Super Data Science: ML & AI Podcast with Jon Krohn

CTO of Propel Software Kishore Subramanian talks to Jon Krohn about how product lifecycle management (PLM) software and quality management systems help ensure compliance, record management, and quality assurance. Listen to the episode to hear Kishore Subramanian talk about best practices for getting started with Agentforce 360, his top tips for deploying AI projects, and why yoga and meditation could make you better at building AI products! Additional materials: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.superdatascience.com/984⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Interested in sponsoring a SuperDataScience Podcast episode? Email natalie@superdatascience.com for sponsorship information.⁠⁠⁠ In this episode you will learn: (05:21) How Propel Software meets its customers’ demands (07:57) About Propel One AI (13:31) A case study for Salesforce’s Agentforce 360 Platform (17:08) How to build an enterprise-ready agent with Agentforce 360 (19:21) How to get your AI tool into production

Oracle’s Director of AI Developer Experience Richmond Alake returns to the show to talk to Jon Krohn about agent memory; the network of systems, models, databases and LLMs that enable AI agents to learn and adapt over time. Listen to the episode to hear about Richmond’s “100 Days of Agent Memory” initiative, retrieval-augmented generation’s (RAG) limitations with AI agents, the layers of the AI agent stack, and what makes the Oracle AI database so useful to developers. Additional materials: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.superdatascience.com/985⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Interested in sponsoring a SuperDataScience Podcast episode? Email natalie@superdatascience.com for sponsorship information. In this episode you will learn: (03:15) What agent memory is and why it’s important (28:28) RAG’s limitations for AI agents (35:19) What matters in the AI agent stack beyond memory (41:34) Why memory was undervalued in the AI agent stack

Raju Malhotra, Chief Product and Technology Officer at Certinia, talks to Jon Krohn about the so-called SaaSpocalypse and how agentic AI is proving the doomsayers wrong. Listen to the episode to hear more about Certinia’s work with Salesforce and building with Agentforce 360, the three elements required for enterprise-grade agents, how AI agents have benefitted Certinia’s customers, and how to keep your work portfolio fresh and interesting to recruiters. Additional materials: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.superdatascience.com/984⁠⁠⁠⁠ Interested in sponsoring a SuperDataScience Podcast episode? Email natalie@superdatascience.com for sponsorship information.⁠⁠⁠ In this episode you will learn: (01:24) What Certinia does for professional services companies (08:45) Why the "SaaSpocalypse" is wrong (13:19) Agentforce 360 and how Certinia builds on it (15:06) The three elements required for enterprise-grade agents (18:02) How AI agents have impacted Certinia's customers

My guest today took a public school that was about to be shut down and turned it into the number one school in Boston, and AI is her latest secret weapon. In a long-overdue episode on AI for supporting children’s education, hear directly from Principal Traci Walker Griffith how her teachers have been experimenting with AI in classrooms, what works, what doesn’t work, and what’s next for kids as LLMs continue to improve. Additional materials: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.superdatascience.com/983⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Interested in sponsoring a SuperDataScience Podcast episode? Email natalie@superdatascience.com for sponsorship information. In this episode you will learn: (03:38) The Eliot School’s transformation from closure list to number one in Boston (08:54) How the school began using Claude for AI-assisted writing feedback (18:14) How younger students benefit from AI behind the scenes (23:46) How older students interact with AI directly (41:11) Three prompt engineering failure modes and how to fix them (55:29) Responding to the Brookings report on AI risks in education

Jon Krohn rounds up March’s interviews in this ICYMI episode. Hear from AI and data science experts across the fields of education and business in this wide-ranging series of clips that take listeners from the Renaissance to the near future. Guests include Lin Quiao (Episode 971), Chris Fregly (Episode 973), Zack Kass (Episode 975), Kyunghyun Cho (Episode 977), and Rohit Choudhary (Episode 979). Additional materials: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.superdatascience.com/982⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Interested in sponsoring a SuperDataScience Podcast episode? Email natalie@superdatascience.com for sponsorship information.

Matt Glickman talks to Jon Krohn about co-founding the agentic-platform startup, Genesis Computing, how his experience at Goldman Sachs paved the way for developing AI agents, and where he thinks agentic AI has just as much value as a company’s human employees. This February, Genesis Computing revealed how its platform can offer the guardrails so crucial to businesses, alongside increased capabilities that help execute entire workflows from research to deployment. Additional materials: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.superdatascience.com/981⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Interested in sponsoring a SuperDataScience Podcast episode? Email natalie@superdatascience.com for sponsorship information. In this episode you will learn: (12:56) Cloud adoption in finance and healthcare (18:28) How Genesis Computing uses AI agents (31:05) AI agents replacing humans in the workplace (56:25) An argument for encouraging enterprises to use AI

A team of theoretical physicists from Harvard, Cambridge, the Institute for Advanced Study, and Vanderbilt used OpenAI’s models not just as a tool, but as a collaborator, cracking a problem in particle physics that had stymied them for months. In this Five-Minute Friday, Jon Krohn walks through how GPT-5.2 Pro simplified a 32-variable mathematical expression into a single line, proposed what it called the “obvious generalization” for any number of gluons, and how a more powerful internal model then produced a formal proof after 12 hours of autonomous reasoning. Find out why this may be a template for AI-assisted scientific discovery and what it means for the future of research. Additional materials:⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.superdatascience.com/980⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Interested in sponsoring a SuperDataScience Podcast episode? Email natalie@superdatascience.com for sponsorship information.

For years, Jon has been quoting the stat that the world's data is roughly doubling every year. His guest today says that’s way too conservative, he’s seeing enterprise data soon growing at close to 10x per year. And most organizations are nowhere near ready for what that means. In this episode, Rohit Choudhary, founder and CEO of Acceldata, explains how the agentic data management platform his team has built helps enterprises make their increasingly vast amounts of data self-aware, self-optimizing, and AI-ready. He breaks down why governance needs to be operational and real-time rather than a one-time compliance exercise, and shares his view on why the most valuable professionals in the age of AI won’t be the best programmers, they’ll be the ones with the clearest thinking and the deepest domain expertise. Additional materials: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.superdatascience.com/979⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Interested in sponsoring a SuperDataScience Podcast episode? Email natalie@superdatascience.com for sponsorship information. In this episode you will learn: (03:26) How Rohit coined the term “data observability” (06:04) Agentic data management use cases (12:46) Why fixing data at the point of consumption is 1000x more expensive (30:49) Career paths and skills for the age of AI (42:38) Why enterprise data will soon grow at nearly 10x per year

A game millions of people solve over morning coffee is exposing a fundamental weakness in today’s most powerful AI models. In this Five-Minute Friday, Jon Krohn breaks down Pathway’s new Sudoku Extreme benchmark, roughly 250,000 of the hardest Sudoku puzzles available and why leading LLMs like o3-mini, DeepSeek-R1, and Claude 3.7 Sonnet scored effectively zero percent, while Pathway’s post-transformer BDH architecture achieved 97.4% accuracy at a fraction of the cost. Listen to the episode to find out what BDH is doing differently, why Sudoku performance matters far beyond puzzles, and what this means for the future of AI reasoning. Additional materials: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.superdatascience.com/978⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Interested in sponsoring a SuperDataScience Podcast episode? Email natalie@superdatascience.com for sponsorship information.

What’s going to be the next big step function that blasts us forward in AI capabilities? To find out, Jon Krohn sits down with Professor Kyunghyun Cho, whose 200,000 citations and co-authorship of the first paper on attention place him among the most influential AI researchers in the world. In this episode, Kyunghyun explains why today’s models have already captured most correlations in passive data, making the real challenge about actively choosing which data to collect. He also weighs in on the open debate around world models, whether AI needs high-fidelity, step-by-step imagination or whether a high-level latent representation that lets it skip ahead is sufficient and shares the surprising discovery that 80% of his 200 computer science students had never installed a coding agent. Additional materials: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.superdatascience.com/977⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Interested in sponsoring a SuperDataScience Podcast episode? Email natalie@superdatascience.com for sponsorship information. In this episode you will learn: (06:43) The story behind the attention mechanism (28:43) Sample efficiency and active data collection (39:04) World models and latent planning (49:52) Teaching undergrads with coding agents (58:21) Reranking, multi-stage ranking, and the foundations of RAG

NVIDIA just dropped Nemotron 3 Super, a 120-billion-parameter open-weight model that only activates 12 billion parameters at a time and it’s built for the agentic AI era. In this Five-Minute Friday, Jon Krohn breaks down the model’s hybrid Mamba-Transformer architecture, its million-token context window, and why its combination of frontier-class reasoning with blazing-fast throughput matters for anyone building multi-agent systems. Find out how Nemotron 3 Super claimed the #1 spot on the DeepResearch Bench leaderboards, which companies are already adopting it, and where you can start using it today. Additional materials: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.superdatascience.com/976⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Interested in sponsoring a SuperDataScience Podcast episode? Email natalie@superdatascience.com for sponsorship information.

Zack Kass speaks to Jon Krohn about his bestselling, tech-positive book, The Next Renaissance, that charts the rapid progress of humanity and the benefits that artificial intelligence will bring to us, as well as why a future where intelligence is a cheap and abundant resource will give humanity an edge. Elsewhere in the show, Zack discusses why it’s important to hold parents, teachers and students accountable for their education, why it is incumbent on us to build a healthier relationship with technology, and his 4 principles for thriving in the age of AI. This episode is brought to you by the⁠ ⁠⁠Cisco⁠, by ⁠Acceldata⁠ and by ⁠⁠ODSC, the Open Data Science Conference⁠⁠. Additional materials: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.superdatascience.com/975⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Interested in sponsoring a SuperDataScience Podcast episode? Email natalie@superdatascience.com for sponsorship information. In this episode you will learn: (03:14) About Zack Kass’ book, The Next Renaissance (20:18) The importance of literacy skills in the age of AI (28:01) AI in education (41:01) Principles for living in the era of AI

In this week’s Five-Minute Friday, Jon Krohn holds the AI bubble up to the light. He points to the deep greyzone found in AI startups like Cluely that are established on dubious ideas (Cluely’s tagline was “cheat on everything”) and funding bluster, as well as the staggering spending by companies on infrastructure and researcher salaries. Listen to the episode to hear about the historical precedents to the AI bubble that go all the way back to the invention of the railway, what to make of current investments in AI, and what you can do about these changes as an AI practitioner. Additional materials: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.superdatascience.com/974⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Interested in sponsoring a SuperDataScience Podcast episode? Email natalie@superdatascience.com for sponsorship information.

No one should be manually writing code in 2026, thinks Chris Fregly, Jon Krohn’s guest on this week’s episode. In this interview about Chris’ latest book, AI Systems Performance Engineering, he explains why it’s so important to consider memory bandwidth when evaluating GPU performance, that understanding the full hardware software stack is the most valuable skill for anyone working in AI development, and which shortcuts we still shouldn’t ever take when writing code, even though we might be outsourcing a great deal to generative AI. This episode is brought to you by the ⁠⁠Cisco, by Acceldata and by ⁠ODSC, the Open Data Science Conference⁠. Additional materials: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.superdatascience.com/973⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Interested in sponsoring a SuperDataScience Podcast episode? Email natalie@superdatascience.com for sponsorship information. In this episode you will learn: (03:39) Why Chris wrote AI Systems Performance Engineering (21:39) Essential coding metrics (37:24) The importance of inference when coding (42:11) How to manage workflows while using AI agents (51:37) Where and how to invest in the AI market

Jon Krohn recaps the month of February in this episode of In Case You Missed It. Across four interviews with Will Falcon (Episode 965), Tom Griffiths (Episode 969), Antje Barth (Episode 963), and Praveen Murugesan (Episode 967), Jon questions the brains behind some of the AI industry’s most innovative companies about launching a startup, developing a popular product, what artificial intelligence can still learn from human intelligence, and how AI might finally start to think on its own. Additional materials: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.superdatascience.com/972⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Interested in sponsoring a SuperDataScience Podcast episode? Email natalie@superdatascience.com for sponsorship information.

Lin Qiao, CEO of Fireworks AI, talks to Jon Krohn about how she builds effective models quickly, why coding agents can perform at the level of a junior engineer, and what she attributes to the success of Fireworks AI: True to its name, the company exploded into the AI industry with over $300 million secured in venture capital, as well as netting a further $250 million Series C funding. For Lin, many enterprises miss out by not being familiar with open models. Open models give a lot of control to the user, offering customizability and at a much lower price point. Listen to hear how Fireworks AI helps companies continue to save money through AI. This episode is brought to you by the⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Dell⁠⁠⁠, by⁠ ⁠⁠Intel⁠⁠⁠, by ⁠Cisco⁠ and by ⁠Acceldata⁠. Additional materials: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.superdatascience.com/971⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Interested in sponsoring a SuperDataScience Podcast episode? Email natalie@superdatascience.com for sponsorship information. In this episode you will learn: (01:19) All about Fireworks AI (24:16) Why companies need to take notice of open models (33:05) The commercial viability of slow-reasoning models (38:51) Fireworks AI’s approach to model performance evaluations

Working with code-gen models and Claude Code: In this Five-Minute Friday, Jon Krohn addresses how AI superstars like Andrej Karpathy are using AI agents in their coding work, the outlook for code-gen in 2026, and how you can get started. Hear about Karpathy’s work as well as the soaring success of Peter Steinberger and how he managed to surpass the GitHub commit rate of teams as an individual working with AI agents. Additional materials: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.superdatascience.com/970⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Interested in sponsoring a SuperDataScience Podcast episode? Email natalie@superdatascience.com for sponsorship information.

Princeton Professor Tom Griffiths talks to Jon Krohn about his new book, The Laws of Thought, which grapples with the mathematical models behind biological and artificial intelligence, and what makes the human brain so fascinating for psychologists and computer scientists to study. In this episode, he details how the mathematical principles governing the external world can also be used to explore cognitive science, or “the internal world.” This episode is brought to you by the ⁠⁠Dell⁠⁠, by ⁠⁠Intel⁠⁠, by Cisco and by Acceldata. Additional materials: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.superdatascience.com/969⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Interested in sponsoring a SuperDataScience Podcast episode? Email natalie@superdatascience.com for sponsorship information. In this episode you will learn: (01:18) Tom Griffiths’ current research (21:23) On mathematical inference in LLMs (35:19) How to engineer inductive bias (52:00) How to model curiosity into AI systems

Now that AI agents can develop new apps from product development to delivery, do AI developers have reason to worry about their careers? Podcast host Jon Krohn addresses the stark predictions that AI could “eliminate half of all entry-level white-collar jobs” by going back to the data. Find out why the numbers show a very different picture, which in-demand occupations have increased by 40% since late 2022, and Jon’s advice on why technical professionals shouldn’t panic in this latest Five-Minute Friday. Additional materials: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.superdatascience.com/968⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Interested in sponsoring a SuperDataScience Podcast episode? Email natalie@superdatascience.com for sponsorship information.

VP of Engineering at Samsara Praveen Murugesan talks to Jon Krohn about processing 20 trillion data points covering 90 billion miles across private and public sectors, how the company helps truckers who operate long hours and travel for long stretches without cellphone signal, and who they’re looking to hire to help this agile startup keep on developing high-impact solutions for real-world problems. And, if you’re looking to work for the company, there’s no better time to apply, and you’ll want to listen to the end of the show to hear exactly what Praveen looks for in new hires. This episode is brought to you by the ⁠⁠Dell⁠⁠, by ⁠⁠Intel⁠⁠, by Acceldata and by the ODSC, the Open Data Science Conference⁠. Additional materials: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.superdatascience.com/967⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Interested in sponsoring a SuperDataScience Podcast episode? Email natalie@superdatascience.com for sponsorship information. In this episode you will learn: (01:01) The challenges of working with logistics data (16:43) Operating Edge AI in logistics and construction sectors (28:43) How quantum computing might redefine logistics (40:09) The real cost of swapping human heuristics for algorithmic planning (44:45) How to get a job at Samsara