
Books That Burn
Arts & Culture Podcasts
A book review podcast where we discuss how authors treat and traumatize their characters. Part of the Certain Point of View network.
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Arts & Culture Podcasts
Description:
A book review podcast where we discuss how authors treat and traumatize their characters. Part of the Certain Point of View network.
Twitter:
@booksthatburn
Language:
English
Email:
booksthatburn@yahoo.com
Episodes
Two Essays on The Count of Monte Cristo
3/10/2025
I love The Count of Monte Cristo by Alexandre Dumas. I have read the unabridged version more than once, and my most recent reread was in 2023. At that time, I wrote a couple of brief essays which I posted on Tumblr, one of which was about a canonically queer character and the other discussed a character who is often left out of the various adaptations. I present for you these essays with expansion and alteration, because I keep returning to them as pieces of writing and because I don't want them to be limited to those original posts.
I'd like to thank longtime Patron Case Aiken, who receives a monthly shoutout, as well as new patrons DivineJasper and Sasha Khan.
(Quotes are from Robin Buss’ English translation of Alexandre Dumas’ work.)
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Full Essay Text
Canonical Queerness in The Count of Monte Cristo by Alexandre Dumas
Edmond No Longer -- The Importance of Haydée in The Count of Monte Cristo
Duration:00:09:41
October Daye / Inheritance - Essay Series Part Five: Long Series and How to Read Them
1/13/2025
Hello Patrons and general audience members! Welcome to another Books That Burn essay by Robin. Thank you to Case Aiken, who receives a monthly Patron shoutout.
[Full Transcript Available Here]
This is the fifth and final entry in a five-part essay series discussing two long-running book series by queer authors: October Daye by Seanan McGuire, and Inheritance by A.K. Faulkner. I chose these series because I love them both, they were intended from the start to be long series, neither of them are finished yet, and the authors have different structural approaches to developing each series across so many volumes. Purely coincidentally, they are both long-running contemporary fantasy series mainly set in California in or near the 2010's, with major characters named Quentin, and whose fast-healing protagonists have a tendency to quasi-adopt a gaggle of magical teenagers. After a brief moment in the 1990's, October Daye begins in earnest in 2009 and has reached 2015 as of the eighteenth book, while Inheritance is ambiguously set in the mid-to-late 2010's. Each of my essays focuses on a particular topic of importance to long series such as these two. They're designed to be intelligible on their own, and can theoretically be read in any order, but most readers will have the best experience if they start with the first essay and proceed linearly.
Long Series and How to Read Them - Somewhere Is Better Than Nowhere
Duration:00:15:11
Two Essays on Generative AI
12/16/2024
Hello Patrons and general audience members! Welcome to a two-part reading of some Books That Burn essays by Robin. Thank you to Case Aiken, who receives a monthly Patron shoutout. These two essays are both about my thoughts on generative AI, but neither was long enough to be an episode on its own.
As a reviewer of books, I'm very concerned with the news and societal reception of the resource-guzzling plagiarism machine, especially when Indie authors are among those most immediately harmed by having their work stolen and struggling to stand out in a sea of AI-generated slush flooding the ebook market. While I understand that there are useful versions of AI which aren't used to push out garbage no one actually wants to read, the existence of that particular firehose does need to be addressed.
With that out of the way, please enjoy my reading of two essays about generative AI.
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The Problem Is Not That You Want What Generative AI Promised, The Problem Is That They Lied About Whether It Could Deliver (01:14) [Link to Full Text]
A Reflection on Path-Dependent Processes (07:26) [Link to Full Text]
Duration:00:13:53
October Daye / Inheritance - Essay Series Part Four: When a Villain Lives
11/4/2024
Hello Patrons and general audience members! Welcome to another Books That Burn essay by Robin. Thank you to Case Aiken, who receives a monthly Patron shoutout.
[Full Text Available Here]
This is the fourth in a five-part essay series discussing two long-running book series by queer authors: October Daye by Seanan McGuire, and Inheritance by A.K. Faulkner. I chose these series because I love them both, they were intended from the start to be long series, neither of them are finished yet, and the authors have different structural approaches to developing each series across so many volumes. Purely coincidentally, they are both long-running contemporary fantasy series mainly set in California in or near the 2010's, with major characters named Quentin, and whose fast-healing protagonists have a tendency to quasi-adopt a gaggle of magical teenagers. After a brief moment in the 1990's, October Daye begins in earnest in 2009 and has reached 2015 as of the eighteenth book, while Inheritance is ambiguously set in the mid-to-late 2010's. Each of my essays focuses on a particular topic of importance to long series such as these two. They're designed to be intelligible on their own, and can theoretically be read in any order, but most readers will have the best experience if they start with the first essay and proceed linearly.
When a Villain Lives - Recurring Antagonists and Redemption Arcs This essay spoils major elements of the first ten books of the Inheritance series by A.K. Faulkner, and of the first sixteen books in the October Daye series by Seanan McGuire. It discusses themes of murder and death, as well as fictional depictions of kidnapping, rape, torture, and abuse/murder of children.
Duration:00:27:06
October Daye / Inheritance - Essay Series Part Three: Unreliable Narrators
10/7/2024
Hello Patrons and general audience members! Welcome to another Books That Burn essay by Robin. Thank you to Case Aiken, who receives a monthly Patron shoutout.
[Full Text Available Here]
This is the third in a five-part essay series discussing two long-running book series by queer authors: October Daye by Seanan McGuire, and Inheritance by A.K. Faulkner. I chose these series because I love them both, they were intended from the start to be long series, neither of them are finished yet, and the authors have different structural approaches to developing each series across so many volumes. Purely coincidentally, they are both long-running contemporary fantasy series mainly set in California in or near the 2010's, with major characters named Quentin, and whose fast-healing protagonists have a tendency to quasi-adopt a gaggle of magical teenagers. After a brief moment in the 1990's, October Daye begins in earnest in 2009 and has reached 2015 as of the eighteenth book, while Inheritance is ambiguously set in the mid-to-late 2010's. Each of my essays focuses on a particular topic of importance to long series such as these two. They're designed to be intelligible on their own, and can theoretically be read in any order, but most readers will have the best experience if they start with the first essay and proceed linearly.
Unreliable Narrators - Lies and Delusions This essay spoils major elements of the first six books of the Inheritance series by A.K. Faulkner, as well as scattered revelations and major spoilers from the first twelve books in the October Daye series by Seanan McGuire. This is a discussion of lies, delusions, and the mistakes they create, and some take longer to dispel than others. It touches briefly on themes of murder and death, as well as alluding to fictional depictions of kidnapping, torture, and abuse of children.
Duration:00:19:11
October Daye / Inheritance - Essay Series Part Two: Series Structure
9/2/2024
Hello Patrons and general audience members! Welcome to another Books That Burn essay by Robin. Thank you to Case Aiken, who receives a monthly Patron shoutout.
[Full Text Available Here]
This is the second in a five-part essay series discussing two long-running book series by queer authors: October Daye by Seanan McGuire, and Inheritance by A.K. Faulkner. I chose these series because I love them both, they were intended from the start to be long series, neither of them are finished yet, and the authors have different structural approaches to developing each series across so many volumes. Purely coincidentally, they are both long-running contemporary fantasy series mainly set in California in or near the 2010's, with major characters named Quentin, and whose fast-healing protagonists have a tendency to quasi-adopt a gaggle of magical teenagers. After a brief moment in the 1990's, October Daye begins in earnest in 2009 and has reached 2015 as of the eighteenth book, while Inheritance is ambiguously set in the mid-to-late 2010's. Each of my essays focuses on a particular topic of importance to long series such as these two. They're designed to be intelligible on their own, and can theoretically be read in any order, but most readers will have the best experience if they start with the first essay and proceed linearly.
Series Structure - Series Arcs and Monsters of the Week This essay spoils major elements of the first ten books of the Inheritance series by A.K. Faulkner, as well as the first six books in the October Daye series by Seanan McGuire, while lightly discussing some spoilers from later books in that series. It touches briefly on themes of murder and death, as well as alluding to fictional depictions of kidnapping, torture, and harm to children.
Duration:00:35:31
October Daye / Inheritance - Essay Series Part One: Character Growth
8/5/2024
Hello Patrons and general audience members! Welcome to another Books That Burn essay by Robin. Thank you to Case Aiken, who receives a monthly Patron shoutout.
[Full Transcript Available Here]
This is the first in a five-part essay series discussing two long-running book series by queer authors: October Daye by Seanan McGuire, and Inheritance by A.K. Faulkner. I chose these series because I love them both, they were intended from the start to be long series, neither of them are finished yet, and the authors have different structural approaches to developing each series across so many volumes. Purely coincidentally, they are both long-running contemporary fantasy series mainly set in California in or near the 2010's, with major characters named Quentin, and whose fast-healing protagonists have a tendency to quasi-adopt a gaggle of magical teenagers. After a brief moment in the 1990's, October Daye begins in earnest in 2009 and has reached 2015 as of the eighteenth book, while Inheritance is ambiguously set in the mid-to-late 2010's. Each of my essays focuses on a particular topic of importance to long series. They're designed to be intelligible on their own, and can theoretically be read in any order, but most readers will have the best experience if they start with the first essay and proceed linearly.
Character Growth - No one is perfect, especially not a protagonist in book one This essay spoils major elements of the following books: ROSEMARY AND RUE by Seanan McGuire and JACK OF THORNS by A.K. Faulkner, as well as lightly discussing some spoilers from later books in their respective series.
Duration:00:15:48
When Miserable People Get Happy Endings: "Unlikeable" Protagonists in Alexis Hall's Writing
7/1/2024
Hello and welcome to Books That Burn with another book essay from Robin! Thank you to Case Aiken, who receives a monthly Patron shoutout. This essay discusses (and moderately spoils) the following works by Alexis Hall:
ROSALINE PALMER TAKES THE CAKE (2021)
10 THINGS THAT NEVER HAPPENED (2023)
GLITTERLAND (2013)
WAITING FOR THE FLOOD (2024 edition)
FOR REAL (2015)
A LADY FOR A DUKE (2022)
BOYFRIEND MATERIAL (2020)
HUSBAND MATERIAL (2022)
THE AFFAIR OF THE MYSTERIOUS LETTER (2019)
A brief note: when I first conceptualized this essay, I thought I was going to read every published novel by Alexis Hall, then I intended to discuss at least one book from each of their series. It turns out that their catalog is so extensive that even after taking two months to read (and occasionally, reread) as much of their work as I could get my hands on, I still haven’t gotten to everything. Neither do I, on balance, want to spoil major elements of their entire catalog. Therefore, I haven’t read everything they've written, and I don’t reference every single thing that I read. However, I read enough to be sure of my point generally, and am happy with what I’ve chosen to reference specifically.
Link to the full Essay.
Preamble (00:00) Content Warnings (01:29) Introduction (01:52) Learning to Be Okay with One's Own Flaws (5:05) Becoming Less Reactive to the Shortcomings of Others (11:05) Reaching for Community (14:12) Accepting Something Already True (23:51) Internal Reflection and Attitude Adjustment (25:49) Change Inspired by Others (30:59) Not Changing At All (36:24) Conclusion: Challenging "Likeability" As A Goal (38:02)
Duration:00:40:45
The Rise and Fall of Snow: Why the Hunger Games prequel is good, actually
6/3/2024
Welcome to another book essay from Robin! Thank you to Case Aiken, who receives a monthly Patron shoutout. This was originally going to be an essay comparing The Hunger Games series to the Uglies quartet, but I ended up with so much to say about each series on their own that instead this discusses just The Hunger Games trilogy and the role of its prequel, "The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes".
This contains major spoilers for “The Hunger Games”, “Catching Fire”, “Mockingjay”, and “The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes”, all by Suzanne Collins.
Link to the full essay text.
Duration:00:22:15
Disability, Identity, and Allegorical Gender in SHADES AND SILVER
5/6/2024
Welcome to another book essay from Robin! Thank you Case Aiken, who receives a monthly Patron shoutout.
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This essay contains spoilers for SHADES AND SILVER by Dax Murray.
Many attempts at gender allegories in fantasy (or sci-fi) fall apart because they try to replicate binary gender in an attempt at gender essentialism in different trappings. SHADES AND SILVER deftly avoids this by starting without gender and then never focusing on it.
Full Essay Text at link.
Duration:00:17:01
Anatomy of Sequels - A Reviewer's Perspective
4/1/2024
Sometime in the first year of my review blog, I developed a checklist which I use when reviewing sequels. It helps me qualitatively describe how they are composed, and how they interact with the surrounding books in their respective series. More recently, I added a much shorter checklist for describing the first book in a series.
Full Episode Text on Reviews That Burn
Works Cited Ancrum, K. The Weight of the Stars. Imprint, 2019.
---. The Wicker King. Imprint, 2017.
Black, Holly. Ironside: A Modern Faerie Tale. Margaret K. McElderry Books, 2020.
---. Tithe: A Modern Faerie Tale. Margaret K. McElderry Books, 2020.
---. Valiant: A Modern Faerie Tale. Margaret K. McElderry Books, 2020.
Brown, Roseanne A. A Psalm of Storms and Silence. HarperCollins, 2021.
---. A Song of Wraiths and Ruin. HarperCollins, 2020.
Callender, Kacen. King of the Rising. Hachette UK, 2020.
---. Queen of the Conquered. Hachette UK, 2019.
Cipri, Nino. Defekt. Tordotcom, 2021.
---. Finna. Tordotcom, 2020.
Grant, Mira. Blackout. Orbit, 2012.
---. Deadline. Orbit, 2011.
---. Feed. Orbit, 2010.
---. Feedback. Orbit, 2016.
Khaw, Cassandra. A Song for Quiet. Tor.com, 2017.
---. Hammers on Bone. Tor.com, 2016.
Maxwell, Everina. Ocean’s Echo. Hachette UK, 2022.
---. Winter’s Orbit. Tor Books, 2021.
McGuire, Seanan. Be the Serpent. Astra Publishing House, 2022.
---. Sleep No More. Astra Publishing House, 2023.
---. The Innocent Sleep. Astra Publishing House, 2023.
Reid, Ava. Juniper and Thorn. Random House, 2022.
---. The Wolf and the Woodsman: A Novel. HarperCollins, 2021.
Weir, Andy. Artemis: A Novel. Ballantine Books, 2017.
---. The Martian: A Novel. Ballantine Books, 2014.
Westerfeld, Scott. Extras. Simon and Schuster, 2007.
---. Pretties. Simon and Schuster, 2008.
---. Specials. Simon and Schuster, 2011.
---. Uglies. Simon and Schuster, 2011.
Duration:00:19:40
Why ”Immortal Longings” Isn’t Like ”The Hunger Games”
3/4/2024
Greetings! Welcome to Books That Burn. I'm Robin, welcome to another book essay about something that was too big of a thought to fit into a normal review, specifically: Why Immortal Longings by Chloe Gong is not like The Hunger Games. Please feel free to send us suggestions for future essays. Before I get started, I'd like to thank our Patron who gets a monthly shoutout, Case Aiken. The support of our Patrons makes this podcast (and blog) possible, and we're grateful to all of you.
When perusing other reviews of Immortal Longings by Chloe Gong, I've seen many comparisons to The Hunger Games by Suzanne Collins. This comparison is both slightly true and mostly unhelpful as a generalization, as what they have in common are either superficial genre features or not unique to The Hunger Games. I understand why the comparison occurs to people so I'd like to take it seriously. Nicole and I have covered The Hunger Games on our podcast, and I recently reviewed Immortal Longings. I'll also make some reference to an earlier book with many of the same elements as later appeared in The Hunger Games: Battle Royale by Koushun Takami. You can find both parts of our podcast discussion on that book here (Part 1, Part 2), as well as my written review of Battle Royale. While I think it does make sense to compare and contrast them, these books are not interchangeable.
Please refer to the link for the full essay.
Duration:00:10:11
Queerness and Monstrosity in ”Night Shine” and ”Moon Dark Smile” by Tessa Gratton
2/5/2024
Greetings! Welcome to Books That Burn. I'm Robin, and this is the first essay I've specifically written for the podcast, to be made available first to Patrons, then to the main feed and on Reviews That Burn. Please feel free to send us suggestions for future essays. Before I get started, I'd like to thank our Patron who gets a monthly shoutout, Case Aiken. The support of our Patrons makes this podcast (and blog) possible, and we're grateful to all of you.
*This essay spoils major elements of NIGHT SHINE and MOON DARK SMILE by Tessa Gratton.
The written version of this essay can be found at the link.
Duration:00:15:19
Sleep No More, The Innocent Sleep, and the Death of Personality
1/22/2024
*This essay contains moderate spoilers for the first sixteen October Daye books, major spoilers for SLEEP NO MORE and THE INNOCENT SLEEP, and minor spoilers for Babylon 5 (S3 E4 "Passing Through Gethsemane").
Link to the original essay.
INTRO (00:36)
When reading SLEEP NO MORE and THE INNOCENT SLEEP by Seanan McGuire (the newest October Daye books), I was struck by similarities in the ethical framework of these two books and certain aspects of the 1990's sci-fi show Babylon 5, particularly the way that changes in personality or memories are treated with relation to assumptions of personhood. I am certain that Seanan McGuire is also very familiar with Babylon 5 because one of her telepathic characters in the Incryptid series uses specific aspects of Babylon 5 as a framework for ethical telepathy.
THE DEATH OF PERSONALITY IN BABYLON 5 (01:12)
UNDERLYING ASSUMPTIONS (04:46)
MAJOR CHARACTERS (06:45)
Toby - Nickname for Sir October Daye, titular character of the series, changeling (fae mother, human father)
October - Toby’s current personality in SLEEP NO MORE and THE INNOCENT SLEEP, remembers a different history from Toby of the first sixteen books
Tybalt - Cait Sidhe (cat fae), Toby’s husband (October doesn’t remember him)
Amandine - October’s mother
Simon Torquill - Daoine Sidhe, Amandine’s husband, October’s father (not by blood)
Titania - One of the queens of Faerie, cast the illusion which created October from Toby and distorted many people’s memories
Quentin - Daoine Sidhe, Toby’s squire in the previous books, currently squire to someone else
August - October’s sister, daughter of Amandine and Simon
Stacy - Toby’s friend from childhood, recently removed by Titania
PLOT HIGHLIGHTS (07:47)
TOBY VS. OCTOBER (09:57)
WHY TITANIA DOESN'T THINK THIS IS HARM (11:17)
WHY OCTOBER WANTS TO REMAIN (13:06)
THE RIDE AND TITANIA’S ALTERATIONS (14:04)
TITANIA'S TRAP ON THE RIDE (16:19)
ETHICAL PARADOXES - PERHAPS UNSOLVABLE (17:42)
THE RESOLUTION (22:00)
A MASSACRE OF MINDS (25:00)
Duration:00:22:42
Additional Reflections on ”Feed Them Silence” by Lee Mandelo
12/18/2023
To tide you over between regular episodes, Robin reads their blog post from April 2023.
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This is a follow-up to my review of "Feed Them Silence" by Lee Mandelo, involving some thoughts that are too personal to make sense in the review as they swiftly veer away from the text specifically and instead into a broader meta-conversation of books like this which I have read previously, assumed correlations between emotional complexity and humanity, and how processing these thoughts has prompted me to make a change in my own life.
CW for discussion of ableism, dehumanization, animal cruelty/death, body-horror-adjacent concepts, and brief mentions of racism and genocide
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Wikipedia - Alexithymia
Wikipedia - Philosophical Zombie
Wikipedia - Masking
In Defence of De-persons by Johanna Hedva
The Ten Stages of Genocide
Duration:00:13:35
Reflections on ”Singularity” by William Sleator
11/20/2023
To tide you over between regular episodes, Robin reads their blog post from July 2022 with thoughts on the book "Singularity". You can find the original post here. The spoiler-free book review is here.
Duration:00:05:09
Ensemble Heist Stories in Fiction
10/16/2023
Please enjoy Robin reading their blog post with some thoughts on ensemble heist stories in fiction. If you'd prefer to read it instead, you can find it here. Refer below for books of the types discussed.
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Unplanned:
THE ART OF SAVING THE WORLD Mastermind:
RIVER OF TEETHAMERICAN HIPPO Pre-Assembled:
JADE CITYJADE WARFEEDBLACKOUTBENEATH THE CITADELTASTE OF MARROWAMERICAN HIPPO CONFESSIONS OF THE FOX Hero Needs A Crew:
THE SPACE BETWEEN WORLDSTIMEKEEPER Cool heists in otherwise non-heist books/anthologies:
A UNIVERSE OF WISHESHIS HIDEOUS HEARTLEGENDBORN THE WEIGHT OF THE STARSTHE WOLF OF OREN-YARO
Duration:00:08:22
Stand-Alone 29: The Ghost Bride by Yangsze Choo
8/28/2023
This episode we’re discussing “The Ghost Bride” by Yangsze Choo, where a young woman is engaged to marry a ghost, and it turns out he's more of a meddler than she expected from the dead.
PUBLISHER: HarperAudio
YEAR: 2013
LENGTH: 368 pages (12 hours 7 minutes)
AGE: Adult
GENRE: Fantasy, Historical
RECOMMENDED: Yes
Topic 1: Murder. Begins at (1:35), CW for stalking, murder, death.
Topic 2: Overdose. Begins at (11:18), CW for overdose, death.
Topic 3: Stalking. Begins at (20:02), CW for stalking.
Promo for CPOV Fun and Games; Spoiler-free wrap-up and ratings: Begins at (33:27).
Book TW for drug use, drug abuse, excrement (brief), blood, abortion (backstory), body shaming, child abuse (backstory), medical content, child death, suicide attempt (brief mention), suicide (backstory), death.
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Duration:00:50:14
Highlight 29: “War Girls” by Tochi Onyebuchi
8/14/2023
This episode we’re discussing “War Girls” by Tochi Onyebuchi, a story of two sisters whose lives are ravaged by war.
Topic 1: Dehumanization. Begins at (1:35), CW for ableism, colorism, colonization, child abuse, medical content, body horror, war, slavery, child death, death.
Topic 2: Generational Trauma. Begins at (25:29), CW for PTSD, emotional abuse, physical abuse, child abuse, war, death.
Promo for CPOV Circle of Friendship; Spoiler-free wrap-up and ratings: Begins at (45:08).
Book TW for body horror, xenophobia, colonization, bullying, confinement (graphic), drug use, drug abuse, gun violence (graphic), violence (graphic), murder, war (graphic), suicide, child soldiers (graphic), child abuse (graphic), emotional abuse (graphic), physical abuse (graphic), infertility, torture (graphic), injury detail, slavery, parental death (graphic), child death (graphic), death (graphic).
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Duration:01:04:31
Stand-Alone 28, Part 2: Battle Royale by Koushun Takami
7/31/2023
This episode we’re discussing BATTLE ROYALE by Koushun Takami. This is the second of two episodes, this one deals with two characters who were damaged in different ways before the story begins.
PUBLISHER: Simon & Schuster
YEAR: 1999
LENGTH: 617 pages (19 hours 29 minutes)
AGE: Adult
GENRE: Dystopian, Science Fiction, Thriller
RECOMMENDED: Highly
Topic 1: Brain Damage. Begins at (1:35), CW for violence, car accident, medical trauma, child abuse, murder, child death, death.
Topic 2: Sexual Abuse. Begins at (24:12), CW for child abuse, sexual abuse, rape, murder, child death, death.
Promo for CPOV - RMC vs CG ; Spoiler-free wrap-up and ratings: Begins at (47:37).
Book TW for sexual content, cursing (graphic), ableism, mental illness, homophobia (brief), homophobic slurs (brief), sexism, misogyny, fatphobia (brief), bullying (graphic), drug use (smoking), kidnapping (graphic), confinement, child abuse (graphic), sexual harassment (graphic), sexual assault (threatened), rape (backstory), adult/minor relationship (backstory, non-consensual), vomit (graphic), blood (graphic), gore (graphic), violence (graphic), gun violence (graphic), medical content (graphic), murder (graphic), child death (graphic), death (graphic).
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Duration:01:08:39