Lead From the Heart

A photographic portrait of Julie Claeys When a global professional services firm decides that employee well-being deserves C-suite ownership — complete with metrics, guardrails, and consequences — it signals a major leap from perks to strategy. To that end, Frank Giampietro serves as the Americas Chief Well-Being Officer at Ernst Young (EY), leading well-being strategy across 12 countries and tens of thousands of employees. His role reflects a deliberate decision by EY to treat well-being as a business imperative — not an HR initiative, not a benefits package, and most certainly not a feel-good campaign. Post-COVID, EY identified a series of operational realities that couldn’t be ignored. Client demand accelerated while teams operated in hybrid and remote environments. In many areas, workloads intensified, teams grew leaner, and leaders lost the informal visibility that once helped them detect burnout or disengagement early. At the same time, employee expectations fundamentally shifted. Flexibility, mental health support, and humane leadership became baseline expectations — not differentiators. The risks were clear: attrition, presenteeism, disengagement, and burnout threatened client delivery, institutional knowledge, and long-term growth. Frank explains how EY responded by building systems to identify overload sooner, redefining leadership expectations, and introducing measurable insight through tools like its Vitality Index — combining employee feedback with operational data to give leaders real-time visibility into how their teams are doing. He also addresses the question many organizations struggle with: what does managerial accountability actually look like. What authority does a Chief Well-Being Officer have? How are leaders expected to show up differently? And what happens when even high-performing leaders fall short or even harm their teams’ well-being? For leaders who want to move beyond aspiration and embed well-being into the way work truly gets done, this episode offers a concrete, candid and compelling blueprint. The post Frank Giampietro: How EY’s Chief Well-Being Officer Drives Impact appeared first on Mark C. Crowley.

Jen Fisher is a pioneering leader in workplace well-being and human-centered leadership. She became the first Chief Well–being Officer at Deloitte US, creating a role that, as far as we know, no other major company in the world had ever established. In that role, she helped reshape how one of the largest professional services firms approaches employee wellbeing, connection, and sustainable performance, demonstrating that supporting people isn’t optional — it’s essential to leadership and organizational success. Her new book, Hope IS The Strategy, builds on these experiences, reframing hope not as a soft or sentimental concept, but as a practical, strategic tool leaders can use to guide teams, foster resilience, and drive meaningful change in the workplace. In this conversation, Jen shares her personal journey from relentless overwork and burnout — long hours, constant emails, and defining her worth by productivity — to a life and career guided by wellbeing and intentional leadership. We explore why so many high achievers fall into the trap of tying value to output, and how leaders can cultivate cultures that truly support people, elevate resilience, and inspire connection. We also dive into hope as a leadership strategy: why it matters, how it can be developed in teams, and what it looks like in practice when leaders prioritize wellbeing. Jen offers practical guidance for creating humane workplaces, making employee well-being a shared responsibility, and leading with empathy, clarity, and heart. For anyone seeking to transform their approach to leadership, culture, and performance, this episode provides both candid stories and actionable insights. The post Jen Fisher: Leading With Hope And Well-Being appeared first on Mark C. Crowley.

How can leaders use emotional intelligence to create workplaces where employees flourish? We explore the science and practice of emotional wisdom, examining how leaders can harness the interplay between emotion and reason to foster well-being, connection, and high performance in their teams. Josh Freedman, named one of the top 50 management and leadership experts by Inc. Magazine, is a global authority on emotions and emotional intelligence. He has spent decades helping leaders develop the skills to better understand themselves and connect with their teams. In our wonderful conversation, Josh reveals the “secret power” most leaders overlook: emotional intelligence — more specifically, the ability to understand and harness emotions in oneself and others to drive connection, well-being, and performance. Josh’s new book, Emotion Rules: The Science and Practice of Emotional Wisdom, provides a practical roadmap for leaders who want to apply emotional intelligence to improve both individual and organizational performance. Drawing on decades of research and practice, the book challenges the myth that great leaders are cool, detached, and relentlessly rational. Instead, Josh shows that emotion and reason are deeply intertwined — and that understanding this interplay is essential for effective leadership. Our conversation explores the idea that humans aren’t strictly rational beings, as highlighted by New York Times columnist David Brooks, who recently described our minds as “swirls” — dynamic, interconnected systems where emotion and reason are inseparable. Josh explains why this framing is critical for leaders who want to support employee well-being. We also examine how historical and cultural myths have shaped the way business views emotion, and what leaders can do to shift these outdated perspectives. Practical skills for leaders are a key focus. Josh shares how to connect with one’s own feelings, reflect on emotional data, and act with presence. He introduces the TFA Triangle, showing how Thoughts, Feelings, and Actions interact, and how understanding this helps leaders respond more effectively to employees, especially during times of stress or change. Josh explains emotional contagion and how leaders shape the overall culture and atmosphere of their teams. He also addresses one of today’s most pressing organizational challenges: burnout, explaining why it is driven more by unmet emotional needs than logistics — and what leaders can do to prevent it and support their teams. The post Joshua Freedman: The Secret Power Leaders Ignore appeared first on Mark C. Crowley.

One of our all-time favorite guests, Daniel Coyle returns for a timely and thought-provoking conversation on human flourishing, belonging, and what leaders often misunderstand about employee well-being. Coyle is widely known for his ability to translate rigorous research into clear, actionable insights for leaders, and seven years ago, he joined us to discuss The Culture Code – an episode that has gone on to be one of the most downloaded conversations in our show’s history. Daniel is back with a new book, Flourish: The Art of Building Meaning, Joy, and Fulfillment, which challenges conventional thinking about well-being at work. Rather than focusing on individual habits, resilience training, or wellness initiatives, Coyle explores the deeper relational and environmental conditions that allow people to thrive together. The core premise is deceptively simple but deeply disruptive: flourishing is not something people achieve alone. Coyle argues that individuals become their fullest selves through meaningful relationships and through a felt sense of belonging to something larger than themselves. For leaders, this reframes well-being as an outcome of culture—not a program to be managed. Trust, connection, and shared purpose matter more than perks, and leadership behavior plays a decisive role in shaping whether those conditions exist. The discussion also examines a defining paradox of modern work: people are more digitally connected than ever, yet increasingly isolated. Coyle explains how many workplaces unintentionally undermine the conditions required for real connection—and how leaders often reinforce this through excessive control, speed, and over-reliance on hierarchy. Insights are drawn from unexpected places, including a trust-building practice used by a basketball coach at Penn State University, a powerful moment of collective reflection led by Fred “Mr.” Rogers, and a community that consistently produces Olympic athletes. Together, these examples point toward a more humane model of leadership—one centered on humility, shared ownership, and creating the conditions where people can truly flourish. This is a conversation for leaders who sense that something essential is missing in today’s workplaces—and who are ready to rethink how connection, trust, and meaning are actually built. It offers a compelling reminder that when leaders focus on creating the right conditions, well-being and performance don’t compete—they reinforce one another. The post Daniel Coyle: How Leaders Create The Conditions For Flourishing appeared first on Mark C. Crowley.

Some organizations have no heart at all. The best have three! That’s the thesis of the new book, The Octopus Organization: A Guide to Thriving in a World of Continuous Transformation, co-authored by our guests, Phil Le Brun and Jana Werner. Both work with leaders operating at global scale—Phil as an Executive in Residence at Amazon Web Services, and Jana as a Global Executive Advisor at AWS—helping organizations navigate complexity, change, and continuous transformation. In their book, Phil and Jana introduce a clear contrast between what they call Tin Man organizations and Octopus organizations. Tin Man organizations are rigid, highly centralized, and overly dependent on a small group of decision-makers at the top. Like the character in The Wizard of Oz, they operate with structure but no heart. Decision-making slows, intelligence gets trapped in the hierarchy, and employees often wait for direction rather than contributing meaningfully. Octopus organizations, by contrast, are alive with three hearts. They are intelligent, adaptive, and responsive. A strong central purpose keeps everyone aligned, but authority and decision-making are distributed to the people closest to the work. Teams are empowered to sense, decide, and act, allowing the organization to learn, adapt, and thrive in real time. A central contribution of the book is the identification of what Phil and Jana call organizational “anti-patterns”—recurring leadership behaviors and systems that feel reasonable in the moment but consistently undermine clarity, trust, cohesion, and performance. These patterns exist even in organizations with talented people and strong intentions. In this episode, we explore several anti-patterns in depth: the lack of clarity that leaves people guessing what truly matters; the overuse of corporate jargon that creates distance and mistrust; purpose statements that are words on a page rather than guides for behavior; and cultures that elevate individual stars at the expense of cohesive, high-performing teams. We also discuss why fast, open information flow is essential for adaptability and well-being. Phil and Jana also reconfirm our own understanding that well-being cannot be created through perks or programs—it emerges from how people are treated, trusted, and empowered, and how work is designed and decisions flow. For leaders who care about performance, well-being, and building more humane organizations, this episode offers practical insight into creating workplaces that truly thrive. The post Phil Le-Brun & Jana Werner: How Organizations Thrive When They Have Three Hearts appeared first on Mark C. Crowley.

For decades, Wall Street has rewarded short-term thinking: layoffs, cost-cutting, and squeezing employees. Let’s be honest, investors have never been concerned about workers or their well-being. But that era is ending. David Van Adelsberg, CEO and co-founder of Irrational Capital (alongside renowned behavioral economist Dan Ariely), has helped produce some of the most rigorous research on the connection between employee well-being and long-term business performance. The work draws on data from thousands of publicly traded companies over more than a decade—and the results are hard to ignore. Irrational Capital’s research shows that companies ranking in the top 20% for employee well-being significantly outperform those in the bottom 20%—by nearly six percentage points over 11 years. Even more striking, their study proves intrinsic factors like trust, clarity, innovation, and connection are consistently more important drivers of company performance than extrinsic rewards such as pay and benefits. In other words, caring and supportive leaders matter more than what they pay. For years, CEOs and boards have nodded toward employee well-being without taking decisive action. Now, with investors and market analysts clearly rewarding companies that get it right, ignoring how people feel at work is no longer optional. In our conversation, David explains how his research was conducted, what surprised him most, and the practical implications for leadership teams still on the sidelines (not a bright future). For leaders wanting proof that supporting the human needs in employees is worthwhile, we’ve never had greater information to share. The post David Van Adelsberg: Why Wall Street Is Betting on Employee Well-Being appeared first on Mark C. Crowley.

For only the second time since launching the Lead From The Heart podcast in 2018, Mark is opening a new season by speaking directly to you—without a guest. Eight years ago, Mark used the very first episode to introduce himself and his mission for the show. As this new season begins, he felt it was important to pause again, reflect, and—once more—clearly frame the context for what lies ahead. Over the past seven years, the podcast has featured more than 170 remarkable guests—CEOs, researchers, academics, and thinkers whose work helped shape and advance a leadership philosophy that was once considered unconventional. What began as a challenge to traditional management thinking has steadily become part of the mainstream conversation about leadership, performance, and culture. Today, many of Mark’s ideas that once provoked debate—or even ridicule—are no longer contested. In this solo episode, Mark revisits why he created the podcast, what it set out to influence, and how the leadership landscape has changed since it began. As you’ll hear, Season 8 marks an important inflection point. Mark introduces a new dimension he’s adding to the show—one designed to keep the podcast vital and relevant while aligning it more closely with the moment leaders now find themselves in. Just before the new year, Mark published an article in Fast Company outlining why he believes employee well-being is poised to become a true business priority. In this episode, he expands on that thinking and explains how the podcast will support leaders navigating what comes next. The post Mark C. Crowley: The Future Of The Lead From The Heart Podcast appeared first on Mark C. Crowley.

The first chapter of my new book, The Power of Employee Well-Being is titled Know Thyself—and for good reason. I’ve long believed that the most important work a leader can do begins inward, with deeply understanding who you are, how you show up, and the patterns that shape your behavior. That’s exactly what […] The post Margaret Andrews: Why Leading Others Begins with Understanding Yourself appeared first on Mark C. Crowley.

Mark Thompson is widely recognized as the world’s #1 CEO coach, bringing more than 30 years of experience preparing top executives and boards — from global corporations to fast-growing startups — to step confidently into their next leadership roles. As founding Chairman of the Chief Executive Alliance and former Chief Experience Officer at […] The post Mark Thompson — The #1 Coach to CEOs Prepares Leaders for Their Next Opportunity appeared first on Mark C. Crowley.

Have you ever noticed how many people — even highly successful leaders — live in constant overdrive? They’re productive, disciplined, and always “on,” but inside, they’re exhausted. That’s survival mode — and according to Jon Rosemberg, author of A Guide to Thriving: The Science Behind Breaking Old Patterns, Reclaiming Your Agency, and Finding Meaning, […] The post Jon Rosemberg: How To Break Out Of Survival Mode — And Start Thriving appeared first on Mark C. Crowley.

Why Do Smart, Capable Leaders So Often Get In Their Own Way? Muriel M. Wilkins — executive coach, host of the Harvard Business Review podcast Coaching Real Leaders, and author of the brilliant new book Leadership Unblocked: Break Through the Beliefs That Limit Your Potential — has spent her career helping senior leaders uncover the invisible […] The post Muriel Wilkins: Breaking Through the Hidden Beliefs That Hold Leaders Back appeared first on Mark C. Crowley.

The core message of Colin M. Fisher’s new book, The Collective Edge: Unlocking the Secret Power of Groups, is simple but profound: we dramatically overestimate the role of individuals in success and underestimate the extraordinary power of groups. History celebrates “great men” like Edison, Jobs, and Musk, but the truth is that real breakthroughs […] The post Colin Fisher: Why Teams, Not Stars, Create Lasting Success appeared first on Mark C. Crowley.

Klaus Kleinfeld has lived one of the most extraordinary leadership journeys of our time. He’s the only executive ever to serve as CEO of two Fortune 500 giants on different continents—Siemens in Germany and Alcoa in the U.S.—and he’s advised presidents and global leaders around the world. What struck me most in speaking […] The post Klaus Kleinfeld: A CEO Who Believes Well-Being Is the Real Edge in Leadership appeared first on Mark C. Crowley.

Laurie Santos is one of the world’s leading voices on the science of happiness and well-being. She’s a psychology professor at Yale University, where her course Psychology and the Good Life became the most popular class in Yale’s 300-year history. So many students enrolled that the university had to move it to a concert hall […] The post Laurie Santos: Yale’s Star Professor Brings the Science of Happiness & Well-Being to Work appeared first on Mark C. Crowley.

For the second half of this podcast season, we’ve been focused on employee well-being—why it matters, how to foster it, and what happens when leaders fail to take it seriously. Our new guest, Amy Gilliland, shows what it looks like when a CEO makes well-being a true priority, not a mere slogan. Amy is president […] The post Amy Gilliland: A CEO Who Puts Employee Well-Being at the Center of Success appeared first on Mark C. Crowley.

That’s the groundbreaking case made by Dr. Angela Jackson, Harvard University professor and New York Times bestselling author of The Win-Win Workplace: How Thriving Employees Drive Bottom-Line Success. Angela’s journey is remarkable. After losing her mother at age four, she was raised by grandparents who grew up in the Jim Crow South and never advanced […] The post Angela Jackson: What If Thriving Employees Were The Key To Thriving Companies? appeared first on Mark C. Crowley.

Nick Foster, former head of design at Google X — the “moonshot factory” — and author of Could, Should, Might, Don’t: How We Think About the Future, joins us to discuss his stunning conclusion that human beings are terrible at predicting the future, calling most forecasts “mostly nonsense.” For leaders, this insight is […] The post Nick Foster: What If Most Predictions About the Future Are Just Noise? appeared first on Mark C. Crowley.

What’s worse than a boss who emails you at midnight, demanding instant replies? How about one who calls you “Mohammed” instead of your real name, Madhumita, or another who expects you to dive back into work just days after your father’s sudden death. Wall Street Journal and USA Today bestselling author, Mita Mallick […] The post Mita Mallick: Bad Bosses Have Much To Teach Us appeared first on Mark C. Crowley.

In this thought-provoking episode, we sit down with Urs Koenig, author of “Radical Humility: Be A Badass Leader And A Good Human,” to explore leadership through a lens of selflessness and authenticity. Drawing from his experience as a peacekeeping mission commander in Kosovo, Urs shares surprising insights on leading in high-stakes environments, revealing how […] The post Urs Koenig: Humility Is Leadership’s Secret Weapon appeared first on Mark C. Crowley.

Is Bree Goff delusional or naive to believe work should be a source of fun and joy? Having read her bestseller, Today Was Fun: A Book About Work (Seriously) and interviewed her, we’re certain she’s spot-on—and voicing what many of us have long felt: work shouldn’t be a grind that erodes our happiness or well-being. […] The post Bree Goff: Reimagining Work with Joy and Purpose appeared first on Mark C. Crowley.