Real Talk

Last week we celebrated 508 years of the Reformation but how much thought did we actually give it? Joining us for a discussion on the history of the Reformation is prolific author and historian Douglas Bond. We speak about the context that bred the need for Reformation, the impact it made and what it actually means to “always be reforming.” We hope this episodes encourages you in knowing all history is God’s history! Be sure to check out all of Bond’s work including his most newest Advent family devotional, Infant Holy, Infant Lowly. You can see all of Bond's work at www.bondsbook.net And be sure to check out Reformed Perspective's Bond book reviews! Leave a comment or reach out to let us know what you thought of this episode and if you found it at all helpful please share it with your family and friends! A BIG THANKS TO OUR OFFICIAL SPONSOR, TRIVAN! WE APPRECIATE YOU HELPING US MAKE THIS CONVERSATION POSSIBLE. BE SURE TO CHECK THEM OUT AT WWW.TRIVAN.COM To keep up with the podcast, check out our website: https://www.realtalkpodcast.ca/ Follow us on Facebook and Instagram for updates, clips, and more! Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ReformedRealTalk Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/reformedrealtalk/ We'd love to hear from you. Please send us your questions, comments, or other feedback at realtalk@reformedperspective.ca. Thanks for listening! If you liked what you heard, please share this podcast with your family and friends!

You may have heard of Classical Education but do you know what it actually is? To answer this question, we are joined by Doug Sikkema and Jesse Newton, our new friends from Oakhill Christian Academy. We discuss the model and goal of Classical Christian Education and whether this is something that the Reformed schools are missing. We also chat about Oakhill, its s and why you should view Classical Christian Education as a potential option for your children. If you want to learn more about Oakhill, check out oakhillhamilton.ca A BIG THANKS TO OUR SPONSOR, NEERALTA, BUILDERS OF GRAIN STORAGE AND HANDLING EQUIPMENT. BE SURE TO CHECK THEM OUT AT WWW. NEERLATA.COM! To keep up with the podcast, check out our website: https://www.realtalkpodcast.ca/ Follow us on Facebook and Instagram for updates, clips, and more! Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ReformedRealTalk Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/reformedrealtalk/ We'd love to hear from you. Please send us your questions, comments, or other feedback at realtalk@reformedperspective.ca. Thanks for listening! If you liked what you heard, please share this podcast with your family and friends!

Dr. Van Dam is back for the third time to finish off our series on the offices of the Church! We discuss his book, The Elder and deal with some hot topics such as, should elders be elected for terms or a lifetime? Are home visits really all that effective and what about woman voting? To learn more, pick up a copy of The Elder here. Be sure to let us know what you think of this episode and if you found it at all helpful please share it with your family and friends! A BIG THANKS TO OUR OFFICIAL SPONSOR, TRIVAN! WE APPRECIATE YOU HELPING US MAKE THIS CONVERSATION POSSIBLE. BE SURE TO CHECK THEM OUT AT WWW.TRIVAN.COM To keep up with the podcast, check out our website: https://www.realtalkpodcast.ca/ Follow us on Facebook and Instagram for updates, clips, and more! Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ReformedRealTalk Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/reformedrealtalk/ We'd love to hear from you. Please send us your questions, comments, or other feedback at realtalk@reformedperspective.ca. Thanks for listening! If you liked what you heard, please share this podcast with your family and friends!

We are talking headship, submission and all things gender roles today. Joining us for this conversation is biblical counsellor, Andrea Kampen. We discuss what the Bible actually says about understanding the differences between men and women, how society can distort these differences, and why the Bible, rather than tradition, must be our foundation for this issue. Listen to find out who actually does the dishes! A BIG THANKS TO OUR OFFICIAL SPONSOR, TRIVAN! WE APPRECIATE YOU HELPING US MAKE THIS CONVERSATION POSSIBLE. BE SURE TO CHECK THEM OUT AT WWW.TRIVAN.COM To keep up with the podcast, check out our website: https://www.realtalkpodcast.ca/ Follow us on Facebook and Instagram for updates, clips, and more! Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ReformedRealTalk Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/reformedrealtalk/ We'd love to hear from you. Please send us your questions, comments, or other feedback at realtalk@reformedperspective.ca. Thanks for listening! If you liked what you heard, please share this podcast with your family and friends!

Do you find yourself left with more questions than answers when you read the Old Testament? To help answer some of these tough Old Testament questions is CRTS Professor, Dr. Jannes Smith. Dr. Smith guides us through topics such as giants, justification, and challenging texts that can even seem offensive to modern readers. We even discuss whether the Church should be pro-Israel. This is an episode you don’t want to miss! A BIG THANKS TO OUR OFFICIAL SPONSOR, TRIVAN! WE APPRECIATE YOU HELPING US MAKE THIS CONVERSATION POSSIBLE. BE SURE TO CHECK THEM OUT AT WWW.TRIVAN.COM To keep up with the podcast, check out our website: https://www.realtalkpodcast.ca/ Follow us on Facebook and Instagram for updates, clips, and more! Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ReformedRealTalk Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/reformedrealtalk/ We'd love to hear from you. Please send us your questions, comments, or other feedback at realtalk@reformedperspective.ca. Thanks for listening! If you liked what you heard, please share this podcast with your family and friends!

On August 1st, Veya Hope VanderBrugghen was taken home to her Heavenly Father. Joining us to tell Veya’s story is her mom, Krystal VanderBrugghen. Although recorded in July, Krystal and her husband, Jeremy, supported us in still releasing this episode as they seek to honour their daughter’s life by bringing to light the injustices they faced in her care. Their hope is to help other families in similar situations and to work towards making a change to a system that doesn’t view every life as precious and valuable. You can learn more by following Krystal on Instagram @krystallynne.vdb A BIG THANKS TO OUR OFFICIAL SPONSOR, TRIVAN! WE APPRECIATE YOU HELPING US MAKE THIS CONVERSATION POSSIBLE. BE SURE TO CHECK THEM OUT AT WWW.TRIVAN.COM To keep up with the podcast, check out our website: https://www.realtalkpodcast.ca/ Follow us on Facebook and Instagram for updates, clips, and more! Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ReformedRealTalk Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/reformedrealtalk/ We'd love to hear from you. Please send us your questions, comments, or other feedback at realtalk@reformedperspective.ca. Thanks for listening! If you liked what you heard, please share this podcast with your family and friends!

Do we prioritize the Psalms in worship, or do we prefer hymns? Does this mean anything when it comes to theological drift? Joining Lucas for this father-son conversation is Pastor Peter Holtvlüwer, the editor of the Christ Psalms, Our Psalms resources. We address some common objections to the primacy of Psalm singing and even delve into some of the decisions made at the last CanRef synod regarding music in worship. Let us know what you think! Be sure to check out the Christ’s Psalms, Our Psalms resources! As mentioned, we are seeking a new studio space in the Ancaster/Brantford area. If you have any leads, please email realtalk@reformedperspective.ca. We’d love to hear from you! BIG THANKS TO OUR OFFICIAL SPONSOR, TRIVAN! WE APPRECIATE YOU HELPING US MAKE THIS CONVERSATION POSSIBLE. BE SURE TO CHECK THEM OUT AT WWW.TRIVAN.COM To keep up with the podcast, check out our website: https://www.realtalkpodcast.ca/ Follow us on Facebook and Instagram for updates, clips, and more! Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ReformedRealTalk Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/reformedrealtalk/ We'd love to hear from you. Please send us your questions, comments, or other feedback at realtalk@reformedperspective.ca. Thanks for listening! If you liked what you heard, please share this podcast with your family and friends!

Why is marriage so hard? If you're single, does marriage scare you? We are grateful to have our friend, Pastor Matt King, join us to discuss the real struggles in marriage, but also the real hope we find in God’s beautiful design, which points us to the glory and grace found in Christ. We hope this episode encourages you to see the goodness and beauty of marriage in whatever season you’re in. Check out Insight Biblical Counselling and Broomtree Care. They are willing and able to help. Be sure to send your thoughts, questions and concerns to realtalk@reformedperspective.ca. A BIG THANKS TO OUR OFFICIAL SPONSOR, TRIVAN! WE APPRECIATE YOU HELPING US MAKE THIS CONVERSATION POSSIBLE. BE SURE TO CHECK THEM OUT AT WWW.TRIVAN.COM To keep up with the podcast, check out our website: https://www.realtalkpodcast.ca/ Follow us on Facebook and Instagram for updates, clips, and more! Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ReformedRealTalk Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/reformedrealtalk/ We'd love to hear from you. Please send us your questions, comments, or other feedback at realtalk@reformedperspective.ca. Thanks for listening! If you liked what you heard, please share this podcast with your family and friends!

Is it possible to make abortion unthinkable? Joining Tyler to answer this question are Nick and Maaike Rosendal from the Canadian Centre for Bioethical Relief. We discuss what CCBR is, their strategies and why they believe graphic abortion images and apologetical arguments are the most effective tools in changing people’s minds. We also explore reasons to be hopeful in the pro-life fight. We hope this episode inspires and encourages you to think about how you can be a voice for the voiceless. To learn more and to get involved, be sure to check out CCBR at www.endthekilling.ca A BIG THANKS TO OUR OFFICIAL SPONSOR, TRIVAN! WE APPRECIATE YOU HELPING US MAKE THIS CONVERSATION POSSIBLE. BE SURE TO CHECK THEM OUT AT WWW.TRIVAN.COM To keep up with the podcast, check out our website: https://www.realtalkpodcast.ca/ Follow us on Facebook and Instagram for updates, clips, and more! Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ReformedRealTalk Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/reformedrealtalk/ We'd love to hear from you. Please send us your questions, comments, or other feedback at realtalk@reformedperspective.ca. Thanks for listening! If you liked what you heard, please share this podcast with your family and friends!

Does the Bible have anything to say about economics? How should Christians think about the current trade wars? Join Lucas and Economics Professor, Dr. Caleb Fuller, for a discussion on his book, Mere Economics. We address many of these hot-button issues, as well as how to think critically about the economic decisions we make every day, whether we realize it or not. Want to learn more? Let us know if you want a part 2 of this conversation, and be sure to pick up a copy of Mere Economics. BIG THANKS TO OUR OFFICIAL SPONSOR, TRIVAN! WE APPRECIATE YOU HELPING US MAKE THIS CONVERSATION POSSIBLE. BE SURE TO CHECK THEM OUT AT WWW.TRIVAN.COM To keep up with the podcast, check out our website: https://www.realtalkpodcast.ca/ Follow us on Facebook and Instagram for updates, clips, and more! Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ReformedRealTalk Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/reformedrealtalk/ We'd love to hear from you. Please send us your questions, comments, or other feedback at realtalk@reformedperspective.ca. Thanks for listening! If you liked what you heard, please share this podcast with your family and friends!

Joining us for a two-part series on the officers of the Church is returning guest, Dr. Van Dam. We discuss his book, The Deacon, examining the biblical foundations for the ministry of mercy, the arguments for and against deaconesses, and how we can effectively support the work of deacons in our own churches. We hope this episode gives you a revived appreciation for the deaconry as they carry out the work of Christ amongst the needy. Be sure to check out the list of related resources below. The Deacon. Ep. 122 - Money Doesn't Heal Poverty 0:00 - Intro 4:00 - Old Testament 13:30 - New Testament 23:00 - Voting vs. Casting Lots 25:00 - Qualifications 27:00 - Deaconess 36:00 - How Women Serve 40:00 - Deacons are not second-class 46:30 - Consistory vs. Council 50:00 - Separation of Budget and Deaconry 54:00 - Deacon’s & the Lord’s Supper 57:00 - Giving in the Worship Service 1:01:00 - Deacons as Stewards 1:11:00 - Family First 1:19:00 - The State BIG THANKS TO OUR OFFICIAL SPONSOR, TRIVAN! WE APPRECIATE YOU HELPING US MAKE THIS CONVERSATION POSSIBLE. BE SURE TO CHECK THEM OUT AT WWW.TRIVAN.COM To keep up with the podcast, check out our website: https://www.realtalkpodcast.ca/ Follow us on Facebook and Instagram for updates, clips, and more! Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ReformedRealTalk Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/reformedrealtalk/ We'd love to hear from you. Please send us your questions, comments, or other feedback at realtalk@reformedperspective.ca. Thanks for listening! If you liked what you heard, please share this podcast with your family and friends!

It’s one thing to have "real talk", but it’s another to actually apply it to life. It has been a while since we last got together so we thought it was time to do a special round-up recapping how these last six months of episodes have impacted our lives. Using the theme from the well-known book Just Do Something by Kevin DeYoung we chat about how we are all called to do something and how Real Talk has been helping us do this. We hope the same is true for you! If you haven’t yet, be sure to read Just Do Something. It is well worth your time! 0:00 - Intro 3:46 - Just Do Something A BIG THANKS TO OUR OFFICIAL SPONSOR, TRIVAN! WE APPRECIATE YOU HELPING US MAKE THIS CONVERSATION POSSIBLE. BE SURE TO CHECK THEM OUT AT WWW.TRIVAN.COM To keep up with the podcast, check out our website: https://www.realtalkpodcast.ca/ Follow us on Facebook and Instagram for updates, clips, and more! Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ReformedRealTalk Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/reformedrealtalk/ We'd love to hear from you. Please send us your questions, comments, or other feedback at realtalk@reformedperspective.ca. Thanks for listening! If you liked what you heard, please share this podcast with your family and friends!

An episode for all ages! Joining us all the way from Colorado is Bruce Bruinsma from Retirement Reformation. We chat about how retirement is different when you’re a Christian, why young people should prepare now and how there is purpose in every stage of life. Let us know what you think! Be sure to check out Retirement Reformation for more resources! And be sure to check out these RP articles on Retirement here: "Christians Don't Retire" "Seniors - Florida Does Not Exist" 0:00 - Introduction 9:29 - Understanding God’s Plan 17:00 - Defining Retirement 20:00 - How Should Young People Prepare? 25:50 - Life Stages 36:00 - Common Issues 43:00 - Purpose in Retirement 55:00 - Snowbird Culture A BIG THANKS TO OUR SPONSOR, NEERALTA, BUILDERS OF GRAIN STORAGE AND HANDLING EQUIPMENT. BE SURE TO CHECK THEM OUT AT WWW. NEERLATA.COM! To keep up with the podcast, check out our website: https://www.realtalkpodcast.ca/ Follow us on Facebook and Instagram for updates, clips, and more! Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ReformedRealTalk Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/reformedrealtalk/ We'd love to hear from you. Please send us your questions, comments, or other feedback at realtalk@reformedperspective.ca. Thanks for listening! If you liked what you heard, please share this podcast with your family and friends!

Joining us for this important conversation is Word & Deed’s, Rick Postma. We chat about what poverty is, Word & Deed’s approach, and how the West's approach is not the fix it seems to be. We also discuss global persecution and the power of prayer. Be sure to listen all the way through to hear some amazing stories of how God is working around the world. Check out Word & Deed here! 0:00 - Rick’s Story 8:00 - What is Poverty? 18:00 - View of Self 30:00 - How Word & Deed Helps 36:30 - Western Approach 55:17 - Corrupt Government 1:07:50 - Persecution 1:24:00 - Bad Ideas 1:23 - Supporting Word and Deed A BIG THANKS TO OUR OFFICIAL SPONSOR, TRIVAN! WE APPRECIATE YOU HELPING US MAKE THIS CONVERSATION POSSIBLE. BE SURE TO CHECK THEM OUT AT WWW.TRIVAN.COM To keep up with the podcast, check out our website: https://www.realtalkpodcast.ca/ Follow us on Facebook and Instagram for updates, clips, and more! Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ReformedRealTalk Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/reformedrealtalk/ We'd love to hear from you. Please send us your questions, comments, or other feedback at realtalk@reformedperspective.ca. Thanks for listening! If you liked what you heard, please share this podcast with your family and friends!

This one has been a long time coming! Honoured to be joined by returning guest Pastor Al Bezuyen and our new friend, Tyler Witthoeft. In the context of their stories, we chat about young men’s struggles and the importance of discipleship in developing godly men who lead well. Gospel-centred and saturated, we hope this episode inspires you to think more deeply on what it means to be a godly man. If you want to hear more about Pastor Al’s story, check out Episode 9 of Real Talk. 0:00 - Intro 3:14 - Tyler’s Story 10:00 - Discipleship 32:00 - A Godly man 56:00 - Devotions A BIG THANKS TO OUR OFFICIAL SPONSOR, TRIVAN! WE APPRECIATE YOU HELPING US MAKE THIS CONVERSATION POSSIBLE. BE SURE TO CHECK THEM OUT AT WWW.TRIVAN.COM To keep up with the podcast, check out our website: https://www.realtalkpodcast.ca/ Follow us on Facebook and Instagram for updates, clips, and more! Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ReformedRealTalk Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/reformedrealtalk/ We'd love to hear from you. Please send us your questions, comments, or other feedback at realtalk@reformedperspective.ca. Thanks for listening! If you liked what you heard, please share this podcast with your family and friends!

Jojo Ruba joins us for this important conversation on love, identity and sexuality. We discuss his upcoming book that responds to the world’s assumptions about these issues. We also discuss the importance of understanding identity and why saying “gay Christian” is unbiblical. And we even delve into how the LGBTQ movement is creating issues with in our own local community. You don’t want to miss this one! Be sure to let us know if you have any feedback, We’d love to hear it. If you want to learn more be sure to check out www. redeemingconversations.ca 0:00 - Intro 6:30 - Identity 20:30 - Love as affirmation 26:00 - Male and Female 34:40 - Different kinds of Love 38:30 - Infiltration 46:00 - High School Sports 1:00:00 - Pronouns A BIG THANKS TO OUR OFFICIAL SPONSOR, TRIVAN! WE APPRECIATE YOU HELPING US MAKE THIS CONVERSATION POSSIBLE. BE SURE TO CHECK THEM OUT AT WWW.TRIVAN.COM To keep up with the podcast, check out our website: https://www.realtalkpodcast.ca/ Follow us on Facebook and Instagram for updates, clips, and more! Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ReformedRealTalk Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/reformedrealtalk/ We'd love to hear from you. Please send us your questions, comments, or other feedback at realtalk@reformedperspective.ca. Thanks for listening! If you liked what you heard, please share this podcast with your family and friends!

With everything going on north and south of the border, we thought it was time for a political update! Joining us is returning guest and ARPA’s Executive Director, Mike Schouten. Along with an ARPA update, we chat about Mark Carney, a possible election and how we should consider our Christian responsibility in Canada. Be sure to let us know what you think! If you want to learn more about Mark’s personal story and how that has impacted his work, check out Episode 64 of Real Talk. 0:00 - Intro 5:40 - Mark Carney 13:00 - Politicians and Podcasts 17:00 - Prorogation 25:00 - US 39:00 - Tariffs 42:00 - Provincial Legislation 54:00 - Gambling 59:00 - Cases in the Courts 1:06:30 - Youth Involvement 1:12:00 - ARPA Staff Updates 1:15:00 - Vision for the Future A BIG THANKS TO OUR OFFICIAL SPONSOR, TRIVAN! WE APPRECIATE YOU HELPING US MAKE THIS CONVERSATION POSSIBLE. BE SURE TO CHECK THEM OUT AT WWW.TRIVAN.COM To keep up with the podcast, check out our website: https://www.realtalkpodcast.ca/ Follow us on Facebook and Instagram for updates, clips, and more! Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ReformedRealTalk Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/reformedrealtalk/ We'd love to hear from you. Please send us your questions, comments, or other feedback at realtalk@reformedperspective.ca. Thanks for listening! If you liked what you heard, please share this podcast with your family and friends!

Such an important conversation for you today! NYC Pastor Paul Murphy joined us to share his story and to talk about the importance of evangelism as a way of life. We primarily discuss why and how our (Dutch) Reformed Churches struggle to evangelize and do it well. We also get into what truly should motivate evangelism: love for God and love for the lost. We hope this episode encourages and inspires you to really think about your love for the lost and the importance of sharing the Gospel, for it truly is a matter of life or death. Check out Rev. Murphy’s booklet “A Humble Effort to Promote Local Evangelism” https://www.bethelurcaylmer.com/uploads/7/9/8/6/79863340/ahumbleefforttopromotelocalevangelismbooklet.pdf 0:00 - Intro 9:00 - Paul’s Conversion 16:43 - Evangelism vs. Missions 18:00 - “The Missional Church” 25:00 - Programming Hearts 37:00 - Seeker Sensitive 40:00 - Heart of Worship 45:00 - Great Commission 55:00 - Retaining the Youth 1:03:00 - Reaching People, not Targets 1:10:00 - Being a Steward in Evangelism 1:15:00 - Fear of God 1:23:00 - Indifference 1:29:00 - Hell A BIG THANKS TO OUR OFFICIAL SPONSOR, TRIVAN! WE APPRECIATE YOU HELPING US MAKE THIS CONVERSATION POSSIBLE. BE SURE TO CHECK THEM OUT AT WWW.TRIVAN.COM To keep up with the podcast, check out our website: https://www.realtalkpodcast.ca/ Follow us on Facebook and Instagram for updates, clips, and more! Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ReformedRealTalk Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/reformedrealtalk/ We'd love to hear from you. Please send us your questions, comments, or other feedback at realtalk@reformedperspective.ca. Thanks for listening! If you liked what you heard, please share this podcast with your family and friends!

Happy Monday! We got a big one for you this week. Joining Tyler for this conversation is avid BC hunter Jerry Pol. We wanted to sit down to chat about hunting, its ethics and what it actually means to hunt as a Christian. If you’re an avid hunter or have never hunted before, we hope this episode inspires you to GET OUTSIDE and think about hunting as more than a hobby but as a way to better appreciate and steward God’s creation. 0:00 - Intro 6:09 - Jerry’s Story 23:00 - Stillness 36:00 - Field to Table 41:00 - Hunting for the Right Reasons 49:00 - Receiving Judgement 1:00:16 - Trophy Hunting 1:05:00 - Hunting for food 1:16:00 - Conservation 1:28:00 - Considering Others 1:30:00 - Politics 1:40:00 - Thriving A BIG THANKS TO OUR OFFICIAL SPONSOR, TRIVAN! WE APPRECIATE YOU HELPING US MAKE THIS CONVERSATION POSSIBLE. BE SURE TO CHECK THEM OUT AT WWW.TRIVAN.COM To keep up with the podcast, check out our website: https://www.realtalkpodcast.ca/ Follow us on Facebook and Instagram for updates, clips, and more! Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ReformedRealTalk Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/reformedrealtalk/ We'd love to hear from you. Please send us your questions, comments, or other feedback at realtalk@reformedperspective.ca. Thanks for listening! If you liked what you heard, please share this podcast with your family and friends!

Is AI all bad? Is it actually taking over? How should we engage with it? Join Lucas AND Tyler as they chat with the good guys at Faith to Film all about AI. We cover what it is, the ethical dilemmas it presents and what this ever changing technology means for the Church. Let us know what you think! 0:00 - Intro 2:40 - What is AI? 6:00 - AI In Media 13:00 - AI Possibilites 29:00 - The Arms Race For AI 33:00 - AI and Education 51:00 - Ethical Dilemmas 1:18:00 - What does this mean for the Church? A BIG THANKS TO OUR OFFICIAL SPONSOR, TRIVAN! WE APPRECIATE YOU HELPING US MAKE THIS CONVERSATION POSSIBLE. BE SURE TO CHECK THEM OUT AT WWW.TRIVAN.COM To keep up with the podcast, check out our website: https://www.realtalkpodcast.ca/ Follow us on Facebook and Instagram for updates, clips, and more! Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ReformedRealTalk Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/reformedrealtalk/ We'd love to hear from you. Please send us your questions, comments, or other feedback at realtalk@reformedperspective.ca. Thanks for listening! If you liked what you heard, please share this podcast with your family and friends!