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Moving your business email from one system to another sounds straightforward until it isn't. Susan learned this the hard way during a weekend-long migration that revealed every hidden complexity you never think to ask about upfront. In this episode, she breaks down the five critical questions every business owner must answer before switching email systems - questions that could save you from your own technical nightmare and budget explosion. The 5 Questions That Prevent Email Migration Disasters Subscribe to Susan's blog for a series on this topic. Blog series on the topic of tech stacks and email migration.

Today's episode could save you 20% or more on overhead costs while boosting employee retention by up to 45%. My guest is Alane Boyd, Co-CEO of BiggestGoal.ai and workflow automation expert with nearly two decades in tech. But here's what sets her apart: instead of forcing you into complicated project management tools you'll hate, she works with what you already use and love. Alane's built her philosophy around "retention not replacement" - using automation to free your team for strategic work, not eliminate their jobs. She's a serial entrepreneur, three-time published author, and her tools were voted Best for Remote Work in 2022. In this conversation, we dive into real client examples, including a 70% time reduction in podcast production workflows, why most automation fails, and the one simple automation you can implement this week. Plus, Alane gets refreshingly honest about why being the "hero consultant" doesn't work. Links from this episode: Alane Boyd on LinkedIn BiggestGoal.ai Susan Finch on LinkedIn Binky Patrol SusanFinch.com

Google First, AI Second: The Smart Agent Strategy Your prospects aren't abandoning Google - they're using it PLUS asking ChatGPT, Perplexity, and Claude for deeper research. Here's the reality: Google still processes 373 times more searches than ChatGPT. But the 1% of prospects using AI answer engines? They're your highest-intent leads spending 23+ minutes researching before they ever call an agent. Most real estate professionals are asking the wrong question. Instead of "Should I optimize for AI or Google?" the question is "How do I dominate both?" Maurice White, SEO lead at Mod Op and former real estate professional, reveals why your SEO foundation determines your AI visibility. You'll discover why 80% of getting found by ChatGPT, Claude, and Perplexity depends on fundamental SEO - and what that crucial 20% difference is that separates agents who get cited from those who remain invisible. This isn't about replacing your Google strategy. It's about extending your reach to capture the early adopters who are doing deeper research and making more informed decisions before they contact agents. If you serve local clients - real estate, HVAC, restaurants, professional services - this matters now, not later. About Maurice White: Maurice White is a Senior SEO Strategist at Mod Op with a unique background that bridges real estate and digital marketing. After spending over 10 years in the real estate industry as a broker's assistant, agent, and licensed broker, Maurice transitioned to leading SEO strategy for one of the industry's top agencies. His hands-on real estate experience, combined with his technical expertise in data analysis and SEO strategy, gives him rare insight into how local businesses can leverage both traditional search optimization and emerging AI engine visibility. Maurice specializes in helping companies organize complex digital strategies, make data-driven decisions, and implement scalable SEO solutions. BONUS ACTION LIST: Here's the action list for this episode based on Maurice's insights: Immediate Actions (This Week) Test Your Current AI Visibility: Audit Your Current Content: Foundation Check: This Month Actions SEO Foundation Audit: Content Strategy Development: Local Authority Building: Ongoing Strategy Content Creation System: Measurement and Tracking: Provider Evaluation: If you're currently paying for automated content, ask these questions:

You've hired great people individually, but your team still isn't performing at its potential. Sound familiar? Most companies focus on individual talent while completely missing the multiplier effect of understanding how team members naturally function together. In Part 3 of our series with Frederic Lucas-Conwell, President of GRI (Growth Resources Institute), we dive into "The Team Performance Multiplier"—how behavioral dynamics can accelerate revenue growth through better collaboration and decision-making. Unlike generic team-building exercises, this approach focuses on understanding the specific behavioral requirements of different types of teams and how individual dynamics create group performance. Frederic reveals why it takes just one person to derail team performance and shares insights from working with diverse teams—from Silicon Valley startups to government agencies, accounting departments to sales teams. We explore the critical difference between adapting people to jobs versus adapting jobs to people, and why most companies wait too long to address team dysfunction. Susan shares real-world examples from her work with startup founders who each want to hire someone to handle "the stuff they don't like to do"—revealing how misaligned expectations create hiring disasters. This conversation moves beyond surface-level team building to practical strategies for creating team alignment, building trust, and leveraging each member's behavioral strengths for maximum revenue impact. Key Points

The Crisis Killing Service Organizations - And How to Save Them Rotary clubs, Lions International, Chambers of Commerce, and countless other service organizations are dying. Membership is aging out, younger generations aren't joining, and traditional models that worked for decades are failing spectacularly. In this eye-opening episode of Rooted in Revenue, host Susan Finch and guest Miguel de Jesus tackle this crisis head-on. Miguel, a seasoned executive who went from East Harlem public housing to building $2B in revenue at Paychex, brings decades of organizational leadership experience. Susan, running a nonprofit in Oregon while watching service organizations struggle, offers frontline perspective on what's not working. Together, they dissect why Monday noon meetings don't attract busy professionals anymore, how ego-driven leadership kills organizations just like it kills companies, and why value propositions matter more than tradition. But this isn't just about problems - it's about solutions. Discover how to reach students before they graduate, why "actionists beat activists" with younger generations, and how organizations can adapt their models without losing their mission. Whether you're leading a Rotary club, Chamber of Commerce, or any community organization, this conversation offers a roadmap for survival and growth. The future of community service depends on leaders willing to evolve. Are you ready to adapt? 6 Key Points Community Connection Missing - Modern mobility and lack of traditional community structures require intentional relationship-building approaches Miguel de Jesús: Miguel de Jesús transformed from growing up in East Harlem public housing to becoming a powerhouse business executive. His strong family foundation and early discipline through music and sports provided the launching pad for extraordinary career success. After attending Long Island University and Columbia's MBA program, Miguel joined Xerox and rapidly advanced through executive roles. At Paychex, he helped grow the company from $40 million to over $2 billion in revenue while leading 1,500+ team members. Today, Miguel is a sought-after business coach, keynote speaker, and trainer specializing in emotional intelligence and AI-influenced business practices. He serves military special operations personnel transitioning to civilian careers through the Honor Foundation and recently completed five years as Director of Business Development at Cal State University San Marcos. His core values—compassion, competence, achievement, and helping others—drive everything he does as he teaches leaders how to lead with both humility and results.

Your son just graduated college with excellent grades, but can't get past the "AI robot" screening resumes. Meanwhile, companies like Nike are using AI filters as their first hiring step, eliminating potentially brilliant candidates before any human ever sees them. What's going wrong with this approach? In Part 2 of our series with Frederic Lucas-Conwell, President of GRI (Growth Resources Institute), we dive beyond traditional resume screening into the world of AI-enhanced behavioral profiling. While most companies use AI to filter OUT candidates based on keywords and credentials, GRI uses AI to understand HOW people actually function in roles. Frederic reveals the fundamental flaw in asking for "perfect" candidates and shares how behavioral intelligence helps you spot the hidden characteristics that drive revenue performance—especially in candidates who might not have the perfect resume. We explore why recent college graduates with stellar academics are being eliminated by systems that can't see their potential, and how companies can identify candidates who are ready to quit their current jobs (and how to attract them). Susan shares a real-world example of interviewing two best friends using GRI's approach, demonstrating how behavioral insights create instant trust and reveal traits that would never appear on a resume. This isn't just about hiring—it's about seeing what your eyes cannot see. Connect with Frederic Lucas-Conwell: https://www.linkedin.com/in/flucasconwell/ https://gri.co https://x.com/griplatform https://www.linkedin.com/company/griplatform

Most hiring managers are drowning in resumes, conducting endless interviews, and still ending up with costly mis-hires that drain productivity and morale. What if the problem isn't finding good candidates—it's understanding what you actually need before you start looking? In this episode of Rooted in Revenue, host Susan Finch sits down with Frederic Lucas-Conwell, President of GRI (Growth Resources Institute), to explore how behavioral intelligence is revolutionizing the hiring process. Unlike traditional personality tests or gut-feeling interviews, GRI's approach uses objective, nuanced assessments to help organizations understand not just who people are, but how they actually function in specific roles. Frederic reveals why so many job descriptions ask for "Mr. or Mrs. Perfect" and how this backwards approach leads to expensive hiring mistakes. We dive into the true financial impact of poor hiring decisions—from wasted interview time to costly three-month turnovers—and how behavioral intelligence can help you identify mismatches in weeks instead of months. Whether you're a CEO struggling with team performance, an HR professional tired of hiring misses, or a manager trying to get the best out of your existing team, this conversation offers practical insights into building high-performing organizations through a better understanding of people. Connect with Frederic Lucas-Conwell: https://www.linkedin.com/in/flucasconwell/ https://gri.co https://x.com/griplatform https://www.linkedin.com/company/griplatform

When Frank Scavo sent me his latest article about consulting skills, I knew we had to dig deeper. After 20 years of working together—first as his client, then as colleagues—we've lived the collaborative consulting model he champions. In this conversation, we explore why seasoned executives often struggle to transition into consulting, the critical difference between having authority and wielding influence, and why the best consulting relationships blur traditional boundaries. Frank shares hard-won insights from his 50-year career, including the fascinating failure of his "retread model" and what it really takes to move from telling people what to do to helping them discover solutions together. Links from this episode: Frank Scavo on LinkedIn The Enterprise Spectator on Substack Arabella Penrose Books "Flawless Consulting" by Peter Block Previous episode we refer to. Growth Resources Institute Binky Patrol

Local SEO just got a reality check. Darren Shaw, founder of Whitespark, joins Rooted in Revenue to debunk some widely held myths while sharing what actually drives results for small businesses trying to dominate local search. If you're a real estate agent sharing office space with ten competitors, a service provider working from home, or any brick-and-mortar business wondering why your Google rankings aren't improving despite "doing everything right," this conversation will change how you approach local SEO forever. Shaw breaks down the local filter that's silently crushing businesses sharing addresses, reveals why citation consistency isn't the ranking factor everyone thinks it is, and explains why your Google Business Profile needs constant attention, not a "set it and forget it" approach. Plus, he tackles the age-old question about Yelp's practices and shares the one ranking factor that trumps almost everything else. About Darren Shaw Darren founded Whitespark in 2005 as a web design and development company; however, his passion and curiosity for all things local search led to a shift in focus in 2010, and ultimately to what the company is today. These days, Whitespark specializes in local search software and services and is one of the most respected and cited in the industry. Darren has been working on the web for over 19 years and loves everything about local SEO. He leads research initiatives such as the Local Search Ranking Factors survey and the Local Search Ecosystem. He is a regular contributor to search marketing publications, and speaks at conferences around the globe. When Darren isn’t speaking at conferences, researching the latest in local search or designing the next best local SEO tool, he is spending time with his wife and daughter in their hometown of Edmonton, Alberta. In his spare time he’s traveling, sporting fancy socks, and drinking too much coffee. Social Links: https://whitespark.ca/https://www.linkedin.com/in/darrenshawwhitespark/https://www.instagram.com/darrenshawseo/https://www.facebook.com/darrenshawseo

I heard Aaron Grando drop the term "pretotypes" on Leader Generation this morning and had to hit pause. Three minutes in, I realized I'd been vibe coding for months without knowing there was a name for it. But pretotypes? That's when I knew I had to get him on the show immediately. We're talking about taking your stream-of-consciousness ideas and building working drafts before you've even figured out what you want. For business owners doing $0.5 to 10 million a year, this isn't just another tech trend—it's the shift that stops you from waiting weeks for simple prototypes. Aaron's VP of Creative Innovation at Mod Op, and in this spontaneous follow-up to his Leader Generation episode, we dig into what vibe coding actually means for your bottom line and why small teams are suddenly punching way above their weight class. Action items to consider that tie to this episode: Immediate (This Week) Short-term (Next 30 Days) Medium-term (Next 90 Days) Strategic (Next 6-12 Months) Key Questions to Ask Yourself Before listening: After listening: Resources Mentioned Here is the episode on Leader Generation. About Guest Aaron Grando: Aaron Grando, VP, Creative Innovation on Mod Op's Innovation team, is a seasoned technologist with over 15 years of experience at creative agencies. With a background in strategy, design, engineering, and marketing, Aaron has worked extensively in industries like media, entertainment, gaming, food & beverage, fashion, and technology. At Mod Op, Aaron leads efforts to integrate AI into creative processes, creating tools that connect creatives and clients with insights, spark ideas, and enable new brand experiences. Projects include collaborations with companies like NBCUniversal, Bethesda Softworks, Under Armour, Planet Fitness, Dietz & Watson, and more, focusing on infusing creative strategies with innovative technology to create cutting-edge brand experiences.

Lany and Susan dive into the sometimes murky waters of consultant-client relationships. Drawing from years of experience sitting on every side of the boardroom table, they tackle the age-old question: "Who is responsible for doing the tasks at hand?" Let's face it—consultants don't come with magic wands, and CEOs don't get to toss the keys and walk away. Whether you've ever wondered "Why isn't this working?" or "I paid a consultant, so why isn't everything fixed?" this episode cuts through the confusion with practical advice on setting boundaries, managing expectations, and creating successful partnerships. Susan and Lany share real-world stories about scope creep, communication breakdowns, and the emotional rollercoaster that can derail even the best-intentioned business relationships. They also offer straightforward tips for both sides to keep things running smoothly, from clear contracts to honest conversations about decision-making authority. Tune in for a no-nonsense discussion about what makes consultant-CEO partnerships work, and what doesn't! Key Points from the Episode

In this episode, Susan Finch and Lany Sullivan revisit a topic we can’t stress enough: branded email addresses. Using Gmail, Yahoo, or even AOL for business? You’re losing trust before the conversation starts. We dig into real examples, onboarding requirements, offboarding protocols, and the risk of letting your team operate with inconsistent or unprotected emails. Your email isn’t just a communication tool—it’s your brand's handshake. Related Reading: Domain, Email & Website Evaluation for Your Brand Why Branded Email Matters – Quick Reminder Listen, nod, then take action.

Struggling to make your real estate data stand out in a sea of generic market reports? In this episode of Rooted in Revenue, I share practical insights from my recent workshop with NRBA professionals Kelley Kesterson and Angelica Suarez, who are looking to elevate their marketing with meaningful data visualization. Discover how to transform complex market statistics into compelling visual stories that build trust and position you as the go-to expert in your local market—all using tools you already have access to, like Google Sheets. Stop wasting time on generic industry charts that mean nothing to your audience and start creating content that genuinely connects. Key Points

Susan sits down with former team member Karen Mares, Content Creator at Event Builder, who serves as her company's "marketing anchor" as she navigates the evolving landscape of AI tools. Karen shares her journey from initial concerns about AI replacing her writing role to developing a strategic workflow where she remains firmly in control. You'll discover how she has combined multiple AI platforms—each serving distinct purposes in her content creation process—while ensuring that her human expertise, voice, and judgment remain the guiding force. For marketing leaders seeking practical ways to integrate AI without compromising authenticity, Karen offers invaluable insights: training AI tools in your company's voice, identifying and eliminating phrases that give away AI, and creating approval processes that maintain compliance standards. Her approach has significantly accelerated content production while preserving the quality and distinctiveness that only a skilled human writer can deliver. Whether you're just beginning to explore AI tools or looking to refine your existing processes, this conversation provides a blueprint for keeping the human element central while leveraging AI's capabilities to expand your content reach and impact. Join us to learn how to stay firmly at the helm while letting AI help power your content journey forward. Karen Mares on LinkedIn EventBuilder Love, Hate, Delegate: Transforming Your Business Through Delegation LEADER GENERATION EP109: AI, Data & Marketing: How To Manage Risks

Terry Hopkins | President & CEO, Grants Pass Chamber of Commerce: Grants Pass native Terry Hopkins has returned to his roots after a diverse hospitality career across five states. With over 25 years of business ownership and management experience in Southern Oregon, Terry recently spent 5 years as a business advocate with the Oregon Restaurant & Lodging Association. Married for 20+ years with two sons, Terry is passionate about community service, having served on numerous Chamber and city committees. He's excited to join the Grants Pass & Josephine County Chamber of Commerce team to advocate for local businesses and enhance community development. thopkins@grantspasschamber.org | 541-956-4100

Lany Sullivan sits down with Mark Cleve, who shares his remarkable 32-year journey with Tom James, the premium custom clothing company that's grown from $119 million to over $600 million during his tenure. Mark reveals the business philosophy that has guided his success: "You don't build a business, you build people and people build a business." From his early door-to-door book-selling experiences to becoming a trusted name in custom clothing, Mark offers powerful insights on why clothing matters, how to build systems that scale, and why the ultimate business legacy is reliability. Discover why Mark has only lost clients for three reasons: how the right clothing creates both confidence and respect, and why he believes that dressing appropriately for occasions shows respect for others. Whether you're in fashion, sales, or any client-facing business, Mark's practical wisdom on creating "consciously competent" customers who trust you completely offers a blueprint for building your lasting business legacy. Connect with Mark: mark.cleve@tomjames.com | 503-819-7001 LinkedIn | Instagram | Website About Mark Cleve Mark Cleve is a Division Vice President, Image Consultant, and Executive Clothier at Tom James Company, the world's largest manufacturer and retailer of custom clothing. Based in Portland, Oregon, Mark has dedicated over 32 years to helping professionals elevate their presence through tailored wardrobe solutions. With a client-centric approach, he meets individuals at their homes or offices, crafting bespoke garments that reflect their unique style and career aspirations. His career began at Southwestern Company, selling educational books door-to-door—an experience he calls the hardest and best job he ever had. A graduate of Indiana University Bloomington (B.A. in Religious Studies and English), Mark brings analytical insight and interpersonal skill to his work. Beyond his professional life, Mark enjoys music, food, wine, travel, and the outdoors. He takes pride in delivering concierge-level service that empowers clients to make lasting first impressions across all aspects of their professional and social lives.

We're continuing our exploration of effective marketing strategies with the experts from iHeartRadio. In our first segment, we discovered how radio remains 'America's Trusted Companion' and explored the powerful geofencing capabilities that can target potential customers with remarkable precision. Now, we're shifting focus to the strategic side - how businesses of all sizes can effectively incorporate audio marketing into their overall strategy, even with limited budgets. Julie and Kevin share valuable insights on the psychology behind effective advertising, the multiplier effect of audio on other marketing channels, and practical approaches to campaign timing that maximize impact without breaking the bank. Let's rejoin the conversation as they break down the differences between host-read ads and generic spots, and reveal how audio fits into a comprehensive marketing strategy. This episode could have also been called:

Real estate brokers searching for an edge are discovering what radio professionals have known all along – radio remains 'America's Trusted Companion' even in our digital age. This special segment of Rooted in Revenue brings you face-to-face with iHeartRadio experts Julie Beaulieu and Kevin Cash, who share surprising insights about radio's continued growth and its unique ability to build community trust. Learn how their advanced geofencing technology lets you precisely target potential clients – from specific neighborhoods to competitors' open houses – creating opportunities traditional digital marketing misses. You'll understand why radio creates deeper connections with listeners and how this translates directly into brand credibility for real estate professionals. Whether you're running a boutique agency or a larger brokerage, discover practical strategies to incorporate radio into your marketing mix without stretching your budget. This conversation might completely change how you think about connecting with future clients and positioning your brand in the competitive real estate landscape.

What happens after you've found that perfect addition to your team? How do you create an onboarding experience that makes new hires feel confident, valued, and ready to contribute? In the last episode, Susan and Lany walked you through establishing a solid hiring process. The topic is Beyond the Hire: Creating a Welcoming Onboarding Experience That Builds Lasting Teams. In this second half, they explore the critical role of mentorship in successful onboarding, including how to support first-time mentors and celebrate this growth opportunity for existing team members. From day-one preparations to long-term development strategies, they share practical insights on welcoming new team members in ways that strengthen your company culture and improve retention. Whether you're managing an in-person or virtual team, these actionable steps will help you transform the critical first months of employment into the foundation for lasting success. Key Points Checklist:

Are you planning to bring a new team member on board? Before you start interviewing candidates, there's critical groundwork that needs to be laid. In this episode of Rooted in Revenue, hosts Susan Finch and Lany Sullivan walk you through the essential steps to prepare your business for a successful hire. From mapping out processes to setting up the right tech stack, they share practical advice drawn from years of experience working with business owners. Learn how proper preparation not only makes onboarding smoother but also sets your new team member up for success from day one. Lany's 5 steps: Links from this episode: Lany's article on LinkedIn Our episode about Love, Hate, Delegate