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The Full Armour of Brian

The surprise sale of the Houston family belongings on Instagram made for an even happier new year for people wanting to know where their tithes ended up. Brian and Bobbie are selling up and moving out and moving on up or somewhere who knows? Join Matthew Drapper and me, Tanya Levin for an irreverent and bemusing look at the items that the #Hillsong people have posted willingly online, from slippers to cushions to that jacket! So come chat and laugh! we're all weeping on the inside. it's...


Everyone Makes Mistakes

London's #Hillsong seemed exciting to Catherine and an opportunity to further her walk with God through a church where she might use her talents. There was only one problem - the rest of her life, including her work, got in the way. Catherine attended Hillsong for years, despite her limited capacity to 'serve' but eventually, she left, and only relatively recently to this recording. Find out why and how this Christian still has her faith even after #leavinghillsong! Come chat!


The Court Case Week 1 Part 3 - Trials + Tribulations

Hi there! Welcome back to Leaving Hillsong and The Court Case of Brian Charles Houston on one count of concealing a serious indictable offence, namely his father's child sexual abuse of a nearly 8 year old boy in 1970. Jake Elliot from @the_framew0rk (insta and FB) and me, Tanya Levin, combed through our notes fresh out of court. And this is what we got. It's such a fascinating case that it truly is worth keeping up and taking notes and week 2 is a bombshell and more. So grab your snacks...


The Court Case Part 2 Week One Trials + Tribulations

Jake Elliot from @the_framew0rk and Tanya from LH carry on with whatever sense can be made of the story so far in Week 1. The DPP is laying out an extensive and intricate case and neither of us know shorthand so we're doing our best with our notes. It's proving to be the highest theatre in the Downing Centre in Sydney for the trial of Brian Charles Houston, the former Global Senior Pastor of Hillsong for the singular count of concealing a serious indictable offence that being the assault of...


the Hillsong Starter Pack. Part 3 Trials + Tribulations II

Grace speaks openly about looking back on her years at Hillsong as a young woman who had invested so much and now is recovering from the losses and reflecting on the gains. She offers practical tips on coping with immediate triggers, running into old church associates in public and how to respond in the kindest way possible to YOURSELF. Grace is awesome and so is this final part of this super cool chat. It's such a helpful episode. Come chat! Producer: Kimberly Robinson


The Court Case Week 1 Part 1 - Trials + Tribulations III

Jake Elliot from @the_framew0rk and Tanya Levin of @leaving.hillsong attended the trial of Brian Houston on a single count of Conceal a Serious Indictable Offence under Section 316 of the Crimes Act for the first 5 days at the Downing Centre in Sydney's CBD. We recorded notes as best we could, Jake on his iPad and me by hand. This is Part 1 of our note comparison of the events that unfolded over those 5 days. This episode covers day 1 and some of day 2 . More of the opening statements...


Trials + Tribulations II The Hillsong Starter Pack Part 2

Grace and Tanya shooting more breeze with: - that prayer for B and B by Rob Ferguson - facing the impact of the Hillsong volcano - trauma at HS and the response.. Come chat! Producer: Kimberly Robinson


Trials and Tribulations II -the Hillsong Starter Pack (feat Grace)

Grace and Tanya talk court. Part 1 - BCH stuff -Updates from last week's court chat from our legal assistant, Nic - Queen Natalie's response to Hillsong's attempt at a defence - and the prayers of the desperate Come chat! Producer : Kimberly Robinson


Trials and Tribulations - R.v Brian Charles Houston

Why is Hillsong's Brian Houston going to court? What is this case about? Why do Australian lawyers wear wigs and who the heck is 'R'? What's a Royal Commission? Councillor Nathan Zamprogno joins me, Tanya Levin, to discuss the court case that will start in Sydney's local court on December 2, 2022, We are not here to speculate or opine, merely to outline the processes that have taken place leading to this court appearance. So join us, in the pursuit of the understanding of how criminal...


Forgiveness Is An Inside Job - Case Notes ep 3

How do you deal with the trauma a narcissist inflicts? How do you recover from abuse that you were taught was love? How do you stop blaming yourself for what you loved and believed in to be true? Whether you were in Hillsong, a regular cult, a domestic violence relationship, or the subject of any trauma, especially where your boundaries were violated and your good faith exploited, THIS POD is for YOU. Tiffany Wylder has a background in psychology and trauma recovery and she talks with us...


Into the Fire

10th grade Kat went to a play at a church that changed her life. Fearing the fires of hell that were threatened that night, she focussed on avoiding its clutches at the AoG church in Mildura, Victoria just on the banks of the river. Kat sacrificed everything she could and threw the rest into the fire, but it wasn't enough for God or for the church, and eventually, for Kat. Join us as we go to a small country town where once everything had been burned, Kat had to start again. Come join...


An Affable Dag - Case Notes Episode 2

Narcissism. Narcissistic Personality Disorder. What is it? How can you spot it... and what can you do about it? In this fascinating discussion with James, our resident Mental Health Clinician with 30+ years experience in the field working in psychiatric fields and facilities, we discuss what the medical model is regarding NPD and narcissistic behaviour. This is episode 2 of #casenotes which is #leavinghillsong 's #mentalhealth department. There are #somany discussions to be had, so this...


There’s No Honeymoon in Hillsongland Part 2

Grace and I pick up where Part 1 left off and move into the realm of salacious discussion and juicy commentary on the likes of Brian H. Carl Lentz and what we think on all that. Grace is on fire so don't miss her ideas and thoughts as she brings back the freshest opinions from the inside out... Come chat with us about married and unmarried life... in leadership and the front rows... in Part 2 of this special chat. Let's talk! Producer : Kimberly Robinson :)


There’s No Honeymoon at Hillsong Part 1

Grace is back ! Our semi reg cohost joins me for a late night chat about deconstruction, adjusting to life in the outside world... marriage.. family.. and what the hell has she been told? Only out of Hillsong culture for 2 years, Grace shares her insights fresh from the hothouse and out in the sun! We had a lot of fun with this and hope you will too. Come chat!\ Producer: Kimberly Robinson


Lindsay Duncan - A Bit Tricky to Deal With

Lindsay Duncan is a faithful listener of the Leaving Hillsong pod and he has recently published his second book, Becoming Ben - From God to Gay. He sat down with me to talk about writing this time, how he creates his fiction, and why oh why he put himself through it! Lindsay is a psychologist with over 30 years' experience and he also shares his lived experience in the pentecostal movement including coming face to face with Frank Houston in the late 60's at a youth camp. This is a warm...


A Bit of a Tyrant Part 2

Dave started up as a youth pastor, but as he tell us, "everything great they said would happen DID happen... after I left.." But it wasn't an easy path and Dave had to find his way out of a psychiatric maze of medication and diagnoses... and on the path to his own happiness along with his wife. In Part 2 we discuss Dave's regrets about the role he played in driving the Vision of Hillsong and the orders he followed and gave... It's such an urgent and important conversation as so many...


A Bit of a Tyrant

How much of the damage done at Hillsong is the fault of the every day person? Of the leaders? Of the people up top? We start opening the dynamics of this power and how abusive systems perpetuate by talking with Dave who spent 13 years following his 9th grade conversion experience dedicated to making the world a better place for God with his youth group. Looking back though, he worries about the influence he had as he rose up in the leadership ranks and we talk about how that happened and...


Tom Tilley -The Life I Didn’t Even Know I Would Get to Have (but Felt So Right)

Tom Tilley has been known for over 15 years around Australian music circles and media, working as a journalist on Triple J's Hack program, the Australian ABC and on commercial networks. And while his friends and colleagues knew he'd grown up in a religious home and church, they didn't really understand. So Tom released a book this year called Speaking in Tongues, and he joins me and Fiona who was also a CRC kid (see A Pentecostal Agenda) to talk about writing that book and what this coming...


A One Star Review Part 2

How do you solve a problem like Mesiti? Who are these men who make the decisions over our worlds as religious devotees? What do you do when a roving evangelist has a prophecy over your life? You do what Luc did and fulfil your family's dreams, and, God's.. or so he thought. Join Luc and me while we discuss the different influences of Hillsong and the CLC movement and the huge effects it had on his life, then and now.... Luc has had a long and winding road and he's not apologetic for the...


A One-Star Review

What would you do if you were given an ultimatum to choose between your family and your faith? Luc gives Pentecostalism a one-star review and he's got a bunch of reasons why. That scenario is just one of them... Luc joins us to discuss growing up AoG and CLC and Hillsong.. and what he saw, felt, and heard along the way... There are so many stories in this one that it's a 2 parter and a few content warnings that may be distressing... or just your childhood if you grew up fundie...