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Glennon Doyle - Re-Release

Guest Info/Bio: A re-release of one of our absolute favorite episodes from our first season. This is an interview with Glennon Doyle from back in 2016 after the release of her incredible book (that is now being made into a movie), “Love Warrior.” Glennon is the author of New York Times bestselling memoir “Carry On, Warrior” and “Love Warrior.” She is also the founder of Momastery, an online community reaching millions of people each week. She is the creator and president of Together Rising -...


Ep 14 - Sarah Bessey "How To Be Out Of Sorts"

If this podcast is something that you dig, if it gives you life in any way, please consider donating. We are really tired of stealing money from our parents when we go home to visit. We'll get caught eventually and it will be all your fault. Click the link below. We'll probably buy books, beer or techincal crap. Love you. This week, we have the delightful honor of chatting with author, speaker and insanely cool canadian, Sarah freaking Bessey....


Ep 13 - DC Talk ing with Kevin Max - "Playing Games With The Shadow"

We talk with DC Talk member and brilliant solo artist Kevin Max. Kevin not only has one of the best rock voices of all time, he has some seriously interesting and provocative insights on what it looks like to be in the "bubble" of christian celebrity culture, choosing to take the "red pill" and step outside to find true identity. Music on this episode provided by Kevin's new album Playing Games With The Shadow. If you have connected and benefited from this podcast, please...


Ep 12 - Tad Delay - Fetish, Faith, and Unconscious God

Adam and John spend time with author Tad Delay. Tad's specialty is Psychoanalytical Theology (I know, right?)which is primarily concerned not with what we believe, but how our beliefs function. We are still mentally recovering from this enlightening, provocative and mind bending conversation! Enjoy! If you are benefiting from this podcast please support us by making a small donation at: Tad DeLay is a PhD student of philosophy of religion at...


Ep 11 - Science Mike

We have a blast talking to the always interesting and informative Mike McHargue of Ask Science Mike and The Liturgists. Songs on this episode by Son Lux - if you haven't started listening to Son Lux yet... you're missing out Mikes forthcoming book Finding God In The Waves can be pre ordered here Mike McHargue (better known as Science Mike) is an author, podcaster, and speaker focused on the...


Ep 10 - Greg Boyd - Religious Nationalism, Open Theism and Doubt

Theologian and author Greg Boyd joins Adam and John to wade into some hot topics including: The myth of christian nationalism pacifism Doubt/deconstruction Open theism and much more Greg Boyd is an internationally recognized theologian, preacher, teacher, apologist and author. He has been featured on the front page of The New York Times, The Charlie Rose Show, CNN, National Public Radio, the BBC and numerous other television and radio venues. Greg received his Ph.D. from Princeton...


Ep 9 - Derek Webb - Doubt, Honesty, Art, Liturgy

Adam and John spend some time with singer / songwriter / producer / remixer / noistrade founder / agitator Derek Webb talking about doubt, honesty, art, liturgy, community and much more. A 20+ year veteran of the music industry, Derek Webb has sold millions of albums as a founding member of Texas-based folk/rock band Caedmon’s Call, and ruffled political & spiritual feathers alike as a solo artist. He is also Co-Founder & President of the revolutionary tribe-building platform, NoiseTrade....


Ep 8 - Peter Rollins "Pyro Theology"

We talk with philosopher/theologian Pete Rollins about the true meaning of belief, deconstruction, pyro theology, backwards evangelism and so much more Peter is a provocative writer, philosopher, storyteller and public speaker who has gained an international reputation for overturning traditional notions of religion and forming “churches” that preach the Good News that we can’t be satisfied, that life is difficult, and that we don’t know the secret. Challenging the idea that faith concerns...


"Bible Series" Epilogue

John and Adam conclude the 3 part Bible series with some final thoughts, rants, opinions, suggestions and some great recommended readings! James K.A. Smith - Who's Afraid of Postmodernism? Chapter 2 John Sailhammer - NIV Compact Commentary ANYTHING by Walter Brueggeman - specifically his short book “Struggling with Scripture” Karen Armstrong - The Bible: The Biography (and God: A Biography, The Case for God) Marcus Borg - Reading the Bible again for the first time Edmund Clowney - The...


Ep 7- "The Bible" Part 3 Ft. Dr. Alexander Shaia

Adam and John bring the Bible series to a close with Dr. Alexander FREAKING Shaia! Alexander discusses his beautiful perspectives on the four Gospels which introduce a new (yet ancient) way of seeing these accounts of Jesus the Christ. Are the Gospels merely biographies of the life of Jesus? Are we supposed to find some significance in the facts of his life? Maybe there was a deeper, richer, more inviting, disturbing and transformative meaning there from the very beginning. What if...


Ep 6 "The Bible" Part 2 w/ Tim Mackie of The Bible Project

Continuing their series on "The Bible", John and Adam spend some time with the brilliant and kind Dr. Timothy Mackie of The Bible Project. Dr. Mackie talks about what the Bible says it is. He focuses mainly on the Old Testament and invites us to consider that perhaps our 21st century, western christian way of approaching The Bible might be wrong. In fact, Dr. Mackie admits that we must be willing to admit at any moment that we could be wrong about all of this. This series is only an intro...


Ep 5 "Deconstructing The Bible" part 1

John and Adam kick off part 1 of a 3 part series on deconstructing how we view THE BIBLE. This book (which isn't really a book) is divisive and problematic. It was written thousands of years ago and has been interpreted over and over. Can we trust it? Should we just throw it out? Do we have to take it seriously? What does that mean? Adam and John try to take us to a place where we can ask: "Is it possible to bring this all down a few notches and chill a little?" Say tuned for the next 3...


Ep 4 - HERE! with ROB BELL!

Rob Bell joins us to talk about doubt, faith, getting it wrong and wrestling to get it right. We talk about his new book, as well as many other topics! There is never a dull or uninspiring moment when Rob is dropping some knowledge on us! This will be the first of many with Rob. Check out his new book "How to be HERE: Notes on the art of thriving" ABOUT ROB Rob Bell is a bestselling...


Ep 3 - Jason Dunlap "The Road From Dualism"

Special guest host Jason Dunlap takes us on his journey from a Catholic upbringing through atheism to a more expansive, spiritual perspective of reality. We discuss dualistic thinking that keeps us all imprisoned in a narrow, oppressive view of each other. We also touch on topics such as transcendence, eastern mysticism, grace, and the power of presence (not to mention crazy water crystals that teach us about the nature of reality) For a great read on transcending a dualistic frame of...


COMPACT DEBRIEF - "Doubting and Belonging??"

SHORT debrief on episode 2 - "doubting and belonging?" John and Adam want to make it clear that episode 2 is not about promoting church attendance or church in general. Just deliberate community. Even atheist philosopher Andre Comte-Sponville believes that deep, relational community is an essential component of human flourishing. Listen to this brief DEBRIEF on episode 2 and share your thoughts online at or email us at


Ep 2 - Simon Forsythe "Doubting and Belonging?"

Is it possible to belong without believing? Is community possible while going through a deconstruction process? Can we avoid the big mistake of making beliefs the central premise of our love and commitment to others? There has to be a better way. Adam and John discuss these concepts and more with a special co-host, the devilishly handsome, witty, warm (and sometimes glib) Pastor Simon Forsythe. Simon has an uncanny knack for bringing messy, diverse people together. People who believe...


Recommended Readings #1

Adam and John give a quick list of recommended reading for deconstructionists out there. More of these short episodes to come.


Ep 1 - Deconstruction: What? and Why?

What is deconstruction? Why is it a good idea? Who should participate in it? Who is welcome in this conversation? Show Notes: On this episode, John and Adam referenced a number of reading materials the listener might be interested in looking further into. Here is the article about using Derrida's notion of deconstruction on religion. Other Books referenced in this episode were Insurrection by Peter Rollins The Great Emergence by Phyllis Tickle Falling Upward by Richard Rohr