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This the podcast where a few people talk about how the gospel is good news for everybody every day.

This the podcast where a few people talk about how the gospel is good news for everybody every day.
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This the podcast where a few people talk about how the gospel is good news for everybody every day.






Episode 18: The Loneliness of Leadership

Are you a leader? (Is everyone a leader?) Do you ever feel lonely as a leader? Why is that? What can we do about it? We talk about loneliness on the podcast today as well as big changes that are happening at HIMH (no Matt??!), people who like the Trans-Siberian Orchestra (ew), and visit Gory Island as opposed to Goofball Island to brag about how we got our childhood scars. (Thanks for carrying me like a lamb in Jesus's arms, sixth-oldest sibling, Suzie!)

Duration: 00:36:20

Episode 17: The James Progression

Let's talk temptation! Often, temptation is viewed as the line before falling into sin. But is there another way to look at temptation that is not so laden in shame and fear? Things we also discussed were Matt's silent retreat (where Laurie didn't respect his silent boundaries!), what do we hope for the new year, and best dates ever. Helpful Bonus: “Temptation comes from our own desires, which entice us and drag us away. These desires give birth to sinful actions. And when sin is allowed...

Duration: 00:39:25

Episode 16: Concern and Hope for the Church

Matthew Krieg is gone this week but Matthew Tuininga is here as a special guest! He is a professor of moral theology at Calvin Seminary, and is a courageous, authentic, intelligent thinker. We talk extremes we see both politically and in the Church. We share where it concerns us and the good that can come in the midst of it. We also talk about how we want to be more Christ-like at Christmas, and gender stereotypes we follow and don't at all.

Duration: 00:36:41

Bonus Track! Happy Thanksgiving!

Happy Thanksgiving to you all in the U.S! We are so thankful for YOU, our listeners! We wish we could spend time hearing what all of you are thankful for around a giant thanksgiving table. Perhaps that's our longing for heaven talking... For now, enjoy our three-minute gratitude list, and feel free to email us yours at

Duration: 00:02:54

Episode 15: The New Health and Wealth Gospel

Sometimes, Millennials can look at the Christians before them and judge those who have believed a gospel of, "If I pursue God, I will have a lot of money and never get sick." However, Millennials can have their own version of a "health and wealth gospel" in the way we believe, "If I pursue God, I will be happy." But is this true? With SPECIAL GUEST Greg Coles (author of 'Single Gay Christian') we talk about this question as well as our favorite parts of the Caring Well Conference and...

Duration: 00:37:17

Episode 14: Idolatry of Sex

How can we as the Church look more like the Church? It starts with looking at what we have misperceived to be the ultimate connector for too long: sex. We need to confess our idolatry of sex, and lean into relationships in a new way. The crew also discussed worst dates and Christmas favorites. (Hallmark movies? Yay? Nay?)

Duration: 00:35:32

Episode 13: Marriage Matters

How can we cultivate intimacy in marriage when we're in a tough season? But wait! This track is not just for married folk. People who are in relationships of any nature will benefit from practical ways to lean into relationships when they are not easy. Also discussed are things to bring on a desert island (hint: bag o' books) and swallowing the first five sentences you want to say when someone triggers you. [Please note we talk about sticking with marriage no matter what, but know if you...

Duration: 00:39:08

Episode 12: Heart to Heart Prayer with Carolyn

Laurie's "Spiritual Dumbledore" is in the house! Often when Laurie speaks she talks about her mentor/counselor, Carolyn Schroeder. Carolyn was instrumental in Laurie's decision to follow Christ no matter what. Matt, Laurie, Producer Steve, and Carolyn talk Heart to Heart Prayer, how to find your own spiritual Dumbledore (AKA...a good counselor or mentor), and discuss what they wish they hadn't quit from childhood.

Duration: 00:44:00

Episode 11: Forgiveness is the Worst Best, Too

How do we forgive each other in a way that's less gritting our teeth when the offender is around, and more genuinely loving the offender? Matt and Laurie pick up the story when Laurie had a hard time forgiving Matt after he came forward with secret porn use. Also heard this week is a story about when Laurie wasn't served her favorite ice cream treat because it had too many calories. (Oh, California!)

Duration: 00:39:26

Episode 10: Lament Is the Worst Best

Episode 10, y'all! To celebrate the team did a Dad Joke Competition! (Watch it on YouTube to see their expressions here: Laurie, Matt, and Producer Steve also talk fasting fails, the angst about how no one can ever be happy or sad enough with you, "what is lament?" and Laurie's specific lament after Matt came forward with his pornography addiction.

Duration: 00:38:06

Episode 9: Pillar Practices

Pastor Marvin Williams of Trinity Church in East Lansing, MI joins Matt and Laurie on location (or off location?) at Our Daily Bread studios. (Thanks, ODB!) Things discussed are The Daily Examen, favorite and least favorite chores, true self/false self, and when the Holy Spirit convicts you to go back and apologize for something no one knows you did wrong. Thanks for your authenticity and courage as always, Pastor Marvin.

Duration: 00:30:11

Episode 8: Pillar People

Oh, Pastor David Beelen. Wisdom exudes from you. Matt, Laurie, and Producer Steve sat down to chat with Senior Pastor David Beelen of Madison Square Church in Grand Rapids, MI (and the chairman of the board of HIMH), to hear how Pillar People in his life push him onto more Christlikeness. The crew also discussed how much Dave sounds like Harrison Ford, and who they each would choose to play themselves in a movie.

Duration: 00:36:14

Episode 7: Holy Hate?

Welcome back! Laurie, Matt, and Producer Steve discuss whether or not we can hate people with a holy hate. They also chatted about what the crew might want to do if they weren't in the job they were in, Dwight K. Schrute, dungarees, Mutual of Omaha (listen to the whole podcast for a secret track!), and how we can love everyone from Neo-Nazis to each other in the room. Helpful Link: Laurie's Blog, "Why I Can't Hate People Anymore"...

Duration: 00:23:25

Episode 6: TogOtherness

After Laurie, Matt, and Steve recorded this podcast and the next one, the three of them stared at one another saying, "Wow." They have never had so much fun and felt such a Holy Spirit movement while talking on a microphone. The focus of this episode is feeling "other" (ie. when you feel like you don't belong). The group will not simply throw logs on a fire of Church-angsting; they will turn the the conversation back around to how they "other" others. They also talk about clown music...

Duration: 00:28:55

Episode 5: Producer Steve's Story

When Producer Steve agreed to be a part of the HIMH podcast, he thought he would simply push buttons and do a little editing. Oh, no. Not when you're hanging out with Matt and Laurie. You got to talk deep. And they are grateful for it. In this episode, Steve shares his story of finding God as he wrestled through addiction, pain, and the hole in his heart. (Also: The crew talks about personal idiosyncrasies such as including mispronouncing words, never touching metal, and Wicked Witch of...

Duration: 00:34:05

Episode 4: That Hole in my Heart

Welcome back! Today, Matt, Laurie, and Producer Steve talk about embarrassing moments (warning: they include facial bodily fluids), and the model Matt uses almost every day while he works with clients. This is a do-not-miss podcast to understand the Hole in my Heart Model.

Duration: 00:24:14

Episode 3: What's the Story, Laurie?

Today, we hear Laurie's story...thus far. (Aren't we all in process?) Matt, Laurie, and Producer Steve also discuss every day moments when we know we are loved, where we would like to apparate (or use Floo powder), and letting yourself be messy.

Duration: 00:39:33

Episode 1: Getting to Know You

What's the HIMH Podcast all about? Through a series of random questions, Laurie, Matt, and Steve answer that a roundabout way.

Duration: 00:27:39

Episode 2: What's the Facts, Matt?

Welcome back! In this podcast we talk Star Wars books, what does it mean to be "deep," escapism, and hear Matt's story...thus far.

Duration: 00:42:56