit.ly/1HSDnEw 14:49 — “She shouldn't be my emotional sponge that soaks up all the shit that I don't wanna process.” – Jason 15:32 — Lying by Sam Harris: bit.ly/1LWpbMo 16:50 — “Did anybody ask me for...

Duration:00:21:26

The Honeymoon Phase (Relationships, pt. 4)

7/22/2015
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How to extend the “honeymoon phase” of a relationship with encouragement, honesty, and a healthy dose of silliness and play. 3:45 — “She just lets me be me and she pushes me to become a better version of myself, and I do the same for her.” – Nate 6:58 — “You keep evolving. So if the two of you are changing, if the two of you are still having new experiences, then you're becoming new people so that sense of discovery that makes it exciting when you're in a new relationship never dies.” –...

Duration:00:26:26

Compromise (Relationships, pt. 5)

7/22/2015
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What's okay to compromise on in a relationship? And where do you draw the line between making someone happy and changing who you are for someone else? 2:10 — Jason contemplates a daunting theoretical choice: his girlfriend or his beard. 7:05 — The complete Ralph Waldo Emerson quote: bit.ly/1GcjqTC 13:10 — The Princess Bride: imdb.to/1HSDUX4 25:42 — “I'm so ready for food and beer.” – Nate

Duration:00:25:49

Best Friends (What We're Talking About, pt. 1)

7/22/2015
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Is it weird to have a best friend as a full-grown man? Nate and Jason talk about nearly 20 years of friendship, and how their relationship has helped make them both into better people. 1:50 — Mortal Kombat for Sega Genesis: bit.ly/1K4O8Gi 3:07 — “I really didn't like you the first time that we met. I think the first year or so I just, like, put up with you.” – Nate 6:21 — “That was like the glue that held our friendship together – you would get me invited to parties, and I would make sure...

Duration:00:18:50

Deep Conversations (What We're Talking About, pt. 2)

7/22/2015
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Deep conversations can change the way we see the world — and the way we see ourselves. Nate and Jason talk about the impact deep conversations have had on their lives, and how those conversations became the reason to create this podcast. 1:00 — PN = Precision Nutrition: www.precisionnutrition.com 1:40 — “It's a matter of asking questions and sharing experience. I feel like the less that you give advice, the better the conversations are.” – Nate 4:20 — “Teaching something is learning it...

Duration:00:25:31