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"I Survived I Kissed Dating Goodbye" an Interview with Joshua Harris and Jessica van Der Wyngaard

So, this show was a long time coming. Since earlier in this year we had been playing phone and email tag with student filmmaker Jessica van der Wyngaard regarding her new documentary project that chronicles the lives of those influenced by Josh Harris, for good or ill. The first interveiw is a conversation with the filkmmaker- an Autralian, living in Canada, making a film about a largely American phenomenon. van der Wyngaard was engaging and willing to take on the critics of her project....


#Churchtoo with Emily Joy in Nashville

On this weeks episode we welcome back an old guest of the show: Emily Joy. Since last being on our show, Emily Joy has contributed to Jeff's book Sexy as well as co-founded the #churchtoo movement and has become something of a lightning rod for issues of abuse in the church. We interviewed Emily Joy while travelling through Nashville, and when she had told us she had "changed since we last me", we weren't sure what to expect. Turns out she is the same poet, critic and artist just having...


LIVE at Here We Still Stand 2018

On this weeks’ episode we take you back to the 2nd Annual Here We Still Stand conference in beautiful, if slightly milquetoast, San Diego (just kidding San Diego, we love you, as we have recorded at least once a year from your confines only to eventually praise your street food, socio-economic diversity and weather). Think of it as part of the road trip, as we recorded this show almost immediately upon returning from our road trip. Stay tuned in the next few weeks as we continue releasing...


Going Conservative in the Age of Trump

Eric Dorman discusses his personal transition from progressivism to classic conservatism despite being a never Trumper, and the pragmatic nature of Tennessee politics. He works for a nonprofit news source that serves the homeless in Nashville, is a frequent contributor to Mockingbird, and runs his own site called Kept Republic.


Character Matters

After five plus years of the podcast, we finally get around to a proper discussion of virtue ethics. We do so with the leading active scholar in America today: Christian Miller of Wake Forest University. (The Roman Catholic Alisdair McIntyre and Lutheran Gilbert Meilaender have both recently retired, so we don't think this claim is hyperbolic.) Miller is the author of several books and articles, but his recent book The Character Gap: How Good Are We? is a gem. And it is both good at handling...


Conversations with the Reverend Dr Victor Singingeagle

On today's show we travel into the deep south, racecar country, to meet up with Fr. Victor Singingeagle to talk about Potowatomi religion and Christianity, the pre-columbian social world of 15th c. America, and life as an outsider looking in. We first met Fr. Victor Singingeagle through our friends the Klembara's and Blake Flattely, who met him when they produced their documentary short on Concorida Selma. The Rev Dr holds two PhDs, one in anthropology and one in English and He is a former...


Expectations v Reality on the Road

Reflections on first leg of the road trip through the American Southeast, and an interview of three committed Christian kids in the Bible belt who defy easy categorization. Julia, Luke and Calista share their candid thoughts on hot button topics. Not a debate but fact finding.


Star Wars and Jesus in Orlando

The #VIWROADTRIP2018 is underway, and this is our first show from the road. While we are on the trip to visit a few people and places in the south, we started our RV trip in Orlando at the home of one of Jeff's best childhood friends. The beginning of the show is a little different than others, as we did this in the RV while driving- Dan opens the show with a bit of the "thesis" of the show and then the guys go into Star Wars, religion, walking away from what we once loved, devotion despite...


The Not-So-Sacred Enneagram?

Oh, that title almost sounds cynical. You know, like the kind of show that goes “you know that one incredibly popular thing? yeah? We, and God, disapprove”. That’s not our vibe, so, if you’re looking to slam on the Enneagram, that’s not what’s happening. In fact, you might be surprised at what we find as we dig into this popular, kinda-historical, emotional and psychological mapping system. We have some fun, talk about the popularity of these kinds of tests, and give you some info on our...


On Superheroes and the Heliand

On today's show we talk about heroes and superheroes as an entrance into talking about one of the great lost "superhero" stories of all time: the Heliand. This story, a kind of Beowulf meets King Arthur meets the Gospels, was super important during a few critical times in our history. The story is good, but it could be dangerous. Do our heroes fall prey to the dark side of the myth? Tune in and check it out.


Ep 303: History, Sex, and Community: Your Phone Calls

So, last week we gave you a show that clocked in at over two hours- we always recommend that you break the show up in to bits, and so it might take some time for you to get to this next show. But fear not, this one is a shorter show, comprised of a few questions and calls from listeners. Lest you think that a breezy call in show would allow us to dodge topics and pick easy questions like: best pizza topping? Or Unicorns or Bigfoot? But we want to let the show go where you, the listener, are...


Back to School Special V- Everything Has a Story: Interviews at Tyler Station

Whoa boy, this is a long one. But well worth it, and we hope you will agree. Break it up into a few listens, the show consists of three long form interviews. A few weeks ago we played the stunningly raw April Kirby discuss her own story of abuse in the church, but we didn't head down to a creative collective outside of Dallas to hear that story (though we are glad we did). We came down to do some work with our friends that Klembara's and record at their studio- The TX Studio- to record some...


Ep 301 Death, Sex, and McCain

Ok, so we have these interviews, and we have listener calls, and we wanted to get to all or most of these things this week. And then things changed, unfortunately. On this episode we talk about the place of public mourning, we answer your pressing questions on tyrannosaurus procreation, talk about the place and power of forgiveness, and some personal things for public processing (because that seems to be what we do to a fault).


How To Listen: Tension, Faith, and Art, An Interview with April Kirby

So this is show 300. And it's recorded on location in Dallas, TX. This interview was going to be in a series of interviews on craftsmanship, vocation and creativity. And trust us, April is one talented woman. You can check out her stuff on she tells stories, makes videos, and helps to document important life events. But, it's a little different than we thought. Dan met April and her husband Clint about a year ago here in Dallas and was dranw to their particular journey in the...


Spirit (Animal) in the Sky

Seriously, a show about animals. Which, of course would be interesting to a large majority of people given the fact we have an entire television networks devoted to animals. The problem is, neither of these two Drs are a zoologist, and we're pretty sure Dan couldn't tell you the difference between any two closely related animals (try him, ask him the difference between a seagull and a dove). But this show is not about zoology, but rather the imagery (sometimes from the zoo) that humankind...


Spoiling Saint Augustine

Augustine, his importance, the City of God, the Confessions, and what he means for Western Christianity. Also, is there any legitimate criticism or concern about his views on the relations between church and empire? Also, Jeff gives his take on the Beverly Hills Chihuahua franchise.


The Virtue in the Wasteland Hotline (Bling): Your Calls, Our Answers

"Why don't you guys talk about [fill in the blank] more often?" We've gotten this comment throughout the years, and as a show about everything, it's hard to give all of our topics the appropriate time. So- we opened the Virtue in the Wasteland Hotline at 1-844-393-0012. And, as you may have heard before, we dedicate shows to answering whatever burning questions you might have for your two favorite professors. Or us. Enjoy the show. And call in with your own question (90 second maximum)


Fear, Immigration, and North Dakota with guest Joe Laughon

On today's show we have another summertime special on which Dan is furiously overcompensating for Jeff being gone. And you win! That's right, another guest and two different topics, almost too much show. In the beginning of the show Dan talks about fear and immigration and then brings on policy analyst Joe Laughon to discuss the facts about what is happening on our border. And then, there is a summer time treat, a live talk given by Dan a few months ago in North Dakota. Dan sets it all up on...


Red and Yellow, Black and White, They Are Precious In His Sight? Two Interviews on Race and the Church

"If the Gospel is For Everyone, Why Is Everyone Around Me So White?" This was a question asked on today's episode by one of our guests, Doug Klembara. It led to our conversation on the short documentary his wife and friend just made, and leads us into the conversation Dan has with @Lex_Lutheran of Twitter fame, he's a man who digs his church but sees major racial issues to be discussed and combatted. Sure, when we talk about the college closing everything is "alleged" and these are nothing...


Summertime Spirituality

The title makes it sound like this is a serious show. It really isn't. Mostly filled with Dan and Jeff messing around, but that's part of the point. Plus, they do get to a serious bit 3/4 of the way in, about the importance of letting go of the tyranny of leisure... the idea we have to "do" something instead of receiving the gift of existing, releasing our pain and resentment, and setting aside ego and fear. That's where things end up: ten things we refuse to do even though we know it will...