Boxes and Lines

Join us for the 100th episode of "Boxes and Lines" as hosts Ronan Ryan and John Ramsay celebrate this milestone with IEX’s Chief Marketing and Communications Officer, Marija Zivanovic-Smith. In this special edition, we venture down memory lane with live reactions to memorable clips from the past five years. We’ve highlighted all the best moments, from early technical glitches to the time Ronan mistakenly called a guest by the wrong name for several minutes, and the playful squabbles between our hosts that fans know are really just one big thinly veiled lovefest. Cheers to 100 episodes and 100 more. Thanks for listening. Recorded April 17, 2024.

The “vanguard of Vanguard,” Gerry O’Reilly, stops by to chat with Ronan and JR to discuss the Vanguard Total Stock Market Index Fund ($1.6 trillion in AUM), his 30 years at the firm, and how the industry has evolved during his tenure. The three also touch on the proposed updates to Reg NMS by the SEC, AI, and cryptocurrency in a broad-ranging hot topics segment. Not to bury the lede, but Gerry also makes Boxes and Lines history as our first guest who is a former Olympian and talks about his experience representing Ireland in the men’s 1500 meters at the 1988 Summer Olympics. All this – plus Ronan making it through an entire episode without swearing – on Boxes and Lines. Recorded March 6, 2024.

The man, the myth, the legend - market structure expert Larry Tabb joins Ronan and JR to talk shop about crypto, AI, and hot-button topics including access fees, tick increments, and the SEC's regulatory direction. They also discuss the challenges of moving to T+1 settlement and whether sub-dollar trading is a “scam.” It’s a must-listen episode for the true market structure (and carpentry) wonks out there. Hit play and pull up a chair at the Larry Tabb table. Recorded February 1, 2024.

This week, Ronan and JR are joined by Ellen Correia Golay, a Treasury markets advisor at the New York Federal Reserve Bank and an expert in U.S. Treasury market structure and fixed income. Ellen dispels the gold heist myths of Die Hard 3, takes a closer look at all-to-all trading in Treasury markets, and discusses the SEC’s recent adoption of rules that could require principal trading firms to register as dealers. Recorded February 7, 2024.

Ronan and JR welcome back Chris Ekimoff and Kurt Wolfe, co-hosts of the 'inSecurities' podcast, to talk shop about the latest in securities regulation. With Chris's forensic accounting expertise and Kurt's background in law and SEC enforcement, they discuss the SEC's cautious stance on predictive analysis, industry reactions, and the effects of what some call the SEC’s 'regulation by enforcement' approach in the crypto space. Later in the show, they discuss how lawyers can protect their mental health in an industry where 24/7 work and availability is the norm, as well as the financial advice they’d give to their younger selves. Recorded January 16, 2024.

Join us for a special episode of Boxes and Lines, featuring Neal Freyman and Toby Howell of the wildly popular newsletter, the Morning Brew. Listen as JR and Ronan learn how they’ve helped re-shape business news, making it digestible for millennials and Gen Z - or should we say, Zillennials - from its humble beginnings as a cheat-sheet at the University of Michigan to becoming a digital media powerhouse under Business Insider. Neal and Toby discuss the changing habits of media consumption, the craft of simplifying complicated or niche business and financial news, and the time Toby accidentally purchased $40,000 worth of Sherman Williams stock. Tune in for a lively conversation on the impact of media in finance and the work that goes into a daily podcast and newsletter, starting with arriving to the office at an eye-watering 4:45 a.m. Recorded January 11, 2024.

Join Ronan and JR as they kick off 2024 with Dave Nadig, a “Financial Futurist” for ETF Trends and ETF Database, and an all-around expert in the ETF industry. In this episode, Dave shares his predictions for the year, discussing the election's impact on investments, the prospects of ESG and clean energy, the implications of SEC-approved Bitcoin ETFs, challenges in active ETFs, insights on Cathie Wood’s ARK in 2023, and the role of AI in finance. Get out your crystal balls out and compare your notes on what lies ahead with Dave on this special episode. Recorded January 9, 2024.

Shelley Eleby, Managing Director and Head of Marketing for Electronic Trading at BMO Capital Markets, joins Ronan and JR to talk strategy and the key to strong branding in an era of shrinking screen sizes and attention spans. An industry veteran, Eleby discusses her wariness of AI and the “shiny penny” effect it seems to be having across all aspects of business, including finance. Eleby and BMO’s focus is, instead, on market microstructure, an area where the company is experimenting to understand how new trading tactics play out in real markets. She reflects on her career journey, the role of corporate culture, and the importance of diversity in finance. Her advice for women in the industry: know your product deeply and always ask 'why.' Recorded December 7, 2023.

Amy Magnotta brings her expert take on the state of equity markets to the pod as we approach 2024. The Co-Chief Investment Officer at Ategenos Capital sheds light on everything from the fed's stance on interest rates, alpha drivers and the promising outlook for Japan, and potential tailwinds from the U.S. Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act. As 2024 looms as a “spicy” election year, Amy shares her strategies for navigating these politically choppy waters. Recorded December 5, 2023.

Ronan and JR are joined this week by Michael Seigne, a finance industry veteran with extensive experience in equity execution, and the founder of Candor Partners Limited. Listen as Michael breaks down the intricacies of corporate share buybacks and how these hotly debated practices influence shareholder value and corporate governance for public companies. Recorded November 16, 2023.

While you were still sleeping, the stock market was busy getting ready for the day. Ramon “Ray” Gonzalez, Head of Technology Operations for IEX Exchange, joins Ronan and JR to walk us through the checklist his team goes through every day – starting at 4 am – to get the market ready for smooth sailing. Plus, they delve into “bare metal” infrastructure, data centers, and the potential for exchanges to move into the cloud. Recorded January 31, 2022.

Jim Toes, President and CEO of the Securities Traders Association and a leading voice in market structure, joins Ronan and JR on the pod this week. Jim gives the guys a sneak peek of what's on the docket for STA’s 90th Annual Market Structure Conference, and also discusses the rise of stablecoins and Bitcoin ETFs, his thoughts on the SEC's proposed market structure reforms, the implications of a 24-hour trading day, and the greatest moment in the Big Short. Recorded October 3, 2023.

Anna Kurzrok, managing director of market structure at Jefferies, joins Ronan and JR to dive into the nuts and bolts of U.S. equities market structure. They chat about what the SEC's market structure proposals will mean for the big institutional players and everyday traders, the trajectory of AI in trading, the fragmentation of trading venues, and what's going on with off-exchange trading. Recorded August 29, 2023.

Barry Ritholtz, CIO of Ritholtz Wealth Management, and host of the popular Bloomberg podcast “Masters In Business,” joins JR and Ronan to discuss lessons learned from the 2008 financial crisis, misconceptions about inflation, and how the best way to gain experience is through not getting what you want. Tune in for a deep dive into the financial markets with Barry, who reveals how his background in behavioral finance and his fearless approach when launching his blog, the “Big Picture,” earned him the reputation as “one of the most dangerous people in financial media.” Recorded August 8th, 2023.

JR and Ronan are joined by Giancarlo, Annabelle, and Dennis - three of IEX’s 2023 summer interns - for this special episode about the aspirations of America’s upcoming workforce. Though Gen Z had to navigate remote schooling during Covid, grappling with global warming, and witnessing seemingly constant political and economic shifts, this episode reveals that what’s on their mind might resonate more closely with previous generations than one might think. Recorded August 8th, 2023.

What needs to change about the finance industry in order to close the gender gap? What will the next generation of Wall Street leaders look like? How will Gen Zers shape workplace culture - and the finance industry? On the latest episode of Boxes and Lines, Ronan and JR are joined by Katherine Jollon Colsher, President and CEO of Girls Who Invest, to discuss the longstanding gender gap within the finance industry and how Girls Who Invest is providing young women access to resources and education programs in asset management. They also discuss the necessity of bringing diverse perspectives into the workplace, the importance of management training, and what intersectionality really means. Recorded July 19, 2023.

It’s the debut of “Dear Boxes and Lines,” our listener mailbag series in which Ronan and JR are answering listeners’ most pressing questions. What would JR and Ronan change about market structure if they could wave their magic wands? What’s the hardest thing about operating a stock exchange? Who are their dream guests? (Elvis, we’ll figure out how to get your invite sent to the Great Graceland in the Sky). Hit play and get to know Ronan and JR outside the boxes and lines. Recorded July 12, 2023.

Duncan Higgins, founder of Sustainable Trading, joins Ronan and JR to discuss what it means to “trade sustainably.” They also touch on the environmental impact of data centers, the creation and implementation of best practices for firms (should employees be powering computers with stationary bikes?), and the global effects of changes in ESG legislation. Recorded June 21, 2023.

We’re dipping into our archives for this episode of Boxes and Lines and revisiting our episode with Eric “Batch” Budish (nickname bestowed by us), the Paul G. McDermott Professor of Economics and Entrepreneurship at the University of Chicago Booth School of Business, whose groundbreaking paper, “The High Frequency Trading Arms Race: Frequent Batch Auctions as a Market Design Response” has helped shape exchange design proposals in stock markets and futures markets. Featuring an updated intro from Ronan and JR. Original episode recorded July 28, 2021.

Ronan and JR are joined by Eric Stockland and Joe Wald of BMO Capital Markets on our latest episode to discuss the recent proposed market reforms by the SEC. Listen as they navigate the intricate web of regulations and the potential impact these reforms could have on the stock market, investors and the future of financial markets. Recorded April 5, 2023.