Cave To The Cross Apologetics

Setting The Stage We open our 14th book by setting the stage for The Great Debate. We cover the Forward by Eli Ayala and Preface by Joshua Pillows, who give the background for the debate and speakers. Then we dive into Dr. Greg Bahnsen's opening statement, where he uses most of his time covering what the debate is and what it isn't. He also covers why he's going to talk about the Christian form of theism and how the debate can be an objective matter and not a subjective one. TIMELINE: 00:00 - Introduction 03:39 - Forward By Eli Ayala (Revealed Apologetics) 09:07 - Preface To The Debate 14:56 - The Book's Format 16:34 - Bahnsen's Opening - Setting The Stage For The Debate 17:40 - 3 Reasons Why To Argue For Christian Theism Not General Theism 21:09 - Defining Your Terms & The Debate Is & Isn't 22:34 - 3 Reasons To Focus On Objective Matters, Not Subjective 26:32 - The Nature Of The Debate 29:20 - Conclusion BOOK LINKS: The Great Debate - Does God Exist? - Edited and Commentary by Joshua Pillows Debate Transcript Video The Bahnsen Institute All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Book 14 Announcement For our 14th book, we dive into one of the great moments for presuppositional apologetics. The debate between Greg Bahnsen and Gordon Stein in 1985 is a seminal watershed moment in apologetics history. Join us, starting next week, as we walk through the debate with the book The Great Debate edited and commented on by Joshua Pillows. BOOK LINKS: The Great Debate - Does God Exist? - Edited and Commentary by Joshua Pillows Debate Transcript Video The Bahnsen Institute All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Christianity Can Integrate With Science Christianity can integrate with science. In fact, the scientific revolution was only made possible because of the Christian worldview and those people who sought to discover just exactly how God ordered the universe. Only post-Enlightenment anachronistic history puts Christianity and science at odds with each other. So, this is our last plea to reject scientism and embrace a worldview that justifies true science. TIMELINE: 00:00 - Introduction 00:51 - How Should Christianity Integrate Science 01:50 - Suggestion 1 - The Two Realms Model 03:22 - Suggestion 2 - The Complementarian Model 05:06 - The Danger Of The Complementarian Model 09:14 - Suggestion 3 - The Presupposition Approach Model 10:27 - Suggestion 4 - The Practical Application Model 11:36 - Suggestion 5 - The Direct Interaction Model 13:40 - The Conflict This Model Causes 15:20 - When Should We Go Against The Experts In Science? 16:53 - Scenario 1 - Is There An Alt Bible Interpretation Available? 17:33 - Scenario 2 - A Set Of Experts That Goes Against The Other Experts 21:09 - Scenario 3 - If There Are Historic Or Philosophical Issues With Holding To The Majority Expert Views 26:00 - Scenario 4 - The Sociological Explanations For Forcing Majority Expert Views 27:44 - Scenario 5 - Theological Issues With Holding To Majority View 30:51 - Scenario 6 - Ideas That Go Against The Christian Worldview 32:41 - One Final Plea 34:53 - Conclusion BOOK LINKS: Scientism and Secularism - Learning to Respond to a Dangerous Ideology by J.P. Moreland Kindle Paperback Audible (FREE With Membership) Logos J.P. Moreland Website All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Can Science Integrate With Christianity? Now that we have knocked down scientism, are Christians left without being able to use science? Is science without the worldview that provided for its justification and moral guards? Why not at all, says J. P. Moreland who provides a foundation for how science integrate with Christianity. TIMELINE: 00:00 - Introduction 02:39 - Can You Integrate Science & Christianity? 08:11 - 2 Types Of Integration - Conceptual & Personal 11:47 - 3 Ways Science Provides Rational Truth Claims For Christians 12:37 - 1 - Direct Defense 15:28 - 2 - Polemics 16:26 - 3 - Positive Christian Explanations 18:21 - Conclusion BOOK LINKS: Scientism and Secularism - Learning to Respond to a Dangerous Ideology by J.P. Moreland Kindle Paperback Audible (FREE With Membership) Logos J.P. Moreland Website All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Why God Of The Gaps Is A Bad Objection While finishing our discussion on why methodological naturalism should be rejected, we deal with another bad objection to Christians having a place in the science world. The charge of believing in a "God of the gaps" is levied at Christians to scoff at their history in science. We take a look at it and offer up "nuh huh" and "you do it too"! TIMELINE: 00:00 - Introduction 03:01 - The 2 Reasons To Reject Methodological Naturalism 03:49 - Science Already Allows For Intelligence As An Explanation 06:52 - Human Sciences Allow Intelligence As An Explanation 07:46 - Distortion Of Natural Science To Keep Out Intelligence 13:43 - Responding To The Bad God Of The Gaps Objection 15:54 - Objection 1 - God Is Not Limited To Gaps 17:41 - Objection 2 - Not Offering Evidence In Ignorance But Positive Explanation 21:43 - Objection 3 - There Are Gaps That Need Explanation 23:16 - Two Ways God Acts Intelligently That Gives Us Explanations 26:33 - Empirical Vs. Historical Science Doesn't Count Out Intelligent Explanations 29:26 - Intelligence Design Differs From Creation Science 31:26 - Conclusion BOOK LINKS: Scientism and Secularism - Learning to Respond to a Dangerous Ideology by J.P. Moreland Kindle Paperback Audible (FREE With Membership) Logos J.P. Moreland Website All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

The Danger Of Methodological Naturalism Before we talk about how Christianity should integrate science, we need to talk about how NOT to do it. The dangers of methodological naturalism aren't realized for those in camps like theistic evolution. Here, we look at why methodological naturalism doesn't work out for those who want to have both God and evolution. TIMELINE: 00:00 - Introduction 01:16 - One Bad Way To Integrate Christianity & Naturalism 03:05 - Intelligent Design Intro 03:59 - The Blind Watchmaker Is A Bad Argument 06:18 - Intelligent Design IS A Science 07:19 - Methodological Naturalism Should Be Rejected 08:19 - What Is Theistic Evolutionists 10:46 - The Revival Of Methodological Naturalism 13:48 - What's Wrong With Theistic Evolution & Methodological Naturalism 17:03 - Failed Explanations For What Counts As Science 19:47 - Failed Explanation That Something Is Held Tentatively 21:16 - Failed Explanation That It Appeals To Natural Laws 22:35 - Conclusion BOOK LINKS: Scientism and Secularism - Learning to Respond to a Dangerous Ideology by J.P. Moreland Kindle Paperback Audible (FREE With Membership) Logos J.P. Moreland Website All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Fine Tuning, Consciousness, & Morality Finishing up on the 5 things science can't explain: Fine Tuning, Consciousness, & Morality. In a "physical only" science setting these ideas are best left alone. It winds up either with no reason to hold anyone accountable for anything or the need to discard scientism and possibly let theism into the picture. GASP! TIMELINE: 00:00 - Introduction 01:05 - Can't Explain 3 - Fine Tuning 04:40 - Naturalists Attempt To Explain Away Fine Tuning 06:57 - The Destruction Of The Multiverse Theory 09:45 - Can't Explain 4 - Origin Of Consciousness 12:13 - Science Fails To Provide An Explanation Of Mental States 13:54 - Science Fails To Provide An Explanation Mind-Body Relationship 17:12 - Why Science Fails At Mind-Body Relationship Explanation 20:31 - Can't Explain 5 - Morality, Rationality, & Esthetic Laws 23:54 - Conclusion BOOK LINKS: Scientism and Secularism - Learning to Respond to a Dangerous Ideology by J.P. Moreland Kindle Paperback Audible (FREE With Membership) Logos J.P. Moreland Website All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Science Can't Explain Origin Or Laws Looking at how philosophy first holds its place over science, we look at five things science can't explain - but Theism can. Two of those things it can't explain are origin or laws. That is, the origin of the universe and the fundamental laws of nature. You'd think this would be an area that science could tackle. However, naturalism fails to explain both, and science needs theism to get it started. TIMELINE: 00:00 - Introduction 01:58 - 5 Things Science Can't Explain But Theism Can 03:38 - There Are Many Things Science Can't Explain And That's Ok 04:36 - Can't Explain 1 - The Origin Of The Universe 04:57 - Philosophical Evidence Of The Beginning Of The Universe 08:58 - The Scientific Evidence Of The Beginning Of The Universe 12:12 - Something Comes From Nothing - How Science Cheats At Nothing 15:30 - The Cause Of The Universe Is Personal & How Science Fails To Explain Other 17:57 - 3 Reasons Science Can't Explain The Origin Of The Universe 21:02 - 2 Outcomes From The Result Of Science Not Being Able To Explain The Origin Of The Universe 23:18 - Can't Explain 2 - The Origin Of Fundamental Laws Of Nature 24:15 - Conclusion BOOK LINKS: Scientism and Secularism - Learning to Respond to a Dangerous Ideology by J.P. Moreland Kindle Paperback Audible (FREE With Membership) Logos J.P. Moreland Website All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Lairs, Evils Beasts, Lazy Gluttons On vacation this week, so this is my (Patrick's) message on the final portion of Titus, Titus 3:12-15. With epistle beginnings and endings, sometimes we glance over them and view them as superfluous or boring. But those are just as authoritative and important as any portion of God's Word to His Church. We read these sections, and we can meet the challenge - don't be bored, be active! Previous teaching on Titus - Lairs, Evils Beasts, Lazy Gluttons - Ep.328 - Titus 1:10-12 Sermon All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Philosophy's Authority Over Science Previously, we looked at the authority philosophy has over science, and now we look at philosophy's authority over science. From what beaker to grab to remembering equations to what to write in that peer-reviewed study, the initial steps one makes and concludes is all philosophical. Those most hurt? Scientists and atheists. Big mad. TIMELINE: 00:00 - Introduction 01:12 - The Autonomy Thesis Of Philosophy 03:51 - The Characteristics Of Science Comes From The Philosophers 05:34 - Methodological Naturalism Fails To Establish Causation 07:50 - 1st & 2nd Order Distinctions Needed Between Science & How To Do Science 09:03 - Philosophy Can Be Independent & More Authoritative Than Science 11:06 - Christians Don't Have To Freak Out Over Current Day Scientific Claims 13:25 - Methodological Naturalism Struggles To Keep Intelligent Design Out Of Science 15:19 - Ch. 11 - How Do We Explain Things? 16:00 - Two Types Of Explanations - Scientific & Personal 16:27 - Scientific Explanations Defined 19:00 - Personal Explanations Defined 22:16 - Criteria For Things That Are Scientific Unexplainable 28:34 - Conclusion BOOK LINKS: Scientism and Secularism - Learning to Respond to a Dangerous Ideology by J.P. Moreland Kindle Paperback Audible (FREE With Membership) Logos J.P. Moreland Website All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Education Is Classical Education We welcome Martin Cothran from Memoria Press today. Mr. Cothran is a proponent of one of the best educational models that has built the Western world. Education is classical education or it is not education. We discuss what is classical education, why it works, how it teaches both the mind and the whole person in virtue. We also discuss books, a dangerous subject with Mr. Cothran - dangerous for bank accounts. It was a true pleasure to talk with a hero of classical education. TIMELINE: 00:00:00 - Introduction 00:00:42 - Martin Cothran Introduction 00:01:50 - Previous Episodes On Education 00:03:06 - What Is Classical Education? 00:09:53 - Terminology Of Classical Education 00:13:11 - How Does Classical Education Shape The Intellectual & Moral Development? 00:17:40 - God's Story Helps Us Tell Our Story 00:22:29 - Education Builds Virtue; Govt Schools Can't Do This 00:24:59 - Why Is Classical Education The Way We Should Do Education? 00:34:20 - How Classical Education Helps Students Teach Themselves 00:42:53 - Classical Education Passes On Western Culture 00:49:16 - The Importance Of Books In Classical Education 00:54:55 - How To Read Good Books 01:05:19 - Cheryl Lowe And Memoria Press 01:10:33 - Conclusion LINKS: Martin Cothran Twitter Martin Cothran Facebook Memoria Press Memoria College 00:01:56 - Previous Education Episodes - Episode 191 + Episode 192 + Episode 286 + Episode 287 00:06:26 - A Defense Of Classical Education - R.W. Livingston 00:09:28 - Passing The Torch - Louis Markos Kindle Paperback Audible 00:17:28 - Why Johnny Can't Tell Right From Wrong - William Kilpatrick 00:25:05 - The Seven Liberal Arts, a Study in Mediaeval Culture by Paul Abelson 00:55:05 - Adam On The Road - Elizbeth Janet Gray Paperback Audible 00:56:07 - Romans Road Press 00:58:26 - Charlotte's Web - E. B. White Kindle Paperback Audible 00:58:54 - The Iliad For Boys And Girls - Alfred J. Church Kindle Paperback 01:00:27 - Little Women (Great Illustrated Classics) - Louisa May Alcott Kindle Hardcover 01:02:20 - Tales From Shakespeare - Charles And Mary Lamb Kindle Paperback Audible 01:03:04 - The Meaning Of Shakespeare - Harold Goddard Kindle Paperback 01:03:08 - Shakespeare - Harold Bloom 01:04:03 - No Fear Shakespeare All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

The Authority Of Philosophy Over Science If you think the atheists are mad and don't watch our videos before commenting, wait till they don't see this one! In continuing the argument that philosophy should be considered first before one considers their science, we look at how the authority of philosophy is not only substantiated by philosophers but even by scientists who want to try and get around philosophy. Also, when they come into conflict with issues within their framework, they don't show you a science experiment but give you a philosophical argument. Suspicious, indeed! TIMELINE: 00:00 - Introduction 01:33 - Authority And Autonomy In Philosophy 02:47 - Authority Of Philosophy Over Science 05:14 - Philosophical Claims Greater Than Scientific For The Beginning Of Everything 07:21 - Stephen Hawking's Failure To Have No Beginning Of The Universe 09:08 - Philosophers Show How Hawking Is Wrong 13:21 - Science Fails To Talk About Nothing When They Say Something About Nothing 15:54 - Science Fails To Discover The Origin Of Life; But Philosophy Does Better 21:41 - Conclusion BOOK LINKS: Scientism and Secularism - Learning to Respond to a Dangerous Ideology by J.P. Moreland Kindle Paperback Audible (FREE With Membership) Logos J.P. Moreland Website All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Philosophy First! The goal is not to reject science. It's understanding the failure that scientism provides when it comes to understanding. However, adopting a philosophy first framework provides the foundation for science to function (and the presuppositions needed for the necessary preconditions of intelligibility). So he's the case for adopting First Philosophy. TIMELINE: 00:00 - Introduction 01:44 - Recovering Philosophy First In Knowledge 03:07 - Two Benefits Of 1st Philosophy 03:45 - The War Against 1st Philosophy 05:07 - The Two Theses Of 1st Philosophy 06:30 - The Negative Outcomes Of Rejecting 1st Philosophy 07:35 - The Purpose Of Philosophy According To Scientism 09:48 - Why They Reject 1st Philosophy - Starting Assumptions 11:09 - Why They Reject 1st Philosophy - Disagreement Among Philosophy 12:40 - Why They Reject 1st Philosophy - Cartesian Certainty 13:35 - Foundationalism Vs. Cartesian Certainty 17:53 - Cartesian Certainty Impossibility 22:20 - Conclusion BOOK LINKS: Scientism and Secularism - Learning to Respond to a Dangerous Ideology by J.P. Moreland Kindle Paperback Audible (FREE With Membership) Logos J.P. Moreland Website All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Scientism Is Not All In The Head Here's a case study in which desiring only naturalist scientific explanations won't get you anywhere - consciousness. When it comes to the mind, one either has to reject the mind and therefore consciousness or reject a purely naturalistic science. Scientism is not all in the head, it seems. TIMELINE: 00:00 - Introduction 00:59 - The Human Consciousness Speaks Against Scientism 01:27 - Defining Our Terms - 3rd Person Vs. 1st Person POV 03:17 - What Is Consciousness & How Does One Know They Are 05:34 - The Immaterial Dualism Of Consciousness 08:21 - 5 Reasons Mental States Are Not Physical 08:27 - Mental States Are Feeling States 09:25 - Mental States Are Directed About An Object 10:40 - Mental States Are Internal & Private To Only One Person 11:49 - Mental States Are Subjective 12:07 - Mental States Fail to Have Crucial Features 12:51 - Human Consciousness Destroys Naturalism-Only Scientism 14:49 - Philosophical Behaviorism Failed To Naturalize Consciousness 16:34 - Type Identity Theory Failed To Naturalize Consciousness 18:44 - Functionalism Failed To Naturalize Consciousness 21:32 - Naturalistic Scientism Has Ruined Ideas Of Consciousness 24:30 - Conclusion BOOK LINKS: Scientism and Secularism - Learning to Respond to a Dangerous Ideology by J.P. Moreland Kindle Paperback Audible (FREE With Membership) Logos J.P. Moreland Website All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Other Sources Of Knowledge Well, if science doesn't give us all knowledge, what are other sources of knowledge? Well here are three areas where we not only obtain knowledge but we tend to have more confidence in it - than even science. TIMELINE: 00:00 - Introduction 02:04 - Science Is Showy, Philosophy Is Talky 05:16 - Scientism Has Invaded The Church 07:56 - Scientism Diminishes Other Disciplines That Provide Truth 09:14 - Why Reject Weak Scientism Specifically 12:20 - Weak Scientism Gives Too Much Weight To Claims And Not To Underlying Assumptions 14:03 - Weak Scientism Gives Don't Give Enough Weight Underlying Assumptions Deserve 15:38 - What View Makes Better Sense Of Reality 19:37 - Conclusion BOOK LINKS: Scientism and Secularism - Learning to Respond to a Dangerous Ideology by J.P. Moreland Kindle Paperback Audible (FREE With Membership) Logos J.P. Moreland Website All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Weak Scientism Is Weak Ok, strong scientism is bad because it denies any other field the ability to provide truth and in making the claim it becomes self-refuting. But what about weak scientism which lets a few areas have their claims to help support the Science(TM)? Well even weak scientism is weak and must be rejected. Find out why in this episode. Or comment on it without watching it like the atheists do. TIMELINE: 00:00 - Introduction 02:04 - Science Is Showy, Philosophy Is Talky 05:16 - Scientism Has Invaded The Church 07:56 - Scientism Diminishes Other Disciplines That Provide Truth 09:14 - Why Reject Weak Scientism Specifically 12:20 - Weak Scientism Gives Too Much Weight To Claims And Not To Underlying Assumptions 14:03 - Weak Scientism Gives Don't Give Enough Weight Underlying Assumptions Deserve 15:38 - What View Makes Better Sense Of Reality 19:37 - Conclusion BOOK LINKS: Scientism and Secularism - Learning to Respond to a Dangerous Ideology by J.P. Moreland Kindle Paperback Audible (FREE With Membership) Logos J.P. Moreland Website All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Lairs, Evils Beasts, Lazy Gluttons We are taking a break for the 4th of July weekend but you can listen to the message I taught on Titus 1:10-12 to my (Patrick's) church's college group. Here I discuss the types of false teachers Titus will encounter on the island of Crete and why the Greeks on Crete are like the way they are. Having been reading Greek writings this year has helped in the background prep of this. Who knew a classical education and its content would help with learning?! All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Presuppositions Of Science We look at how scientism destroys science by denying the ability to do science. How is that the case? Because scientism denies the six presuppositions of science. We discuss that here. TIMELINE: 00:00 - Introduction 02:59 - Science Has Presuppositions 04:53 - Presupposition #1 - A World Exists Outside Of Humanity 07:09 - Someone Actually Thinks There Isn't?! 09:17 - Presupposition #2 - The Nature Of The World Is Orderly 16:33 - Presupposition #3 - Objective Truth Exists 18:54 - Presupposition #4 - Humanity Is Able To Discover & Know Truth 25:38 - Presupposition #5 - Values & Oughts Exist 28:43 - Presupposition #6 - Laws Of Logic & Mathematics Exist 31:29 - But Scientists Still Believe These Things - Exactly 32:25 - Conclusion BOOK LINKS: Scientism and Secularism - Learning to Respond to a Dangerous Ideology by J.P. Moreland Kindle Paperback Audible (FREE With Membership) Logos J.P. Moreland Website All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Scientism Is Self-Refuting Now that we've defined our terms about scientism, what makes it so dangerous? Here we introduce that scientism is self-refuting. This matters because the claims scientism makes means that it then makes science impossible to do. Moreland gives six presuppositions that actual science rests upon and in upcoming episodes we'll look at those presuppositions. TIMELINE: 00:00 - Introduction 03:09 - Strong Scientism Is Self-Refuting 04:32 - What Self-Refuting Actually Means 06:24 - Examples Of Self-Refuting 08:29 - Wrong Vs. Self-Refuting Claims 10:51 - Why Is Strong Scientism Self-Refuting? 12:21 - No Amount Of Research Will Change It 14:40 - Scientism Is the Enemy of Science 15:25 - Scientism Actually Destroys Science 16:41 - Philosophical Presuppositions To Do Science 19:39 - 6 Presuppositions One Needs To Do Science 21:22 - The Issues Scientism Has With The 6 Presuppositions Of Science 22:18 - Conclusion BOOK LINKS: Scientism and Secularism - Learning to Respond to a Dangerous Ideology by J.P. Moreland Kindle Paperback Audible (FREE With Membership) Logos J.P. Moreland Website All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

The Ugly Source Of Scientism Where did scientism come from? What is the ugly source of scientism? Would anyone be shocked to learn that the love of war and government overreach has led to negative outcomes? This includes universities divorcing their ethics lessons from everything but the humanities. Now, the source for moralism in college is...football? TIMELINE: 00:00 - Introduction 01:19 - Scientism Has Led To Increased Hostility Towards Christianity 02:11 - Scientism Has Hurt The Church 03:56 - Scientism Attempts To Redefine Faith & Christianity 10:50 - Scientism Has Hurt Christian Parents 13:58 - Where Did Scientism Come From? 16:58 - We Used to Be A Proper University 21:45 - War & Government Changed University Education Forever - Shocking! 29:53 - The Burden Of Ethics Fell Onto The Humanities & Sports 32:16 - Aristotle, Moses, Jesus...Joe Montana? 33:47 - Where We Now Find Ourselves 34:58 - The Church Now Has An Opportunity 36:42 - Conclusion BOOK LINKS: Scientism and Secularism - Learning to Respond to a Dangerous Ideology by J.P. Moreland Kindle Paperback Audible (FREE With Membership) Logos J.P. Moreland Website All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com