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A visual arts podcast with interviews of artists, curators, gallerists, and other arts professionals in North Carolina. Please checkout our website for images of our guests' work as well as links to their sites and more:








Episode 11 - Artcast Live from NCMA

This episode is a LIVE recording from the North Carolina Museum of Art. Jeff Bell and Jennifer Dasal (host of the ArtCurious podcast) interview 4 artists participating in the NCMA's Monster Drawing Rally - for more information on the MDR and the artists interviewed, visit The artists interviewed include Candy Carver, Kiki Farish, Damian Stamer, and Saba Taj. The content is fascinating, but since it's a live recording, the sound gets funky in sections. Enjoy!

Duration: 01:05:25

Episode 10 - Harrison Haynes

Hello sweet spirits. In episode 10, Jeff talks with artist, musician, and arts educator, Harrison Haynes! Just because we say this is a good one, doesn't mean we think the others suck. (Spoiler: they don't!) Harrison talks about his days as a touring drummer, studying art at RISD, opening an art gallery, and all phases of his art career. Enjoy!

Duration: 01:10:44

Episode 9 - A Day at the Museum

Whoa! In this episode, we give you a behind-the-scenes tour of how art ends up in museum collections and what's involved in getting it on the gallery walls. Jeff talks with Jennifer Dasal, the NC Museum of Art's associate curator of contemporary art and the creator and host of the Art Curious podcast. But wait, there's more! Jeff also quizzes Brad Johnson, the exhibition designer at the Nasher Museum of Art at Duke University in Durham, NC. Feeling greedy? OK. Beverly McIver makes a return...

Duration: 01:19:54

Episode 8 - Warren Hicks

Hello, sweet spirits! This new episode is action packed! My partner in this podcast endeavor, Warren Hicks, lets me ask him a bunch of questions. He tells us about his current show and he bravely talks about personal aspects of his life. I'm honored that he talked to me and that we're navigating DYLTM together. He has a tremendous show called e1ev1n installed at VAE Raleigh, which runs until April 8th. It’s a conceptual self-portrait told through iPhone screenshots. Make sure you check it...

Duration: 00:57:31

Episode 6 - Beverly McIver

Hello there! We’re back! In episode 6 we’re honored to talk with the incredible Beverly McIver. She is widely recognized for her skill in painting and her uncompromising dedication to exploring the personal. She is currently the Esbenshade Professor of the Practice of Art, Art History and Visual Studies at Duke University. Beverly’s latest exhibition opens at SECCA on January 17 and runs until February 12. She will be included in an exhibition at The American Academy of Arts and Letters...

Duration: 00:53:02

Episode 5 - Brandon Cordrey

If you don't know Brandon Cordrey then I feel sorry for you. He's a skilled painter and multi-media artist as well as a tireless arts administrator. In episode 5 we talk to Brandon about his work and what's going on at VAE Raleigh (where he's the new Executive Director). He recently had two great shows in Raleigh at Flanders Gallery and Block Gallery, both in 2016. We can't wait to see what's next!

Duration: 00:45:48

Episode 3 - Heather Gordon

In episode 3 we talk to Heather Gordon. I'm truly in awe of her work and the way she approaches making art. Hopefully you're already familiar with her work. As you'll hear, she is constantly expanding parameters and thought processes and frequently working in collaborations. All the while, her work remains lyrical and deeply personal.

Duration: 00:54:12