Ministry Without Hating It

When you define ministry, is the first thing you think of, “your life”? It is for this episode’s guest, Pastor and Missions Worker, Tim Wimberly. But Tim’s response doesn’t come from an overly spiritual place, but rather from witnessing first hand God’s faithfulness through 38+ years of a life given to ministry. Tim unpacks how he’s been able to keep going, how he uniquely translates metrics for success, and why he has no problem rocking a mullet. Resources Highlighted in this Interview: The Backside of Hope: Leaving a Legacy for the Next Generationhttps://tothenations.lifeGuest Bio: Tim & Dhana Wimberly have been married for over 37 years. They have five grown sons, five beautiful daughter-in-loves, eleven precious grandchildren, and more on the way! They have been serving the local church and the Great Commission for the last 35 plus years in various capacities, but have maintained an emphasis towards marriage and family and developing young leaders, and loving the poor. For the last 8+ years they have been involved with an organization called Foursquare Missions International, where they have been serving in South East Asia, and now presently residing in Cluj Romania, as FMI Workers, helping in developing and coaching young leaders, establishing marriage and family ministry resources within the context of various cultures. Their passion for pursuing Jesus encapsulates their longing for raising up the next generation, with great emphasis in the area of healthy relationships, life leadership. Episode Credits: Audio Engineer & Editing by AJ Williams Produced by Chad Garrison Connect With Ministry w/o Hating It: LinkTreeemail updates hereBuy Me A Coffee

Have we become professional Christians, abiding in church-ianity? We unpack what this means with our guest, Pastor Andy Sloan. With honesty and humor, Andy shares how he’s learned [the hard way] that being radically on mission is simpler than we may recognize, the practicalities of living out calling, and also what he considers to be his favorite scent. Resources Highlighted in this Interview: Guest Bio: Andy Sloan is a pastor in Denver, Colorado. Him and his wife, Rebecca, have been married for 12 years and have three beautiful young children. He recently finished his Masters in Spiritual formation and discipleship - based in Cape Town South Africa 🇿🇦 and has a huge interested in early monastic movements and walking others through cultivating an inner prayer life and understanding the joy of spiritual rhythms. Episode Credits: Audio Engineer & Editing by AJ Williams Produced by Chad Garrison Connect With Ministry w/o Hating It: LinkTreeemail updates hereBuy Me A Coffee

Do I need to step back from ministry, or is it an opportunity to pull myself up by the bootstraps and keep going? In this episode, Pastor Bill Campbell shares how growing with intentionality in self-awareness has helped him distinguish between the two in the course of his decades in ministry. It’s a vulnerable conversation about learning from your mistakes, leading from healing instead of pain, and understanding clearly who you are as a leader to better lead others. Resources Highlighted in this Interview: lifebridgechurch.com/aboutGuest Bio: Bill Campbell is the founding pastor of Life Bridge Church, Fort Wayne, IN. He and his wife, Grace, serve as Co-Pastors of the Life Bridge Family. Pastors Bill & Grace are gifted communicators and teachers, with a desire to make the principles of God's Word come alive, and empower people to reach their full potential in Christ. Additionally, Bill also serves as the Regional Pastor of the East Region of the Foursquare Central District. Bill and Grace enjoy living in Fort Wayne, and consider it a privilege to live out the purposes of God in leading Life Bridge and loving this great family on mission! Episode Credits: Audio Engineer & Editing by AJ Williams Produced by Chad Garrison Connect With Ministry w/o Hating It: LinkTreeemail updates hereBuy Me A Coffee

What’s the biggest obstacle a leader will face within ministry? Recognizing that it’s, “Not about you.” In this episode, Pastor Suzie Genin gets real (and has fun) with her journey of learning humility the hard way, becoming equipped as you equip others, and seeing every invited opportunity to minister as sacred…and also calling out Chad’s questionable, past fashion choices. We hit it all in this one, so fire it up! Guest Bio: Suzie Genin is an energetic speaker who is passionate about her family and her community. Possessing a courageous ability to lead through vulnerability as she preaches and teaches the word, she desires for people to awaken to the truth found in Jesus and who He has created them to be. Known for her quirky boldness, Suzie is always ready to have fun and keeping it real while listening to the still small voice in the midst of life. Born and raised in California, Suzie moved to Madison, WI 19 years ago with her husband Jeremiah. From the onset of their relationship they have served together in ministry in various capacities. While this has never been their intention, they have enjoyed the journey and the privilege of leading side-by-side. In September 2015, they became the Senior Pastors of Chapel Valley Church. Beyond her pastoral duties, Suzie serves as a chaplain in her city and loves providing spiritual support and comfort beyond the church walls. Suzie and her husband, Jeremiah, have been married for 20 years and have three beautiful children Micah, Samantha, and Isaac. Resources Highlighted in this Interview: https://chapelvalley.org/ Episode Credits: Audio Engineer & Editing by AJ Williams Produced by Chad Garrison Connect With Ministry w/o Hating It: LinkTreeemail updates hereBuy Me A Coffee

New Year, New Vision--or is it? Executive Coach and Pastor, Gary Dunahoo, kicks off Season 3 by positing the question, "What if we could be more present today, trusting that God is going to lead us forward tomorrow?" Through his own experiences and learned wisdom, Gary unpacks practically, what it means to be a leader who stewards all they've been given today, and following where God is leading next. Guest Bio: Gary Dunahoo is an impassioned believer in the ability to advance human potential in both business and everyday life. A highly skilled and engaging coach, program leader, and human development professional who has run a successful executive development firm for nearly a decade, following 38+ years as a pastor, educator, and personal development professional. A noted concentration in helping women reach top corporate leadership positions, with experience helping community members create and build nonprofit enterprises for the public good. A recent recipient of a Ph.D. in Human Development. Connect further with Gary at https://www.garydunahoo.com Episode Credits: Audio Engineer & Editing by AJ Williams Produced by Chad Garrison Connect With Ministry w/o Hating It: LinkTreeemail updates hereBuy Me A Coffee

Ministry as an individual is one thing, but ministry as a couple is another level. In our stacked Season Two finale, we add Lindsay Garrison, and Dustin and Joanna Black to the ongoing conversation of navigating ministry with your spouse. Together, we unpack the hard earned wisdom gained in clarifying spouse vs. ministry roles, ministry expectations, relational losses, family dynamics and lots more. It's all still a work in progress, but you can do ministry without hating each other. Guest Bios: Lindsay Garrison graduated from the University of Nevada Las Vegas in 2006 with a M.S. degree in Counseling and is a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist. Lindsay also serves as a Pastor at Springs of Life in Cedar Rapids, IA as a Pastoral Counselor & in Leader Care capacities. Lindsay has been married to her husband, Chad, since 2004 and shares three amazing kids. Joanna Black Dustin Black is a Husband, Father to three amazing kids, Barista at a coffee shop, chaplain for local police department, and just started the journey of a wild-land firefighter….oh yeah…and he pastors a church, Grace Foursquare in Rhinelander, WI. Episode Credits: Audio Engineer & Editing by Brenton Hill Produced by Chad Garrison Connect With Ministry w/o Hating It: LinkTreeemail updates hereBuy Me A Coffee

When we allow ministry to become task driven, one of the easiest things to lose sight of is the creative expression that is inherent to our Creator. In this episode, we sit down for a fun conversation with minister and FMP Director, Bob Hunt. Bob unpacks for us the importance of creativity within ministry, how it affects everyone involved in the creative process, and how even those leaders who don't feel creative personally, can be--and find a new level of flourishing. Resources Highlighted in this Interview: bhunt@foursquare.orgbhunt@foursquare.org Guest Bio: Robert (Bob) Hunt has been the director of Foursquare Missions Press for 26 years. He has been involved in ministry for nearly 50 years with stints in the business world. His ministry experience includes pastoring and youth pastoring in local churches. Founding a missions training school and short term sending (based on a YWAM model) in the local church. Also founding a comprehensive social services ministry involving multiple churches caring for the local impoverished and homeless individuals (and serving within an AIDS hospice). Bob has an MDiv. from Talbot Theological Seminary (BIOLA). He has authored, co authored and ghost authored numerous books, booklets and pamphlets. He is currently working on a book on spiritual warfare with Dr. Jerry Stott and Dr. Leslie Keegel. He enjoys oil painting and old movies. He is married to the love of his life, Heidi, an attorney, avid baseball fan and cancer survivor. Episode Credits: Audio Engineer & Editing by Brenton Hill Produced by Chad Garrison Connect With Ministry w/o Hating It: LinkTreeemail updates hereBuy Me A Coffee

How do you achieve success in ministry? Become a servant to all. In this episode, Pastor Kimberly Dirmann recounts how God has moved her from a perfectionist people-pleaser focused on outcomes, to recognizing success in simply doing what God says, and not holding on too long. Kimberly also unpacks what cultivating love for people (even difficult ones) looks like practically, and how to avoid being a Saul to the David’s in your ministry. Guest Bio: Kimberly Dirmann was born in Colombia, South America, and lived in Colombia until she was 10. She has been married to Jerry for 35 years and they have two grown children, Alexandra and Jonathan, and six grandchildren. Kimberly and Jerry served as youth pastors at Valley Community Church, El Monte Foursquare, for 8 ½ years (1986-1994). In December 1994, Jerry was appointed Foursquare National Youth Minister and they traveled extensively with their children throughout the United States ministering at camps, and to youth pastors and leaders. Kimberly served as the Director of Foursquare Women International from 2000-2005 with the primary focus of resourcing women in ministry leadership. Kimberly also co-hosted a talk show on a Christian radio station during this time. Kimberly was appointed as the Southwest District Supervisor for the Foursquare denomination and served in this role from May of 2009 until May of 2016. She, along with her district staff, oversaw 180 churches in Arizona, parts of Southern California, Southern Nevada, and Southern Utah. Kimberly is the co-founder and co-pastor of The Rock Network, a ministry based in Anaheim, California consisting of multiple campuses and media ministries, and over 100 house churches. She also serves as the Director of “She Leads California”, an organization of Christian women who lead in various spheres of influence. Resources Highlighted in this Interview: The Awe of God: The Astounding Way a Healthy Fear of God Transforms Yourhttps://www.therockanaheim.com/aboutEpisode Credits: Audio Engineer & Editing by Brenton Hill Produced by Chad Garrison Connect With Ministry w/o Hating It: LinkTreeemail updates hereBuy Me A Coffee

Conflict within relationship is unavoidable, but healthy resolution doesn’t come naturally. In this BONUS! episode, Pastor, Chaplain and Therapist, Robby Booth, returns for an extended conversation on pursuing healthy conflict resolution within the relationships every leader holds, and unpacks learned wisdom in seeing relationships strengthened on the other side of conflict. Resources Highlighted in this Interview: Conflict Resolution: “Engage to Resolve.” (11 Pillars of Healthy Resolve)Changes That HealSafe People: How to Find Relationships That Are Good for You and Avoid Those That Aren'tGuest Bio: Robby Booth alongside his wife, Bonita, presently serves the NCO as the director of CSR West. As minister of Pastoral Care directing CSR West, Robby brings care and restoration to pastors, ministers and missionaries of the Foursquare movement. In other various roles, Robby has served the Foursquare family on the Cabinet and Executive Council, as well as regional supervisor and assistant general supervisor, Director of Foursquare Chaplaincy and national camps director. Robby and Bonita have served as senior pastors of Faith Chapel Foursquare Church in Glendale, Ariz. for eleven years. Robby and Bonita later moved to Modesto to serve as district supervisors of the former Western District office of Foursquare churches in January 1995. Robby received a dual major bachelor's degree in Christian ministries/counseling from Hope University and a master's degree in marriage and family counseling from Azusa Pacific University. Prior to moving to Arizona, he served eleven years on staff at Trinity Christian Center Foursquare Church as the married couples’ pastor. He is CERT, CISM and DRT certified as well as specialties in dealing with trauma and sexual addictions. Ordained in 1979, Robby directed two counseling centers in Southern CA before becoming a senior pastor. With over 80,000 hours of counseling, Robby was initially licensed as a MFCC in 1980, later also becoming a trauma specialist. “An ordinary guy serving an extraordinary God!” is how Robby would say he wants to be known, loving God and loving people. He is a strong family man with deep love for his wife, Bonita, as well as their three children, Jeremy, Jessica, and Joshua and wonderful grandchildren. Episode Credits: Audio Engineering by Brenton Hill Edited & Produced by Chad Garrison Connect With Ministry w/o Hating It: LinkTreeemail updates hereBuy Me A Coffee

It’s the most important ministry within the church, and yet it’s oftentimes the most overlooked. In this episode we sit down for a conversation with Pastor and NextGen Denominational Leader, Tami Jones, on ministry to the Next Generation (NextGen). Tami unpacks for us trends in NextGen Ministry, best practices for NextGen Leaders, wisdom in leading NextGen Leaders on your team, and of course, how to escape from a blender if you were suddenly a No. 2 pencil. Let's GOOO! Guest Bio: Tamara (Tami) Jones resides in the beautiful state of Nebraska with her husband of 30 years, and together they have three children, and a dynamic son-in-law.Tami accepted Christ at the young age of 12 at a camp and received her ministry calling just a few years later. For more than 30 years, she has been serving and leading in various capacities in NextGen ministries. Vocationally, she has been in nursing, vocational/educational coaching, and human services while volunteering or teaching in the local church NextGen ministry settings. However, twelve years ago, she was offered a full-time position as a Children's Pastor in a Foursquare Church, eventually serving as a youth pastor, and then finally as the Executive NextGen Pastor overseeing all Nextgen Ministries locally, and at satellite/church plant locations. Currently, Tami is serving as NextGen Coordinator of the Foursquare Central District, which serves 17 states. Her role involves bringing connection, collaboration, celebration, and care to kids, youth, and young adult ministry pastors and leaders within those 17 states. Her passion is to help next-generation ministry leaders become holistically healthy, identify their God-given abilities, develop leadership plans, and spread the gospel of Jesus to kids, youth, and their families. She is currently attending Life Pacific University pursuing her Master’s Degree in Strategic Leadership. Connect Further with Tami at: jonestamaral93@gmail.comhttps://linktr.ee/centraldistrictnextgenEpisode Credits: Audio Engineer & Editing by Brenton Hill Produced by Chad Garrison Connect With Ministry w/o Hating It: LinkTreeemail updates hereBuy Me A Coffee

Our ministries are an overflow of our relationships. In this episode Pastor, Chaplain and Therapist , Robby Booth, unpacks the wisdom he's gained in his over 80,000 hours of counseling with ministry leaders and couples. We discuss combatting the false beliefs that hurt relationships, healthy ministry/relationship priorities and practical steps we can take individually to be intentional in growing in our relationships. Click Here For Robby's 10 Steps for Relational Intentionality Resources Highlighted in this Interview: Immunity to Change: How to Overcome It and Unlock the Potential in Yourself and Your OrganizationChanges That HealSafe People: How to Find Relationships That Are Good for You and Avoid Those That Aren'tGottman Card Decks AppThe Conquer SeriesCovenant EyesGuest Bio: Robby Booth alongside his wife, Bonita, presently serves the NCO as the director of CSR West. As minister of Pastoral Care directing CSR West, Robby brings care and restoration to pastors, ministers & missionaries of the Foursquare movement. In other various roles, Robby has served the Foursquare family on the Cabinet and Executive Council, as well as regional supervisor and assistant general supervisor, Director of Foursquare Chaplaincy & national camps director. Robby and Bonita have served as senior pastors of Faith Chapel Foursquare Church in Glendale, Ariz. for eleven years. Robby and Bonita later moved to Modesto to serve as district supervisors of the former Western District office of Foursquare churches in January 1995. Robby received a dual major bachelor's degree in Christian ministries/counseling from Hope University and a master's degree in marriage and family counseling from Azusa Pacific University. Prior to moving to Arizona, he served eleven years on staff at Trinity Christian Center Foursquare Church as the married couples’ pastor. He is CERT, CISM and DRT certified as well as specialties in dealing with trauma and sexual addictions. Ordained in 1979, Robby directed two counseling centers in Southern CA before becoming a senior pastor. With over 80,000 hours of counseling, Robby was initially licensed as a MFCC in 1980, later also becoming a trauma specialist. “An ordinary guy serving an extraordinary God!” is how Robby would say he wants to be known, loving God and loving people. He is a strong family man with deep love for his wife, Bonita, as well as their three children, Jeremy, Jessica, and Joshua and wonderful grandchildren. Audio Engineer & Editing by Brenton Hill Produced by Chad Garrison Connect With Ministry w/o Hating It: LinkTreeemail updates hereBuy Me A Coffee

Happy Summer! For this month's episode, we're excited to introduce a new episode format we are adding to the mix titled "Shop Talk", where we'll do just that--talk shop on a variety of ministry specific topics. For our first Shop Talk, we sit down with pastors Billy Holden and Dustin Black for a roundtable discussion on taking the grind out of planning and prepping, best practices in message collaboration, the freedom of the year long message calendar and wisdom earned the hard way from years of writing and delivering sermons. Guest Bios: Billy Holden has has served in ministry leadership for 20 years. Billy and his wife Mandy planted Innovation Church in Lafayette, IN in 2010. They have a total of 5 kids, 2 (twins) of which they adopted out of foster care. They have a huge heart for their community and serve local foster families through fostering, hosting foster agencies and through a foster closet ministry! If you'd like to connect further with Billy, you can visit their church's website at innovationchurch.cc, or via email at: thatpastorguy@gmail.com Dustin Black is a Husband, Father to three amazing kids, Barista at a coffee shop, chaplain for local police department, and just started the journey of a wild-land firefighter….oh yeah…and he pastors a church, Grace Foursquare in Rhinelander, WI. He is a third generation pastor, and always makes the joke, "I was born on a Monday and was at church the next Sunday….except it’s not a joke." He has been in church and in ministry literally his whole life, but has carried the role of pastor for the last 19 years. He writes, "My idea of pastoral ministry has shifted a ton the last eight years, but my desire to help people realize that Jesus loves them just the way they are, has always stayed the same." Connect Further with Dustin at: pastorblack82@gmail.comhttps://www.instagram.com/blackd82/https://www.facebook.com/dustin.black.9210Resources Highlighted in this Interview: 7 Practices for Effective MinistryEpisode Credits: Audio Engineer & Editing by Brenton Hill Produced by Chad Garrison Connect With Ministry w/o Hating It: LinkTreeemail updates hereBuy Me A Coffee

Am I a Pastor, or the CEO of a Small Nonprofit? It's a question that this episode's guest, Pastor Dustin Black, has wrestled with in recent years. Join us for this interview as Dustin deconstructs ministry as a vocation verses ministry as what the leader has been created to do, and also how this simple truth has transformed his ministry and created vibrant community within it. Guest Bio: Dustin Black is a Husband, Father to three amazing kids, Barista at a coffee shop, chaplain for local police department, and just started the journey of a wild-land firefighter….oh yeah…and he pastors a church, Grace Foursquare in Rhinelander, WI. He is a third generation pastor, and always makes the joke, "I was born on a Monday and was at church the next Sunday….except it’s not a joke." He has been in church and in ministry literally his whole life, but has carried the role of pastor for the last 19 years. He writes, "My idea of pastoral ministry has shifted a ton the last eight years, but my desire to help people realize that Jesus loves them just the way they are, has always stayed the same." Connect Further with Dustin at: pastorblack82@gmail.comhttps://www.instagram.com/blackd82/https://www.facebook.com/dustin.black.9210Resources Highlighted in this Interview: The Hotshot Wake Up PodcastThe Place We Find Ourselves PodcastThe Bema PodcastAsking Better Questions of the Bible: A Guide for the Wounded, Wary, and Longing for MorePraying Like Monks, Living Like Fools: An Invitation to the Wonder and Mystery of PrayerEpisode Credits: Audio Engineer & Editing by Brenton Hill Produced by Chad Garrison Connect With Ministry w/o Hating It: LinkTreeemail updates hereBuy Me A Coffee

Addiction. As leaders we will either walk with those caught up in it, or find ourselves facing our own. In this episode, we have a raw and real conversation with Bob Vander Meer, a Pastor and Clinician for Pure Desire Ministries. Bob shares about his own journey with sexual addiction with honesty and vulnerability, wisdom to leaders struggling with addiction and the opportunities ministry leaders have to walk with others in the lifelong process of recovery. Guest Bio: Robert is a clinician at Pure Desire Ministries, pastor, and businessman. Not always in this order. Though all three of these positions take place in different locations, they all work toward the same goal: helping people become who they were created to be and present with those who are right in front of them. He has been a clinician at Pure Desire for 10 years, along with his wife. Prior to this, he and his wife worked as the Latin America representatives for Pure Desire, traveling in Latin America and speaking on the topic of sexual health. He has been a pastor and/or in ministry for more than 20 years and currently is part of a neighborhood church where he and his family live in North East Portland. While working as a senior pastor in Las Vegas, NV, Robert began to face his own sexual addiction. Not without the loss of ministry and relationship. The journey toward healthier is always continuing and a launching point for much of what he does now. Robert and his wife, Rebecca, have been married for 13 years and have two children: their son Amadeus and their daughter Carmela. They met in 1998 on a short-term mission trip in Costa Rica; however, they went their separate ways for a few years and made a mess of life. Fortunately, those messes helped them reconnect and pursue health together later on. Connect further with Bob at robertv@puredesire.org or visit https://puredesire.org/speakers/ Resources Highlighted in this Interview: Pure Desire MinistriesThe Wisdom of Stability: Rooting Faith in Mobile CultureEpisode Credits: Audio Engineer & Editing by Brenton Hill Produced by Chad Garrison Connect With Ministry w/o Hating It: LinkTreeemail updates hereBuy Me A Coffee

"What you invest is what you will reap, and what you put up with is what you’ll end up with." In this episode, we have a conversation with Paul & Janice Rice, who have planted and pastored Riverside Community Church for over 20 years! In this interview they unpack the joy of being a bi-vocational pastor (seriously!), the roller coaster that is the church planting experience, and all that goes into leading the same church they started all these years--and loving it more each day! Guest Bio: Paul and Janice Rice share a love for pastoring the local church, a passion for worldwide missions, and mentoring the next generation of believers. They church planted Riverside Community Church 20 years ago in Rainier, OR in an old elementary school. Out of that building has sprung up numerous ministries such as a Pregnancy Center, a Thrift Store, a place for AA to meet, and youth summer camps. The goal of Riverside is to equip every believer, no matter their age, to do the ministry God has planned for their life. As bi-vocational pastors, Paul and Janice and their family, have built homes, remodeled others and owned a Bouncy House business. They work outside the church to fund their “ministry habit.” Their six children have partnered with them in ministry at Riverside, in missions, and now, in their own ministries. Paul designs homes, in the evenings, just for fun. Janice writes books in her spare time because it lets her drink lots of coffee, be alone and read a lot for research. Their kids are their treasure. Connect Further with Paul & Janice at paulnjanice@hotmail.com or riversiderainier.com Resources Highlighted in this Interview: Operation Solid LivesEpisode Credits: Audio Engineer & Editing by Brenton Hill Produced by Chad Garrison Connect With Ministry w/o Hating It: LinkTreeemail updates hereBuy Me A Coffee

It is one thing to hold a ministry position of leadership, but it's another to believe you're exactly who God should have placed there--especially when it doesn't go the way you thought it would! In this episode Pastor and Denominational leader, Esperanza Morphis, gives candid insight from her recent, unexpected season of ministry role transition, and how it revealed an unhealthy source of significance within her identity. Esperanza also unpacks how "knowing your lane" with your Creator practically plays out in times of disappointment, self-doubt as well as seasons of fruitfulness and flourishing. Guest Bio: Esperanza Morphis, a native of the south suburbs of Chicago, has served as an Associate Pastor of the Chicago Heights Foursquare Church with Senior Pastor Greg Howse. Esperanza is passionate about making disciples, facilitating the holistic development of strong and healthy leaders, and mobilizing them into their respective spheres of influence. Esperanza, an ordained Foursquare minister, has served on the ICFG board of directors, as a Regional Pastor for the Central East District, and is presently serving as an Associate Supervisor for the Foursquare Central District. Esperanza also currently serves as the President of City Helps CDC, a not-for-profit organization focusing on mental health, at-risk youth, and senior assistance. Esperanza holds a BA in Theology, with a concentration in Family Counseling from Summit College, and an MDiv from Indiana Wesleyan Seminary. Esperanza's greatest treasures consist of her husband, two adult children, and three grandsons. Resources Highlighted in this Interview: Renovation of the Heart: Putting on the Character21 Leadership Issues in the Bible: Life-Changing Lessons from Leaders in ScriptureEpisode Credits: Audio Engineer & Editing by Brenton Hill Produced by Chad Garrison Connect With Ministry w/o Hating It: LinkTreeemail updates hereBuy Me A Coffee

"Ministry is never done, and I will disappoint people." In this candid conversation, Pastor and Leadership Coach Trey Abney, unpacks what it means and looks like practically to live and lead with an inner peace that is not influenced or effected by the uncertainty, the expectations or the drama that exists outside of you. Guest Bio: Trey Abney serves as the Senior Pastor of EQUIP Church. Trey is energized through life-coaching, teaching leadership, encouraging hurting pastors, and enabling church teams to regain ministry vision. He utilizes the Emotionally Healthy Leadership material to promote both personal and spiritual health. In addition, Trey is an adjunct professor at Life Pacific University. Trey is married to Gretchen Abney and they have three young-adult children, Christian, Colin, and Caroline. Trey has served in ministry for over 25 years as a Church Planter, Inner-City Missionary, District Council member, District Elder and Regional leader in the Foursquare Church. His passion is for people to continually grow in their revelation of God’s grace, while understanding their God-given design and purpose. Trey graduated from Lee University with a B.A. in Bible and Theology and from Pentecostal Theological Seminary with a M.Div. His hobbies include fishing, cycling, watching Duke Basketball and University of Georgia Football. You can connect with Trey further at www.equipchurch.online Resources Highlighted in this Interview: Lion of War SeriesLead Yourself FirstEpisode Credits: Audio Engineer & Editing by Brenton Hill Produced by Chad Garrison Connect With Ministry w/o Hating It: LinkTreeemail updates hereBuy Me A Coffee

Ministry is tough, but it can be even tougher on the ministry leader's kids. In our Season Two Premiere, we sit down for a candid conversation with three PK's (Pastor's Kids), two of them adults, one still a "kid", and unpack the highs, lows and burdens the children of ministry leaders experience that most people aren't aware of. Guest Bios: Jeniffer Burch graduated from Capri Cosmetology College in 1999 with a degree in Cosmetology Arts and Sciences, she was a Master Stylist and a Color Specialist. Jen has been the Hospitality Coordinator since 2010. Also has served in NextGen Ministries since 1998. For the past two years she has been the Church Administrator at Springs of Life. She has been married to Brian Burch since 2001, they have three wonderful children together. Jeniffer has a passion for people to see and use their God given gifts, talents and use them for His glory. She has a deep understanding of how we need the whole body of Christ to come together to serve the church and the community. TJ Burget currently resides in Rochester, MN serving as the worship and youth director of Word of Grace Church. TJ is married to Amanda, and has 41 years of being a pastor kid where he has developed a heart for kids whose parents are involved in some type of ministry. Between his time as a husband, pastor and being out on the golf course, TJ runs a non-profit organization that helps facilitate the building of schools in third world countries. He has a passion to see young adults, teenagers, and kids become everything that God has created and designed them to be. Addi Garrison is 13 years old, is daughter of Pastors Chad & Lindsay, loves Jesus, creative arts, serving kids ministry, and lives in Cedar Rapids, IA. Connect With Ministry w/o Hating It: LinkTreeemail updates hereBuy Me A Coffee

For our Season One Finale, we join forces with Fred Schmitt and Drew Dodd, ministry leaders and also hosts of The Next Forty Podcast, for a crossover interview about creating community in the digital space, chicken sandwiches, Britney Spears and coming to a place of owning your story--the good, the bad and also the ridiculous. As they say on their podcast, “it’s sometimes funny, sometimes serious, but always good”. We think you'll walk away from this one entertained and encouraged in your own ministry story. Check Out The Next Forty Podcast and Connect Further Here! We’ll see you for Season Two in January 2023! Guest Bios: Fred Schmitt has spent the last 18 years doing Youth Ministry in a local church. Fred has recruited and equipped teams of volunteers to be on the front lines of student ministry. Fred has led initiatives to resource parents to actively participate in the spiritual growth of their students, and collaborated with other staff members and elders on projects that impact the entire ministry of the church. He now serves as Pastoral Care Minister in a role where he is working to create a culture of care in his community and congregation. Fred graduated with a Bachelor’s Degree in Biblical Studies/Youth Ministry from Cincinnati Christian University and a Master’s Degree in Pastoral Leadership. He is also a Certified Youth Ministry Coach through the National Association of Youth Ministry. Fred is married to Erin for 17 years and has two children: Eliana and Everett. Drew Dodd has been in ministry for the last 19 years. 15 of those were spent in student ministry with a couple of stints as a worship minister as well. Currently he is a Discipleship Minister who oversees Small Groups, Growth Class, and Micro Groups. He's been married to Emily for 18 years and has two daughters, Chloe and Samantha. Connect With Ministry w/o Hating It: LinkTreeemail updates hereBuy Me A Coffee

Why do we do what we do? When the challenges of ministry come, and they will, remembering the answer to this question is crucial to being able to walk through the challenges well. Our guest for this episode is Pastor Jim McGuire, who has served as a Hospice Chaplain for over 22 years. In our discussion Jim shares the "pillars" of living well he has learned that were taught to him by those who were dying. It's a candid and practical conversation on how we can love the ministry we serve by keeping our perspective properly focused. Click Here to get Jim's book referenced in this episode, STAY: Four Pillars for Living Life and Finishing Well Guest Bio: Rev. Jim McGuire serves as a hospice chaplain at Lightways Hospice and Serious Illness Care in Joliet, Illinois. Jim graduated from Mt. Vernon Bible College (Ohio) in 1987 with a B.A. in Theology and from Lincoln Christian University (Illinois) in 1998 with a M.A. in New Testament. During his 22 years of hospice chaplaincy, he has visited and ministered to well over 5,000 individuals who have faced a terminal diagnosis. Through compassionate and competent care, he has helped each individual and their loved ones navigate one of life’s most stressful and emotional experiences. In 2019 Jim released his book, STAY: Four Pillars for Living Life and Finishing Well, in which he offers four practical life-lessons we can learn about living as taught by those who are dying. In 2021 he released the same book in the Spanish language under the title, Permanecer: Cuatro Pilares para Vivir la Vida Y Finalizar Bien, with the hope of reaching an often, under-resourced population. As an extension of his chaplaincy work Jim has officiated at hundreds of funeral services always with the goal of providing comfort and hope. Throughout his 35 years as a licensed and ordained Foursquare minister he has served several congregations in a variety of responsibilities including youth pastor, associate pastor, senior interim, and church planter. Additionally, Jim has previously served as the national Hospice Coordinator for Foursquare Chaplains International (FCI) as well as numerous state and regional ministry assignments. Jim has chaplain ecclesiastical endorsement through FCI. He continues to speak to civic groups and churches. Feel free to contact Jim as he is a resource of encouragement, education, and support. You can reach Jim at lvngyw@msn.com. Connect With Ministry w/o Hating It: LinkTreeemail updates hereBuy Me A Coffee