Riffs on Riffs

When Daniel Caesar quietly dropped his album "Son of Spergy", most of the world didn’t see it coming. In this episode Joe and Toby dive deep into Caesar’s lead single “Call On Me,” uncovering the soulful layers, hidden nuance, and emotional depth that make his music feel both intimate and transcendent. Per usual, the conversation starts with a laugh — Shakespeare references, hats, and Toby’s ongoing book of analogies — but soon spirals into an exploration of what harmony really means in music and in life. Joe breaks out the guitar to dissect Caesar’s deceptively simple two-chord vamp, revealing how small changes in tonality and phrasing can create something entirely fresh in pop music. Toby draws parallels between gospel, jazz, and the improvisational genius that defines Caesar’s sound — a sound that lives in tension between structure and soul. Together, they explore: The gospel and jazz DNA behind Caesar’s harmonies How musical “vocabularies” shape every artist — and why Caesar’s is joyfully odd The spiritual throughline in his songwriting and his relationship with his father What it means to reconcile faith, creativity, and identity through art Why harmony, not balance, is the truer metaphor for living a whole life As the conversation unfolds, “Call On Me” becomes a mirror for something universal — how we all try to live as complex, imperfect humans in search of connection and clarity. Joe and Toby riff on everything from Joseph Campbell’s Hero’s Journey to side quests in Zelda, from father-son relationships to finding the melody that ties our stories together. By the end, what starts as a discussion about one artist’s song becomes a meditation on purpose, reconciliation, and the beauty of learning to live in harmony — musically, emotionally, and spiritually. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sink your teeth into Tame Impala’s “Dracula” as Joe and Toby riff on the glittering, slightly dystopian pull of Kevin Parker’s synth-pop era. Is “Dracula” a shimmering cousin to “The Less I Know the Better”? Where do The Weeknd vibes and MJ/“Thriller” nods fit in? The duo debates lone-wolf studio genius vs. the power of collaboration, decode the video’s cult-ish unease, geek out on sounds (hello, Rhodes), and swap notes on why nighttime unlocks different creative choices. They close with a heartfelt nod to D’Angelo’s enduring influence. In this episode: Why “Dracula” and “The Less I Know the Better” feel like siblings The charm of “danceable but unsettling” pop Timbaland breadcrumbs vs. Rick Rubin chameleon-mode: producer fingerprints Studio polish vs. live translation—how Tame makes it work Instruments we love (and lovingly roast): Rhodes, sax, clarinet/oboe Night-mode creativity—why some songs only reveal themselves after dark A tribute to D’Angelo’s legacy Follow Riffs on Riffs everywhere you listen, and say hi on Instagram @riffsonriffs. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Slide into cozy Sunday-morning vibes with Joe and Toby as they dive into Olivia Dean’s “Man I Need” from her new album The Art of Loving. They unpack why this track is exploding right now, trace the album’s inspirations (bell hooks’ All About Love and a Mickalene Thomas installation), and explore the record’s intentional warmth — “fearless joy” delivered with classic, less-is-more production and a spotlight on Dean’s voice. In this episode: Why “Man I Need” became the pick—and what makes the whole album vinyl-worthy. The art-as-antidote conversation: simplicity, authenticity, and choosing collaborators with purpose. Lineage and influences: Whitney to Sade to Amy/Alicia echoes—without sounding retro-stuck. Crafting in a “house of love”: eight weeks, a favorite piano, and a feel of warmth. Healing and creative practice: nature, community, volunteering, and the “ten-things” reset list. Tell us your top four tracks from The Art of Loving. Drop a comment and keep the conversation going. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Joe and Toby ladle up a hearty conversation about Remi Wolf’s track “Soup” from her 2024 release Big Ideas. From funky basslines to chaotic brilliance, they break down how Remi’s stream-of-consciousness writing and fearless authenticity create songs that are equal parts journal entry and anthem. Along the way, Joe and Toby reflect on what it means to show up as your whole self—in music, in work, and in life. Expect tangents on chili’s questionable soup status, Spotify relapses, lobster bisque loyalty, and spirit animals. Can you guess who might be a koala? Whether you’re a longtime Remi Wolf fan or just discovering her sound, this episode blends music analysis, personal stories, and plenty of laughs into one big, tasty bowl. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

“Sometimes all I think about is you…” In this episode of Riffs on Riffs, Joe and Toby revisit Glass Animals’ breakout hit “Heat Waves” — the indie-pop anthem that simmered for more than a year before reaching #1 on the Billboard Hot 100. They explore how a song written in an hour became a global phenomenon, fueled by TikTok trends, a FIFA soundtrack placement, and a slow-burn resonance during the isolation of the pandemic. The hosts unpack the track’s hypnotic melodies, hip-hop-inspired production, and Dave Bayley’s vulnerable lyrics about loss and memory. They also dive into the band’s evolution, from earlier experimental sounds to the more personal storytelling on Dreamland and beyond, reflecting on how near-tragedy and resilience shaped their music. Along the way, Joe and Toby bring their signature mix of humor and insight — from stories about pickleball shorts and Johnny Depp’s unexpected cameo as the song’s first listener, to bigger conversations about why authenticity in music matters, the role of community, and how the best songs manage to capture both personal grief and universal connection. If you’ve ever had “Heat Waves” stuck in your head (and who hasn’t?), this episode takes you deeper into why the song lingers — not just as an earworm, but as a reminder of the bonds that carry us through. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of Riffs on Riffs, Joe and Toby dive deep into the mysterious world of Sleep Token and their hauntingly beautiful track “Aqua Regia.” From masked identities and cult-like lore to genre-bending fusion of jazz chords, hip hop grooves, and metal intensity, the hosts unravel what makes this band so captivating. Joe introduces the track as a “gateway drug” into Sleep Token’s catalog, while Toby breaks down Vessel’s vocal range, harmonies, and the unexpected piano voicings that give the song its unique edge. Along the way, they explore themes of love, dissolution, and emotional alchemy hidden in the lyrics—and even imagine wild collaborations with Taylor Swift or Kendrick Lamar. As always, the conversation riffs beyond the music itself: into the power of mystery in art, how younger generations engage with music, and the surprising connections between listening habits, technology, and culture. Whether you’re already a devoted “worshipper” of Sleep Token or just curious about the buzz, this episode promises fresh insight, thoughtful laughs, and a few classic Toby rants. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Toby and Joe explore one of the most powerful tracks in recent hip hop memory: “The Birds Don’t Sing” by Clipse. This chronicle of lived experience is a song that delivers raw vulnerability, poetic lyricism, and emotional depth. They unpack the sibling synergy of Pusha T and Malice, reflect on how the song’s lyrics about loss, grief, and family resonate universally, and celebrate the grown-man energy that defines this track and the album as a whole. From production quirks and Pharrell’s bold choices to lyrical callbacks and real-life pain, Joe and Toby give this track the kind of careful, heartfelt analysis it deserves. They also explore the broader cultural implications of the album—from moving beyond coke rap to challenging stereotypes about Black fatherhood. The human experience is universal. Songs like these remind us why music matters. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Joe and Toby step into the funky vortex of the 90s to revisit Jamiroquai’s iconic hit "Virtual Insanity." From sliding sofas and wild hats to acid jazz breakdowns and ballet-inspired footwork, the duo dives deep into what made this track and its legendary video so unforgettable. Along the way, they unpack the legacy of acid jazz as the spiritual ancestor of lo-fi, the entertaining genius of Jay Kay, and the unsung heroics of bassist Stuart Zender. Plus: the not so well known interpolation of Jocelyn Brown, the influence of Stevie Wonder, a heartfelt ode to underrated basslines, and why OK Go treadmills may be the spiritual cousins of floating couches. And for those wondering what kind of check it would take to ditch the day job for an 8-album record deal, don’t worry, that math gets worked out too. Whether you're here for the history, the grooves, or the glorious weirdness of moving furniture, this episode’s got something for every music nerd. Disco ain't dead, and neither is acid jazz. Crazy times indeed. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On this episode of Riffs on Riffs we throw caution (and rhythm) to the wind as we dive into WALK THE MOON’s unstoppable earworm, “Shut Up and Dance.” From wedding reception dance floors to nostalgic 80s synthpop vibes, learn how a spur-of-the-moment lyric became a global indie-pop anthem. Join us as we reminisce about awkward dancefloor moments, wax poetic about college memories, and draw hilarious parallels between the song and Chasing Amy, Clerks, and yes—even The Breakfast Club. You'll learn how a night out in Echo Park turned into a platinum hit, why Kenyon College has a surprising music legacy, and what Sting's “Walking on the Moon” has to do with WALK THE MOON. Plus: indie pop’s mysterious disappearance, Spotify playlist rants, surprise shout-outs to Remy Wolf, U2, David Byrne, and even Will Smith’s not-so-welcome comeback. Listen in for a joyful, nostalgic, and surprisingly philosophical ride through one of the happiest songs of the 2010s. So… just shut up and press play. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of Riffs on Riffs, Joe and Toby dive deep into the song 'Ordinary' by Alex Warren, exploring its themes, musical style, and the personal experiences that shaped it. They discuss Warren's journey from social media influencer to musician, the impact of personal trauma on songwriting, and the evolving landscape of the music industry in the age of social media. Learn about the subtle (and obvious) connections to Gospel music, why even famous artists have imposter syndrome, and what it means to be authentic in content creation. Riffs on Riffs is brought to you by DistroKid, the ultimate partner for taking your music to the next level. Riffs on Riffs listeners get 30% off your first YEAR with DistroKid by signing up at http://distrokid.com/vip/riffsonriffs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On this episode of Riffs on Riffs, Joe and Toby dive into the emotionally rich world of Ravyn Lenae, with a spotlight on her rising hit "Love Me Not." They unpack the track’s surprising lyrical depth and discuss how Ravyn’s distinctive vocal style—initially unexpected, yet undeniably captivating—sets her apart in today’s music scene. Along the way, they explore her roots, the evolution of her sound from Bird’s Eye to now, and how vulnerability and authenticity fuel not just her storytelling, but the listener's emotional connection. From parental influences to fearless nonconformity, this conversation is a heartfelt celebration of what happens when an artist fully embraces their voice. Riffs on Riffs is brought to you by DistroKid, the ultimate partner for taking your music to the next level. Riffs on Riffs listeners get 30% off your first YEAR with DistroKid by signing up at http://distrokid.com/vip/riffsonriffs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On this episode of Riffs on Riffs, Joe and Toby kick things off with some love for their dogs before diving into “MUTT,” the bold and emotionally rich single from Leon Thomas. They explore how the track—and the album of the same name—uses personal storytelling, inventive R&B production, and sharp lyricism to reflect themes of love, identity, and creative independence. Along the way, they discuss Leon Thomas’s evolution from actor to boundary-pushing musician, the importance of originality in today’s remake-saturated entertainment world, and how MUTT stands out as a cohesive artistic statement in a sea of playlist-filler. With reflections on intentionality, vulnerability, and the power of authentic expression, this episode is a celebration of music that dares to do something different. Riffs on Riffs is brought to you by DistroKid, the ultimate partner for taking your music to the next level. Riffs on Riffs listeners get 30% off your first YEAR with DistroKid by signing up at http://distrokid.com/vip/riffsonriffs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On this episode of Riffs on Riffs, Joe and Toby dive into Doechii’s powerful track “ANXIETY” and the fearless vulnerability that defines her artistry. They explore how her seamless blend of rapping and singing, backed by raw emotional honesty, is reshaping the sound and soul of modern hip hop. From her rise under the Top Dawg Entertainment banner to the way performance deepens the emotional impact of her music, the conversation touches on the evolving role of mental health in artistic expression, the power of dual perspectives in songwriting, and the joy that can coexist with struggle. Riffs on Riffs is brought to you by DistroKid, the ultimate partner for taking your music to the next level. Riffs on Riffs listeners get 30% off your first YEAR with DistroKid by signing up at http://distrokid.com/vip/riffsonriffs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On this episode of Riffs on Riffs, Toby and Joe dive into Benson Boone’s meteoric rise, from his first brush with fame on American Idol to his decision to carve his own path as an artist. They break down his hit single "Beautiful Things," exploring its themes of vulnerability, the fleeting nature of happiness, and the weight of success. Along the way, they discuss the evolving conversation around masculinity in music, the importance of self-belief, and the physical toll of high-energy performances—especially when backflips at the Grammys are involved. They also examine what makes "Beautiful Things" resonate so deeply, all while celebrating the twists, turns, and occasional stumbles that come with chasing greatness. Riffs on Riffs is brought to you by DistroKid, the ultimate partner for taking your music to the next level. Riffs on Riffs listeners get 30% off your first YEAR with DistroKid by signing up at http://distrokid.com/vip/riffsonriffs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week, Joe and Toby break down “Born Again,” the electrifying 2025 collaboration between LISA, Doja Cat, and RAYE. From its fusion of disco, hip-hop, and pop to its themes of empowerment and artistic control, they explore how the track reflects the changing landscape of the music industry. The conversation dives into the global impact of K-Pop, the resurgence of live instrumentation, and the rise of female emcees commanding their space. Along the way, they discuss LISA’s journey as a solo artist, the massive influence of BLACKPINK, and why nostalgia continues to shape modern hits. Riffs on Riffs is brought to you by DistroKid, the ultimate partner for taking your music to the next level. Riffs on Riffs listeners get 30% off your first YEAR with DistroKid by signing up at http://distrokid.com/vip/riffsonriffs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, Joe and Toby take a deep dive into SZA's ethereal track "Saturn," unpacking its emotional resonance, poetic lyrics, and bold approach to rhythm and structure. They explore how SZA's transparency about mental health reflects a generational shift, discuss the evolution of R&B through comparisons to past artists, and examine how her collaborations and artistic growth have carved out a unique space in the industry. Along the way, the duo weaves in fascinating connections between music, cultural trends, and even the passion of debating basketball legends, all while celebrating SZA's role in shaping the future of R&B. Riffs on Riffs is brought to you by DistroKid, the ultimate partner for taking your music to the next level. Riffs on Riffs listeners get 30% off your first YEAR with DistroKid by signing up at http://distrokid.com/vip/riffsonriffs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, Joe and Toby dive into Morgan Wallen’s heartfelt track "Smile," exploring its nostalgic themes, vivid storytelling, and how it reflects the evolution of country music. They discuss Wallen’s unprecedented chart success, the challenges of separating an artist’s personal life from their work, and the way music videos can shape and amplify a song’s narrative. Along the way, the duo examines how country music continues to blend with other genres and the role of personal growth in shaping an artist’s output. This conversation is a must-listen for anyone intrigued by the ever-changing landscape of modern country music. Riffs on Riffs is brought to you by DistroKid, the ultimate partner for taking your music to the next level. Riffs on Riffs listeners get 30% off your first YEAR with DistroKid by signing up at http://distrokid.com/vip/riffsonriffs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of Riffs on Riffs, Joe and Toby dive into Cynthia Erivo’s breathtaking rendition of “Defying Gravity” from Wicked, celebrating its powerful themes of empowerment, individuality, and overcoming adversity. They explore the song’s intricate composition and emotional resonance, reflecting on Broadway’s unique ability to connect deeply with audiences through storytelling and performance. From the evolution of Elphaba’s character to the cultural significance of diversity in casting, the duo examines the intentional choices that make Wicked a modern masterpiece. With personal anecdotes and thoughtful insights, Joe and Toby discuss the challenges and joys of musical storytelling, the importance of embracing originality in theater, and how songs like “Defying Gravity” inspire listeners to rise above expectations and embrace their true selves. Riffs on Riffs is brought to you by DistroKid, the ultimate partner for taking your music to the next level. Riffs on Riffs listeners get 30% off your first YEAR with DistroKid by signing up at http://distrokid.com/vip/riffsonriffs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of Riffs on Riffs, Joe and Toby dive into the collaboration between Bruno Mars and Lady Gaga on the track "Die With a Smile." From their initial reactions to the song and its polarizing music video to an exploration of Bruno’s nostalgic yet innovative style, the guys unpack the artistry behind this unique pairing. They discuss the critical role of producers like Andrew Watt and D’Mile, the importance of collaboration in shaping a song’s success, and the industry’s reliance on strategic timing and marketing for Grammy nods. With playful comparisons to basketball strategies and reflections on the evolving versatility of both artists, Joe and Toby offer insights into what makes great music transcend genres and expectations. Riffs on Riffs is brought to you by DistroKid, the ultimate partner for taking your music to the next level. Riffs on Riffs listeners get 30% off your first YEAR with DistroKid by signing up at http://distrokid.com/vip/riffsonriffs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of Riffs on Riffs, Joe and Toby dive into Chappell Roan's emotional hit “Good Luck, Babe!” to explore her powerful lyrics, musical structure, and the cultural influences shaping her sound. They discuss the impact of drag culture on her performance style, drawing connections to the 80s music revival and how modern artists like Roan are reinterpreting classic sounds while embracing vulnerability. The duo touches on the deep connection between artists and fans, examining the pressures of fame and the bravery required to perform. Rich in personal anecdotes, the episode highlights the importance of contemporary female artists supporting and influencing each other, and how Roan’s music resonates with universal themes of love, heartbreak, and the courage it takes to be true to oneself. Riffs on Riffs is brought to you by DistroKid, the ultimate partner for taking your music to the next level. Riffs on Riffs listeners get 30% off your first YEAR with DistroKid by signing up at http://distrokid.com/vip/riffsonriffs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices