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Conversations with the Reverend Dr Victor Singingeagle

On today's show we travel into the deep south, racecar country, to meet up with Fr. Victor Singingeagle to talk about Potowatomi religion and Christianity, the pre-columbian social world of 15th c. America, and life as an outsider looking in. We first met Fr. Victor Singingeagle through our friends the Klembara's and Blake Flattely, who met him when they produced their documentary short on Concorida Selma. The Rev Dr holds two PhDs, one in anthropology and one in English and He is a former...


Expectations v Reality on the Road

Reflections on first leg of the road trip through the American Southeast, and an interview of three committed Christian kids in the Bible belt who defy easy categorization. Julia, Luke and Calista share their candid thoughts on hot button topics. Not a debate but fact finding.


Star Wars and Jesus in Orlando

The #VIWROADTRIP2018 is underway, and this is our first show from the road. While we are on the trip to visit a few people and places in the south, we started our RV trip in Orlando at the home of one of Jeff's best childhood friends. The beginning of the show is a little different than others, as we did this in the RV while driving- Dan opens the show with a bit of the "thesis" of the show and then the guys go into Star Wars, religion, walking away from what we once loved, devotion...


The Not-So-Sacred Enneagram?

Oh, that title almost sounds cynical. You know, like the kind of show that goes “you know that one incredibly popular thing? yeah? We, and God, disapprove”. That’s not our vibe, so, if you’re looking to slam on the Enneagram, that’s not what’s happening. In fact, you might be surprised at what we find as we dig into this popular, kinda-historical, emotional and psychological mapping system. We have some fun, talk about the popularity of these kinds of tests, and give you some info on our...


On Superheroes and the Heliand

On today's show we talk about heroes and superheroes as an entrance into talking about one of the great lost "superhero" stories of all time: the Heliand. This story, a kind of Beowulf meets King Arthur meets the Gospels, was super important during a few critical times in our history. The story is good, but it could be dangerous. Do our heroes fall prey to the dark side of the myth? Tune in and check it out.


Ep 303: History, Sex, and Community: Your Phone Calls

So, last week we gave you a show that clocked in at over two hours- we always recommend that you break the show up in to bits, and so it might take some time for you to get to this next show. But fear not, this one is a shorter show, comprised of a few questions and calls from listeners. Lest you think that a breezy call in show would allow us to dodge topics and pick easy questions like: best pizza topping? Or Unicorns or Bigfoot? But we want to let the show go where you, the listener,...


Back to School Special V- Everything Has a Story: Interviews at Tyler Station

Whoa boy, this is a long one. But well worth it, and we hope you will agree. Break it up into a few listens, the show consists of three long form interviews. A few weeks ago we played the stunningly raw April Kirby discuss her own story of abuse in the church, but we didn't head down to a creative collective outside of Dallas to hear that story (though we are glad we did). We came down to do some work with our friends that Klembara's and record at their studio- The TX Studio- to record...


Ep 301 Death, Sex, and McCain

Ok, so we have these interviews, and we have listener calls, and we wanted to get to all or most of these things this week. And then things changed, unfortunately. On this episode we talk about the place of public mourning, we answer your pressing questions on tyrannosaurus procreation, talk about the place and power of forgiveness, and some personal things for public processing (because that seems to be what we do to a fault).


How To Listen: Tension, Faith, and Art, An Interview with April Kirby

So this is show 300. And it's recorded on location in Dallas, TX. This interview was going to be in a series of interviews on craftsmanship, vocation and creativity. And trust us, April is one talented woman. You can check out her stuff on she tells stories, makes videos, and helps to document important life events. But, it's a little different than we thought. Dan met April and her husband Clint about a year ago here in Dallas and was dranw to their particular journey in...


Spirit (Animal) in the Sky

Seriously, a show about animals. Which, of course would be interesting to a large majority of people given the fact we have an entire television networks devoted to animals. The problem is, neither of these two Drs are a zoologist, and we're pretty sure Dan couldn't tell you the difference between any two closely related animals (try him, ask him the difference between a seagull and a dove). But this show is not about zoology, but rather the imagery (sometimes from the zoo) that humankind...


Spoiling Saint Augustine

Augustine, his importance, the City of God, the Confessions, and what he means for Western Christianity. Also, is there any legitimate criticism or concern about his views on the relations between church and empire? Also, Jeff gives his take on the Beverly Hills Chihuahua franchise.


The Virtue in the Wasteland Hotline (Bling): Your Calls, Our Answers

"Why don't you guys talk about [fill in the blank] more often?" We've gotten this comment throughout the years, and as a show about everything, it's hard to give all of our topics the appropriate time. So- we opened the Virtue in the Wasteland Hotline at 1-844-393-0012. And, as you may have heard before, we dedicate shows to answering whatever burning questions you might have for your two favorite professors. Or us. Enjoy the show. And call in with your own question (90 second maximum)


Fear, Immigration, and North Dakota with guest Joe Laughon

On today's show we have another summertime special on which Dan is furiously overcompensating for Jeff being gone. And you win! That's right, another guest and two different topics, almost too much show. In the beginning of the show Dan talks about fear and immigration and then brings on policy analyst Joe Laughon to discuss the facts about what is happening on our border. And then, there is a summer time treat, a live talk given by Dan a few months ago in North Dakota. Dan sets it all up...


Red and Yellow, Black and White, They Are Precious In His Sight? Two Interviews on Race and the Church

"If the Gospel is For Everyone, Why Is Everyone Around Me So White?" This was a question asked on today's episode by one of our guests, Doug Klembara. It led to our conversation on the short documentary his wife and friend just made, and leads us into the conversation Dan has with @Lex_Lutheran of Twitter fame, he's a man who digs his church but sees major racial issues to be discussed and combatted. Sure, when we talk about the college closing everything is "alleged" and these are nothing...


Summertime Spirituality

The title makes it sound like this is a serious show. It really isn't. Mostly filled with Dan and Jeff messing around, but that's part of the point. Plus, they do get to a serious bit 3/4 of the way in, about the importance of letting go of the tyranny of leisure... the idea we have to "do" something instead of receiving the gift of existing, releasing our pain and resentment, and setting aside ego and fear. That's where things end up: ten things we refuse to do even though we know it will...


God, Drugs, and the Brain: Live at Crosswise 2018

It's another live show! This time with a bunch of high school kids who had spent the week at Concordia University, Irvine for the annual Crosswise Institute. They heard world class lectures and discussed really difficult and rewarding topics pertaining to the nature of God, the brain, science and drugs. On the final day of the institute, Jeff and Dan (Jeff is one of many behind the scenes for the institute at CUI), set up for a live show with a guest audience, a musical guest and a game....


The Wrath of God, Calvin, Hobbes and More of Your Calls

On today's show the guys take a little break from their recent shows on history and power (all the moloch business) to answer questions you have and listen to comments you've made on our ViW hotline. Enjoy the show!


Charles in Charge: On Crowns and Crosses

On today's show we are back discussing old-timey people and old fashioned ideas. Not because we think making them old makes them good, in fact, some of our characters are downright scoundrels. But we are looking for ways in which we might engage both the state and religious institutions in creating a compassionate, faithful, and flourishing state. This is, in part, a reflection of the joint research the guys have undertaken for their first joint publication. Enjoy the Show!


Constant(inian) Craving: The Church's Lust for Power

On today's show the guys get into some of the content of their latest research for the upcoming book. As the guys are looking for thoughtful ways to address contentious issues they sometimes come across a book that shakes things up a bit. In this case, it was Peter Leithart's Defending Constantine. Jeff and Dan discuss the book, the emperor and more importantly, what any of it means for us today.


Ep. 288 10 Things We've Learned in 5 Years

Hey, it's our 5 year anniversary show! And rather than simply talk about the show, we decided to do the mother of all "what did we learn" segments. If you've been traveling with us, you know it has been a wild ride and we have tried to be very open own our discussions with all of you. On this show we discuss the big take aways from over 275 consecutive weeks of broadcasting