Leaving Eden Podcast

In today's episode, Sadie discusses the recent article in Vanity Fair about Hyles-Anderson College, which she attended from the fall of 2011 until the spring of 2013. While this article did a good job of explaining what makes this college so controlling, we felt that this subject would have been better served with a longer-form piece that focused more on the deeper aspects of control rather than JUST the dress code. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/the-college-for-trad-wives?srsltid=AfmBOopagpD8okZIVAWJdyk7Svyax_rmS8qF4xH0n2dryDQj7eEVtsRL 00:00 - Intro 05:23 - Tradwives 07:43 - Rules for men vs. women 09:43 - MRS Degrees 14:58 - The IFB 20:23 - The Curriculum 28:01 - Bus Routes 33:12 - How Sadie Almost got expelled 38:08 - What the Vanity Fair could have done better 42:48 - Why some people don't make it 44:46 - This is an insular culture Subscribe to Leaving Eden Podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ4q94gAnsoW2jME4SvVrrQ Join our Patreon for extended, uncensored, and ad-free versions of most of our episodes, as well as other patron perks and bonus content! https://www.patreon.com/LeavingEdenPodcast Join our Facebook group to join in the discussion with other fans! https://www.facebook.com/groups/edenexodus Join our subreddit! Reddit.com/r/EdenExodus Bluesky: @leavingedenpodcast.bsky.social @hellyeahsadie.bsky.social @gavihacohen.bsky.social Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/leavingedenpodcast/ https://www.instagram.com/sadiecarpentermusic/ https://www.instagram.com/gavrielhacohen/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode, we discuss Josh Duggar's attempt to vacate his conviction and secure a new trial based on the theory that Caleb William was the guilty party in his crime. We discuss his issues with filing deadlines, as well as how quickly Josh's sentence has gone by. We also discuss the statement released by the Caldwell Family regarding Joe Duggar's alleged crimes, what this says about their current situation and their relationship with Kendra. Sadie also talks about Pete Hegseth and the Pulp Fiction fake bible quote. The Patreon extended version of this episode includes Sadie recording a parody of the 2014 Michelle Duggar robocall in which Michelle Duggar fearmongered about trans people in bathrooms. Sources for this episode are on this Patreon post (The text of this post is NOT paywalled) https://www.patreon.com/posts/156103157 00:00 - Intro: 04:16 - A correction and a clarification 07:05 - WE DO NOT SPECULATE OR IDENTIFY THE VICTIM 15:27 - Josh Duggar is trying to get out of prison (AGAIN) 23:58 - Prison Mailbox rule 29:35 - The timing is impeccable and Jack Schaap 34:09 - Josh's sentence is FLYING by 38:14 - Pete Hegseth and the Pulp Fiction "Bible" Quote 46:56 - Caldwell Family Statement Subscribe to Leaving Eden Podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ4q94gAnsoW2jME4SvVrrQ Join our Patreon for extended, uncensored, and ad-free versions of most of our episodes, as well as other patron perks and bonus content! https://www.patreon.com/LeavingEdenPodcast Join our Facebook group to join in the discussion with other fans! https://www.facebook.com/groups/edenexodus Join our subreddit! Reddit.com/r/EdenExodus Bluesky: @leavingedenpodcast.bsky.social @hellyeahsadie.bsky.social @gavihacohen.bsky.social Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/leavingedenpodcast/ https://www.instagram.com/sadiecarpentermusic/ https://www.instagram.com/gavrielhacohen/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode, we discuss Christian beliefs around taxation, as well as why some fundamentalist Christians like Kent Hovind have opted for a sovereign citizen defense. At the end of the episode, we discuss the creative ways that Jim Bob Duggar has avoided taxation by passing his tax burden off onto his children. Source images are located on this Patreon post (the sources are not paywalled) https://www.patreon.com/posts/are-christians-155188116 00:00 - Intro 02:00 - Intro 03:43 - Tax season 04:31 - Kent Hovind, Dinosaur Adventure Land, Structuring 08:34 - Render Unto Caesar 12:05 - Romans 13 and historical context 16:39 - Sovereign citizenship 20:00 - The 14th Amendment 23:14 - Suing the IRS 25:46 - Convicted! 29:50 - Jim Bob Duggar 32:24 - The clobber verses vs. financial ethics 34:04 - Magical Thinking 37:15 - Gavi's Flow Chart Subscribe to Leaving Eden Podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ4q94gAnsoW2jME4SvVrrQ Join our Patreon for extended, uncensored, and ad-free versions of most of our episodes, as well as other patron perks and bonus content! https://www.patreon.com/LeavingEdenPodcast Join our Facebook group to join in the discussion with other fans! https://www.facebook.com/groups/edenexodus Join our subreddit! Reddit.com/r/EdenExodus Bluesky: @leavingedenpodcast.bsky.social @hellyeahsadie.bsky.social @gavihacohen.bsky.social Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/leavingedenpodcast/ https://www.instagram.com/sadiecarpentermusic/ https://www.instagram.com/gavrielhacohen/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode, Gavi proves how much he has learned about fundie culture by showing Sadie his INSPIRED AND PRESERVED translation from Fundie/Christian-ese to plain English of the Duggar Jail Emails that were obtained by Lilly Archive using the FOIA. Sadie then provides additional cultural context as well as a few things from these emails that stood out to her. In the extended Patreon edition of this episode, we discuss Amy Duggar King's April Fools Day post in which she joked about interviewing Bill Gothard. Sources, images, and additional material are located here (Yes it is a link to Patreon, but these things are not behind a paywall) https://www.patreon.com/posts/duggar-family-on-154932362/edit?postId=duggar-family-on-154932362 SPECULATING ON THE IDENTITY OF JOE DUGGAR'S VICTIM IS COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE. 00:00 - Intro 01:45 - Sadie was raised Fundie, Gavi was NOT! 03:39 - What do people miss? 05:56 - "Bless Your Heart" 07:50 - "I Love You and Jesus Loves You" 13:04 - The Letter from Austin Forsyth 18:33 - Gavi's Translation of Austin's letter 20:48 - Thank You to our Patrons! 22:22 - Josh Duggar's Jail Emails 26:13 - Chariots of Fire 27:37 - Josh is the Prodigal son 30:07 - Gavi's Translation of the Josh Letter 32:22 - Jim Bob is delusional 35:15 - Jim Bob's letter to Joe 38:27 - King David 40:29 - THE PUN 44:56 - God's Plan for Joe 47:34 - Gavi's Translation of Jim Bob's letter to Joe 50:18 - It will happen again 52:42 - Josh/Anna/John David Letters 56:13 - Will there be a trial? Joe Duggar's Lawyer Subscribe to Leaving Eden Podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ4q94gAnsoW2jME4SvVrrQ Join our Patreon for extended, uncensored, and ad-free versions of most of our episodes, as well as other patron perks and bonus content! https://www.patreon.com/LeavingEdenPodcast Join our Facebook group to join in the discussion with other fans! https://www.facebook.com/groups/edenexodus Join our subreddit! Reddit.com/r/EdenExodus Bluesky: @leavingedenpodcast.bsky.social @hellyeahsadie.bsky.social @gavihacohen.bsky.social Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/leavingedenpodcast/ https://www.instagram.com/sadiecarpentermusic/ https://www.instagram.com/gavrielhacohen/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode, we discuss the GoFundMe that Paul Caldwell (Kendra Duggar's father) posted which has since been deleted. All of the sources for this episode are located here, on this post on Patreon https://www.patreon.com/posts/caldwells-vs-for-154830204 00:00 - Intro 04:12 - Disclaimers 05:13 - The Caldwells' latest moves 08:00 - GoFundMe taken down 08:35 - We have so many questions 10:55 - The Caldwells are not IBLP 12:41 - Sadie's connection with the Caldwells 14:49 - Thank you to our patrons! 16:18 - The Caldwells live in Joe and Kendra's house? 18:08 - The Jailhouse call 18:38 - Why do they need the house back? 20:01 - The no contact orders are REAL 21:00 - Kicking people out of houses 21:29 - SAFE housing? 23:06 - What do you need legal fees for? 24:06 - Quitclaim Deeds 25:58 - the D word? 27:06 - Is divorce allowed in the fundie world? 31:26 - You never know what is going on in these families 34:41 - Jim Bob is controlling 36:56 - Do any of these motivations make sense? 38:41 - IFB vs. IBLP 45:57 - Which scenario do you think is most likely? Subscribe to Leaving Eden Podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ4q94gAnsoW2jME4SvVrrQ Join our Patreon for extended, uncensored, and ad-free versions of most of our episodes, as well as other patron perks and bonus content! https://www.patreon.com/LeavingEdenPodcast Join our Facebook group to join in the discussion with other fans! https://www.facebook.com/groups/edenexodus Join our subreddit! Reddit.com/r/EdenExodus Bluesky: @leavingedenpodcast.bsky.social @hellyeahsadie.bsky.social @gavihacohen.bsky.social Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/leavingedenpodcast/ https://www.instagram.com/sadiecarpentermusic/ https://www.instagram.com/gavrielhacohen/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Today we discuss the latest developments in the Joe Duggar case. Duggar has pleaded Not Guilty to all charges in Florida, has been released on a $600,000 bond, and (we think) is back in Arkansas. YouTuber Lily Archive has released numerous phone calls as well as emails sent to Joe Duggar while he was in jail in Arkansas. She obtained this material using a FOIA request (she has shown provenance). These are extremely telling. We give our impressions on this material, especially focused on the emails. Lily Archive's FOIA request documentation https://www.reddit.com/r/DuggarsSnark/comments/1sag5mu/proof_of_joes_jail_emails_i_got_via_foia_request/ Junior_Wolf9331's pictures of Jim Bob and Joe at the airport https://www.reddit.com/r/DuggarsSnark/comments/1s9261f/jim_bob_joseph_at_panama_city_fl_airport/ UPDATE: Between the time of filming and release of this episode, Washington County District Court sent me the documents that were published by Katie Joy as well as others, and they are the same documents, they are real. 00:00 - Intro 04:23 - DISCLAIMERS (We might be wrong) 05:29 - Joe Duggar pleads NOT GUILTY and is out on bond 08:06 - Will there be a trial? 09:30 - What will the defense strategy be? 11:45 - Jim Bob/Michelle Duggar statement 12:30 - Josh Duggar vs. Joe Duggar favoritism 13:45 - Getting the confession excluded 17:08 - Thank you to our patrons! 18:36 - The Phone Calls/Lily Archive 24:40 - The Emails 24:50 - Jim Bob's Email 26:55 - King David and Joseph 32:27 - Josh is the smartest Duggar? 35:21 - Austin Forsyth's email 37:52 - Anna Duggar's email 40:45 - It's all coming apart Subscribe to Leaving Eden Podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ4q94gAnsoW2jME4SvVrrQ Join our Patreon for extended, uncensored, and ad-free versions of most of our episodes, as well as other patron perks and bonus content! https://www.patreon.com/LeavingEdenPodcast Join our Facebook group to join in the discussion with other fans! https://www.facebook.com/groups/edenexodus Join our subreddit! Reddit.com/r/EdenExodus Bluesky: @leavingedenpodcast.bsky.social @hellyeahsadie.bsky.social @gavihacohen.bsky.social Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/leavingedenpodcast/ https://www.instagram.com/sadiecarpentermusic/ https://www.instagram.com/gavrielhacohen/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Shiny Happy People star Chad Harris joins us on this episode to discuss the latest developments in the Joe/Kendra Duggar cases. We discuss the potentially fake documents published by Katie Joy of the YouTube Channel "Without a Crystal Ball," the Joe/Kendra Duggar phone call, statements made by Jinger/Jeremy, and Jason/Maddie. In the third segment we answer listener questions about the arrests, about the Duggars, and about the IBLP in general. These are the two appeals to loss of parental rights cases we mentioned in the episode. https://law.justia.com/cases/arkansas/court-of-appeals/2025/cv-24-747.html https://law.justia.com/cases/arkansas/court-of-appeals/2025/cv-25-38.html 00:00 - Intro 01:44 - Subscribe to our Patreon! 02:20 - NO VICTIM SPECULATION 02:45 - Katie Joy and the fake(?) court documents 04:50 - What is a trusted source? 08:04 - Josh got visitation with his kids 11:02 - Thank you to our patrons! 12:48 - Statement from Jinger and Jeremy 15:40 - Statement from Jason and Maddie 19:50 - IBLP fails young men 22:00 - Phone call between Joe and Kendra 24:58 - Kendra is in a difficult spot 29:25 - Every home is a cult and every father is a cult leader 30:23 - Why do we talk about this? The stakes are high! 34:53 - Listener Questions! 35:17 - 6th amendment rights 37:35 - Why did Jim Bob want to be on TV? 40:47 - Child Endangerment Clarification 45:08 - What if the Duggars were allowed to date? 47:29 - Gothardism and Jim Bob's trauma 53:54 - Why are all the Duggar daughters social media influencers? 55:35 - Did Jim Bob and Michelle reconsider their choices? 55:58 - Why do the women stay? 57:50 - How to bring down the IBLP Subscribe to Leaving Eden Podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ4q94gAnsoW2jME4SvVrrQ Join our Patreon for extended, uncensored, and ad-free versions of most of our episodes, as well as other patron perks and bonus content! https://www.patreon.com/LeavingEdenPodcast Join our Facebook group to join in the discussion with other fans! https://www.facebook.com/groups/edenexodus Join our subreddit! Reddit.com/r/EdenExodus Bluesky: @leavingedenpodcast.bsky.social @hellyeahsadie.bsky.social @gavihacohen.bsky.social Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/leavingedenpodcast/ https://www.instagram.com/sadiecarpentermusic/ https://www.instagram.com/gavrielhacohen/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode, we discuss the continuing fallout from Joseph Duggar's arrest for child molestation, including Kendra Duggar's Child Endangerment/False Imprisonment charges, our breakdown of these charges, family statements made by/on behalf of Duggar family members, and our speculation on whether or not this case will go to trial. In the extended patreon edition, we discuss in greater detail our impressions of Amy Duggar after our (limited) interactions with her when she was a guest on our show while promoting her book. CW for discussion of CSA and CSAM AT NO POINT will we be speculating on the identity of the victim. 02:00 - Kendra Duggar Arrested! 02:52 - Please subscribe and join our Patreon! 04:28 - Tonitown police file charges 06:45 - What "Unrelated" means 07:40 - WE ARE NOT LAWYERS 07:55 - Endangering the Welfare of a Minor 10:05 - New Information about Joe's Confession 11:40 - Our Original Theory 12:22 - Locks on the doors? 13:40 - Unsecured Firearms 14:40 - False Imprisonment 14:50 - Jason does not use power tools safely 16:30 - IBLP and Cult of Personality 16:50 - Magical Thinking 17:35 - How serious are Kendra's charges? 24:44 - Thank you to our Patrons! 26:19 - Jill and Derick Dillard's statement 29:48 - Jessa and Ben Seewald's Statement 30:22 - Amy Duggar King's Statement 31:41 - Amy's book plug 35:40 - Access and Accountability 37:59 - People who deconstruct and stay Christian 40:40 - Josh Duggar's Statement 46:03 - Joseph Duggar's Phone Call 47:20 - Jim Bob is running everything 48:44 - Will there be a trial? 49:04 - Can you imagine being Michelle Duggar? 51:17 - No statement from Jim Bob and Michelle 52:27 - We hope the victim's name never comes out 54:55 - Megyn Kelly is not a real journalist 55:57 - We hope the stories of survivors continue to be taken seriously 57:29 - Should Christians pay taxes? 55:29 - Should Christians pay taxes? Subscribe to Leaving Eden Podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ4q94gAnsoW2jME4SvVrrQ Join our Patreon for extended, uncensored, and ad-free versions of most of our episodes, as well as other patron perks and bonus content! https://www.patreon.com/LeavingEdenPodcast Join our Facebook group to join in the discussion with other fans! https://www.facebook.com/groups/edenexodus Join our subreddit! Reddit.com/r/EdenExodus Bluesky: @leavingedenpodcast.bsky.social @hellyeahsadie.bsky.social @gavihacohen.bsky.social Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/leavingedenpodcast/ https://www.instagram.com/sadiecarpentermusic/ https://www.instagram.com/gavrielhacohen/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

n this special episode, we discuss the charges filed against former 19 Kids and Counting/Counting On star Joseph Duggar. Duggar is accused of committing Lewd and Lascivious Behavior, involving unlawful sexual activity with a minor. He has been taken into custody. The alleged molestation occurred some time in 2020. In this episode we discuss everything that we currently know, everything we don't know, the circumstances of the abuse, and then we answer listener questions. This episode contains discussions of child sexual abuse as well as discussion of Joseph's brother Josh's 2021 trial and conviction for possession of CSAM. This episode is not appropriate for children. Nowhere in this episode do we speculate about the identity of the victim, and we will not allow comments that do. Facebook post from Bay County Sheriff's Office https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1EoDDDy9qY/ Reddit post with pictures of Joe and Kendra at Panama City Beach dated to October 11 https://www.reddit.com/r/DuggarsSnark/comments/1rxk6ty/my_parents_2020_beach_vacation/ Oxford University article about genetic predisposition to being an abuser https://www.psych.ox.ac.uk/news/sex-offending-genes-more-important-than-family-environment 02:00 - Joe Duggar has been arrested 02:54 - Welcome to our show 03:10 - CW for CSA and CSAM discussion 04:20 - Consider joining our Patreon! 05:00 - BCSO Facebook Post 06:50 - Poor Kendra 07:53 - What is Joe charged with? 08:36 - What is a Life Felony? 09:46 - Joe's Apology 11:35 - Purity Pledge 12:34 - Will there be a trial? 17:48 - Thank you to our Patrons! 19:17 - What is the timeline? 20:04 - Raid on the Duggar car lot 20:45 - Counting the Cost by Jill Duggar Dillard 22:26 - Holy Disruptor by Amy Duggar King 24:20 - Jim Bob lied to the family 24:55 - Reddit Pictures on the beach 25:30 - Who was in Panama City Beach? 27:40 - Apologies to the victim's father? 28:15 - Homeland Security and US Marshals 31:27 - Kendra was pregnant 31:50 - Why did Joe Apologize? 32:50 - You are your father's property 34:20 - Did Kendra know? 35:12 - Will Kendra stay or go? 35:30 - Sadie's angry rant 37:43 - Question 1: Have we seen signs from Joe? Joe/Kendra age gap 38:54 - Sadie attended the wedding of a child bride 41:15 - Question 2: How does this keep happening in this family? 42:46 - Women are property, like livestock 44:50 - Limiting access and adding accountability prevents abuse 47:07 - Question 3: We know nothing about the victim or their family 48:11 - Question 4: Did this follow the same pattern as Josh's cover-up? 49:40 - Questions 5 and 6, Social media and Can Kendra Leave because Joe admitted his crime? 52:01 - Question 7: Purity Culture 52:42 - Question 8: Will this change fundie culture? 54:14 - Question 9: Genetics and Grandpa Duggar 55:35 - If there is a trial we will cover it! Subscribe to Leaving Eden Podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ4q94gAnsoW2jME4SvVrrQ Join our Patreon for extended, uncensored, and ad-free versions of most of our episodes, as well as other patron perks and bonus content! https://www.patreon.com/LeavingEdenPodcast Join our Facebook group to join in the discussion with other fans! https://www.facebook.com/groups/edenexodus Join our subreddit! Reddit.com/r/EdenExodus Bluesky: @leavingedenpodcast.bsky.social @hellyeahsadie.bsky.social @gavihacohen.bsky.social Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/leavingedenpodcast/ https://www.instagram.com/sadiecarpentermusic/ https://www.instagram.com/gavrielhacohen/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In today's episode, Sadie tells us all about Hyles-Anderson College, the fundamentalist cult bible college that she enrolled in as an 18-year-old. We discuss the reason why a cult would want to have a college, the history of the school, what gets taught in classes at Hyles-Anderson, the school rules, and the predatory financial programs the school uses to keep students from dropping out or leaving. 02:00 - What do they teach you at cult college? 02:30 - Marriage and Motherhood degree 02:52 - Join the Patreon for all of the bonus content! 03:36 - Why do cults need a college? 04:30 - Hyles-Anderson College 04:53 - Listen to Sadie's interview on Preacher Boys Podcast with Eric Skwarczynski 05:05 - Jack Hyles 05:25 - Russell Anderson 05:55 - Other Christian Colleges were TOO SOFT 06:05 - Fundamentalism youth pipeline 06:50 - Boot Camp for Christian workers 08:15 - Business model of Hyles-Anderson College 10:00 - The IFB connection to the unjustified killing of Breonna Taylor 10:15 - HAC is unaccredited 15:47 - Thank you to all of our patrons! 17:12 - What is in the curriculum? 17:40 - YOUR BODY IS NOT YOUR OWN BY JOBETH HOOKER 21:40 - Scum Manifesto 22:20 - Christian Womanhood 23:12 - Preparation for Marriage Class 23:40 - David and Jonathan 24:20 - Give your husband a standing ovation when he comes home or he will cheat on you with his secretary 26:54 - Other classes at cult college 27:30 - HAC is basically Sea Org/Scientology 28:40 - Bible Class 30:13 - Steven Anderson and the NIFB 32:45 - The rules of cult college 34:35 - Dress Code 38:40 - Demerit system 38:55 - Tiered justice system and nepotism 39:40 - Sadie almost got expelled! 41:40 - How are the rules enforced? 42:10 - The Jericho Plan 42:55 - This scheme is probably illegal 43:50 - The Bait and Switch Subscribe to Leaving Eden Podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ4q94gAnsoW2jME4SvVrrQ Join our Patreon for extended, uncensored, and ad-free versions of most of our episodes, as well as other patron perks and bonus content! https://www.patreon.com/LeavingEdenPodcast Join our Facebook group to join in the discussion with other fans! https://www.facebook.com/groups/edenexodus Join our subreddit! Reddit.com/r/EdenExodus Bluesky: @leavingedenpodcast.bsky.social @hellyeahsadie.bsky.social @gavihacohen.bsky.social Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/leavingedenpodcast/ https://www.instagram.com/sadiecarpentermusic/ https://www.instagram.com/gavrielhacohen/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Sadie takes us through the five categories of Crazy Fundie Rules, and how these rules affect your life when you are trying to live by them. Some of them have biblical justifications, some of them are completely made up by some pastor somewhere and ended up being widely adopted. Fundie pastors use these rules as a way to physically and psychologically control church members, and they can be quite draconian. What are the most arbitrary rules that your church had growing up? Let us know in the comments! 02:00 - Is it a sin to walk down the beer aisle in the grocery store? 02:23 - Proverbs 23:31 02:40 - Genesis 3:1-3 03:07 - Crazy Fundie Rules 03:52 - Join our Patreon! 04:37 - The 5 Categories 05:40 - Category 1 05:50 - Prohibition on Tattoos 06:55 - Carl Lentz 07:12 - Pete Hegseth 07:22 - Jewish law vs. Christian Interpretation 10:30 - Joyce Meyer's tattoo 11:47 - Thank you to our patrons! 14:13 - Deuteronomy 22:5 16:45 - Deadmau5 and the Ferrari 17:02 - Why the Duggar Daughters didn't wear pants 18:15 - Coulottes vs. JNCO Jeans 19:59 - Jealousy is a sin, wanting to do a sin is a sin 21:30 - Fundie Women find a way to rebel 24:00 - Visibly religious people get harassed the most! 26:11 - Category 2 26:31 - Being suspected of sinning is a sin 27:04 - Jack Schaap's crimes 28:27 - Going to the movies is a sin 29:01 - Bee Movie and There Will Be Blood were in the movie theater at the same time 30:14 - Walking down the beer aisle is a sin 30:49 - Category 3 32:30 - Going to Six Flags is a sin 34:17 - Category 4 34:36 - Doing anything that you want to do is a sin 35:00 - Teen Soulwinning is the worst 36:00 - Holy Guilt Trip Batman 36:43 - Wanting a snickers bar is a sin 37:45 - Great Britain is full of heathens 39:00 - Wanting a pretty wife is a sin 40:00 - It is a sin to not be miserable 40:40 - Category 5 41:00 - Hosiery Subscribe to Leaving Eden Podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ4q94gAnsoW2jME4SvVrrQ Join our Patreon for extended, uncensored, and ad-free versions of most of our episodes, as well as other patron perks and bonus content! https://www.patreon.com/LeavingEdenPodcast Join our Facebook group to join in the discussion with other fans! https://www.facebook.com/groups/edenexodus Join our subreddit! Reddit.com/r/EdenExodus Bluesky: @leavingedenpodcast.bsky.social @hellyeahsadie.bsky.social @gavihacohen.bsky.social Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/leavingedenpodcast/ https://www.instagram.com/sadiecarpentermusic/ https://www.instagram.com/gavrielhacohen/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Today, Gavi FINALLY gets to talk about his favorite topic, Jean Beaudrillard's "Simulacra and Simulation," which explains Hyperreality. "The Matrix" film is allegorical to the postmodern condition of Hyperreality. We discuss examples of simulacra, Hyperreality, and the history of how we (in the western canon) came to view the world this way. We discuss simulated reality as it relates to christian fundamentalism and the US. If you have any thoughts, opinions, or questions about this topic (or corrections) please let us know either by comment or by emailing us at LeavingEdenPod@gmail.com! We would love to do a listener responses episdoe! 02:00 - Intro 02:20 - Black Mirror San Junipero 03:15 - The Matrix 03:30 - Elon Musk 03:48 - Mark Zuckerberg and the Metaverse 04:10 - Please subscribe to our Patreon! 04:40 - Media Theory and Philosophy 05:17 - I'm sorry for mixing up SimulaCRA and SimulaCRUM 05:47 - Jean Baudrillard's "Hyperreality" 06:04 - Simulacra and Simulation 07:10 - First Order Simulacrum 07:40 - Second Order Simulacrum 07:55 - Third Order Simulacrum, Hyperreality 08:29 - Fourth Order Simulacrum, or Pure Simulation 08:50 - Alexander Hamilton to Scamilton is Hyperreality 11:07 - Christian Nationalism and Hyperreality 12:54 - Hyperreality and Pure Simulation are curated reality 13:30 - Did Sadie grow up in a simulation? 13:50 - Kim Kardashian's butt broke the internet 14:54 - The 6 7 meme is proof that we are living in a simulation 15:30 - Doot Doot 6 7 by Skrilla 15:50 - Lamello Ball 16:00 - The 6 7 kid is Hyperreality and the meme is pure simulation 17:19 - Brainrot is hyperreality 18:50 - Thank you to our patrons! 20:17 - The Civil War and the birth of Modernism 21:50 - Modernist themes, truth comes from struggle and effort 22:17 - Upton Sinclair, The Jungle 22:30 - John Steinbeck, The Grapes of Wrath 22:50 - Gone With the Wind 24:00 - Little Women 24:34 - The Civil War, Transcendentalism, Naturalism 25:05 - The birth of postmodernism 25:15 - Dada art movement (dadaism) 25:26 - Anything can be a source of truth 25:30 - The gifts of postmodernism, Civil rights, LGBT rights, Women's Lib movement 25:55 - World War 2 and the nuclear age 27:10 - Love is Blind, Kobe Bryant, Fresh off the Boat, Scottish Independence referendum 28:45 - Absurdism, Memes, and Breadtube Spongebob 29:04 - The drawbacks of postmodernism 30:00 - Hyperreality, 9/11 31:22 - Loss of sense of self 32:04 - Michael Jackson, Prince, Robin Williams, George Carlin, Jesus, AI Deepfakes 32:35 - Leonard Cohen 32:50 - Bag Culture, Taylor Swift, Travis Kelce, Jason Kelce, Commercials 34:35 - Prince Harry and Meghan Markle 36:28 - Please email us! 37:01 - Our current state of Hyperreality 37:31 - Doctors vs. Anti-Vaxxers and influencers 37:41 - Teachers vs. Homeschoolers 38:07 - Doomerism 38:17 - It's going to be OK? 38:38 - The early church 38:50 - Jesus was a guy (probably?) 39:11 - The Disciples (first order Simulacrum) 39:22 - The Council of Nicaea (Second order Simulacrum) 39:40 - Church Tradition (Third Order Simulacra, or Hyperreality) 40:10 - Culture War/Kid Rock Turning Point USA halftime show 40:45 - Growing up in a cult vs. growing up in a simulation 41:04 - Destruction of the 2nd Temple happened, Revelation is a first order simulacrum 41:35 - Millerism, Adventism, Premillennial Pretribulationism are second order simulacra 41:45 - Protocols of the elders of Zion, A Thief in the Night, and Left Behind are all third order simulacra or Hyperreality 42:12 - The Holocaust, McCarthyism and the Red Scare, Satanic Panic, Q Anon, January 6, 2025 Rapture Hoax, are mass delusion brought on by pure simulation 44:20 - Hyperreality peaked in 2020 44:45 - The end of COVID-19 and the rise of AI 45:04 - What is coming next? 45:45 - AI CEOs are grifters 46:32 - Minor League Baseball 47:10 - 2020, Social Unrest, George Floyd protests, Anti-Mask/Vaxx 48:14 - Transcendentalism, Naturalism, humanity's...

In this episode, Sadie takes us through two different theories of truth, and what it means for a statement to be true or not true. 00:00 - Intro 00:47 - Patreon.Com/LeavingEdenPodcast is where the bonus content is! 01:30 - Is a hot dog a sandwich? 01:50 - We support trans people 02:05 - What is a post-truth society? 02:20 - Authoritarian populists like Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin 03:00 - Postmodernism 03:44 - The Philosophical Definition 04:39 - What is a woman? 05:00 - Caitlyn Jenner 05:30 - The correspondence theory of truth 06:45 - The coherence theory of truth 08:30 - Thank you to our wonderful patrons! 10:00 - Truth conforms to the entire ecosystem of other things that are true 10:10 - What is a sandwich? 10:54 - Matt Walsh argues in bad faith 12:45 - Bioessentialist transphobia does not hold up to scrutiny 13:22 - The King James Bible 15:15 - Hateful comments on social media 16:10 - The Bible is true because the bible says that the bible is true 16:20 - Cult control tactics and brainwashing 19:30 - Atheism vs. Religion debate 20:00 - Is personal experience evidence? 20:55 - Realism and Anti-Realism 22:22 - anti-realism 23:58 - Big questions 24:38 - Color theory 25:18 - Berlin and Kay's theory of Basic Color Terms 26:58 - WHAT COLOR IS SADIE'S HAIR? 28:27 - Sadie is the proof 30:03 - John Calvin profile pic 30:53 - Sadie once had a man 31:08 - Capitalism is the root of all christian misogyny (not actually) 33:38 - What is proof? 36:04 - Are we living in a simulation? Subscribe to Leaving Eden Podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ4q94gAnsoW2jME4SvVrrQ Join our Patreon for extended, uncensored, and ad-free versions of most of our episodes, as well as other patron perks and bonus content! https://www.patreon.com/LeavingEdenPodcast Join our Facebook group to join in the discussion with other fans! https://www.facebook.com/groups/edenexodus Join our subreddit! Reddit.com/r/EdenExodus Bluesky: @leavingedenpodcast.bsky.social @hellyeahsadie.bsky.social @gavihacohen.bsky.social Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/leavingedenpodcast/ https://www.instagram.com/sadiecarpentermusic/ https://www.instagram.com/gavrielhacohen/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode, Sadie takes us through the bizarre reasoning behind Fundamentalism's stipulation that the King James version is NOT ONLY the "best" version of the bible in English, but that it is actually not a translation, but God's own words, just as valid as the original texts in Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic. We also discuss how this belief leads to other fundie beliefs like quiverfull, and women wearing only skirts and no pants. Support the show by going to Patreon.Com/LeavingEdenPodcast! Join our discord server! https://discord.gg/aneFkUJu Join our subreddit! Reddit.com/r/EdenExodus Bluesky: @leavingedenpodcast.bsky.social @hellyeahsadie.bsky.social @gavihacohen.bsky.social TikTok: @LeavingEdenPodcast @SadieCarpenter1 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/leavingedenpodcast/ https://www.instagram.com/sadiecarpentermusic/ https://www.instagram.com/gavrielhacohen/ Subscribe to Leaving Eden Podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ4q94gAnsoW2jME4SvVrrQ Join our Patreon for extended, uncensored, and ad-free versions of most of our episodes, as well as other patron perks and bonus content! https://www.patreon.com/LeavingEdenPodcast Join our Facebook group to join in the discussion with other fans! https://www.facebook.com/groups/edenexodus Join our subreddit! Reddit.com/r/EdenExodus Bluesky: @leavingedenpodcast.bsky.social @hellyeahsadie.bsky.social @gavihacohen.bsky.social Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/leavingedenpodcast/ https://www.instagram.com/sadiecarpentermusic/ https://www.instagram.com/gavrielhacohen/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode, we review "Dating With a Purpose," which is an IFB purity culture dating manual targeted at teens and young adults in the IFB and at Hyles-Anderson college. It was written by Jack Schaap, who later went to prison for sexually abusing a child who was a student at the high school where he was chaplain. We also discuss Dr. James Dobson of Focus on the Family's appearance in the Epstein files, and why abusers love purity culture so much. Support the show by going to Patreon.Com/LeavingEdenPodcast! Join our discord server! https://discord.gg/aneFkUJu Join our subreddit! Reddit.com/r/EdenExodus Bluesky: @leavingedenpodcast.bsky.social @hellyeahsadie.bsky.social @gavihacohen.bsky.social TikTok: @LeavingEdenPodcast @SadieCarpenter1 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/leavingedenpodcast/ https://www.instagram.com/sadiecarpentermusic/ https://www.instagram.com/gavrielhacohen/ Subscribe to Leaving Eden Podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ4q94gAnsoW2jME4SvVrrQ Join our Patreon for extended, uncensored, and ad-free versions of most of our episodes, as well as other patron perks and bonus content! https://www.patreon.com/LeavingEdenPodcast Join our Facebook group to join in the discussion with other fans! https://www.facebook.com/groups/edenexodus Join our subreddit! Reddit.com/r/EdenExodus Bluesky: @leavingedenpodcast.bsky.social @hellyeahsadie.bsky.social @gavihacohen.bsky.social Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/leavingedenpodcast/ https://www.instagram.com/sadiecarpentermusic/ https://www.instagram.com/gavrielhacohen/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Sadie Carpenter tells us all about Soul Winning, the IFB practice of knocking on doors in order to witness to people and to get them to join your church. She tells us stories of trapping kids in the McDonald's PlayPlace, getting guns pulled on her, and we read through a soulwinning textbook that teaches how to witness to a Jewish person! We hope you enjoy! Support the show by going to Patreon.Com/LeavingEdenPodcast! Join our discord server! https://discord.gg/aneFkUJu Join our subreddit! Reddit.com/r/EdenExodus Bluesky: @leavingedenpodcast.bsky.social @hellyeahsadie.bsky.social @gavihacohen.bsky.social TikTok: @LeavingEdenPodcast @SadieCarpenter1 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/leavingedenpodcast/ https://www.instagram.com/sadiecarpentermusic/ https://www.instagram.com/gavrielhacohen/ Subscribe to Leaving Eden Podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ4q94gAnsoW2jME4SvVrrQ Join our Patreon for extended, uncensored, and ad-free versions of most of our episodes, as well as other patron perks and bonus content! https://www.patreon.com/LeavingEdenPodcast Join our Facebook group to join in the discussion with other fans! https://www.facebook.com/groups/edenexodus Join our subreddit! Reddit.com/r/EdenExodus Bluesky: @leavingedenpodcast.bsky.social @hellyeahsadie.bsky.social @gavihacohen.bsky.social Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/leavingedenpodcast/ https://www.instagram.com/sadiecarpentermusic/ https://www.instagram.com/gavrielhacohen/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode, we discuss what the early church actually was, and how Christianity was formed as much by Paul as it was by Jesus. Citations for claims about the authorship of the bible: www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/people-cultures-in-the-bible/people-in-the-bible/the-quest-for-the-historical-paul/Join our discord server! https://discord.gg/aneFkUJu Join our subreddit! Reddit.com/r/EdenExodus Bluesky: @leavingedenpodcast.bsky.social @hellyeahsadie.bsky.social @gavihacohen.bsky.social Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/leavingedenpodcast/ https://www.instagram.com/sadiecarpentermusic/ https://www.instagram.com/gavrielhacohen/ Subscribe to Leaving Eden Podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ4q94gAnsoW2jME4SvVrrQ Join our Patreon for extended, uncensored, and ad-free versions of most of our episodes, as well as other patron perks and bonus content! https://www.patreon.com/LeavingEdenPodcast Join our Facebook group to join in the discussion with other fans! https://www.facebook.com/groups/edenexodus Join our subreddit! Reddit.com/r/EdenExodus Bluesky: @leavingedenpodcast.bsky.social @hellyeahsadie.bsky.social @gavihacohen.bsky.social Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/leavingedenpodcast/ https://www.instagram.com/sadiecarpentermusic/ https://www.instagram.com/gavrielhacohen/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode we discuss the history of (small f) fundamentalism and how it became (capital F) Fundamentalism that we see today. Subscribe to our YouTube Channel! https://www.youtube.com/@leaving_eden Join our discord server! https://discord.gg/aneFkUJu Join our subreddit! Reddit.com/r/EdenExodus Bluesky: @leavingedenpodcast.bsky.social @hellyeahsadie.bsky.social @gavihacohen.bsky.social Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/leavingedenpodcast/ https://www.instagram.com/sadiecarpentermusic/ https://www.instagram.com/gavrielhacohen/ Subscribe to Leaving Eden Podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ4q94gAnsoW2jME4SvVrrQ Join our Patreon for extended, uncensored, and ad-free versions of most of our episodes, as well as other patron perks and bonus content! https://www.patreon.com/LeavingEdenPodcast Join our Facebook group to join in the discussion with other fans! https://www.facebook.com/groups/edenexodus Join our subreddit! Reddit.com/r/EdenExodus Bluesky: @leavingedenpodcast.bsky.social @hellyeahsadie.bsky.social @gavihacohen.bsky.social Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/leavingedenpodcast/ https://www.instagram.com/sadiecarpentermusic/ https://www.instagram.com/gavrielhacohen/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this reintroduction episode, we discuss how cults work with examples from Sadie's life. Subscribe to our YouTube Channel! https://www.youtube.com/@leaving_eden Join our discord server! https://discord.gg/aneFkUJu Join our subreddit! Reddit.com/r/EdenExodus Bluesky: @leavingedenpodcast.bsky.social @hellyeahsadie.bsky.social @gavihacohen.bsky.social Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/leavingedenpodcast/ https://www.instagram.com/sadiecarpentermusic/ https://www.instagram.com/gavrielhacohen/ Subscribe to Leaving Eden Podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ4q94gAnsoW2jME4SvVrrQ Join our Patreon for extended, uncensored, and ad-free versions of most of our episodes, as well as other patron perks and bonus content! https://www.patreon.com/LeavingEdenPodcast Join our Facebook group to join in the discussion with other fans! https://www.facebook.com/groups/edenexodus Join our subreddit! Reddit.com/r/EdenExodus Bluesky: @leavingedenpodcast.bsky.social @hellyeahsadie.bsky.social @gavihacohen.bsky.social Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/leavingedenpodcast/ https://www.instagram.com/sadiecarpentermusic/ https://www.instagram.com/gavrielhacohen/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In Part 3 of our series on Mary Cosby, we discuss the theological reasons why people believe that she is god. We discuss the direct link between Mary Cosby and Jim Jones. We also discuss the sketchiness surrounding the businesses owned by her and her church, the church's organization, and how its hard turn into a coercive cult was inevitable. Subscribe to our YouTube Channel! https://www.youtube.com/@leaving_eden Join our discord server! https://discord.gg/aneFkUJu Join our subreddit! Reddit.com/r/EdenExodus Bluesky: @leavingedenpodcast.bsky.social @hellyeahsadie.bsky.social @gavihacohen.bsky.social Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/leavingedenpodcast/ https://www.instagram.com/sadiecarpentermusic/ https://www.instagram.com/gavrielhacohen/ Subscribe to Leaving Eden Podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ4q94gAnsoW2jME4SvVrrQ Join our Patreon for extended, uncensored, and ad-free versions of most of our episodes, as well as other patron perks and bonus content! https://www.patreon.com/LeavingEdenPodcast Join our Facebook group to join in the discussion with other fans! https://www.facebook.com/groups/edenexodus Join our subreddit! Reddit.com/r/EdenExodus Bluesky: @leavingedenpodcast.bsky.social @hellyeahsadie.bsky.social @gavihacohen.bsky.social Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/leavingedenpodcast/ https://www.instagram.com/sadiecarpentermusic/ https://www.instagram.com/gavrielhacohen/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.