Other People's Shoes

🎙 Connect: 🍽️ Season Theme: Hungry This season, we’re exploring what it means to be hungry not just for food, but for purpose, meaning, connection, and identity. Hunger drives us, defines us, and sometimes exposes what’s really missing inside. 👣 Guest Introduction: Have you ever tried eating alone in a restaurant no phone, no music, just you and your thoughts? It’s harder than it sounds. I’ve been testing that lately during my lunch breaks, realizing how uncomfortable it can feel to just be with myself. My guest today, Constance Curtis, knows exactly why that discomfort shows up and how to move through it. Constance is a transformational coach and entrepreneur with over two decades of experience helping people align with their purpose, break through limiting beliefs, and live with authenticity. After building multiple businesses and walking through her own reinventions, she now guides entrepreneurs, leaders, and creatives who feel stuck or disconnected. Her approach? Grounded, no-fluff transformation that blends mindset shifts with real strategy. Together, we dive into what it takes to stop seeking external validation and start finding it within. 💡 Episode Highlights: What external validation really costs and how to find worth from within How to release what no longer serves you and reconnect with your purpose The messy, beautiful process of real growth Why alignment matters more than achievement 🔗 Connect with Constance Curtis: 🌐 Website 📸 Instagram 🎧 Listen & Follow Other People’s Shoes: 👟 Website 🩵 Instagram 👍 Facebook 🐦 X (Twitter) 📺 YouTube 📣 Leave Us a Review: If this episode challenged you to sit with yourself a little longer or reminded you that connection starts within—leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify and share how stepping into Constance’s shoes impacted you.

🎙 Plant & Grow 🌱 🍁🌱 A Thanksgiving Seed Thanksgiving isn’t just about full plates 🦃🍽️ it’s about roots the kind we grow on purpose 🌾 The soil remembers every hand that turned it 🤲 every hope tucked beneath chilly November ground 🍂 Some seasons feed us 🥕 Some seasons stretch us 🌿 And hunger? It’s not always a rumble in the stomach sometimes it’s the deep ache to become who we’re meant to be 🌱✨ In backyards and borrowed plots 🏙️🪴 growth insists on showing up even where concrete thought it had the last word. One seed can feed a home 🌰🏡 One tree can shade generations 🌳👨‍👩‍👧‍👦 And one hungry heart can shift a broken system, starting right where it stands 💪🌍 So this Thanksgiving 🍁 as we pass the mashed potatoes and gratitude 🥔❤️ may we plant new stories too for the selves we’re becoming and the gardens waiting to rise 🌷🙌 👣 Guest Introduction: Meet Greg Peterson The Urban Farmer 🌿🏡 For over 32 years, Greg turned a simple quarter-acre yard in Phoenix into a flourishing food forest 🌳🥭🍊 He has taught thousands to grow food, save seeds, and rebuild their connection to the earth 🌎💧 His question changes everything: “What if there was a garden and fruit tree in every yard?” 🍎🌳✨ Today we talk soil, seeds, identity, and why growing food might just be the most hopeful thing you can do. 💡 Episode Highlights: Hunger beyond food — what really fills us 🍽️➡️❤️ Greg’s early love for growing things 🐟🌱 The wake-up call about our fragile food system ⚠️🥫 Turning a yard into a food forest 🌳🌻 Permaculture + changing how we see the world 🔄🍃 Why seeds and community matter 🌾🤝 Easy steps to start growing today 🚿🪴🌞 🔗 Connect with Greg Peterson: 🌐 Website: https://www.urbanfarm.org 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/urbanfarmu/ 🎧 Podcast: UrbanFarmPodcast.com 🌱 Seeds: GreatAmericanSeedUp.org 🎧 Listen & Follow Other People’s Shoes: 👟 Website 🩵 Instagram 👍 Facebook 🐦 X (Twitter) 📺 YouTube 📣 Leave Us a Review: If this episode planted something in you 🌱🤍 take a moment to share it.

🎙 Episode Title: Unwanted 🧩 Season Theme: Hungry This season explores different kinds of hunger both literal and metaphorical. From struggles with food to deeper cravings for purpose, fulfillment, and connection, we’re diving into stories that truly nourish the soul. 👣 Guest Introduction: I’ve got to admit when I first heard that today’s guest, Christi Kelsey, had a connection to Duke University (her husband works at the Duke Cancer Center in Durham, North Carolina), I hesitated. If you know me, you know where my loyalties lie. Around here, Duke and UNC aren’t just schools they’re archenemies. The rivalry runs deep, and sometimes, honestly, it can cloud how we see people on the “other side.” But as I sat with it, I realized something: the greatest rivalries often happen much closer to home. Sometimes the fiercest opponent isn’t wearing a different shade of blue it’s the face staring back at us in the mirror. That’s what this episode is really about. Christi is a nutrition coach, cancer survivor, and women’s health advocate who knows what it feels like to feel unwanted—by your body, your circumstances, or your reflection. After two cancer diagnoses and years of fighting her body, Christi learned how to stop seeing herself as the enemy and start treating her body as an ally. Now she helps women over 40 break free from the guilt, restriction, and all-or-nothing mindset that keep them stuck. Her approach isn’t about diets it’s about dignity, strength, and learning to make peace with yourself. 💡 Episode Highlights: How cancer transformed Christi’s relationship with her body The connection between rivalry, identity, and self-image Why guilt and restriction never lead to freedom How to build sustainable habits that actually last What it means to nourish yourself instead of punish yourself How to make peace with your body no jersey required 🔗 Connect with Christi Kelsey: 🌐 Website 📸 Instagram 🎧 Listen & Follow Other People’s Shoes: 👟 Website 🩵 Instagram 👍 Facebook 🐦 X (Twitter) 📺 YouTube 📣 Leave Us a Review: If this episode hit home if you’ve ever looked in the mirror and felt like you were facing your toughest rival leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Tell us how stepping into Christi’s shoes helped you see yourself a little differently.

🎙 Golden Ticket 🧩 Season Theme: Hungry This season, we’re exploring what it means to be hungry not just for food, but for purpose, meaning, connection, and identity. Hunger can drive us, define us, and sometimes destroy us. But it also reveals what truly satisfies the soul. 👣 Guest Introduction: Remember Charlie Bucket from Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory the kid who found the Golden Ticket and got a glimpse behind the gates of wonder? This episode plays with that same idea, but through the story of Charles Fernández, a two-time Olympian from Guatemala who discovered that the real “golden ticket” isn’t found on a candy bar wrapper it’s discovered within. Charles grew up doing humanitarian work with his family in the mountains of Guatemala before rising to become a world champion in modern pentathlon. He’s competed at two Olympic Games, won gold at the Pan American Games, and stood among the world’s best. But after the applause faded, Charles faced a deeper challenge: Who was he when the medals and titles weren’t enough? Today, Charles leads IMPACTA, a high-performance coaching company helping leaders, athletes, and changemakers align identity, mindset, and purpose. His story is one of hunger for integrity, for presence, and for the kind of success that isn’t just seen, but felt. 💡 Episode Highlights: What it really takes to compete and win on the world stage The crash that comes after achieving your biggest dream Redefining integrity: living in alignment with who you are The difference between performing and being present How to pursue excellence without losing yourself in the process Why the “golden ticket” might not be what you think it is 🔗 Connect with Charles Fernández: Website: Coach Compare Profile 🎧 Listen & Follow Other People’s Shoes: 👟 Website 🩵 Instagram 👍 Facebook 🐦 X (Twitter) 📺 YouTube 📣 Leave Us a Review: If this episode gave you something to think about—or reminded you what your own golden ticket might be—share that with us! Leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify and let us know how stepping into Charles’ shoes inspired you.

🎙 Episode Title: Sitting In The Chair 🧩 Season Theme: Hungry What does it really mean to hunger for something deeper something more than routine, more than the surface-level faith that just gets us through the day? This season invites us to pay attention to what our souls crave and how we’re feeding that hunger. 👣 Guest Introduction: How comfortable are you in the seat you’re sitting in right now? Not just physically but spiritually, emotionally, and mentally? This week, I’m joined by Tera Elness, speaker, writer, and author of Sitting with Jesus a 365-day devotional born out of her own mornings spent literally “sitting with Jesus.” Tera invites us to pull up a chair and stay a while: to hear the small, life-changing words “I love you”, to feed our souls daily the way we feed our bodies, and to notice the small details like the sandals people wore in Bible times that reveal surprisingly big spiritual truths about how we walk through life. 💡 Episode Highlights: How comfortable are you in the “chair” you’re sitting in today? Why hearing “I love you” from God can change everything The sandals of Bible-time people what their footwear teaches us about humility, journey, and how we actually walk in faith (Tera shares a memorable story about this) The daily rhythm that deepened Tera’s relationship with Jesus How to move from surviving to truly living 🔗 Connect with Tera Elness: 🌐 Website 📘 Sitting with Jesus on Amazon 💬 Facebook Group 🎧 Listen & Follow Other People’s Shoes: 👟 Website 🩵 Instagram 👍 Facebook 🐦 X (Twitter) 📺 YouTube 📣 Leave Us a Review: If this episode stirred something in you if it made you think about where you’re sitting and what you’re truly hungry for leave a review and tell us what spoke to you most.

🎙 Access Pass 🧩 Season Theme: Hungry This season, we’re exploring what it means to be truly hungry not for food, but for purpose, belonging, and meaning. Sometimes, that hunger shows up when the door won’t open and we’re left wondering if we even have the right password. 👣 Guest Introduction: Ever typed in a password that should have worked… and it just didn’t? That locked-out feeling hits deeper than tech frustration it’s about access, belonging, and opportunity. My guest today, Vinnie Potestivo (or “Vin,” as I call him), knows that world well. Vinnie is an Emmy Award-winning Media Advisor and Creator Economist, known for helping people unlock their potential and turn moments of creativity into legacy. As the Editor-in-Chief of I Have A Podcast® a Google News-verified platform amplifying independent voices Vin’s mission is to open doors for storytellers everywhere. Before that, he spent nearly a decade at MTV Networks (1998–2007), where he helped discover and develop talent behind iconic shows like Punk’d, The Osbournes, TRL, Wild ‘N Out, and Laguna Beach. His fingerprints are all over the pop culture that shaped a generation. 💡 Episode Highlights: The power of access and what to do when it’s denied How Vinnie discovered and developed talent at MTV Why storytelling is the real “password” to connection The creative hunger that drives lasting impact What it means to open doors for others in a world obsessed with gatekeeping Why Cass Elliot’s “Make Your Own Kind of Music” still rings true today and how it connects to the freedom of owning your creative voice 🔗 Connect with Vinnie Potestivo: Website: vpetv.com Podcast: I Have A Podcast® Instagram: @vinniepotestivo 🎁 Free Resource: vpe.tv/gift 🎧 Listen & Follow Other People’s Shoes: 👟 Website 🩵 Instagram 👍 Facebook 🐦 X (Twitter) 📺 YouTube 📣 Leave Us a Review: If this episode challenged or inspired you, don’t keep it to yourself! Leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify and let us know how stepping into Vinnie’s shoes helped you think differently about access and creativity.

🎙 Discomfort 🧩 Season Theme: Hungry The season theme Hungry explores the ache for something more the hunger for fulfillment, meaning, and a life that actually feels like our own. 👣 Guest Introduction: We’ve all heard the phrase about the ostrich sticking its head in the sand. But what happens when we live that way avoiding, numbing, or ignoring what’s right in front of us? Today’s guest, Megan Warren, knows this tension firsthand. Once a single mom working full-time in a foreign country while raising her son with autism, Megan wore the mask of success while quietly wrestling with people-pleasing, emotional suppression, and burnout. At 40, she made the courageous choice to stop hiding and start living differently. Now, as an inner development coach and founder of Extraordinary Lives, Megan helps high-achieving women stop checking society’s “should” boxes and start creating a life that’s actually aligned with what they’re hungry for. She believes transformation doesn’t come from the outside it starts within. 💡 Episode Highlights: What it really means to “put your head in the sand” The hunger behind high-achieving women who ask: “Is this all there is?” Megan’s journey of breaking patterns of suppression, people-pleasing, and numbing The turning point of rebuilding life from the inside out at age 40 The five pillars of her Extraordinary Lives process: Radical Self-Connection 💞 Keep it Lit Mastering Glo Mode 🔥 BOSS Energy Activation ⚡ Emotional Ninjas 🥷 BIG Magic ✨ Why letting go is the key to welcoming what’s truly meant for you How fulfillment isn’t “out there” it’s already within you 🔗 Connect with Megan Warren: Website: meganwarrencoaching.com Extraordinary Lives: subscribepage.io/extraordinary_lives 🎧 Listen & Follow Other People’s Shoes: 👟 Website 🩵 Instagram 👍 Facebook 🐦 X (Twitter) 📺 YouTube 📣 Leave Us a Review: If this episode gave you something to chew on, challenged you, or inspired you don’t keep it to yourself! Leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify and let us know how stepping into Megan’s shoes impacted you.

🎙 Corner Booth 🧩 Season Theme: Hungry This season we’re exploring what it means to be hungry not just for food, but for belonging, for meaning, for God himself. Maybe you’ve walked into a room and wondered if there was a place for you. Today, consider this your invitation: there’s a spot at the corner booth waiting, and you don’t have to sit alone. 👣 Guest Introduction: My guest today is Brandon Booth, President and Spiritual Director of Signpost Inn and host of The Signpost Inn Podcast. Brandon and his team walk alongside people in the middle of life’s chaos, offering friendship, compassion, and spiritual direction. Their mission is simple but deeply needed: to lift weary eyes toward Jesus and help people discover his steady presence in the mess. 💡 Episode Highlights: What it feels like to show up at church and feel like you’re not one of the “cool kids at the cool table” Why hospitality and belonging are essential to the life of faith How Signpost Inn helps people reconnect with God when he feels distant Brandon’s own journey into spiritual direction and why slowing down matters What it means to “be still and know” in a distracted, noisy world 🔗 Connect with Brandon Booth & Signpost Inn: Website: signpostinn.org Podcast: The Signpost Inn Podcast 🎧 Listen & Follow Other People’s Shoes: 👟 Website 🩵 Instagram 👍 Facebook 🐦 X (Twitter) 📺 YouTube 📣 Leave Us a Review: If this conversation gave you a taste of belonging, hope, or a new way of seeing God, let us know! Leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify and share how stepping into Brandon’s shoes impacted you.

🎙 Sugar-Free 🧩 Season Theme: Hungry This season we’re talking about hunger physical, emotional, and spiritual. What do we crave? What fills us? And what leaves us empty? 👣 Guest Introduction: Dr. Cali Estes knows firsthand the dangers of quick fixes and hidden addictions. Early in her life, she was prescribed the now-banned weight-loss drug Fen-Phen a combination that promised results but came with devastating risks like heart valve disease and pulmonary hypertension. That experience, paired with her own journey, fueled her mission to expose the hidden dangers in substances we consume every day including one of the biggest culprits: sugar. Known as “The Female Dr. Drew” and “The Battery Recharger,” Cali is a global leader in addiction recovery, mental health, and performance optimization. She’s the founder of Sober On Demand®, and she’s spent over 25 years helping CEOs, athletes, creatives, and everyday people reset their brain chemistry, break free from burnout and addiction, and reclaim their lives. 💡 Episode Highlights: Cali’s personal story of being prescribed Fen-Phen and the fallout when it was banned. The dangers of sugar and why it’s one of the most addictive substances we face daily. How sugar impacts not just physical health but also mental clarity and emotional stability. Why high-performers are especially at risk of hidden addictions. Tools Cali uses from neurofeedback to biohacking to help clients heal and thrive. 👉 Your Challenge This Week: Go sugar-free for seven days. Notice how your body, mind, and mood respond. Hungry isn’t always about food it’s about what we run to when we’re empty. 🔗 Connect with Dr. Cali Estes: Website: Sober On Demand® X (Twitter): @caliestes 🎧 Listen & Follow Other People’s Shoes: 👟 Website 🩵 Instagram 👍 Facebook 🐦 X (Twitter) 📺 YouTube 📣 Leave Us a Review: If this episode challenged you or gave you something new to think about, let us know! Leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify and share how stepping into Cali’s shoes impacted you.

🚨 If You’re Struggling If you or someone you know is thinking about suicide, please don’t wait. Help is available. In the U.S., dial 988 for the Suicide & Crisis Lifeline. Visit 988lifeline.org for more resources. You are not alone. 🎙 Episode Title: Bitter Herbs 🧩 Season Theme: Hungry The season theme Hungry explores the cravings that shape our lives not just for food, but for healing, hope, and meaning. “Bitter herbs” remind us of the hard and painful parts of life that we must sometimes taste in order to fully appreciate sweetness and renewal. 👣 Guest Introduction: This week, we step into the shoes of Zach Tidwell a Marine Corps veteran whose journey is both heartbreaking and deeply inspiring. On his second deployment, Zach received devastating news: his wife was having an affair. The marriage ended in 2018, and just months later, he was in a motorcycle accident that left him with a severe traumatic brain injury. As he battled impulsivity, agitation, and alcohol abuse, he was honorably discharged and tried to start fresh in Colorado, pursuing a nursing degree. On the outside, life looked steady. Inside, he was spiraling. By spring of 2019, Zach reached his breaking point. On March 31st, he attempted to take his life with a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the face. Against all odds, he survived but awoke to a new reality: completely blind and deaf in one ear. What could have been the end of Zach’s story became the beginning of something remarkable. He relearned how to eat, brush his teeth, and walk. Within eight months, he was back on a snowboard in the Rocky Mountains. Soon after, he returned to college, where he began to pursue accessibility solutions after facing new challenges as a blind student. Today, Zach is not just a survivor he’s a force. He skis, rock climbs, whitewater kayaks, skydives, and even competes in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. His story of resilience, innovation, and perseverance offers hope for anyone tasting the bitter herbs of life, especially during Suicide Prevention Week. 💡 Episode Highlights: The painful unraveling that began with betrayal and a traumatic brain injury. The moment Zach attempted to end his life and why survival changed everything. His courageous journey of learning to live blind, and choosing to thrive. Why his message matters so deeply in the conversation around suicide prevention. 🔗 Connect with Zach Tidwell: Website: zachtidwell.net X (Twitter): @ZachCTidwell 🎧 Listen & Follow Other People’s Shoes: 👟 Website 🩵 Instagram 👍 Facebook 🐦 X (Twitter) 📺 YouTube 📣 Leave Us a Review: If this episode moved you, challenged you, or gave you something to think about don’t keep it to yourself! Leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify and let us know how stepping into Zach’s shoes impacted you.

🎙 Saying Grace 🧩 Season Theme: Hungry This season, we explore what it means to be hungry, in all its forms. Hungry for food, for meaning, and for connection. Together, we’ll pull up a chair, break bread, and discover what truly nourishes us. 👣 Guest Introduction: Does prayer really do any good or are we just talking to the ceiling? In this opening episode of Season 21 Hungry, we step into the shoes of Rachel Wojo, affectionately known as the “Prayer Girl.” Rachel has inspired thousands with her writings, speaking, and authentic faith. Her latest book, Desperate Prayers: Embracing God in Life’s Darkest Moments, invites readers into raw, honest conversations with God when life feels darkest. In our conversation, Rachel opens up about the power of prayer, the struggles that shaped her journey, and even the hardest person she’s ever had to pray for. 💡 Episode Highlights: Why Rachel became known as the “Prayer Girl”. The story behind Desperate Prayers and how it was born out of life’s hardest seasons. Who Rachel finds hardest to pray for and why. How prayer feeds the deeper hunger for peace, purpose, and connection. 🔗 Connect with Rachel Wojo: 🌐 Website 📘 Facebook Author Page 📖 Her Book – Desperate Prayers 🎧 Listen & Follow Other People’s Shoes: 👟 Website 🩵 Instagram 👍 Facebook 🐦 X (Twitter) 📺 YouTube 📣 Leave Us a Review: If this episode moved you, challenged you, or gave you something to think about don’t keep it to yourself! Leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify and let us know how stepping into Rachel’s shoes impacted you.

⚠️ Content Warning:In this episode, Joshua Daniel shares about his time as an Army Ranger and Green Beret, including a mission involving a suicide bomber. Listener discretion is advised.⚠️ 🎙 De Oppresso Liber 🧩 Season Theme: Unmade The season theme 'Unmade' refers to the concept of an 'unmade bed' raw, honest, and messy moments in life when things fall apart, identities unravel, and people are confronted with the truth of who they really are. 👣 Guest Introduction: From a high school student enlisting at 17 to serving over 20 years in Special Operations, Joshua Daniel’s journey is one of resilience, sacrifice, and conviction. By 18, he had made it into the Special Operations community, and at 19, he deployed to combat for the first time. His path wasn’t smooth setbacks, challenges, and moments that could have derailed him were real but quitting was never an option. Joshua retired as a Master Sergeant, not because he was the most gifted, but because he was relentlessly committed: to the mission, to the men beside him, and to the ideal embodied in the Green Beret motto: De Oppresso Liber To free the oppressed. After his sixth deployment, Joshua founded Hero Games Charity, honoring fallen warriors and supporting their families through a grueling 6–8 hour crucible event built on sweat, grit, and legacy. Later, he launched Counter Culture Solutions, equipping people with mindset, resilience, and leadership skills forged in the Special Operations community. Today, Joshua’s call to serve looks different but the heart behind it remains the same. 💡 Episode Highlights: Joshua’s journey from enlisting at 17 to becoming a Green Beret A powerful story from a mission involving a suicide bomber Why De Oppresso Liber is more than a motto it’s a way of life How setbacks shaped Joshua’s resilience and leadership The creation of Hero Games Charity and its mission to honor fallen warriors What it means to carry a legacy forward into civilian life 🔗 Connect with Joshua Daniel: 🌐 Hero Games Charity 🌐 Counter Culture Solutions 🎧 Listen & Follow Other People’s Shoes: 👟 Website 🩵 Instagram 👍 Facebook 🐦 X (Twitter) 📺 YouTube 📣 Leave Us a Review: If this episode moved you, challenged you, or gave you something to think about don’t keep it to yourself! Leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify and let us know how stepping into the guest’s shoes impacted you.

🎙 Borrow My Hope 🧩 Season Theme: Unmade The season theme 'Unmade' refers to the concept of an 'unmade bed' raw, honest, and messy moments in life when things fall apart, identities unravel, and people are confronted with the truth of who they really are. 👣 Guest Introduction: Meet Cristie Cerniglia a marriage coach certified through Laura Doyle’s Relationship Coaching program. A homeschooling mom of four from Kentucky, Cristie has lived the ups and downs of marriage firsthand. After 30 years with her husband, Rusty, she knows the ache of drifting apart, the frustration of failed fixes, and the quiet loneliness that can settle in even a “good” marriage. Her turning point came when she discovered the Six Intimacy Skills, which completely transformed her relationship in just 12 weeks. Now, Cristie helps women and by extension, couples rediscover joy, restore connection, and breathe life back into marriages that feel stuck or stagnant. 💡 Episode Highlights: Cristie’s journey from frustration and distance to reconnection and joy The Six Intimacy Skills and how they can transform marriages How small shifts in perspective and response can bring monumental change Listening and Self Care and tools for fostering deeper empathy and connection Practicing a Gratitude Drop and Give Me 10 not push-ups, but writing down ten things you’re grateful for about your spouse. Learning how to receive graciously why it matters and how it changes dynamics Using a dry-erase marker to leave simple notes of gratitude or encouragement Why hope is contagious and how borrowing someone else’s hope can help you hold on until yours returns 🔗 Connect with Cristie Cerniglia: 🌐 Website 📸 Instagram 🎧 Listen & Follow Other People’s Shoes: 👟 Website 🩵 Instagram 👍 Facebook 🐦 X (Twitter) 📺 YouTube 📣 Leave Us a Review: If this episode encouraged you or gave you something new to try in your own relationships—don’t keep it to yourself! Leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify and let us know how stepping into Cristie’s shoes impacted you.

🎙 Episode Title: The Missing Piece 🧩 Season Theme: Unmade The season theme 'Unmade' refers to the concept of an 'unmade bed' raw, honest, and messy moments in life when things fall apart, identities unravel, and people are confronted with the truth of who they really are. 👣 Guest Introduction: Jordan Turbyfill has made a career in craftsmanship, but today he steps into a very different kind of work examining the heart behind our words. Known for his easy humor and quick wit, Jordan admits he’s guilty of tossing out the occasional “yo momma” joke. But what happens when a laugh cuts deeper than intended? For Jordan, conversations about motherhood carry weight. The raw honesty in NF’s song How Could You Leave Us resonates deeply with himits haunting story of love, loss, and longing for a mother who was physically present but emotionally absent. It’s a reminder that the mother child bond can be a source of comfort or of pain, and that its absence can leave a hole nothing else quite fills. Together, we explore how jokes can become mirrors, revealing both the beauty and brokenness in our relationships, and why missing that connection can feel like the missing piece in life’s puzzle. 💡 Episode Highlights: The double-edged nature of humor and the jokes we think are harmless. Why motherhood whether experienced firsthand or longed for is one of life’s greatest gifts. How NF’s How Could You Leave Us captures the pain of a fractured parental bond. The lasting impact of losing or never having a healthy mother–child connection. How love, absence, and humor can all shape identity and belonging. 🔗 Connect with Jordan Turbyfill: Instagram: @one.contract.flooring 🎧 Listen & Follow Other People’s Shoes: 👟 Website 🩵 Instagram 👍 Facebook 🐦 X (Twitter) 📺 YouTube 📣 Leave Us a Review: If this episode moved you, challenged you, or gave you something to think about—don’t keep it to yourself! Leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify and let us know how stepping into the guest’s shoes impacted you.

🎙Messy Prayers 🗝️ Praying for someone—especially your spouse—is like trying to plant seeds in rocky soil. You know growth is possible, but every time you kneel down, you hit something hard: past wounds, unmet expectations, pride, fear. It takes work to clear the ground. But if you stay with it, roots can take hold—and something beautiful can grow. 👣 Guest Introduction: Amanda Hayhurst once looked at Christian women and thought they were fake—polished on the outside, probably polished on the inside too. But behind her own smile was a heart weighed down by shame, years of unhealthy coping, and ultimately, an affair that nearly destroyed her marriage. Just when things couldn’t feel more unmade, Amanda also faced one of the hardest chapters of her life walking through her young son’s leukemia diagnosis. And later, navigating her own health struggles. But instead of giving up, she began to press in. Amanda found herself surrendering the false identities she had clung to for years. Through therapy, community, and a growing relationship with Jesus, she uncovered something deeper than survival: healing. Now a seminary graduate, author of Pray for Him, and fierce advocate for honest, messy prayers, Amanda shares how God restored her life, her marriage, and continues to heal her heart day by day. 💡 Episode Highlights: 🛑 Why praying for your spouse can feel impossible and what’s really behind the resistance 💔 Amanda’s journey through shame, false intimacy, an affair, and her own health struggles 🩺 How her son’s leukemia diagnosis became a breaking and rebuilding point in her faith 🧎‍♀️ Surrendering unhealthy coping tools, including alcohol, performance, and escapism 📖 The difference between salvation and healing and why God wants both for us 💬 The raw, unfiltered truth about finding intimacy with God through pain ✨ What happens when we finally begin to pray not perfectly, but honestly 🔗 Connect with Amanda Hayhurst: Website: https://amandahayhurst.com Instagram: @amandahayhurstwrites 🎧 Listen & Follow Other People’s Shoes: 👟 Website 🩵 Instagram 👍 Facebook 🐦 X (Twitter) 📺 YouTube 📣 Leave Us a Review: If this episode moved you, challenged you, or gave you something to think about don’t keep it to yourself! Leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify and let us know how stepping into Amanda’s shoes impacted you.

🎙 Dissonance 👣 🌵 Picture this: you're walking through a vast, dry desert, sun scorching your back, lips cracked, feet aching with every step. But you keep going. Why? Because on the horizon, you think you see it: approval, notoriety, love, fulfillment. You’re desperate for a drop of something real. But what if all those mirages are just that mirages? 🎶 The musical artist Plumb once wrote: "There’s a God-shaped hole in all of us, And the restless soul is searching. There’s a God-shaped hole in all of us, And it’s a void only He can fill." That’s the ache of dissonance—the tension between what we chase and what we truly need. 💔✨ Today’s guest, Billy Byrd Sr., knows that desert well. 🏜 At 19, he found himself in federal prison, chasing things that never truly filled him. In the silence, the dissonance of his life, the clash between who he was and who he was created to be, became impossible to ignore. 🎤🙏 What emerged wasn’t just a man with a microphone, but an artist and pastor whose music and message now echo with redemption, purpose, and praise. 🎵⛪️ From early rhythms in R&B to a soul deeply rooted in worship, Billy’s upcoming album “I Trust You” is more than music; it’s a testimony. His life, once marked by chaos, now sings a new song: one of faith, healing, and divine harmony. 🌈🔥 💡 Episode Highlights: 💭 What “dissonance” really means in life, faith, and identity 🎯 The false promises of fame, fortune, and approval 🔐 How federal prison became a turning point for Billy 🎶 The power of music to guide, heal, and lead us to truth 🕳 The "God-shaped hole" and what finally fills it 🙌 The message behind “I Trust You” and why it matters now 🔗 Connect with Billy Byrd Sr..: 📱 Instagram: @billybyrdsr1 ▶️ YouTube: Billy Byrd Sr. Music 🎧 Listen & Follow Other People’s Shoes: 👟 Website 🩵 Instagram 👍 Facebook 🐦 X (Twitter) 📺 YouTube 📣 Leave Us a Review: If this episode moved you, challenged you, or gave you something to think about—don’t keep it to yourself! Leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify and let us know how stepping into the guest’s shoes impacted you. 💬📝

🎙 Out of Control 👣 You’ve probably heard the phrase “members only,” a special club with exclusive access. Think Costco, country clubs, and elite lounges at the airport. But there’s one membership no one ever wants, one that June Kraholik found herself part of in the most gut-wrenching way possible: the invisible club of grieving mothers. In 2012, June lost her two-year-old son Kaleb, and life as she knew it stopped making sense. Grief didn’t just knock on the door; it overtook her. But out of that devastation, June slowly found a way to transform her pain into purpose. Her debut nonfiction book, Momma, You Don’t Heal, offers an honest, raw, and deeply personal look at what it means to lose a child and live beyond the unthinkable. 💡 Episode Highlights: 🎟 Why grief can feel like a “membership club” no one ever signs up for 💔 What happens when grief becomes something you live with instead of healing from 🧠 The emotional and psychological toll of unresolved grief backed by startling statistics 🗣 The social stigma surrounding child loss and why many grieving mothers feel invisible ✍️ How June used storytelling as a lifeline and why writing helped her process the unimaginable 🕊 A message to mothers who’ve lost children: You’re not alone, and your story still matters 📊 Did you know? Studies show that unresolved grief can lead to serious health issues, including depression, anxiety, immune dysfunction, and even heart disease. One survey found that nearly 1 in 4 bereaved parents experience symptoms of PTSD. (Source: NIH, American Psychological Association) 🔗 Connect with June Kraholik: Website: authorjunekraholik.com Instagram: @authorjunekraholik Book: Momma, You Don’t Heal on Amazon 🎧 Listen & Follow Other People’s Shoes: 👟 Website 🩵 Instagram 👍 Facebook 🐦 X (Twitter) 📺 YouTube 📣 Leave Us a Review: If this episode moved you, challenged you, or gave you something to think about, don’t keep it to yourself! Please leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify and let us know how stepping into the guest’s shoes impacted you.

🎙BONUS: The Change 🧩 Unmade: 🛏️ Like an unmade bed, this season leans into the raw, honest, and often messy moments of life—the ones where everything we thought we knew unravels. It’s in these unmade spaces that we begin to see what’s real, what matters, and who we truly are becoming. 🩵💔 What if the worst moment of your life didn’t destroy you, but instead uncovered your calling? 🔥 In the wake of an unthinkable tragedy, Kathy Sanders did something few would dare: she stepped closer to the pain, asked the hardest questions, and refused to be silenced. 👣 This isn’t just a story about grief. It’s about uncovering the truth, no matter where it leads—and choosing to remain unchanged by a broken world. 👣 Kathy Sanders never intended to become an advocate, author, or investigator. But when the Oklahoma City bombing claimed the lives of her two young grandsons on April 19, 1995, everything in her life came unmade. 💥👼👼 As she mourned, a deeper question haunted her: Was the story we were told the whole truth? 📖 Nearly thirty years later, Kathy’s relentless pursuit of answers has uncovered disturbing evidence of a broader conspiracy—connecting domestic terrorism to far-right extremists, militia groups, and possible government failures. Her book, Shadows of Conspiracy, and her appearance in the Max documentary An American Bombing: The Road to April 19th, challenge us to look beyond the headlines and confront the truths we might rather ignore. 🎶 This bonus episode takes its name from the Garth Brooks song “The Change,” which reminds us that sometimes our actions aren’t about changing the world, but about refusing to let the world change us: 🎵 And I hear them saying, "You'll never change things And no matter what you do It's still the same thing." But it's not the world that I am changing I do this so, this world we know Never changes me What I do is so, this world will know That it will not change me" 🕊️ Previously on Other People’s Shoes, we spoke with David Thibodeau, one of the survivors of the Waco standoff, another event closely tied to the timeline that led to April 19th. 👉 Listen to that powerful conversation here: Season Finale: Waco 💡 Episode Highlights: 👩‍👦 Kathy’s deeply personal story of loss and how it led to a life of uncovering the truth 🕵️‍♀️ The disturbing patterns and overlooked evidence that challenge the official narrative 🕊️ What it means to pursue justice without bitterness 🎤 The power of staying grounded in your convictions—even when the world says, "You’ll never change things" 🪞 How does this story fit into the larger theme of living through the “unmade” moments 🔗 Connect with Kathy Sanders: 📘 Book: Shadows of Conspiracy 📱 Facebook: facebook.com/kathy.sanders.90 🎧 Listen & Follow Other People’s Shoes: 👟 Website 🩵 Instagram 👍 Facebook 🐦 X (Twitter) 📺 YouTube 📣 Leave Us a Review: ⭐ If this episode moved you, challenged you, or gave you something to think about, don’t keep it to yourself! Please leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify and let us know how stepping into Kathy’s shoes impacted you.

👣 🎙️: "Permission"! My guest today is James Epps Jr.—a man who’s walked through pain most never see and came out stronger on the other side 💥. From surviving sexual assault and suicidal thoughts to rising through the ranks of the U.S. Marine Corps 🇺🇸, James’ story is one of raw resilience, unshakable purpose, and leadership forged in fire 🔥. Now retired, he’s inspiring students, educators, and nonprofits with this truth: 👉 ✅ Key 1: Greatness does not need approval. 👉 ✅ Key 2 Geno Smith said: “They wrote me off—I ain’t write back though.” 🗣️ 🎧 Tap in to hear: 🎒 Overcoming trauma and poverty ✅ Breaking the labels others place on you 🧭 22 years of leadership wisdom 🎤 Finding your voice after the silence 🚫 And why don’t you need anyone’s permission to walk in your purpose 📲 Listen now at opspodcast.com or wherever you get your podcasts! #OtherPeoplesShoes #PermissionPodcast #LeadershipJourney #JamesEppsJr #GreatnessDoesNotNeedApproval #Resilience #MilitaryLeadership #MotivationalSpeaker #GenoSmithQuote #PodcastSeason #Unmade #StepIntoTheirShoes #InspirationDaily #PodcastDrop

⚠️ TRIGGER WARNING: ⚠️ This episode contains sensitive content, including references to sexual violence and trauma. Listener discretion is advised. 🎙 Trapped 👣 This week’s guest, Tam Lawrence, has lived through unimaginable darkness—but her story doesn’t end there. Raped at 14 and put in a cage for two years at the age of 17, Tam's journey is one of extraordinary resilience. Today, she stands as a powerful voice in media, advocacy, and entrepreneurship. Her spirit is unbreakable, her voice unwavering, and her story—one of unmaking and remaking—is unforgettable. The vivacious Tam Lawrence has owned and operated multiple businesses for over three decades. Refusing to let corporate America define her path, she carved out her own destiny—becoming a celebrated entrepreneur, author, media mogul, and activist. From a degree in Human Services to a BA in Communication and Psychology at Marquette, and later a Master’s in Journalism from Kent University, Tam’s academic achievements are just the beginning. She toured the world as a stand-up comic, appeared on BET Comic View, and shared stages with Jamie Foxx and Sommore. Tam founded Exposure Magazine, Exposure Plus TV, and Keynote Magazine, and formed the Urban Media Union to amplify the voices of underrepresented individuals in media. Her career also includes work as a Wisconsin State Lobbyist fighting for vulnerable aging populations. But beyond titles and accolades, Tam is a mother, a survivor, and a fierce advocate for change—proof that even the most unmade stories can be rewritten into ones of impact and empowerment. 🔗 Connect with Tam Lawrence: Website: https://www.exposure-magazine.com Instagram: @iamtamlawrence YouTube: @ExposurePlusTV 🎧 Listen & Follow Other People’s Shoes: 👟 Website 🩵 Instagram 👍 Facebook 🐦 X (Twitter) 📺 YouTube 📣 Leave Us a Review: If this episode moved you, challenged you, or gave you something to think about, don’t keep it to yourself! Please leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify and let us know how stepping into Tam’s shoes impacted you.