
Art of Procurement
Business & Economics Podcasts
Learn from procurement experts. Host Philip Ideson talks with thought leaders who share the trends, strategies and tactics that you can lever to elevate the role of procurement - and your career.
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United States
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Learn from procurement experts. Host Philip Ideson talks with thought leaders who share the trends, strategies and tactics that you can lever to elevate the role of procurement - and your career.
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@aopshow
Language:
English
Episodes
Conquering the Decision Abyss: From Data to Supply Chain Impact W/ Keith Hartley
9/8/2025
“A decision abyss is the chasm that forms between critical supply chain functions… and that's what keeps and prevents organizations from making fast, cross-functional, well-informed data-driven decisions.” – Keith Hartley, CEO and Board Member at LevaData, CEO of The Abyss Group
In today’s hyper-connected supply chains, data is everywhere, but turning it into fast, confident decisions remains elusive. The cost? Slow launches, eroding margins, and “spreadsheet heroics” that mask deeper issues. As the complexity compounds year after year, procurement leaders face a tough choice: keep coping, or tackle what Keith Hartley calls the “decision abyss.”
In this Art of Procurement podcast episode, Keith, CEO of LevaData and author of the new book “Conquering the Decision Abyss”, joins host Philip Ideson to dig into this silent but urgent challenge.
They explore why siloed information and human habits – not just technology – are holding teams back, and what’s truly required to turn fragmented data into bold, coordinated action. Keith also shares real-world stories, quick wins, and a candid take on why C-suites are finally wading into supply chain’s black box.
In this episode, Keith also discusses how to:
Links:
Keith Hartley on LinkedIn Subscribe to This Week in ProcurementSubscribe to Art of Procurement on YouTube
Duration:00:41:05
BTW EP 17: Check Yourself Before You Wreck Your P&L: Validating Procurement's Efforts with Kristine Morton
9/3/2025
When Kristine Morton's was first introduced to the flawed incentive structures plaguing much of corporate procurement, she said, “That all sounds stupid." Her blunt reaction reveals something profound: it is possible to build a procurement career without ever encountering the dysfunctional systems that dominate so many large organizations.
In this episode of "Buy: The Way...To Purposeful Procurement," Kristine Morton, Director of Strategic Sourcing at Unleashed Brands, joins Philip Ideson and Rich Ham to demonstrate what procurement looks like when stakeholders demand proof, not promises.
Working across franchise systems and private equity-backed companies, Kristine serves over 1,000 individual franchise owners who scrutinize every P&L line item. In her world, "savings" means money that actually hits the bottom line, not projections based on contract signatures. Every initiative undergoes rigorous testing before rollout, and continuous measurement ensures stakeholders receive exactly what was promised.
In this episode, she explains the stark contrast between procurement theory and practice. While large corporations debate abstract incentive structures, Kristine focuses on operational empathy, which means understanding what makes franchise owners' lives easier, cheaper, or better.
Her approach to category management is truly continuous. As Kristine puts it, “My vendor relationships don't end at contract signature. If I don't follow up and ensure our initiatives deliver what we promised, I won't learn when things don't work out.”
Kristine’s leadership journey demonstrates that purposeful procurement doesn't require managing billions in spend. There's profound purpose in simply making efforts real and ensuring stakeholders get what they were promised. With this perspective, adoption is validation; if programs don't deliver value, business owners simply won't participate.
Links:
Kristine MortonRich Ham on LinkedInLearn more at FineTuneUs.com
Duration:00:30:12
830: Inside AOP's Acquisition of the ProcureTech100: Objectivity, Community, Impact
9/1/2025
“ProcureTech100 is the voice of the user. It's the voice of the customer. We want the perspective of those who are using these solutions every day, who have done proof of concepts, and who have seen the ROI.” - Philip Ideson, Co-Founder and Managing Director at Art of Procurement
Today’s procurement leaders are surrounded by tech innovation and disruption, but separating real value from empty hype is more complex than ever. With hundreds of new providers, AI tools, and shifting priorities, staying competitive calls for more than just another list of solutions; it demands objective, peer-driven insights.
This week, Art of Procurement co-founders Philip Ideson and Kelly Barner unpack the acquisition of the ProcureTech100 and Founders’ Circle programs. They explain what sets the ProcureTech100 apart, why practitioner voices matter, and how this new approach will improve visibility, trust, and practical decision-making for procurement teams everywhere.
Tune in for a candid conversation about rethinking technology intelligence, the importance of independence in awards and recommendations, and how community engagement is shaping the next chapter of procurement’s digital story.
In this episode, Philip and Kelly:
Links:
Trust & Transparency: Judging the 2025/26 ProcureTech100 Art of Procurement Acquires ProcureTech100, ProcureTech100 Yearbook, and Founders' Circle Subscribe to This Week in ProcurementSubscribe to Art of Procurement on YouTube
Duration:00:25:36
829: From Good to Great: How Business Partnering Transforms Procurement Teams
8/25/2025
"Business partnering is what sets apart good procurement teams from great procurement teams, especially in indirect procurement... Those who are good at partnering with the business, they actually are able to excel." - Sasha Sergeev, Director of Technical & Corporate Procurement, Nova Chemicals
Procurement must evolve beyond traditional cost-focused metrics to become true business partners that drive organizational success. The most mature procurement teams understand that delivering exceptional stakeholder support and building embedded relationships creates far more value than savings alone.
In this episode of the Art of Procurement podcast, recorded at the Supply Chain Canada National Conference, procurement transformation leader Sasha Sergeev, Director of Technical & Corporate Procurement at Nova Chemicals, reveals the comprehensive approach his organization used to elevate their indirect procurement team from good to great through strategic business partnering.
Sasha shares practical insights on conducting honest maturity assessments, embedding procurement professionals within business teams, and building stakeholder relationships that separate high-performing procurement organizations from the rest.
Sasha also discusses:
Links:
Sasha Sergeev on LinkedIn Subscribe to This Week in ProcurementSubscribe to Art of Procurement on YouTube
Duration:00:29:16
BTW EP 16: Lightbulb Moments: Shedding Light on Purposeful & Productive Procurement
8/20/2025
“Savings is completely self-invented and pointless because it's separated from the real P&L."
This assessment from Bayer Chief Procurement Officer Thomas Udesen captures the essence of what may be procurement's most radical transformation in decades.
In this episode of “Buy: The Way...To Purposeful Procurement,” Thomas joins Philip Ideson and Rich Ham to discuss how one of the world's largest pharmaceutical companies abandoned traditional procurement metrics entirely, replacing “savings” with six C's that actually drive business outcomes: cost, cash, carbon, community, compliance, and continuity.
Thomas's approach defies conventional wisdom at every turn.
At Bayer, every employee can spend up to €50,000 without pre-approval – a level of transactional autonomy that would terrify most procurement organizations. Yet the results speak for themselves: increased responsibility, entrepreneurial thinking, and more strategic spend management decisions driven by transparency rather than control.
The conversation reveals how procurement's obsession with “savings” has become a self-inflicted wound. Stakeholders roll their eyes when procurement leads with savings slides because the metrics mean nothing to them. Instead, Bayer measures real P&L impact through price index benchmarking and spend ratios that directly correlate to competitive performance.
In this episode, Thomas demonstrates that purposeful procurement isn't just theoretical; it's already happening. His parting challenge: procurement can be “the heartbeat of the change that is coming.”
Links:
Thomas Udesen on LinkedInRich Ham on LinkedInLearn more at FineTuneUs.com
Duration:00:43:32
How to Turn Market Chaos Into Procurement’s Strategic Advantage W/ Adam Collins
8/18/2025
"I believe if you can define it, you can source it. And if you can source it, you can auction it." - Adam Collins, Head of Sales, Esker
Procurement teams are navigating unprecedented global disruptions, from tariffs and geopolitical tensions to supply chain instabilities that refuse to settle.
What if these chaotic conditions actually present procurement's greatest opportunity to demonstrate strategic value?
In this episode, Philip Ideson and Kelly Barner are joined by Adam Collins from Esker to explore how procurement can leverage fundamental strategic sourcing techniques to not just survive but thrive in turbulent market conditions.
Adam’s procurement technology experience is predominantly focused on source-to-contract capabilities that offer practical ways to turn market chaos into competitive advantage.
In this episode, Adam discusses:
Links:
Adam Collins on LinkedInWatch: Sourcing Strategically in Chaotic Conditions Subscribe to This Week in ProcurementSubscribe to Art of Procurement on YouTube
Duration:00:54:03
827: Lessons in Resilience From a Procurement Change Journey W/ Tanya Roach
8/11/2025
There is no template for transformation. You have to build transformation for the organization that you're in. Go and learn as much as you can about the organization and then pivot where you need to.”
- Tanya Roach, Director of Procurement, Federated Co-operatives Limited
Building procurement from scratch is never easy… let alone within a 90-year-old organization, during a pandemic, and with business demands changing faster than ever. Resilient, adaptable team members are the key to overcoming challenges and creating lasting transformation.
In this episode, Tanya Roach, Director of Procurement at Federated Co-operatives Limited, speaks to Philip Ideson at the 2025 Supply Chain Canada National Conference.
Tanya shares her transformation journey: from assembling a new team during COVID to designing processes with flexibility, and the lessons learned from steady, people-centered change.
In this candid conversation, she details how picking the right talent, using technology as a true enabler, and upskilling for AI set the stage for procurement success in a complex cooperative model.
Whether you’re leading a transformation or shaping day-to-day change, Tanya’s story offers practical strategies:
Links:
Tanya Roach on LinkedIn Subscribe to This Week in ProcurementSubscribe to Art of Procurement on YouTube
Duration:00:28:29
BTW EP 15: The Phil-Ins: Expanding the Value Menu
8/6/2025
Halfway through their journey toward purposeful procurement, the co-hosts confront a fundamental question: if procurement drives value in so many ways beyond cost savings, why do incentive structures ignore virtually everything else?
In this episode of "Buy: The Way...To Purposeful Procurement," Philip Ideson, Rich Ham, and Kelly Barner discuss insights from their recent conversations with Martin Chilcott and Paul Polizzotto to explore a troubling pattern: procurement consistently creates value despite their flawed incentive structures, not because of them.
The conversation maps procurement's hidden value drivers… from supplier-enabled innovation that harnesses R&D capabilities many times larger than any single organization, to supplier diversification efforts that identify alternatives but rarely get implemented, to risk mitigation strategies that could free companies from incumbent supplier traps.
The hosts also examine why procurement tends to abandon innovation initiatives precisely when they're most needed, creating self-defeating cycles that damage supplier relationships. Kelly adds a practitioner's perspective into the mix, pointing out the frustration of extensive supplier qualification work that gets shelved due to entrenched decision structures, systematically wasting value creation that never appears on any scorecard.
The episode also sets up the series' next phase: conversations with executives who've successfully broken the mold on traditional incentive structures, proving that purposeful procurement is achievable at any scale.
Links:
Rich Ham on LinkedInLearn more at FineTuneUs.com
Duration:00:34:11
826: Deglobalization Hype and Reality for Supply Chain Leaders W/ Philip Ideson and Kelly Barner
8/4/2025
“Deglobalization is a nice soundbite, but the reality is, we need more focus on risk management and mitigation.” – Philip Ideson, Co-Founder and Managing Director, Art of Procurement
Deglobalization is a hot topic right now, but behind the big headlines and boardroom buzzwords, real change is proving to be slow, complicated, and deeply influenced by geopolitics and regulation.
Are companies really bringing supply chains home, or is the story much more nuanced?
In this episode, Art of Procurement co-hosts Philip Ideson and Kelly Barner get candid on what’s behind deglobalization: from shifting away from China and the reality of “diversifying in name only,” to why risk management and local expertise matter now more than ever.
They discuss why many global supply strategies often move in cycles, and what procurement leaders can do to shape smarter, more resilient portfolios (despite increasing uncertainty).
In this episode, Philip and Kelly cover:
Links:
Subscribe to This Week in ProcurementSubscribe to Art of Procurement on YouTube
Duration:00:30:13
825: Procurement 6 | August 1st, 2025
8/1/2025
Procurement 6 is a short podcast from Art of Procurement that publishes in the Art of Procurement feed every Friday morning at 6am US Eastern Time.
Presented by a member of the Art of Procurement team, each episode has 6 short segments that summarize the week in procurement.
Segments range from procurement tips to podcast summaries, from details of events to news or overviews of blog posts that capture our attention.
Duration:00:10:22
824: Why Technology Complexity Kills User Adoption W/ Jason Kim
7/28/2025
"I think we have hit a tipping point where procurement has become a pretty complicated practice. There's so many options and choices and optimizations with concepts that are just so alien to the typical user." - Jason Kim, Senior Director of Product Management, Coupa
The procurement technology landscape demands solutions that work for both power users and occasional requesters, yet many organizations struggle with platforms that create friction rather than facilitating smooth workflows. Usability isn't just about the user experience. It’s about adoption, compliance, and ultimately the strategic perception of procurement itself.
In this episode, Jason Kim, Senior Director of Product Management at Coupa, explains how AI, integration capabilities, and user interface design are reshaping the procurement experience for everyone from seasoned buyers to infrequent requesters.
Jason shares practical insights on designing systems that eliminate cognitive overhead, the critical importance of transparency in procurement workflows, and how meeting users where they are (rather than forcing them into rigid interfaces) drives better outcomes for procurement organizations.
Jason also discusses:
Links:
Jason Kim on LinkedIn Subscribe to This Week in ProcurementSubscribe to Art of Procurement on YouTube
Duration:00:33:03
823: Procurement 6 | July 25th, 2025
7/25/2025
Procurement 6 is a short podcast from Art of Procurement that publishes in the Art of Procurement feed every Friday morning at 6am US Eastern Time.
Presented by a member of the Art of Procurement team, each episode has 6 short segments that summarize the week in procurement.
Segments range from procurement tips to podcast summaries, from details of events to news or overviews of blog posts that capture our attention.
Duration:00:09:46
BTW EP 14: Targeted Social Impact: Exploring Often Overlooked Value with Paul Polizzotto
7/23/2025
“Businesses are wasting more money than they're making.”
This stark assessment from serial entrepreneur Paul Polizzotto frames a provocative question: what if procurement's greatest untapped opportunity lies not in negotiating better prices, but in redirecting the millions corporations already squander on ineffective sales and marketing spend?
In this episode of "Buy: The Way...To Purposeful Procurement," Paul Polizzotto, founder of Community AI and former CEO of EcoMedia (which was sold to CBS), joins co-hosts Philip Ideson and Rich Ham to explore how procurement can transform transactional moments into powerful engines for social impact - without paying a penny more for goods and services.
Paul's track record speaks for itself: at EcoMedia, he redirected over $600 million of incremental advertising revenues toward community projects, powering solar installations on schools and city halls (including making Miami's City Hall the first major municipal building powered entirely by renewable energy), while making CBS more profitable. The secret? Tapping into the 10-30 percent of gross revenues that Fortune 500 companies routinely waste on ineffective SG&A expenses.
The conversation reveals a fundamental misunderstanding about social impact procurement.
While procurement teams worry about paying extra for "do-good" initiatives, Paul demonstrates how suppliers can fund meaningful community projects from their existing – and often wasteful – advertising, marketing, and event budgets. These are dollars that currently provide zero value, yet can be redirected to create measurable local impact while strengthening supplier relationships.
As Paul notes, 92 percent of CEOs surveyed by BCG believe that embedding social impact in procurement significantly elevates the function's importance and relevance within their organizations. If procurement seeks to demonstrate value beyond traditional cost savings, community impact offers a measurable, strategic pathway to C-suite relevance.
Links:
Paul Polizzotto on LinkedIn
Rich Ham on LinkedIn
Learn more at FineTuneUs.com
Duration:00:36:31
822: Active Communication as a Procurement Game Changer W/ Jack Skerry
7/21/2025
“You really have to intimately understand what the organization needs out of you, and that happens through good discourse, good conversation, good communication.”
- Jack Skerry, Vice President of Supply Chain, Moosehead Breweries
Transforming procurement performance demands more than technical expertise.
Senior leaders know that without strong communication skills like active listening, transparency, and empathetic engagement, procurement’s impact is, at best, limited. As organizations adapt at speed, active communication is a non-negotiable difference-maker.
In this Art of Procurement podcast episode, Moosehead Breweries’ Vice President of Supply Chain, Jack Skerry, sits down with Philip Ideson at the Supply Chain Canada National Conference.
Jack’s two decades spanning marketing, HR, sales, and supply chain provide an uncommonly broad background for a procurement leader. He shares practical ways to align teams, build trust with both internal stakeholders and suppliers, and move procurement from cost center to valued business partner.
Jack’s insights on transparency, negotiation, and the power of a ‘T-shaped career’ resonate in a market where supplier relationships and stakeholder engagement define competitive advantage.
In this episode, Jack discusses:
Links:
Jack Skerry on LinkedIn Subscribe to This Week in ProcurementSubscribe to Art of Procurement on YouTube
Duration:00:25:46
821: Procurement 6 | July 18th, 2025
7/18/2025
Procurement 6 is a short podcast from Art of Procurement that publishes in the Art of Procurement feed every Friday morning at 6am US Eastern Time.
Presented by a member of the Art of Procurement team, each episode has 6 short segments that summarize the week in procurement.
Segments range from procurement tips to podcast summaries, from details of events to news or overviews of blog posts that capture our attention.
Duration:00:11:15
820: Managing Risk and Relationships in Semiconductor Sourcing W/ Graham Scott
7/14/2025
“It’s not going to take much to push us back into a shortage market where demand would exceed supply.” - Graham Scott, Vice President, Global Procurement at Jabil
Semiconductor volatility is grabbing headlines again, but what’s really happening beneath the surface for organizations buying and managing critical components?
Graham Scott, Vice President of Global Procurement at Jabil, knows this landscape inside and out. In this episode, Graham speaks with Philip Ideson about the biggest pressures facing procurement teams, from AI-driven shifts in global supply, to the real cost of building resilient risk-management strategies.
Graham discusses how transparency and agility will set the winners apart, and why procurement teams must stay close to both operational details and C-suite priorities. For procurement teams steering spend, pushing for greater optionality or navigating complex geopolitical headwinds, Graham shares strategies they can use right now.
Graham also covers:
Links:
Graham Scott on LinkedIn Subscribe to This Week in ProcurementSubscribe to Art of Procurement on YouTube
Duration:00:34:04
819: Procurement 6 | July 11th, 2025
7/11/2025
Procurement 6 is a short podcast from Art of Procurement that publishes in the Art of Procurement feed every Friday morning at 6am US Eastern Time.
Presented by a member of the Art of Procurement team, each episode has 6 short segments that summarize the week in procurement.
Segments range from procurement tips to podcast summaries, from details of events to news or overviews of blog posts that capture our attention.
Duration:00:10:51
BTW EP 13: A Chilling Reality: How the Harms of Flawed Incentive Plans Extend Beyond the P&L with Martin Chilcott
7/9/2025
Between annual targets and cost-focused KPIs, procurement leaders find themselves in an impossible bind when it comes to decarbonization: they know sustainability matters, yet the very incentive structures designed to reward their performance actively undermine their decarbonization efforts.
In this episode, co-hosts Rich Ham and Philip Ideson speak with Martin Chilcott, Founder and CEO of 2 Degrees Limited and Founder of Manufacture 2030, to explore how procurement incentives could rapidly accelerate corporate decarbonization.
Martin works with global corporations across manufacturing, pharmaceuticals, and automotive industries, and he's seen firsthand how carbon strategies succeed or stall based on the commercial relationship between procurement and their suppliers.
Martin points out an important truth that many procurement leaders understand but struggle to quantify: "Carbon costs exist right now, even if they don't appear on your budget line." He shared concrete examples like Panama Canal disruptions and cocoa price hikes, with climate disruptions already impacting business financials.
The problem, he says, isn't awareness, but short-termism and narrow financial definitions that discourage investment. As Martin says, "If reducing emissions isn’t explicitly worth the effort financially, suppliers won’t make the effort."
The way forward requires fundamental changes to how procurement defines value. By reframing total cost of ownership to explicitly include carbon, implementing longer-term contracts with carbon reduction targets, and building targeted supplier incentives, procurement can make decarbonization both profitable and achievable.
Links:
Martin Chilcott on LinkedInRich Ham on LinkedInLearn more at FineTuneUs.com
Duration:00:36:51
818: Elevating Procurement’s Impact Through Strategic Relationships W/ Michael Bertalli
7/7/2025
“My number one rule for being a professional procurement person is to be fair and consistent. You've got to give every supplier the same opportunity, the same amount of time, and the same pieces of information, so you've got a level playing field.” - Michael Bertalli
Today's procurement teams must deliver value through strong relationships and a reputation for professionalism that extends far beyond cost savings alone. Exceptional relationship skills – both within organizations and with external suppliers – have a significant strategic impact and can dictate lasting business outcomes.
In this episode, experienced procurement leader Michael Bertalli outlines exactly what it takes to build impactful relationships and project authentic professionalism.
Michael reveals practical insight on internal and external relationship strategies, explores actionable steps for deeper stakeholder collaboration, and emphasizes the nuanced art of supplier engagement.
Michael also discusses:
Links:
Michael Bertalli on LinkedIn Subscribe to This Week in ProcurementSubscribe to Art of Procurement on YouTube
Duration:00:23:47
817: Procurement 6 | July 4th, 2025
7/4/2025
Procurement 6 is a short podcast from Art of Procurement that publishes in the Art of Procurement feed every Friday morning at 6am US Eastern Time.
Presented by a member of the Art of Procurement team, each episode has 6 short segments that summarize the week in procurement.
Segments range from procurement tips to podcast summaries, from details of events to news or overviews of blog posts that capture our attention.
Duration:00:10:48