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For this full-on “what is a photo” episode, we start by chatting with Halide developers Ben Sandofsky and Sebastiaan De With about what it means to build a camera app in 2024 — and what it means to try and accurately capture a photo. Then The Verge’s Allison Johnson joins the show to talk about her experiment going all-in on AI-ifying her photos. Finally, we answer a hotline about which gadgets to attach to your head when you go for a run. Further reading: Halide Halide’s Process Zero feature captures photos with no AI processing Let’s compare Apple, Google, and Samsung’s definitions of ‘a photo’ No one’s ready for this Google’s AI tool helped us add disasters and corpses to our photos The AI photo editing era is hare, and it’s every person for themselves This system can sort real pictures from AI fakes — why aren’t platforms using it? Email us at vergecast@theverge.com or call us at 866-VERGE11, we love hearing from you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nilay, Alex, and David discuss Microsoft's new Copilot announcements, and the friendlier face the company is trying to put on its chatbot. They also wonder: what, exactly, is an AI companion supposed to do for you, and how is it supposed to do it? They then dive into OpenAI's huge funding round, before exploring all the new gadgets of the week and some deep drama in the WordPress universe. Finally, it's time for a lightning round of news about Dish and DirecTV, Progressive Web Apps, and Nintendo's fight against emulation. We also send off Alex, our sadly departing co-host, with cake and Plex servers. Further reading: Microsoft gives Copilot a voice and vision in its biggest redesign yet Read Microsoft’s optimistic memo about the future of AI companions Shh, ChatGPT. That’s a Secret. - The Atlantic College students used Meta’s smart glasses to dox people in real time Sonos has a plan to earn back your trust, and here it is Chromebooks are getting a new button dedicated to Google’s AI Microsoft is discontinuing its HoloLens headsets Google’s Pixel Buds are now fully supported on Windows and macOS. Automattic demanded a cut of WP Engine’s revenue before starting WordPress battle DirecTV and Dish are merging Nintendo has reportedly shut down Ryujinx, the Switch emulator that was supposedly immune Email us at vergecast@theverge.com or call us at 866-VERGE11, we love hearing from you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Verge's Jennifer Pattison Tuohy joins the show to discuss a bunch of updates in the smart home world, including what's new from Google Home and in iOS 18, plus some big news in the world of smart locks and video doorbells. Then, The Verge's Chris Welch comes on to test some new earbuds, and see which pair has the best sound – and the best mic. After that, a new take on the Vergecast's chaotic wearables theory. Further reading: Ki is bringing wireless power to kitchen appliances The Eufy Smart Lock E30 is the company’s first Matter device The Ultraloq Bolt Mission from U-tec is the first smart lock with UWB Assa Abloy buys Level Lock to bolster its smart lock business TP-Link Tapo D225 Video Doorbell Camera review Ring’s entry-level wireless doorbell gets a head-to-toe view iOS 18 lets you control Matter devices without a smart home hub The Thread 1.4 spec is here, but it will be a while until we see any benefit Google TV gets a big upgrade Google is set to supercharge Google Home with Gemini intelligence And on wireless earbuds: The best wireless earbuds to buy right now Samsung’s Galaxy Buds 2 Pro are its best earbuds yet Google Pixel Buds Pro 2 review: big upgrade, much smaller earbuds Bose’s new QuietComfort Earbuds offer top-tier ANC for under $200 Apple AirPods 4 review: defying expectations Nothing’s first open-ear headphones keep you aware of your surroundings Email us at vergecast@theverge.com or call us at 866-VERGE11, we love hearing from you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Michael Sayman, the creator of a viral new app called SocialAI, joins the show to discuss why he built a social network where you're the only human around. He tells us how he thinks about AI interfaces, what's next for ChatGPT and other chatbots, and why posting to a language model might be better than posting on a social network. Further reading: SocialAI Michael Sayman on LinkedIn SocialAI: we tried the Twitter clone where no other humans are allowed From TechCrunch: Friendly Apps raises $3 million, pre-product, for apps that improve people’s well-being From Wired: I Stared Into the AI Void With the SocialAI App From New York Magazine: Does Anyone Need an AI Social Network? From Ars Technica: “Dead Internet theory” comes to life with new AI-powered social media app Email us at vergecast@theverge.com or call us at 866-VERGE11, we love hearing from you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Verge's Alex Heath joins Nilay, Alex, and David to talk about all the announcements coming out of Meta Connect: the impressive (and expensive) Orion glasses, the new features for the Ray-Ban Smart Glasses, and lots and lots of new AI. Then they discuss the latest executive departures at OpenAI, as the industry's foremost AI company undergoes a huge shift. In the lightning round, it's time for more AI gadgets, the PS5 Pro... and then some more AI gadgets. Further reading: Meta Connect 2024: biggest news and announcements Hands-on with Orion, Meta’s first pair of AR glasses Meta’s Ray-Bans will now ‘remember’ things for you Why Mark Zuckerberg thinks AR glasses will replace your phone Meta’s VR app store is about to fill up with phone-style 2D apps Mark Zuckerberg: creators and publishers ‘overestimate the value’ of their work for training AI Meta’s AI can now talk to you in the voices of Awkwafina, John Cena, and Judi Dench Kristen Bell told Instagram to ‘get rid of AI’ before she became its official voice OpenAI CTO Mira Murati is leaving Just 5,000 people use the Rabbit R1 every day Google Pixel Buds Pro 2 review: big upgrade, much smaller earbuds I played the PS5 Pro, and it’s clearly better Inside Jony Ive’s Life After Apple and His LoveFrom Design Business Email us at vergecast@theverge.com or call us at 866-VERGE11, we love hearing from you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kylie Robison joins the show to talk about OpenAI’s new model, o1, and what this new “reasoning” model says about the state of the art in AI — and what AI companies are willing to put up with in the name of building God. Then, Gaby Del Valle and Adi Robertson talk through the latest on the TikTok ban, the Trump crypto chaos, and the ongoing adtech antitrust trial against Google. (All with as little politics-talk as possible.) Further reading: OpenAI releases new o1 reasoning model OpenAI’s new model is better at reasoning and, occasionally, deceiving TikTok ban: all the news on attempts to ban the video platform TikTok oral arguments will weigh security risks against free speech TikTok faces a skeptical panel of judges in its existential fight against the US government Donald Trump is hawking tokens for a crypto project he still hasn’t explained US v. Google redux: all the news from the ad tech trial How Google got away with charging publishers more than anyone else Email us at vergecast@theverge.com or call us at 866-VERGE11, we love hearing from you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

For the first episode in our new miniseries about the impact of AI in our everyday lives, we chat with Steven Johnson, a longtime author who has spent the last couple of years at Google working on an AI research and note-taking tool called NotebookLM. We talk about whether AI can really help us learn better, how Google has tried to make NotebookLM more accurate and helpful, and whether AI-generated podcasts are the future of learning. Further reading: NotebookLM Steven Johnson’s website / newsletter From Steven Johnson: Listening To The Algorithm Google teases Project Tailwind — a prototype AI notebook that learns from your documents Google’s AI-powered note-taking app is the messy beginning of something great Google is using AI to make fake podcasts from your notes Email us at vergecast@theverge.com or call us at 866-VERGE11, we love hearing from you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nilay, Alex, and David are joined by Wall Street Journal columnist Joanna Stern to talk about this year’s iPhone – and Joannabot, the AI chatbot Joanna made to help you make buying decisions. They also answer some questions about the new phones as Apple gets ready to ship them. They also talk about Snap’s new Spectacles, the future of YouTube communities, Instagram teens, and AI social networks. Further reading: Our iPhone 16 Review, Brought To You By a Joanna Stern AI Chatbot Snap releases new Spectacles for AR developers Snapchat’s AI selfie feature puts your face in personalized ads — here’s how to turn it off Snap announces “Simple Snapchat” redesign to compete with TikTok Evan Spiegel explains why Snap is betting on Spectacles Meta extends its Ray-Ban smart glasses deal beyond 2030 YouTube’s new Hype feature is a way to promote and discover smaller creators YouTube integrates AI for creators through Veo and the Inspiration tab YouTube Communities let fans and viewers chat and post with creators YouTube confirms your pause screen is now fair game for ads YouTube is adding ‘seasons’ to make your favorite channel more like Netflix SocialAI: we tried the Twitter clone where no other humans are allowed Lionsgate signs deal to train AI model on its movies and shows Email us at vergecast@theverge.com or call us at 866-VERGE11, we love hearing from you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

We've finally finished testing, scoring, and reviewing Apple's new gear for the fall. On this episode we talk through our reviews of the iPhone 16 and 16 Pro, the Apple Watch 10, and the AirPods 4, to see whether they're real upgrades and whether they're worth your money. And then, on the Vergecast Hotline (866-VERGE11), we make the case for the Pixel in 2024. Email us at vergecast@theverge.com or call us at 866-VERGE11, we love hearing from you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Peak Evernote was roughly a decade ago. Since then, the product has often felt stagnant (or worse), the company churned through executives and business plans, and it seemed like Evernote was slowly turning into a zombie app. Not gone, not even forgotten, just sort of... there. For the third and final installment in our series about productivity and digital life, we sit down with Federico Simionato, the Evernote product lead at Bending Spoons. We talk about the acquisition process, how he perceives Evernote in today’s landscape, what it took to start shipping new stuff again, why Bending Spoons changed the subscription price, and much more. Email us at vergecast@theverge.com or call us at 866-VERGE11, we love hearing from you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nilay, David, and Alex talk about the new PlayStation 5 Pro — why it's so expensive, why it doesn't have a disc drive, and why it made so many people feel feelings. They also talk about the fallout from this week's iPhone launch, the first days of the Google ad trial, Kamala Harris's earrings, Huawei's triple-folding phone, and much more. Further reading: PS5 Pro: all the news about Sony’s next console Sony’s PS5 Pro has a larger GPU, advanced ray tracing, and AI upscaling The $700 PS5 Pro doesn’t come with a disc drive Sony’s new PS5 heralds the end of disc drives Here are all the games enhanced by PS5 Pro PlayStation 5 Pro comparison: What’s different from the regular PS5? Sony will sell you a refurbished PS5 if you don’t want to drop $700 on a Pro The people want disc drives. Microsoft lays off 650 more Xbox employees No, Kamala Harris wasn’t wearing these audio earrings These are real earrings — and also real earbuds Google Pixel Watch 3 review: third time’s the charm Huawei’s new tri-fold phone costs more than a 16-inch MacBook Pro Here’s a closer look at the Huawei Mate XT triple-screen foldable The Meta Quest 3S leaks in Meta’s own PC app Google and the DOJ’s ad tech fight is all about control Google dominates online ads, says antitrust trial witness, but publishers are feeling ‘stuck’ WhatsApp will send messages to other apps soon — here’s how it will look The US finally takes aim at truck bloat Google is using AI to make fake podcasts from your notes Facebook and Instagram are making AI labels less prominent on edited content Email us at vergecast@theverge.com or call us at 866-VERGE11, we love hearing from you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Apple launched the iPhone 16, Apple Watch Series 10, and AirPods 4 at its annual fall event in Cupertino. The devices come with some big upgrades — a new camera control on the iPhone, a new design on the Watch — but also a lot of promises about AI. Today on the show, we discuss everything that's new, everything that's missing, and all the reasons you might or might not want to upgrade your Apple gear this year. Further reading: iPhone 16 event live blog: all the news from Apple’s keynote iPhone 16 event: all the news from Apple’s keynote Apple announces the iPhone 16 with a faster processor and Camera Control button Apple announces the iPhone 16 Pro iPhone 16 Pro and 16 Pro Max hands-on: don't call it a shutter button Apple Watch Series 10 announced with bigger screen and thinner design The AirPods Pro 2 will soon double as hearing aids iOS 18 will launch next week with new ways to customize your homescreen Apple announces AirPods 4 with noise cancellation and better sound AirPods 4 hands-on: noise cancellation for people who hate ear tips Apple has a faster MagSafe charger to go with the new iPhone 16 phones Apple has a faster MagSafe charger to go with the new iPhone 16s It sure looks like FineWoven is dead Apple’s Visual Intelligence is a built-in take on Google Lens Beats’ new iPhone 16 cases work with the Camera Control button Email us at vergecast@theverge.com or call us at 866-VERGE11, we love hearing from you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Verge's Nilay Patel, David Pierce, and Alex Cranz discuss previews for the Apple event, gadgets at IFA, the latest with Snap, and a whole lot more. Further reading: Apple’s iPhone 16 launch event is set for September Apple’s iPhone 16 event: how to watch and what to expect Apple’s rumored Mac Mini redesign may ditch the USB-A port Is our long FineWoven nightmare almost over? What Not to Expect at Apple Event on September 9: 'It's Glowtime' A new low-end Magic Keyboard may come next year. Apple Sports is ready for all kinds of football Inside Apple’s theatrical U-turn on Wolfs. Ted Lasso could come back for a fourth season Beats’ long-awaited Powerbeats Pro 2 earbuds are coming in 2025 Microsoft and Apple are arguing over cloud gaming apps again The Remarkable Paper Pro is as outrageous as it is luxurious Honor’s superthin foldable is another cool phone the US won’t get TCL’s new Nxtpaper phones have a dedicated button for maximum monochrome Our first official look at Huawei’s tri-fold. Acer’s first handheld gaming PC is the Nitro Blaze DJI’s $199 Neo selfie drone is going to be everywhere Acer’s Project DualPlay concept laptop has a pop-out controller and speakers Acer’s 14-inch laptops claim 24 hours of battery life from Intel, Qualcomm, or AMD Qualcomm’s new eight-core Snapdragon X Plus makes these Windows laptops cheaper IFA 2024: hands-on (and off) with Lenovo’s Auto Twist AI PC concept Intel strikes back against Windows on Arm Verizon looks to expand Fios with $20 billion purchase of Frontier Concord was worse than bad — it was forgettable Sony is taking Concord offline on September 6th after disastrous launch Snapchat to put ads next to chats with friends You’ll soon be able to Sony is taking Concord offline on September 6th after disastrous launch Sub.club is here to help the fediverse make money Email us at vergecast@theverge.com or call us at 866-VERGE11, we love hearing from you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Verge's Nilay Patel, Alex Cranz, and David Pierce discuss Telegram CEO being charged in a French criminal investigation over content moderation, Yelp suing Google for antitrust violations, a week in AI-generated nonsense, and more. Telegram says CEO has ‘nothing to hide’ after being arrested in France French authorities arrest Telegram’s CEO Why the Telegram CEO’s arrest is such a big deal Telegram CEO charged in French criminal investigation Telegram CEO Pavel Durov faces court questioning in France. French prosecutors explain why they arrested Telegram CEO Pavel Durov How Pavel Durov, Telegram’s Founder, Went From Russia’s Mark Zuckerberg to Wanted Man Can Tech Executives Be Held Responsible for What Happens on Their Platforms? How Telegram played itself Yelp sues Google for antitrust violations TikTok must face a lawsuit for recommending the viral ‘blackout challenge’ California State Assembly passes sweeping AI safety bill Mark Zuckerberg responds to GOP pressure, says Biden pushed to ‘censor’ covid post Google Gemini will let you create AI-generated people again xAI’s new Grok image generator floods X with controversial AI fakes X’s Grok directs to government site after sharing false election info Smart home company Brilliant has found a buyer ESPN ‘Where to Watch’ feature helps find where to stream sporting events Plaud’s NotePin is an AI wearable for summarizing meetings and taking voice notes The maker of the Palma has a new cheaper e-reader The Dyson Airwrap i.d. is a smarter hair curler Snapchat finally launched an iPad app Instagram adds what photos have always needed: words Apple’s iPhone 16 launch event is set for September Email us at vergecast@theverge.com or call us at 866-VERGE11, we love hearing from you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Today on the flagship podcast of the native resonance of your smartphone: 02:32 -The Verge’s David Pierce tries to find out if those YouTube videos promising to remove water from your phone with sounds actually work. 32:42 - Then, David chats with The Verge’s Alex Heath about some AR glasses that are reportedly set to launch from Snap and Meta this fall. 59:16 - Later, David answers a question from the Vergecast Hotline about competition in the AI industry. Email us at vergecast@theverge.com or call us at 866-VERGE11, we love hearing from you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You can learn a lot about somebody just by learning about how they get things done. Are they the sort of person who might have a perfectly color-coded email inbox, a flawlessly organized to-do list, and what’s that, they just sent you a calendar invite for happy hour next week? Or are they more likely to have a giant pile of sticky notes they never look at, a computer desktop with so many files you can’t even see the wallpaper, and today’s main tasks written on their arm? Neither is wrong, but they’re very different. On this episode of The Vergecast, the second in our three-part miniseries about work and productivity and how to get more done in a digital world, we decide to get to know our colleagues in a new way: by asking them to share their own productivity systems. We didn’t give them much specific instruction or homework, other than to come ready to answer a question: how do you get stuff done? Eight Verge staffers showed up, with eight very different ideas about what being productive means and how best to pull it off. Along the way, we found some ideas to steal, a few new apps and tools to try, and a lot of new thoughts about our co-workers. If you want to know more about the things we discuss in this episode, here are a few links to get you started: A Googler’s guide to getting things done TickTick Upnote Notion Google Keep Google Calendar The Rhodia #16 spiral notepad Papier’s productivity planners Email us at vergecast@theverge.com or call us at 866-VERGE11, we love hearing from you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Verge's David Pierce, Alex Cranz, Allison Johnson, and Richard Lawler discuss the Google Pixel 9 review and its controversial reimagine AI feature, a Chick-fil-A streaming service, Sonos app updates, and more. Further reading: Google Pixel 9 Pro and 9 Pro XL review: AI all over the place Google’s AI tool helped us add disasters and corpses to our photos This system can sort real pictures from AI fakes — why aren’t platforms using it? The AI photo editing era is here Donald Trump posts a fake AI-generated Taylor Swift endorsement From Digital Trends:I tried Google's new Pixel Studio app, and it's a mess OpenAI exec says California’s AI safety bill might slow progress https://www.threads.net/@chriswelch/post/C-8wxAGOpyP https://www.threads.net/@chriswelch/post/C-8LGwKOlPj?xmt=AQGzGV_vvL3vxoEhZ_nM263bP8n-Pu9Dxz5Ngmib-0wzgA https://www.threads.net/@chriswelch/post/C-8wxAGOpyP A new $6 billion bid to take over Paramount could undo plans to merge with Skydance. I hope the next CEO of Disney is just Bob Iger with a fun mustache. Paramount Plus plans are 50 percent off ahead of the 2024 NFL season The 2024 Olympics were a big win for TV of all kinds The Acolyte has been canceled Chick-fil-A is reportedly launching a streaming service for some reason Apple Podcasts now has a web app Spotify star Alex Cooper is jumping to a new podcast network JBL made its charging case touchscreen more useful with a size boost Meta and Snap are about to show off their new AR glasses Amazon cancels the Echo Show 8 Photos Edition’s main feature — focusing on photos Email us at vergecast@theverge.com or call us at 866-VERGE11, we love hearing from you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Today on the flagship podcast of hydrogen futures: The Verge’s William Poor, Andrew Marino, and Alex Parkin head to California to figure out why hydrogen fuel cell technology, once a super-promising successor to gasoline, lost out to battery electric cars. They also put the embattled tech to the test with a road trip across California’s “hydrogen highway.” Further reading: Check out the interactive map of our trip here, and the video version of the story here. Read Andrew Hawkins’ story about the future of hydrogen fuel cell tech here. Read Justine Calma’s coverage of federal green hydrogen programs here. Go deep into California zero emission transportation policy here. Credits: Fact Check by Jasmine Arielle Ting Thanks to: Bill Elrick, Hydrogen Fuel Cell Partnership Michael McCurdy, California State Library Archival footage courtesy of Global ImageWorks, LLC Email us at vergecast@theverge.com or call us at 866-VERGE11, we love hearing from you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Laura Mae Martin is a big believer in the settings menu. Martin is Google’s Executive Productivity Advisor, and spends much of her time working with other Googlers on improving their productivity and communication systems — and one of the things she often recommends is taking a few minutes to poke through the options. “With your phone, with your email, your Slack, all these things, the features are there but we don’t take the time to dive into them,” she says. She even thinks you should maybe have to look at settings before you can use the app. “Like, you can’t get into the app unless you spend 10 minutes figuring out what it can do.” On this episode of The Vergecast, the first in our three-part miniseries about all things productivity and work, we talk to Martin about how she sees things changing. Four years after the pandemic forced us all to work from home, are we finally figuring out remote and hybrid work? Are managers realizing that butts-in-seats isn’t, and maybe was never, a good metric for productivity? And is the era of the hard-charging hustle bro finally giving way to a healthier, more holistic way of thinking about being productive? Martin sees all these things from so many perspectives, and has lots of thoughts on everything from communication styles to energy flows. We also talk about the rise in digital productivity tools like Notion and Slack, and why email is still so important — and still so terrible. One of Martin’s jobs at Google is to consult with the teams building Workspace apps like Docs and Gmail, and she has lots of thoughts on how those product works and how they could be better. We also talk about whether AI stands to change the way we get things done, and whether it’ll help us do more or just give us more to do. Along the way, Martin offers us lots of practical tips on how to manage our digital lives a little better. Charging your phone outside the bedroom, no-tech Tuesdays, and a couple of prettier email labels might actually go a long way. And if you have too many notes in too many places, it’s time to get a Main List going. If you want to know more on everything we talk about in this episode, here are a few links to get you started: Laura Mae Martin’s website Her book, Uptime: A Practical Guide to Personal Productivity and Wellbeing’ The Google Workspace guide to productivity and wellbeing The Verge’s favorite tools to stay organized The best note-taking apps for collecting your thoughts and data All I want is one productivity app that can handle everything Email us at vergecast@theverge.com or call us at 866-VERGE11, we love hearing from you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Verge's Nilay Patel, David Pierce, and Alex Cranz discuss AI tools announced at this weeks Pixel 9 event, Nilay's TV competition, tech regulatory news, and more. Further reading: AI overshadowed Pixel at the Pixel event All the AI features coming to Google's Pixel 9 series Google debuts Pixel Studio AI image-making app Google makes your Pixel screenshots searchable with Recall-like AI feature Every time Google dinged Apple during its Pixel 9 launch event Google Gemini’s voice chat mode is here Using Gemini Live was faster than Google, but also more awkward Google Pixel 9 launch event: all the announcements and products Google's Pixel 9 lineup is a Pro show The Pixel 9 Pro XL showed me the future of AI photography Google’s Zoom Enhance camera trick is finally available Inside the competition that named the Sony A95L the best TV of 2024 Patreon adds Apple tax to avoid getting kicked out of the App Store Apple is finally going to open up iPhone tap-to-pay Apple relents and approves Spotify app with EU pricing AltStore PAL drops its annual subscription thanks to a grant from Epic Epic judge says he’ll ‘tear the barriers down’ on Google’s app store monopoly The FTC’s fake review crackdown begins this fall Ex-Google CEO: AI startups can steal IP, hire lawyers to “clean up the mess” Flipboard is going to let you follow fediverse accounts right inside the app Halide’s Process Zero feature captures photos with no AI processing Realme’s 320W fast charging can fully charge a smartphone in four and a half minutes Email us at vergecast@theverge.com or call us at 866-VERGE11, we love hearing from you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices