ifitbeyourwill Podcast

Send us a text Ever wondered how a white MacBook and GarageBand could spark a musical journey? Meet Malia DelaCruz of CIAO MALZ, a talented musician from Brooklyn, who takes us through her captivating origin story. From her childhood fascination with instruments like the piano and clarinet, to those early days of crafting songs with the hum of background TV and basketball games, Malia reveals how he discovered his unique creative process. Her story is a testament to the power of embracing distractions and letting go of overthinking to allow musical ideas to flow with ease. Malia's narrative unfolds as we explore her evolution from band member to solo artist. Listen as she recounts the serendipitous encounter with the band Frog and the label Audio Antihero, which opened doors to dream collaborations. Transitioning from collaborative projects to solo endeavors, Malia shares the liberating yet challenging experience of finding her voice and style. Her heartfelt EP Safe Then Sorry, showcases her growth as an artist and her commitment to creating richer musical textures. Navigating the world of music production and performance, Malia offers insights into the balance between technical skills and songwriting. From opening gigs for bigger bands to receiving uplifting feedback from peers, her journey is filled with motivational moments that inspire aspiring musicians. Emphasizing the importance of consistency, discipline, and seizing opportunities while maintaining one's unique charm amidst a world of repetitive patterns. Join us for this lyrical journey, celebrating individuality and the allure of CIAO MALZ's irresistible presence in the music scene. Support the show linktr.ee/colleyc

Send us a text Lucas Mayo, affectionately known as Pickle Darling, shares the musical journey that took him from strumming a ukulele in his primary school days to becoming a defining voice in the indie pop scene. We explore the powerful impact of DIY ethos, drawing inspiration from artists like Dylan of Bedbug, and how these influences have shaped his distinctive sound. Lucas offers a candid glimpse into his time at music school, where songwriting became his refuge, and discusses the collaborative spirit that fuels his projects. Continuing our conversation, Lucas reveals the art of embracing limitations to craft authentic music from his home studio. We dissect the evolution between his albums, "Cosmonaut" and "Laundromat," highlighting a shift towards a spontaneous, raw style that captures the essence of daily inspiration. Lucas offers a peek into his latest project, where experimental recording techniques take center stage, showing his relentless dedication to evolving his sound. Our discussion also reflects on the synergy between songwriting and production, underscored by his experiences with the legendary band The Bats, which transitioned him from studio work to vibrant live performances. Performing live, Lucas finds a unique connection with audiences, from intimate solo shows to energetic band settings. He shares his admiration for Billy Bragg, whose simple yet impactful performances inspire Lucas's own aspirations. With exciting future projects on the horizon, including an upcoming album and a video game soundtrack, Lucas promises to push the boundaries of his creativity while keeping accessibility at the forefront. As we conclude, we celebrate the vibrant community that surrounds the podcast, leaving listeners eager for the new chapters yet to unfold. Support the show linktr.ee/colleyc

Send us a text Eden Sierotnik from COOL HEAT transports us into the beating heart of Chicago's music scene. Born amidst the vibrant streets of Chicago, Eden's journey from high school bands to being awestruck by iconic venues like the Aragon Ballroom is nothing short of captivating. Through Eden's eyes, listeners gain a unique perspective on how Chicago's rich musical history, with its roots in genres like post-punk and shoegaze, continues to thrive. Despite the challenges that have arisen post-pandemic, including the decline of DIY venues, Chicago's music festivals and the energy they generate keep the city's spirit alive, offering a fertile ground for both new and established artists. Dive into the creative processes that shape Eden's music-making world. With a keen focus on balancing consistency and the need to recharge creatively, Eden shares insights into how platforms like Spotify can play a role in an artist's journey to success. As the conversation flows, we uncover Eden's evolution from crafting intricate studio recordings to developing a more direct sound he fondly calls "dream punk." The transition is inspired by the electric energy of live performances, and Eden offers us a fascinating glimpse into how these studio creations metamorphose on stage to offer an immersive, organic experience for audiences. Eden opens up about the complexities of songwriting and collaboration, especially highlighted in tracks like “Change" on Abandoned. His meticulous approach to vocal production, from initial whispers to confident performance, reveals a journey of growth and introspection. With choir classes boosting his confidence, Eden has embraced the transformative power of vocal processors for live shows, creating a dynamic and engaging atmosphere. The exploration doesn't stop there; Eden discusses the potential of revisiting older tracks, keeping his music fresh and resonant for fans, ensuring every live performance is as exhilarating as the last. Support the show linktr.ee/colleyc

Send us a text Ever wondered what it takes to keep the creative spark alive amidst the hustle of life? Join us as we chat with Drew Danburry of Icarus Phoenix, who shares his incredible journey from a spontaneous songwriting moment at his brother's house to performing over 800 shows and releasing 400 songs. Drew provides a candid look into his world, revealing how his love for music and songwriting became a vital form of self-expression. He talks about the challenges and joys of forming a band, organizing performances, and nurturing creativity through an organic songwriting process. With personal anecdotes and reflections, Drew sheds light on how interactions with different generations inspire his music, especially the storytelling woven into each album's first track. As Drew and Icarus Phoenix emerge from a whirlwind Japanese tour, we explore his remarkable achievement of recording 40 songs in just three days. Despite facing mental exhaustion and a guitarist's wrist injury, the band is steadfast in their creative journey, with plans to release singles over the coming year. We also get a glimpse into Drew's personal transition from barbershop owner to his current role at Old Bank Barbers in Baltimore, where he welcomes visitors for both haircuts and engaging conversations. This episode celebrates the resilience and passion that fuels Drew's pursuits, both musical and personal, while building anticipation for what Icarus Phoenix has in store for fans. Support the show linktr.ee/colleyc

Send us a text What if the key to understanding life's circular beauty was found in an apple orchard? Join us as we explore the artistic world of Graham Ereaux of Devarrow, an indie singer-songwriter hailing from Liverpool, Nova Scotia, whose music is deeply rooted in nature and folk traditions. Graham takes us on a journey from his bohemian upbringing to the European tours that tested his introverted spirit. Through a series of candid reflections, he reveals how his teenage angst and freedom forged the path for his creatively charged life. From his first song, "The Apple Tree," to planting a real orchard, Graham's story is a poignant reminder of how art and life intertwine in unexpected, meaningful ways. Graham also unlocks the secrets behind his songwriting process and the evolution of his musical voice. We uncover how the pandemic has left its mark on his work, influencing the themes of his albums "A Long Distant Wave" and "Heart-Shaped Rock." Both projects capture contrasting essences of the human experience, from the solitude of 2020 to the joy of unbridled freedom. As Graham gears up for a Canadian tour, he shares his excitement about performing with a full band, promising to bring his latest songs to life on stage with newfound energy. Tune in to hear Graham's refreshing perspective on music, life, and everything in between. Support the show linktr.ee/colleyc

Send us a text SJ Riedel from Dutch Mustard takes us on an emotional and musical journey that began at eight years old, all sparked by the iconic film "School of Rock." Her story is a testament to passion and perseverance, from diligently saving up for her first guitar to mastering classical compositions in the Netherlands. After moving to the UK, SJ's transition to rock music marked the beginning of a new chapter, where early songwriting and an unforgettable school talent show win set the stage for her burgeoning career. In our conversation, SJ opens up about the pivotal shift from band member to solo artist. After forgoing traditional college in favor of a sound engineering apprenticeship in London, she discovered a new world of creative possibilities. The isolation of the COVID lockdown, though challenging, offered her a unique opportunity for self-reflection and musical innovation, resulting in 20 demos and a debut EP. SJ's narrative highlights how this time of solitude was a catalyst for finding her authentic voice and artistic identity. Listeners will be inspired by SJ's resilience as she navigates the music industry, embracing authenticity and collaboration with artists like Steve Milbourne and Gang of Youths' guitarist. Her story of overcoming personal struggles and the serendipitous connections that shaped her career is truly uplifting. With upcoming live performances, recording sessions, and new music releases on the horizon, SJ embodies the power of positive energy and creative collaboration. Join us for an episode filled with heartfelt stories, exciting plans, and the unwavering passion that fuels SJ's musical journey. Support the show linktr.ee/colleyc

Send us a text What drives an artist from secretive teenage recordings to captivating live performances and recording contracts? Join us as we embark on a journey with Matthew Thomas Dillon, the creative mind behind Windmill, whose musical evolution has been nothing short of transformative. Matthew shares his story about moving from quiet four-track sessions to the spotlight. Through a conversation rich with Matthew's personal insights, discover how an unexpected love for pop music shaped his songwriting. Unveiling the whirlwind of emotions behind releasing a debut album, we navigate Matthew's reflections on the unexpected praise and the introspective process of music creation. The stories behind tracks like "Tokyo Moon," "Replace Me," and "Boarding Lounges" reveal their deeper significance, serving as reminders of ambition and new beginnings. This chapter captures the delicate balance between personal detachment and artistic expression, where Matthew's blend of poetry and subconscious creativity turns his music into intimate memories or snapshots of life, rather than mere songs. In a heartfelt exploration of artistic fulfillment, Matthew shares how the purchase of an acoustic piano reignited his passion for music creation. He discusses integrating classical piano into his work, leading to a unique approach of releasing multiple versions of tracks on Bandcamp. Additionally, his innovative vocal techniques highlight the importance of authenticity and genuine emotion, painting a vivid picture of an artist dedicated to capturing raw, unique qualities in music. Tune in to experience Matthew's journey through the struggles and triumphs of a music career, leaving listeners inspired by the power of personal expression. Support the show

Send us a text Nigel Chapman, the creative force behind the band Nap Eyes, unveils the captivating story of his musical evolution, from his early days with The Mighty Northumberland to the latest album "The Neon Gate." Broadcasting from the picturesque landscapes of Nova Scotia, Nigel candidly discusses his transition from science to music and the vibrant, albeit challenging, Halifax music scene. His reflections on collaborating with bandmates Mike and Brad, along with the profound influence of iconic bands such as the Pixies, provide a fascinating glimpse into the unique blend of analytical and artistic elements that define his songwriting journey. Ever wondered how a silent meditation retreat can unlock new realms of creativity? Nigel shares his transformative experience at a Goenka-style Vipassana retreat, revealing how the discipline and focus of mindfulness unexpectedly fueled his songwriting process. With nothing but gum wrappers to capture ideas, he navigated the challenges of an incomplete song and emerged with fresh verses that redefined the piece. This story highlights the powerful intersection of mindfulness and creativity, offering fresh perspectives on how unconventional environments can inspire artistic breakthroughs. Excitement fills the air as Nigel shares insights into the collaborative creation and release of "The Neon Gate," reflecting on the emotional rollercoaster of sharing new music after years of uncertainty. The joy of receiving positive fan feedback and the anticipation of upcoming live performances, including a show with MJ Lenderman in Brooklyn, are brought to life through Nigel's vibrant storytelling. As we explore themes of magical realism and musical appreciation, we encourage listeners to support artists by purchasing records, fuelling the shared joy and connection that music brings to both creators and fans. Support the show

Send us a text TW Walsh, a talented musician and audio engineer, takes us on a nostalgic journey through his musical upbringing. Growing up amidst the eclectic sounds of classic rock and new wave, thanks to his father's diverse taste, Walsh reveals how pivotal moments like watching Led Zeppelin's "The Song Remains the Same" shaped his passion for music. This episode promises to uncover the profound influence that early exposure to the cultural shifts of the 60s, 70s, and the emergence of 80s pop and hip-hop had on his creative path, culminating in his latest album, "Wilderness." Listeners are invited to explore Walsh's transition from a passionate drummer to a solo artist with a unique voice in the alt-country and alt-rock scenes. We discuss the crucial turning points in his career, from the DIY music era to receiving unexpected recognition from peers, leading to a solo record deal in Seattle. This episode highlights Walsh's authentic sound and the personal nature of his early recordings, including his 1999 album, "How We Spend Our Days," reflecting on the dynamic evolution of his musical journey. Technological advancements in music production form a backdrop to Walsh's creative process. Equipped with engineering and computer science skills, Walsh embraces digital audio workstations to transform his songwriting practice. As he shares insights on navigating audience feedback while maintaining personal artistic integrity, listeners are encouraged to appreciate the diverse artistic outlets that keep creativity flowing. Discover standout tracks like "Hypnotized" from his new record and hear how Walsh envisions future creative ventures across multiple mediums, ensuring that his artistic journey is ever-evolving. Support the show

Send us a text What happens when life throws a curveball at your classical music dreams? Discover the inspiring journey of Robin Koob, the creative mind behind Run Remedy, as she transitions from a classically trained violinist to an indie folk rock artist. Faced with carpal tunnel syndrome, Robin redirected her path, embracing new musical styles and international teaching roles that fueled her artistic evolution. With resilience and adaptability, she now balances her passion for music with her role as an international corporate trainer, crafting a unique blend of sound that defies traditional boundaries. Manchester becomes a muse for musicians seeking to immerse themselves fully in their craft. Listen as we unravel the story of a musician moving from a day job to creating dramatic black metal string compositions with Pine. Using innovative techniques like altering pitches and effects pedals, they craft orchestral pieces on the spot. Personal motivations, such as a poignant conversation with a late mother, inspire this creative leap, while the challenge of self-production turns into an empowering journey of self-expression and storytelling. Music as a tool for exploring identity and healing takes center stage in our exploration of songwriting and queer narratives. From high school songwriting competitions to the release of "Disciple" our guest shares how music helps process past traumas and religious experiences. Unravel the complex tapestry of spirituality, struggle, and the search for meaning as we weave through themes of self-discovery and redemption. These powerful narratives reveal the profound connection between music and authenticity, offering solace and understanding amidst life's chaos. Support the show

Send us a text What happens when the worlds of music and mathematics collide? David Lowery, from the iconic bands Cracker and Camper Van Beethoven, joins us to share his intriguing journey from a math enthusiast to a prolific songwriter. Discover how his passion for numbers influences his unique, almost scientific approach to creating music. David also lets us into his world of hobbies, including amateur radio, and shares insights into his solo projects born out of the creative solitude during the COVID-19 pandemic. This conversation is a testament to Lowery's innovative spirit, where even the unlikeliest of inspirations can spark musical genius. Reimagine the past with Cracker's "Alternative History" project as we explore the motivations behind this retrospective collection. David opens up about the band's quest to offer a genuine narrative free from the confines of algorithm-driven playlists and licensing hurdles. We delve into the creative process behind the alternate takes and unique collaborations with artists like Leftover Salmon and members of Drive-By Truckers, giving fans an authentic glimpse into Cracker’s evolution. Moreover, David shares his experiences at the University of Georgia, where he champions fair practices in the music industry while fostering the next generation of artists. For aspiring musicians, the path to success is often fraught with challenges, but David offers invaluable advice. From the significance of producing a vast catalog of music to the irreplaceable value of live performances, he emphasizes building a real connection with your audience. We also discuss the importance of diversifying income sources and maintaining a balance to prevent creative burnout. Join us as we conclude with a poignant reflection on the emotional toll of farewells, capturing the bittersweet nature of goodbyes through poetic expression. Don't miss the upcoming release of "Alternate History: A Cracker Retrospect," which promises a fresh take on the band's legacy. Support the show linktr.ee/colleyc

Send us a text Emma Danner from Red Ribbon invites you to an inspiring journey through her musical universe. Ever wondered how isolation can spur creativity and how a city like Los Angeles can offer both loneliness and limitless potential? Emma unpacks her unique experiences, including the move to LA fueled by her passion for music, and the role mentors like Loretta Taylor played in her early development. She recounts her musical beginnings, from the innocence of childhood piano lessons to the vibrant streets of San Francisco where she busked while studying classical violin. Her story embodies resilience, shaped by the challenges and triumphs of navigating the music industry during the pandemic. Peek into the world of music production as Emma reveals what it takes to compose her self-titled album, set to grace your playlist on November 1st. She shares the emotional transformation of grief into art through her debut record "Freaks Only," and the vibrant collaboration with notable producer Randall Dunn, blending genres in unexpected ways. The episode captures the essence of being an independent artist—juggling studio deadlines, self-booked tours, and service industry jobs, all while remaining agile and open to spontaneous opportunities. Emma's narrative is a testament to passion, creativity, and the relentless pursuit of one's craft amidst an ever-changing landscape. Support the show

Send us a text What happens when two musicians reconnect after a 17-year break? Join us as we welcome Nick Krgovich and Larissa Loyva, the creative forces behind Vancouver's indie sensation p:ano, who share the evolution of their sound and unexpected reunion. Larissa opens up about their serendipitous meeting through her sister Jessica during high school, a connection that sparked a musical journey through an eclectic blend of instruments. Nick reflects on the importance of finding a true musical partner in a time before social media, when creating genuine connections required dedication and effort. Discover how p:ano's early success seemed almost magical, with opportunities manifesting effortlessly, from recording their first tracks to forming a sound shaped by local talent. The duo recounts how their teenage naivety fueled ambitious musical visions, further amplified by a Canada Council grant that paved the way for their creative exploration. During their hiatus, each member embarked on solo projects that enriched their artistry, ultimately setting the stage for a compelling reunion. The episode delves into their individual growth and the seamless revival of their collaborative dynamic, sparking excitement for what's next in their musical journey. In a relaxed and candid conversation, Nick and Larissa share insights into their current creative endeavors, highlighting a newfound joy in collaborating without the weight of grand expectations. While they remain tight-lipped about certain projects, they offer a glimpse into their quirky rehearsal sessions and past and potential future tours. There's intrigue surrounding an album created in Japan with the Tennis Coats, expected to release early next year. Tune in for an episode filled with mutual appreciation, laughter, and the organic, fun nature of their collaboration that promises to enthrall both longtime fans and new listeners alike. Support the show

Send us a text Join us for an engaging conversation with Lea Thomas, a talented musician with a rich catalog spanning over a decade. Lea's musical journey began in her artistically vibrant family, where she first fell in love with the piano and guitar. She fondly recalls writing her first song, inspired by Alicia Keys, and shares the unique challenges she faced exploring her musical interests in a place where her preferred genres were not mainstream. Discover how setting up a home recording studio became a pivotal moment in her independent artistic development, allowing her to experiment and refine her sound. As we explore Lea's transformative songwriting journey, she reveals how living in the city inspired a purpose-driven approach to her music, emphasizing a connection with nature as a source of healing and stability. Lea discusses the evolution of her music over the past decade, highlighting a shift from external influences to a more authentic expression of self. Her latest album, released in September, stands as a personal letter to the world, capturing her growth in confidence and communication, and showcasing the beauty of embracing individuality in artistic expression. Lea also takes us on a journey through her process of creating vulnerable musical landscapes. She reflects on the evolution of her confidence and how setting energetic boundaries has transformed her approach to performing, turning music into an offering rather than a forced experience. Recorded in a serene, isolated environment, her latest album carries a minimal and introspective sound, influenced by the tranquility of its surroundings. Finally, Lea shares the joy of finally sharing this work, along with the poetic expressions of love and happiness that permeate her music, capturing the essence of emotional connections and the beauty of living in love. Support the show

Send us a text Musician Ben Lee joins us for a fascinating journey through his life and career, offering insights into his musical beginnings and creative evolution. From the formation of Noise Addict as a teenager to the crafting of his solo debut album "Grandpaw Would". Listeners will gain a deeper appreciation for Ben's knack for creating catchy pop gems and his unwavering commitment to genuine artistic expression. The podcast delves into the crucial support of Ben's father, who played an instrumental role in his early music career. His father's unwavering dedication opened unexpected doors, including opportunities with Sonic Youth and Grand Royal, the label established by the Beastie Boys. Ben reflects candidly on the challenges he faced, balancing ambition with reality, and important career milestones, such as his experiences recording "Breathing Tornadoes." Finally, we explore Ben's perspective on the ever-evolving music industry and the impact of emerging platforms on modern creativity. Embracing change while staying true to his indie rock roots, Ben discusses the creative freedom streaming platforms provide and the influence of 90s music on his new projects. From upcoming singles to exciting ventures like a children's TV show pitch, Ben's positive energy and passion for exploring creativity across diverse mediums shine through, offering inspiration for both artists and fans alike. Support the show

Send us a text Namra Saleem, better known as Crybaby Claire, shares her inspiring journey from a small Norwegian town to the bustling streets of Oslo, and how a spontaneous moment at a "nachspiel" with the Talking Heads blaring sparked her passion for music. Without formal training, Namra's determination led her to pick up the guitar and bass, form a band, and explore the energetic realms of punk and Riot Grrrl music. Her story is a testament to the power of DIY artistry as she eventually took an Ableton course to create music on her own, crafting a distinct sound that combines nostalgic elements with raw emotion. Immerse yourself in the colorful world of Crybaby Claire, where deeply personal lyrics meet upbeat, danceable rhythms. Namra shares how her influences, from Le Tigre to the DIY spirit of Molly Nilsson, shape her music-making process, which often begins with the beat before the melody finds its place. We explore her creative journey, focusing on the authenticity and simplicity that drive her art, and how she captures the raw essence of her first vocal takes to preserve genuine emotion. The path to a solo career is paved with challenges, but Namra's story is about overcoming fears and finding joy in self-expression. A turning point came when life circumstances prompted her to embark on a solo project, using a cassette player for her first gig's backing tracks and planning to incorporate her cultural heritage into future works. As we anticipate her upcoming EP and live performances, this episode celebrates the courage of a DIY artist stepping into the spotlight, marking the start of an exciting new chapter that promises to resonate with listeners and music lovers alike. Support the show

Send us a text Join us as Maria Maita-Keppeler of MAITA takes us on her remarkable journey of musical evolution and personal growth. Discover how she transitioned from playing complex violin pieces to crafting heartfelt songs with guitar and lyrics that cut straight to the heart. Learn how Maria's songwriting style has evolved over the years, moving toward a balance of figurative language and concise impact that resonates with her growing fanbase. Maria offers a behind-the-scenes look at maintaining creative control during the production of her album "Want," especially in the midst of a global pandemic. Experience the emotional depth and introspection that shaped this collection of songs, each standing strong as a single while together forming a cohesive narrative. From discussing the aesthetics of music video production to the artistic decisions that keep her work authentic, Maria shares insights into navigating the modern music landscape with creativity and vision. She opens up about the shift from inviting friends to her gigs to witnessing the growth of a dedicated audience eager to attend her shows. Listen as Maria explores the nuanced dynamics of relationships, emphasizing the power of clear communication and understanding each other's unspoken desires. Whether you’re a musician, music lover, or someone intrigued by the art of storytelling, Maria's journey offers a rich tapestry of insights and inspiration. Support the show

Send us a text Celina from Future Star shares her fascinating journey from a childhood filled with music to her career as a successful artist. Growing up with a piano teacher for a mother and a musician father, Celina’s life was enriched with musical experiences that fueled her passion. From a humorous anecdote involving Sarah McLachlan's manager to the communal joy of choir singing, she reflects on how these moments shaped her artistic path. The conversation underscores the deep connection and cultural significance of shared musical experiences, sparking thoughts on the rarity and beauty of communal singing in today's world. Celina reveals her transition from a DIY musician to working with Men Records. We discuss the support and structure this brings, allowing her to focus more on the craft while maintaining her musical essence. Wrapping up with admiration for Celina's artistic achievements, we offer encouragement for her future endeavours and reflect on the imaginative journey through her unique lens. Filled with anticipation, we look forward to the continued evolution of her music and the shared moments that await. Support the show

Send us a text Gary Olsen from Ladybug Transistor takes us on a nostalgic journey back to his first encounters with the magic of radio, which ignited his passion for music. Imagine the excitement of flipping through radio dials as a child, stumbling upon the hidden gems of college stations that would ultimately shape a lifelong musical path. Gary reveals how his unconventional songwriting methods, which rely on layering sounds with a four-track recorder rather than traditional chord progressions, have been key in the formation of Ladybug Transistor. As he shares his unique creative process, we get a glimpse into the collaborative spirit that drives his artistic endeavors, offering insight into how it all comes together to create the band's signature sound. In this episode, we delve into the complexities of balancing music production with sound engineering. Gary opens up about the benefits of recording vocals solo in the studio and how working with an engineer can bring a fresh, objective perspective to the mix. We reminisce about the creation of their album "Albemarle Sound," recalling the creative energy that flowed from living together as a band. With the upcoming 25th-anniversary reissue on the horizon, Gary discusses the thrill of unearthing rare demos and b-sides that breathe new life into the album for a new audience. Tune in to explore the artistic choices and collaborations that have defined Ladybug Transistor's enduring legacy. Support the show

Send us a text Join us on a fascinating musical exploration with Mary Water and Pat Maley from Guidon Bear as they reveal the heart and soul behind their new record, "Internal Systems." Discover how their 25-year collaboration began in the 90s when Pat, captivated by Mary's performances, brought her onto the Yo-Yo Recordings label. With roots in church bands and experimental Philly sounds, their journey highlights music as a therapeutic force that helps them maintain emotional balance and connection, much like a deeply personal therapy session. Curious about how creativity thrives amidst imperfections? Mary and Pat share their insights into the unblocking of the creative mind, a process akin to embracing spontaneity in live performances. As they unfold the secrets of their dynamic partnership, listeners will gain an understanding of authentic artistic expression, far removed from the polished facades often seen on social media. Adrian Lenker's songwriting class on this very topic provides a backdrop to their unique approach to music-making. Explore the reality of life on tour with the compelling track "Ride Into the Beast," inspired by the challenges and discoveries encountered on the road. Pat's cultural insights and musical versatility shine through, transforming simple arpeggiations into resonant soundscapes that echo shared experiences. In a world where connections are increasingly sought through screens, this episode prompts reflection on the nature of empathy and the narratives we construct to make sense of our own lives. Support the show