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Episode 73: The Importance of Travel with Russ Clune

Russ Clune has climbed in more places than you. That is, unless you’re Brittany Griffith (maybe). Climbing since the late 70’s, and having climbed in around 50-some countries, I wanted to know what the legendary Clune had learned from other climbers in other cultures, and how he’s applied that to his own climbing. His climbing partners are a who’s who list of legends: Wolfgang Gullich, Lynn Hill, Patrick Edlinger, Jerry Moffat, Todd Skinner, Ron Kauk, and many others. Russ not only fed off...

Duration: 01:00:39

Episode 72: Does Size Matter? with Marina Inoue

Marina Inoue is a 5′2″ force to be reckoned with. She’s intimidating until you talk to her, and then she’s the sweetest person you’ve ever met. Then she pulls onto the rock and straight up crushes your project. But you can’t be mad at her, because she’d be stoked if the tables were turned. It was her amazing attitude that led me to talk to her for this interview, and it’s the same thing that makes me look forward to the next time I get to climb with her. You can find her online at...

Duration: 00:59:29

Episode 71: Board Meetings | Goal Setting

It’s a new year, and it’s our 2nd birthday! It’s been a wild ride, and I want to say thanks to everyone for being on it with me. In this episode Nate and I talk goal setting. Not resolutions. Goals. Different animals altogether. How to set appropriate goals, some of the pitfalls, what the research says, and we even give up some of our own goals. Speaking of which… Go to to join our mailing list and get our forthcoming newsletter. You can find us at...

Duration: 01:31:44

Episode 70: Routesetting with Jonathan Brandt

Routesetting is hard. You know that if you’ve tried to set your own problems. It’s also hard on the body, so it’s difficult to keep a high level of fitness while setting full time. Jonathan Brandt has continued to improve as a climber while simultaneously running the setting crew at Climb Nashville, which is opening two new gyms next year. In this episode we discuss comment boxes, World Cup setting, simulators, and more. Jonathan will be hiring routesetters! Hit him up at...

Duration: 01:06:50

Episode 69: Raising Them Right with Constance Lightner

Constance Lightner is, in my mind, a perfect representative for climbing parents. At a time when we’re seeing a whole generation of young crushers becoming adults, the role of the parent has become more and more important. Connie didn’t have a connection to climbing before her son, National Champion Kai Lightner, found the sport, but she’s dove in headfirst and become an official mom for many of America’s young superstars. She’s one of the people that I make a point to see when I know...

Duration: 00:54:56

Episode 68: Board Meetings | I Wish I Knew Now What I Knew Then

No, that isn’t a typo. It would be amazing if we kept all our attributes forever, but the reality is that we lose things, we forget things, and we just stop doing some of the things that made us good to begin with. In this episode, Nate and I sit down to discuss the Top 3 things that we used to know and practice, and we wish we still adhered to. Find us online at We don’t tweet. We scream like eagles.

Duration: 01:10:05

Episode 67: The Work Behind The Body with Kelsey K. Sather

In this episode I sit down for an important conversation with wordsmith Kelsey K. Sather. We discuss her series of blog posts titled “The Work Behind the Body”, a series of interviews with female outdoor athletes in Bozeman, Montana. Kelsey delves into the details of Body Image, and that being a topic I don’t know much about, I was both excited and nervous to struggle through the conversation. Thanks to the Bozeman community, and to Spire Climbing for allowing us to record this...

Duration: 01:06:52

Episode 66: Now What? with Dan John

Last summer I started a list titled “Non Climbing (realistic) Dream Guests”. I only got as far as one name: Dan John. I was planning to be in Salt Lake for the OR Trade Show, so I emailed Dan on the off chance that he’d do an in person conversation. To my surprise he emailed back almost immediately, scheduled a call for the next day, and invited me to his house to workout and record the conversation. If you’ve taken even a cursory look into the field of Strength and Conditioning, you’ve...

Duration: 01:22:49

Episode 65: Board Meetings | Five Minute Fingers

It’s been a while since Nate and I sat down and did one of these, so we figured we’d kick it back off with a shorty. The interwebs are going crazy with Andrew Bisharats new miracle hangboard program, Five Minute Fingers, and we’ve gotten several messages asking for our opinion. Here it is. You can find the original article at You can find us at You can support the podcast at

Duration: 00:24:11

Episode 64: Fixed vs. Growth Mindset with Trevor Ragan

Growth Mindset has recently become a hot topic in the world of sports, and for good reason. Mindset, which can be greatly affected by the feedback you give or receive, is key to learning and performance. Trevor Ragan is one of the most well versed in the science of learning and how mindset affects it, and he’s out there working with teams, coaches, teachers, and businesses to actually apply the science. Trevor is the founder of Train Ugly, a group dedicated to sharing the science behind...

Duration: 01:22:09

Episode 63: Belief and Partnership with Tommy Caldwell

Tommy Caldwell needs no introduction to any of you. I thought I knew it all too, until I read his recent memoir, The Push. If you haven’t read it, buy it HERE and read it NOW! I’m not sure exactly what I expected from the book, but I didn’t expect Tommy to have looked so deeply into his own past and motivations in order to discover where his nearly maniacly focused drive comes from. Put simply, it blew me away. Tommy stopped over to sit and chat with me in Lander about two of the topics...

Duration: 01:04:06

Episode 62: The Gnarly Line with Dr. Shannon O’Grady

The final episode with the Gnarly folks is one I had to talk them into. They wanted to educate, and I wanted to educate you all about what they have available. So we did both. In this episode Shannon and I discuss the products that Gnarly Nutrition offers. They’ve got a great line of products that many of you will find useful. Even if you still aren’t a supplement person, you may learn something about why supplements are so popular. After using their products myself, I certainly can...

Duration: 01:01:24

Episode 61: Protein with Dr. Shannon O’Grady of Gnarly Nutrition

Part 2! In this episode Dr. Shannon O’Grady and I discuss the hot button topic of protein. Why do we need it, how much we need, and what’s the best way to get it. Gnarly has both Vegan and Whey protein powders, and you can get 20% off by using the code POWERUP20 at checkout at Find us online at Support the podcast at We don’t tweet. We scream like eagles.

Duration: 00:46:36

Episode 60: BCAAs with Dr. Shannon O’Grady of Gnarly Nutrition

Some more nerdy talk for all of you training nerds out there. This time we go deep into the world of Branch Chain Amino Acids (BCAAs) with Dr. Shannon O’Grady, Ph.D., Director of Product at Gnarly Nutrition. BCAAs are more than just the new fad supplement. We talk about what they are, why we need them, how to use them, and more. This is the first of a 3 part series with Shannon and Gnarly. We’ll also be discussing all things protein and taking a look at their entire line to see what we...

Duration: 00:49:05

Episode 59: Mental Fitness with Alex Honnold and The Warriors Way

Fresh off of his audacious free solo of Freerider, Alex Honnold sat down with Arno Ilgner and Jeff Lodas from The Warriors Way to discuss his mental preparation. Arno asked me to record the conversation, and though I was running around The Salt Palace like crazy, I got it on tape for all of you to hear. Two mental fitness giants, discussing a topic that is, at best, tough to pin down. Alex has done an amazing job of reflecting on what it is that makes him different, and is able to...

Duration: 00:48:27

Episode 58: Comparing Hangboard Protocols with Steve Maisch

One of the guests most requested by our listeners, Steve Maisch is a Salt Lake City climber/coach/economics professor who, much like myself, uses himself as a guinea pig to test new approaches to training. As such, we decided to nerd out on a couple of topics. For this one, we discuss the different hangboard protocols, when and why to use them, what they can do for you, and where they can go wrong. I’m sure we forgot a few, which is ok, because we can always record more… You can find...

Duration: 00:57:51

Episode 57: Flow and Mental Mastery with Hazel Findlay

I’m not often intimidated by people, but Hazel Findlay’s reputation is much larger than her 5′2″ frame, so I was a bit anxious about this conversation. Mental training can be a pretty nebulous topic to begin with, so if I was going to be stumbling over my words, it could end up being a rough conversation. Not long after Hazel showed up at my house, it was clear that while she is indeed a force to be reckoned with, there was no reason to fret. As she would say, my worry was all...

Duration: 01:10:24

Episode 56: Understanding Eating Disorders with Savannah Buik

If you’ve been around climbing long enough, you know someone who has or has had an eating disorder. While it’s not a secret, it’s certainly a topic that is generally shamed and then ignored. As a coach, friend, and partner, I wanted to know more about it, how to recognize it, and what to do when confronted with it. Savannah Buik reached out to me a little over a year ago to tell me that she had started a blog, partly inspired by my willingness to call people out, that focused on her own...

Duration: 00:47:47

Episode 55: Mental Toughness with Emily Tilden

Here in Lander there is a very strong contingent of powerful women. I’m lucky to have become friends with many of them, and I’m extremely fortunate to be able to count Emily Tilden among those friends. She is a no bullshit straight shooter, which I value and appreciate, and like many great athletes, she has a mental tenacity that is sometimes difficult to comprehend. I’ve watched her handily win the pullup comp at the Climbers Festival several times, and I’ve watched her cruise to an easy...

Duration: 00:51:00

Episode 53: Pride or Spray? with Kerry Scott

In today’s episode I sit down with Kerry Scott, an unassuming, but very badass young lady from North Carolina. Besides coaching a youth team at Triangle Rock Club, Kerry is a crusher. And she’s not ashamed to “spray” a little. And you all know that I’m definitely not afraid to spray, and I appreciate it when others buck the norm. I’ve spent time in North Carolina, and I know that the south and east in particular can sometimes be a place where you’re encouraged not to “spray”, and I think...

Duration: 00:37:04

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