We talk with Malakaï Sargeant and Bayan Goudarzpour about Malakaï's poem 'A Collection Of Grey Thoughts'. We talk how much of yourself you owe to the poem, how to work out what it is you're not saying, how to stop individual things from feeling disparate. We use Stephanie Rogers' boss poem Fat Girl Ghazal as a reference - you can read it in Copper Nickel and check out her other stuff on her website.
Victoria Adukwei Bulley, Zahrah Sheikh and Anna Kahn talk with Joshua Judson about his poem English Poem. We talk about balancing opinion and image, whether or not it's easier to make a sonnet out of something that already exists, what counts as England, which Englands we see and how they are shaped in poetry, adding lightness to a poem, and leaning in to the things we're really trying to say.