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A podcast focusing on issues related to nonviolence, and a member of the Kingdom Outpost.

A podcast focusing on issues related to nonviolence, and a member of the Kingdom Outpost.


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A podcast focusing on issues related to nonviolence, and a member of the Kingdom Outpost.








(115) S7E12 Nonviolent Action: Iranian Revolution

We look at the Iranian Revolution and discuss how nonviolent movements can be used by violent opportunists, and how we often create our own enemies.


(114) S7E11 Pastor Wang Yi's "My Declaration of Faithful Disobedience"

After two difficult episodes which ask us as Christians to consider what it means to love and submit, we go for round 3. This episode looks at Pastor Wang Yi's article entitled, "My Declaration of Faithful Disobedience." Thanks to Hannah Nation and the China Partnership for permission to reproduce this. Looking forward to their upcoming book on Pastor Yi!


(113) S7E10 {Interview ~ Kingdom Women} Submission, Oppression, and Freedom

In light of our last two episodes, I thought it would be good to have some women come on and help me understand how to work through I Peter's call for the oppressed to submit even through oppression. 0:00 - Intro 2:30 - Recap 6:00 - Guest Intros 11:10 - What is submission and obedience? 31:00 - What does it mean to remain in our position? Is divorce a viable option? 43:45 - How can we ask those being oppressed to be nonviolent and longsuffering? 55:20 - How is the church doing with our...


(112) S7E9 His Stripes and Our Stripes

We take a slight rabbit trail on Easter (May 2, 2021 for the Eastern Orthodox) from discussing nonviolent action. I look at the Bible's call for the Christian to suffer and how modern Christians have thrown that off in a variety of ways. I ask how this dismissal of our suffering undercuts our ability to ask other groups to suffer and bear up under their circumstances.


(111) S7E8 Nonviolent Action: Civil Rights

In this episode we look at how the Civil Right's Movement utilized (knowingly or unknowingly) the power of innocence. We also discuss our perception of history and the threshold of self-interest in movements.


(110) S7E7 Nonviolent Action: WWII

World War 2 is probably the most cited counter example for nonviolence. The Nazi threat was so clear and so powerful, only violence could have prevailed. In this episode we look at the impact nonviolence played in WWII, as well as the destruction left in the wake of those who embraced violence, and the lies and violence we continue to live with today as a result of that.


(109) S7E6 Guns would have stopped the Holocaust

This episode marks the 76th anniversary of Dietrich Bonhoeffer's execution in Nazi Germany. I take a break from looking at how positive non-violent movements work to asking whether or negative actions, like retaliatory violence, might work better at preventing atrocity. Fascism, like nonviolent action, is a populous movement whose force comes in numbers and the strength of the bond. Viral ideologies and movements, whether good or bad, can't be stopped with guns.


(108) S7E5 Nonviolent Action: Gahndi's Salt March

Gandhi is perhaps the most famous implementer of nonviolence in history. In this episode we look at his five principles of "soul force" and their importance to nonviolent action.


(107) S7E4 Nonviolent Action: The American Revolution

We take a look at the unexplored/underexplored nonviolent foundation of the American Revolution, and how a violent turn impacted the huge gains made by nonviolent action. We also bring in the pro-violent camp's favorite pastime - hypotheticals - and discuss the hypothetical present we'd have had violence not been used in rebellion against governing authorities.


(106) S7E3 Nonviolent Action: Antiquity

We continue our series on nonviolence by looking at three examples of nonviolence in history, discussing what they can teach us about nonviolence, as well as how we shape and tell history.


(105) S7E2 Nonviolent Action: Reasons Why Civil Resistance Works

This episode digs into the book, "Why Civil Resistance Works." We discuss research comparing nonviolent action with violent action, and how we should make sense of the counterintuitive conclusion which shouldn't be counterintuitive for Christians.


(104) S7E1 Nonviolent Action: The Role of Fear in Violence

We begin our season on nonviolent action. This episode starts to lay the groundwork by looking at the four ways of response: fight, flight, freeze, and sacrifice. We explore what it means to sacrifice, and the power behind it, and compare its handling of fear with violence's antithetical response.


(103) S6E11 John Howard Yoder's Sexual Assaults

Today we are ending our series by discussing John Howard Yoder's sexual assaults. I discuss why I find value in his work despite atrocious actions, and how we can and do distinguish between judging people and judging truth. *This episode has ended up being released at a time when so many Christians are having to deal with the news of Ravi and his sexual exploitation of so many women. The news of Ravi has caused me to reflect back on this episode, as I've seen a number of good arguments come...


(102) S6E10 Means and Ends: The Vacuous Facade of Legislation

We finish up our "Means and Ends" series by looking at government and politics. What might these means tell us about the ends they are able to procure?


(100) S6E8 Means and Ends: Spanking [PART 2]

In the second episode on spanking I lay out a case against the use of spanking by using the book "Corporal Punishment in the Bible."


(99) S6E7 Means and Ends: Spanking [PART 1]

I take a look at another specific application of our means and ends discussion by addressing the issue of spanking. This is a two part series. In the first episode I lay out a little of my journey and discuss why I historically thought spanking was a viable tool for parents, and in the second episode I will make a nonviolent case against spanking.


(98) S6E6 Means and Ends: Fire with Fire

We begin looking at applying the idea of means and ends to real world actions. In this episode we discuss a shooting in a Texas church where an active shooter was killed by church security. We compare an armed Christian response to violence with the martyrdom of Polycarp and ask whether the means of killing enemies creates the types of ends for which we say we're aiming.


(97) S6E5 Means and Ends: A Church Father, a Progressive Minority, and a Conservative Calvinist Walk into a Bar...

"Means are the ends in the process of becoming." We explore in this episode the idea that the ends are concomitant with the means. You can't grow apples on a pear tree. The seeds you plant produce the fruit you will harvest. We look at theologians from three very different places on the spectrum of Christianity to make this case for nonviolence. You can't get the ends of peace through the means of violence. Note: Today is the birth day of Martin Luther King Jr., so this episode which speaks...


(96) S6E4 Means and Ends: Purposing

This episode builds a bridge from Yoder's "The Politics of Jesus" to an argument for nonviolence related to that foundation. This episode identifies where purpose comes from and sets the stage for next week.