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Episode 27: What’s On The Menu, With Daniella Luxembourg & Amalia Dayan

The gallerists Daniella Luxembourg and Amalia Dayan specialize in cutting-edge Contemporary art and overlooked 20th-century art. They have in common with AAP co-founder Allan Schwartzman a passion for postwar Italian art and, during this podcast, the trio discuss the market for art from this period. They also discuss this current moment as one of real transition in the broader market, during which time tastes and demand are shifting. During the conversation, moderated by host Charlotte...


Episode 26: The Art of Criticism with Jerry Saltz

Jerry Saltz, perhaps the most well-known art writer working today, has been the senior art critic of New York magazine since 2006. During this interview with our host Charlotte Burns, which was recorded in the downtown offices of New York magazine, Saltz talks about a range of topics: from how he approaches viewing and reviewing art, to what he calls the “ass-holeness” of his social media persona. Before becoming a critic, Saltz was an artist and a long-distance truck driver, and he...


Episode 25: Dealing Art with Thaddaeus Ropac

From fetching beer for Joseph Beuys to the implications of Brexit and new borders, the Austrian art dealer Thaddaeus Ropac talks frankly about a range of topics in a conversation with our host Charlotte Burns, including the dangers of becoming too corporate; plans for his own collection; and his expectations for the art market in 2018. Recorded in London, where Galerie Thaddaeus Ropac recently opened a fifth space (there are four others across Salzburg and Paris), Ropac shares his views...


Episode 24: Norman Rosenthal on Seducing the Audience

During his 31 years as the exhibitions secretary at London’s Royal Academy, Sir Norman Rosenthal staged groundbreaking exhibitions of art including the legendary show, “A New Spirit in Painting” (1981), which brought artists such as Joseph Beuys, Gerhard Richter and Georg Baselitz to broader recognition. "Art is entertainment, but entertainment in the best sense of the word," he says in our latest podcast, speaking to host Charlotte Burns. “Museums, in the end, are like cupboards. And...


Episode 23: Infinity and Beyond with Artist Tavares Strachan

Whether hauling ice from the Arctic, partnering with SpaceX or training as a deep-sea diver, the artist Tavares Strachan works on an ambitious scale—often at the cutting edge of technology. He largely operates beyond the gallery model, instead relying on patrons, partnerships and collaborations to create innovative works of art. The Bahamian-born artist, who was recently appointed to the MIT and RISD boards, is interested in overlooked or forgotten histories and “operating in a state of...


Episode 22: Authority and Anxiety with MoMA Director Glenn Lowry

”In the particular political moment in which we live, the question of authority and voice has become increasingly important,” says Glenn Lowry, director of MoMA. ”Who has the right to speak for whom? How do we imagine someone else's voice?” In this wide-ranging conversation, Lowry describes the museum as a crucible during a ”very flammable moment” and talks about the role of culture today. He discusses technology at the museum and the value of thinking slowly. Talking with host Charlotte...


Episode 21: Emerging Art with Whitney Biennial Curator Christopher Y. Lew

“We're in a moment where we are all paying attention to what's going on in the headlines. Many artists are thinking about what kind of world their work is entering into, and how to respond to or deal with the times we live in,” says Christopher Y. Lew, co-curator of the 2017 Whitney Biennial, who talks about his travels across America researching emerging art for the biennial. For a transcript of the show, click here:...


Episode 20: Art and Desire with Walter Robinson

Artist Walter Robinson immortalizes appetites and desires in his work, painting beer, blue jeans and burgers, magazine models and pulpy paperback romances. Known as the founding editor of Artnet magazine, where he worked from 1996 until 2012, Robinson has been a habitual chronicler of the New York art world. He first flirted with success as an artist in the 1980s, making nurse paintings before Richard Prince and spin paintings before Damien Hirst. But, then, he stopped making art. Over the...


Episode 19: Talking Art with Germano Celant and Allan Schwartzman

From "Poor Art" to politics in art, in this wide-ranging conversation between curator and art historian Germano Celant and Allan Schwartzman address topics including the ways in which the American art market has defined art history; how they work with artists to realize wildly ambitious projects; the difficulties in determining whether works are authentic; corruption in art; and rewriting the history of art. For this, and much more, tune in today. For a transcript, click here:...


Episode 18: The Suit and the Sweater

The art industry is changing rapidly and, in this episode, Tad Smith (president and CEO of Sotheby's) and Allan Schwartzman discuss how they respond to the challenges and opportunities that this presents. Bringing different perspectives to the conversation, they discuss how to create change and foster innovation. "In Other Words" is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby's, produced by For a transcript, click here: ...


Episode 17: Gilbert & George

“The strength of two people together is enormous. That's why, all over the world, people and creatures are divided into two.” Artists Gilbert & George have been creating "Art for All" since they met as students in the 1960s. “In the old days, when we were socially involved with artists, they always would tell you they're always nervous of what to do next. We never had that problem. We were always really ready for whatever,” say the inimitable duo during this lively discussion about their...


Episode 16: Contemporary African Art

“Romare Bearden was asked in a 1972 interview with Camille Billops how he would define black art, and he said that black art is the art that black artists do,” says Tate's Zoe Whitley. "If someone were to say: 'What is white art?' you might say the Italian Renaissance, but you could equally say the German Renaissance, Rembrandt or English painting. Black art is as varied as that.” Joining us in London to discuss contemporary African art are Zoe Whitley, the curator and writer Osei Bonsu,...


Episode 15: Lust for Life—Collecting Art with Herbert Lust

A literature professor and Fulbright scholar turned investment banker, 90-year old Herbert Lust has one of the leading collections of works by artists including Alberto Giacometti, Robert Indiana and Hans Bellmer, among others. Lust, who in 1969 wrote one of the first books about art collecting as an investment, talks to our host Charlotte Burns about his extraordinary life, discussing his friendships with artists and passing along some advice for collectors. “Robert Indiana: Works from...


Episode 14: New World Disorder with Tate’s Gregor Muir

"People really want to deal with the present, but it's just extremely difficult to get a grasp of where we are now," says Gregor Muir, Tate's Director of Collection, International Art. Grappling with issues of how to think internationally during a period of increasing nationalism, Muir talks about how (and where) he is looking to discover great art. This broad-ranging conversation covers topics ranging from the technological revolution to Muir's own experiences moving between commercial...


Episode 13: Art Can Change the World, with Hans Ulrich Obrist

For the first of three special feature episodes from London, we are joined by Hans Ulrich Obrist, the artistic director of the Serpentine Galleries. The endlessly energetic Obrist—who has himself interviewed more than 300 people throughout his career, from artists and architects to scientists and philosophers—talks to our host Charlotte Burns about how art can change the world and shape new realities. "In Other Words" is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby's, produced by For...


Episode 12: Reshaping Museums with Michael Govan

Michael Govan, the director and CEO of the Los Angeles County Museum of Art, joins us for a special feature podcast from California. We talk about the future for Lacma—from the transformation of the campus to the possibilities of sharing the collection and opening branches elsewhere. We discuss subjects from fundraising and philanthropy in LA, the role of museums in brokering cultural identities and the importance of "embracing the power of difference" to VR technology in art. "In Other...


Episode 11: Changing Lanes, with Jeffrey Deitch and Lisa Dennison

Which is easier to navigate: the market or museums? Joining us to discuss this—and much more—are Jeffrey Deitch and Lisa Dennison. Jeffrey has worn many hats in the art world—gallerist, advisor, collector, director of LA MoCA and even artist—and will be opening a new gallery in Los Angeles this autumn. Lisa is the former director of the Guggenheim Museum who joined Sotheby’s in 2007, focusing on international business development. "In Other Words" is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby's,...


Episode 10: The Art Media

Joining our host Charlotte Burns for a discussion on the state of the art media are Jori Finkel, a regular contributor to the New York Times and the West Coast correspondent for The Art Newspaper; Judd Tully, the award-winning journalist who is the Editor-At-Large at Blouin Art + Auction magazine; and Amy Cappellazzo, co-founder of Art Agency, Partners and Chairman at Sotheby's Global Fine Arts division. From changing business models to the impact of the internet, they touch on challenges...


Episode 9: The Road Less Travelled with Joel Mesler

We're introducing a new feature for the ninth episode of "In Other Words", a one-on-one interview with a person who has taken an unusual approach to making their way in the art world— someone who has taken the road less travelled. Joining us this week, Joel Mesler tells us why he recently left Manhattan's Lower East Side to open an art gallery in East Hampton, Rental Gallery. Joel, who is an artist as well as a dealer, talks to us about what it takes to survive in the industry. "In Other...


Episode 8: Being Radical with Robert Storr

The artist, critic, curator and former Dean of the Yale School of Art Robert Storr joins Amy Cappellazzo, AAP co-founder and Sotheby's Chairman of Global Fine Arts, and Charlotte Burns, senior editor of In Other Words, for our eighth episode. Together, they discuss what it means to be radical in today's art world, weighing the critical and commercial distinctions between globalism, internationalism and cosmopolitanism. "In Other Words" is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby's, produced by...


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