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The Road Back to You: Looking at Life Through the Lens of the Enneagram

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This weekly podcast, hosted by Ian Morgan Cron and Suzanne Stabile, looks at life through the lens Enneagram, an ancient personality type system that describes how human beings are wired. Submit questions with #theroadback2u on twitter.

This weekly podcast, hosted by Ian Morgan Cron and Suzanne Stabile, looks at life through the lens Enneagram, an ancient personality type system that describes how human beings are wired. Submit questions with #theroadback2u on twitter.
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This weekly podcast, hosted by Ian Morgan Cron and Suzanne Stabile, looks at life through the lens Enneagram, an ancient personality type system that describes how human beings are wired. Submit questions with #theroadback2u on twitter.




Connecting the Head and Heart: Knowing When to Observe or Help with Al (2) and Nita (5) Andrews - Episode 32

This is the series finale of The Road Back to You. On this episode, Ian and Suzanne speak with Al (Enneagram 2 - The Helper) and Nita (Enneagram 5 - The Investigator) Andrews. Al and Nita Andrews have more than 40 collective years counseling couples into healthy relationships. They are active at several ministries in Nashville and Franklin, Tennessee. Porter’s Call, Thistle Farms (paper studio), and St. Augustines Chapel at Vanderbilt.


The Gift of Thinking with Kenny Benge, Enneagram 5 (The Investigator) - Episode 31

On this week's episode of The Road Back to You, Ian and Suzanne speak with Kenny Benge who is a 5 on the Enneagram. Kenny is a Prior at Church of The Redeemer in Nashville, TN.


Dealing with Your Constant Critic with Ramsey Patton, Enneagram 1 (The Perfectionist) - Episode 30

One of the Enneagram numbers most requested by our listeners is the #1! And today we have a very special Enneagram One for you! Ian and Suzanne's guest is Ramsey Patton. She is a former lawyer, and now the Associate Pastor of Caring Ministries at Highland Park United Methodist Church in Dallas, TX. As part of her pastoral role, she leads a weekly worship service for the special needs community called, The Feast. As a healthy One, Ramsey has committed her life to serving others, and we...


The Enneagram in Marriage with Andy Gullahorn, Enneagram 9 (The Peacemaker) and Jill Phillips, Enneagram 6 (The Loyalist) - Episode 29

On this episode of The Road Back to You, Ian and Suzanne's guest are Jill Phillips and Andy Gullahorn. Jill is an Enneagram 6 (The Loyalist) and Andy a 9 (The Peacemaker). Their insight into how the Enneagram has helped them in their marriage and their role as parents while balancing their lives as full-time musicians is nothing short of inspiring. We have also included a bonus song, recorded by Jill and Andy live in The Road Back To You studio. Whether you are an Enneagram 6 or 9,...


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Being Grounded in Life's Adventure with Lillian Daniel, Enneagram 7 (The Enthusiast) - Episode 28

Today Ian and Suzanne's guest on The Road Back To You is Lillian Daniel. A pastor, author and award-winning preacher, who happens to be an Enneagram 7. In her interview, she talks about the process of discovering her number, the upside, and downside it has had on her life and vocation, and the importance of being grounded and living in the present moment. Lillian's enthusiasm for life will lift your day and help you gain a deeper understanding into the stimulating, and adventurous,...


Enneagram In Leadership with Michael Hyatt, Enneagram 3 (The Performer) - Episode 27

Welcome to Season Two of The Road Back To You: Looking at life through the lense of the Enneagram. To start this season, we are honored to have Mr. Michael Hyatt as our guest. Michael is an author, speaker, businessman, and virtual mentor. His accomplishments are featured in Forbes, Businessweek, The Wall Street Journal, CNN, and The New York Times. Michael is a healthy Enneagram 3. As a husband, the father of five daughters, and a successful CEO, we believe his experience will be...


The Enneagram in Life, Work, and Marriage - A Conversation with Wade and Heather Hodges -Enneagram 3 (The Performer) and 8 (The Challenger) - Episode 26

If you're married, or in a long-term relationship, you have experienced the struggle of understanding your partner and trying to interpret their behavior. You've learned that relationship is a balancing act of making two lives function together, while allowing each other the freedom of your individualities. Our guests today on The Road Back To You are Wade and Heather Hodges. Wade is a pastor, author, husband, and father. Heather is a visual and performing artist, wife, and mother. Their...


Processing Pain through Optimism - Insight to the Enneagram 7 (The Enthusiast) with Mihee Kim-Kort - Episode 25

If you're an Enneagram 7, you probably thrive on the idea that variety is the spice of life and you draw energy from staying active. Also, there's a good chance people accuse you of being optimistic to a fault. Welcome to the world of today's guest, Mihee Kim-Kort; Presbyterian Pastor, Author, Blogger (, mother of three (five-year-old twins and a three-year-old) and a self-ascribed hopemonger. You will resonate with Mihee when she describes her life as "Getting really...


The Enneagram and Therapy - A dialogue with Chris Gonzalez - Enneagram 9 (The Peacemaker) - Episode 24

Chris Gonzalez is a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and the Director of the Marriage and Family Therapy program at Lipscomb University. He is also a husband, father and an Enneagram 9. In his conversation with Ian, Suzanne on The Road Back To You, they discuss how understanding the Enneagram can be valuable in therapy, and some very helpful tools for resolving family conflict. To round out their conversation, Chris gives a therapist perspective of living life as an Enneagram 9; we...


Learning You Have A Voice: Insights from Sarah Bessey - Enneagram 9 (The Peacemaker) - Episode 23

Today's guest on The Road Back To You is Sarah Bessey (Enneagram 9): Blogger, Speaker, Wife, Mother of four, and Author of two books, Out of Sorts: Making Peace with an Evolving Faith and Jesus Feminist: An Invitation to Revisit the Bible's View of Women. If you tend to do anything to avoid conflict or wrestle with the importance of your life, then Sarah's perspective will be eye opening for you. From this incredibly insightful woman who jokes about being passive aggressive as her...


Being Judged Before You Are Known - A Conversation With Jo Saxton - Enneagram 8 - Episode 22

Our guest in Episode 22 is Jo Saxton (Enneagram8);Author, Speaker, Host of the popular podcast "Lead Stories," Chairman of the Board for a large non-profit, Lutheran Pastor, and as she so energetically puts it, “a Nigerian Londoner.” And if that isn't enough, Relevant Magazine has just listed Jo as one of “7 Leaders to Follow in 2017.” Jo is every bit an Enneagram 8. She’s a bundle of energy who doesn’t just walk into a room; she owns it. But with this confidence, you will learn that there...


Finding a Place of Honesty - A Conversation with Jim Danaher - Enneagram 3 - Episode 21

You would think that a Professor of Philosophy and author of five books would, for the most part, have life figured out. But what we learn from today's guest Jim Danaher (Enneagram 3) is that we all need to continue to do soul-work, to strengthen the muscles of self-observation to get to a place of honesty. Jim, an academic and expert on contemplative prayer, speaks of how coming into stillness helps us see that it's not enough to find our identity in our image and what we accomplish. In...


Anger, Vulnerability, and Spiritual Transformation: Insight from Patrick Chappell - Enneagram 8 - Episode 20

Enneagram 8's are known to be aggressive, champions of justice, and people who welcome opposition. Our guest Patrick Chappell is the only African American staff member in a large southern church, an Enneagram 8, and one of the best people we know to help us understand how our individual life story shapes our personality. Ian, Suzanne, and Patrick explore dealing with feelings of betrayal and how to manage our anger to live a life of grace. Because of Patrick's unique situation, he offers...


Living In An Age of Profound Anxiety: A Conversation with Jeff Chu - Enneagram 6 - Episode 19

Our guest today on The Road Back To You is Jeff Chu (Enneagram 6), a journalist whose work has appeared in The New York Times Magazine, Travel+Leisure, The Wall Street Journal, and Time Magazine. He is the author of Does Jesus Really Love Me?: A Gay Christian's Pilgrimage in Search of God in America and currently a student at Princeton Seminary. As a writer who has professionally spent most of his career telling other people's story, Jeff explores how examining his own story has lead to the...


Reclaiming Hope: A Conversation with Michael Wear on Politics, the Enneagram, and how America moves forward - Episode 18

The election is over. How do you feel? For some, the response to what happened last week is pure elation, and others complete disgust. But for most, the feelings are likely surrounded by confusion, fear, apprehension, and uncertainty about the future. As promised, author and political strategist Michael Wear returns to The Road Back To You to help Ian and Suzanne examine what just happened and how it profoundly affects everyone. Here are some things that you don't want to miss: Join Ian,...


“How Do You Manage The Unrest In Your Soul?” A Heart-To-Heart Encounter With Michael Cusick (Enneagram 2) - Episode 17

Do you feel like St. Paul, wondering why you continue to do the very things you don’t want to do? Do you desire something that seems unavailable to you … knowing you are safe; feeling like you are wanted; believing your needs will be taken care of? This week on The Road Back to You, Suzanne and Ian interview Michael Cusick, a psychotherapist, ordained minister, speaker, and author of Surfing For God: Discovering the Divine Desire Beneath Sexual Struggle. Michael brings an incredible depth...


Who Are You On Social Media? A conversation with Austin Graff (Enneagram 2 or 6?) - Episode 16

Have you been listening to The Road Back To You podcast and still don't know your Enneagram number? Then you're not alone. Our guest this week is Austin Graff; Talent Acquisition and Branding Specialist for The Washington Post, and former social media specialist for International Justice Mission and Honest Tea. Austin has known about the Enneagram for several years and is struggling to choose between the two numbers that sound like him. In this episode, as Austin explores whether he is an...


The Enneagram and the Creative Process: Part 2 with Cindy Morgan (Enneagram 4) and Andrew Greer (Enneagram 2) - Episode 15

Last week Ian and Suzanne interviewed Cindy Morgan and Andrew Greer, Enneagram 4 and 2 respectively, and how their personality traits impact their relationship with each other as touring musicians and songwriters. This week, in Part 2 of their interview, they dive deeper into their Enneagram numbers, and explore: 1. How 4's are the only number on the Enneagram who can bear witness to the pain and not have to fix it. 2. The meaning of being present to the Presence. 3. Where 2’s and 4’s...


The Enneagram and the Creative Process: Insight from Cindy Morgan (Enneagram 4) and Andrew Greer (Enneagram 2) - Part 1 - Episode 14

Do you ever wonder how the Enneagram can help in your relationship with another person? Maybe you work with someone who is on the opposite side of the personality spectrum, and you have a hard time connecting or relating to them. Well, this week's podcast should be very helpful for you! Ian and Suzanne interview Cindy Morgan (Enneagram 4) and Andrew Greer (Enneagram 2); two of Nashville's finest singer/songwriters who write, tour and sing together. While they are both in the...