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The #complexity podcast. Stories, interviews & casual conversations about the systems that shape our world and our work.

The #complexity podcast. Stories, interviews & casual conversations about the systems that shape our world and our work.
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The #complexity podcast. Stories, interviews & casual conversations about the systems that shape our world and our work.




075 - Embracing Complexity

In this episode, Angie interviews author of Embracing Complexity: Strategic Perspectives for an Age of Turbulence, Jean Boulton, who is also an academic and management consultant, specializing in complexity theory. Boulton talks with us about many different concepts including: how complexity thinking compares to systems thinking, change management, organizational strategy, complexity as a worldview, and even how this field is shining a light on climate change.


075 - Episode Preview with Jean Boulton

In this episode preview, we share a clip from our interview with co-author of Embracing Complexity, Jean Boulton. Boulton shares her view of how systems thinking compares to complexity thinking.


074 - The Systems Worldview of Human History

In this episode, Angie interviews author and integrator, Jeremy Lent. Lent integrates systems biology, complexity science and neuroscience with ancient wisdom traditions to explore how different cultures throughout human history have created meaning. He shares many perspectives from his book, The Patterning Instinct: A Cultural History of Humanities Search for Meaning, including research and analysis of how humanity has gotten to where it is today and where it could be heading.


074 - Episode Preview with Jeremy Lent

In this episode preview, we share a clip from our interview with author and integrator, Jeremy Lent. Lent brings together Western and Eastern worldviews, science, spiritual wisdom, and embodied experience. He shares his perspective on how reductionism— the same mindset that led to the Scientific Revolution— has also led many people to believe a dangerous story...that humanity is separate from nature.


073 - Coherence & the Heart's Intuitive Guidance

In this episode, Haley talks with scientist, psychophysiologist, and the Executive Vice President and Director of Research at HeartMath Institute, Dr. Rollin McCraty. Dr. McCraty shares stories and examples from scientific research about the complex nature of heart coherence, intuition, and consciousness. He also talks about HeartMath’s Global Coherence Research, which encompasses scientific data on the interconnectivity of all living systems through the Earth’s magnetic field. When...


072 - Feeling Complexity with Radical Wholeness

In this episode, Haley interviews author and developer of TEPP (The Embodied Present Process) Philip Shepherd. Philip explains how Western culture has led us to believe the story of separation and isolation and he urges us to learn how to feel and embrace our complex and deeply interconnected reality. He also shares why the embodied present process is critical for personal growth and truly radical wholeness.


072 - Episode Preview with Philip Shepherd

In this episode preview, we share a clip from our interview with embodiment coach and author Philip Shepherd. Philip discusses the importance of balancing objective knowledge with self-knowledge in order to thrive within all living systems.


071 - Throwback to 2017

In this episode, Haley and Angie reflect on all the topics they have discussed with guests in 2017 and share exciting news about future guests in 2018 (including interviews with Melanie Mitchell from the Santa Fe Institute and Jean Boulton co-author of Embracing Complexity). They also share their full length interview conducted earlier this year with Professor Yaneer Bar-Yam, President of the New England Complex Systems Institute. Happy New Year from the HumanCurrent!


070 - Living from the Inside Out

In this episode, Haley interviews journalist, life coach, and host of the Happy Melly podcast, Sam Mednick. Sam talks about the importance of emotional intelligence and shares her philosophy on living a more happy and fulfilled life. She also shares a few stories from South Sudan where she is currently working and writing.


069 - Designing Meaningful Work in Complex Times

In this episode, Haley interviews complexity thinker and founder of NOBL Collective, Bud Caddell. Bud explains how NOBL designs human-driven systems which enable teams to become more empowered, inspired, and engaged. He also describes how his understanding and application of complex system science has influenced his mission to expand access to meaningful work.“I fundamentally believe that meaningful work is a human right.” - Bud Caddell


068 - Managing for Happiness with Complex System Science

In this episode, Angie interviews author, speaker, and entrepreneur, Jurgen Appelo. Jurgen has been named the “Top 100 Leadership Speaker & Top 50 Management Expert” by and he has become a key influencer in the workplace happiness movement. During his interview, Jurgen discusses how practicing complexity thinking has influenced his career and management style. He also shares stories and advice on how to “manage the system not the people” with different tools, games, and practices.


067 - The Path to Economic Growth According to Complexity Science

In this episode, Angie interview's complexity scientist, professor, and founding president of the New England Complex Systems Institute (NECSI), Yaneer Bar-Yam. Professor Bar-Yam shares the details of new research out of NECSI entitled, Preliminary Steps Toward a Universal Economic Dynamics for Monetary and Fiscal Policy. His research, which was conducted with Jean Langlois-Meurinne, Mari Kawakatsu, and Rodolfo Garcia, calls for wealth redistribution, not tax cuts, to improve the US...


066 - Conference on Complex Systems 2017

In this episode, Haley interviews Dr. Carlos Gershenson who is a research professor, Editor-in-Chief of Complexity Digest, and a Co-Chair member of the Conference on Complex Systems. Dr. Gershenson discusses this year's conference and how it is relevant to events happening in the world today. He also shares details about next year's Conference on Complex Systems.


065 - Hardwiring Happiness with Dr. Rick Hanson

How can we leverage self-directed neuroplasticity, so we can grow and change as much as possible? In this episode, Angie interviews best-selling author, psychologist, and human potential expert Dr. Rick Hanson, who explains how understanding evolutionary neuropsychology and using daily meditative practice can help us feel safe, satisfied and connected. He describes the difference between engaging life with a responsive mindset, as opposed to a reactive mindset. Dr. Hanson says we are more...


064 - Our Evolving & Complex Human Brain with Dr. Rick Hanson

In this episode, Angie interviews psychologist and New York Times best-selling author, Dr. Rick Hanson. Dr. Hanson eloquently describes how the human brain has evolved as a complex system and he shares why it is so important “to really appreciate the implications of having a stone age brain in the 21st century”. This is part one of his interview. Stay tuned for part two of Angie’s interview with Dr. Hanson!


064 - Episode Preview with Dr. Rick Hanson

In this episode preview, we share a clip from our interview with psychologist and author, Dr. Rick Hanson. We asked Dr. Hanson how he became interested in complex systems. For more information visit and stay tuned for his full length, two-part interview with the HumanCurrent.


063 - A Philosophical Look at the Mind, with Neurologist Dr. Robert Burton

In this episode, Haley talks with neurologist and author, Dr. Robert Burton about the most complexly organized form of matter in the known universe, the human brain. More specifically, Dr. Burton talks about the mind-brain paradox and explains some key distinctions between conscious and unconscious thought. We also talk about his books, A Skeptic’s Guide to the Mind and On Being Certain: Believing You’re Right Even When You’re Not.


062 - Mysteries of the Extended Mind with Dr. Rupert Sheldrake

In this episode, we share our last interview from the Institute of Noetic Sciences (IONS) conference with Dr. Rupert Sheldrake. Dr. Sheldrake is an English author and researcher in the field of parapsychology. He talks with Haley about discovering, after years of in the field research, that paranormal activity is actually a very normal occurrence because many people claim to experience it throughout their lives. Dr. Sheldrake states in his interview that “our minds are more extensive than...


061 - Finding Purpose Through Connection

In this episode, Angie and Haley share more interviews from the Institute of Noetic Science (IONS) Conference, The Science of What Connects Us. They talk with one of their past guests, Laurie Marshall about how noetic science is changing the world. Laurie also shares news about her recently published book called The Flood of Kindness. Angie and Haley also share their interview with Andrea Dennis, from Greenheart International, and Jon Darrall-Rew, from the Global Purpose Movement, about ...


060 - Exploring the Science of What Connects Us

In this episode of the HumanCurrent, Angie and Haley talk about their experience at IONS (The Institute of Noetic Sciences) 17th International Conference The Science of What Connects Us. They also share their interview with Dr. Cassandra Vieten, the President of IONS, who explains some of the mind-expanding projects happening at IONS at the intersection of technology, innovation, and consciousness.


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