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This is so fucking cool. Bob Nastanovich joins me this week to talk about a whack of shit including song 33!!!! Transcript: 1:00] Loretta Scars. Alex from Portland, how are you feeling about Loretta Scars? It's a great song. I've got all kinds of thoughts on it, but it's on Flannid and Enchanted, which is a great album. it's, Slanted and Enchanted is the least varied album in my opinion like, most of the songs on it are kind of of one vibe and this is definitely no exception I think it's a great vibe I enjoy it Hey this is Westy from the Rock and Roll Band. Track 3 [1:40] Pavement and you're listening to The Countdown Hey it's It's JD here back for another episode of our top 50 countdown for Seminole indie rock band Pavement. Week over week we're going to count down the 50 essential Pavement tracks that you selected with your very own top 20 ballads. I then tabulated the results using an abacus, a bicycle pump, lotion, and some biscuits for Kevin, my homemade from uni. How will your favorite songs fare in the rankings? Well, you'll need to tune in to find out. So there's that. This week we're joined by pavement superstar bob fucking nastanovich bob what is up no okay cool and you're aren't you a toronto person sure am yeah how are things there bright blue sunny skies today about five degrees celsius so that's like spring weather for us especially yeah that's nice yeah we've got I don't mean to show you up Jamie but it's 63 degrees Fahrenheit here with a light breeze and a bright sunshine oh man here in Paris Tennessee you know like a typical winter day here is kind of gray and 44 but it's especially nice. Track 3 [3:03] Today which is pretty awesome that sounds about right that sounds like good you know good walking weather so yeah how are you doing all right with this project so far so good i'm like like people are lining up to do it uh like i'm caught up through march uh i've got to do some interviews this week with people so basically people seem to be like i was like i don't know how people respond to a top 50 that they have to listen to every week but i don't know my numbers are good and um like good for me you know yeah they'll get into it yeah i think so and like just a little bit of water cooler debate right what's that bud just a little bit of water cooler debate yeah exactly you know like what if what are you fucking thinking greenlanders like greenlander was 46 six and you know people were really pleased that it made the top 50 but then there's another cohort that are like that's crazy it should be at least in the top 30 you know or whatever so no that is so weird i mean i don't um i do know people that love greenlander and i um ineffectively insisted. Track 3 [4:18] On trying to get it played live in iceland and that would have been cool yeah and um he we sound checked it and it sounded just fine for about 70 seconds and malchus was. Track 3 [4:43] Like i don't want to do that one you know and then um with him you know his attitude was so. Track 3 [4:53] Sterling in 2022 and 2023 that um you don't and he was willing to play so many, different songs because in the past like specifically in 2010 um i just think it's uh i mean i remember his attitude back then was sort of uh. Track 3 [5:18] It's going back to a more juvenile style of songwriting for him, which is more direct, but I guess maybe it kind of reminded him of certain aspects of his life. I mean, especially the earlier stuff, pre-Steve West, seems to give him a certain amount of actual PTSD, which is a word I never use. Track 3 [5:48] Self-reference um just because of um the stress caused by gary like i sat next to him when we watched the screening of gary's documentary and um it he did not i mean it's a great documentary have you seen it i did yeah it's a great documentary and i don't think they really could have done a better job and um i mean i would have been wildly pleased with...

This week on the program, Alex from Portland talks about his Pavement Origin story with jD before they gab about song 34! Transcript: Track 1 [1:00] It's Half a Canyon. Ryan, from Soundtrack Your Life, what are your initial thoughts about this song? It's a great song. I really like this song. For some reason, for a long time, I thought this was the last song on Wowie Zowie. It kind of has that epic, you know? Yeah, it has that epic finale, you know, with how it ends and just this big jam of chaos. Hey, this is Westy from the Rock. Track 3 [1:33] Roll Band, Pavement, and you're listening to The Countdown. Hey, it's JD here, back for another episode of our Top 50 Countdown for Seminole Indie Rock Band, Pavement. Week over week, we're going to countdown the 50 essential pavement tracks that you selected with your very own Top 20 ballads. I then tabulated the results using an abacus and a pool cue I broke over my knee in a moment of rage. How will your favorite song fare in the ranking? You'll need to tune in to find out. So there's that. This week we're joined by Pavement superfan Alex from Portland. Alex, how you doing, motherfucker? Fucking great, JD. How are you? Oh, man, I am stellar right now. I am feeling good. Yeah. How about you? Feeling good myself. I apologize if my vocal cords crack. I decided to sing karaoke last night. Oh, nice. Yeah. What'd you sing? Rocks Off by the Rolling Stones. Oh, wow. I went really, really hard in my Jagger mode, too. So if I sound like a mid-pubescent boy, that's why. Track 3 [2:50] That's great. Well, what do you say we talk about pavement? I'm so ready. All right. Hit me with your pavement origin story. It goes like this. So I am a millennial. I was born in 1990. So when they were doing their initial, when they were an active band recording music and touring originally, I was way too young to be a part of it or even know about it. But how I came to Pavement is, I was 15. This would have been 2005. We had a local coffee shop where I'm from, a small town in Indiana. And you would walk down there on a given night, and there would be live music. It was usually acoustic bands. And we were there, me and a couple friends of mine. And we're watching this like i don't know kind of like weird sort of indie band they were acoustic but they were still kind of like doing heavier stuff and they were catchy and interesting and weird and the lyrics didn't really make any sense and i was fascinated like at 15 years old the shit was blowing my mind and i was like hell yeah dude this band's great and i look over and we see Matt the cool kid and Matt's like this mysterious kind of you know all the boys want to be him all the girls want to be with him he's shout out to Matt that kid was just the coolest kid in our town. Track 3 [4:17] And I remember going up to Matt after the show and saying like man that band we just watched was really cool and he he takes like you know a probably a five second drag of a cigarette just goes they're just ripping off pavement man oh wow and i uh i had never i didn't know who that was but of course i'm trying to be cool for cool matt so i'm like yeah dude totally totally ripping off pavement yeah they're they're way better so i i rushed home i open up lime wire of course yeah i've been pavement into the search bar and and by the way i did want to uh i wanted to reiterate something i wrote into you when you were doing your old show uh in 2005 if you opened up you know a peer-to-peer illegal downloading app uh and you typed in pavement harness your hopes was by far the top thing that would come up really even on limewire even back then it wasn't even close like it was harness your hopes with however many thousands or hundreds of thousands of downloads And then I think cut your hair was like number two, but it was down by quite a margin. That's wild. So harness your hopes has been the fan favorite for a lot...

This week jD is joined by Ryan from the Soundtrack Your Life podcast, to discuss song number 35 on the countdown. Will it surprise you? Download and let me know! jd@meetingmalkmus.com Transcript: Track 2 [1:00] Previously on the pavement top 50. Track 1 [1:02] So there it is track 36 on the countdown is harness your hopes from the june 22nd release of the spit on a stranger ep and then later on the bright in the corner nicene creators edition reissue chad from los angeles what are you vibing with this song talk to me it's funny i i like this i mean let me preface it with i like this song a lot um is it my favorite pavement song no you know um it's probably not in my top, 25 or 30 favorite pavement songs but that is that doesn't mean that it's not a good song it's obviously it's it's a really good song i really enjoy it. Track 2 [1:51] Hey this is westy from the rock and roll band pavement and you're listening to the countdown countdown. Track 3 [1:58] Hey, it's JD here back for another episode of our top 50 countdown for seminal indie rock band, Pavement. Week over week, we're going to count down the 50 essential pavement tracks that you selected with your very own top 20 ballots. I then tabulated the results using an abacus and 10 metric rulers and a box of rat poison. How will your favorite song fare in the rankings? Well, you'll need to tune in to find out. So there's that. This week, I'm joined I'm joined by pavement superfan Ryan from Soundtrack Your Life. Ryan, how the fuck are you? I'm doing great. Excited to talk about pavement. That is good to hear. Yeah, and you came to the right place then, because that's what we're going to do. And we'll kick it right off. We won't mess around. We'll kick things right off with your pavement origin story. Track 3 [2:48] So I was in high school, and I have an older sister. I have many older sisters, but I have one specific older sister who was working in the music business, and I think she had a big hand in telling me, like, there's more to music than just what you hear on the radio. Right. And I don't know exactly how that conversation came up, but Pavement was definitely one of the bands that she recommended for me. And in 97 she was working at Capitol Records and Capitol Records co-released Brighten the Corners I did not know that yeah so they did a few different albums with Matador they did. Track 3 [3:38] Um, a couple of the John Spencer blues explosion records. Um, and they did, I think Liz fairs, white chocolate space egg album. Whoa. Okay. And so my sister sent me bright in the corner. So I think that was my first pavement album. Um, and I think I'd been exploring them, you know, through music videos on MTV. And, um, I think there was a website called like the pavement internet archive. That's some guy at some college hosted where like he had like some of the, uh, BBC sessions and stuff like that. So, you know, since I was on a high school budget, I couldn't just go out and buy all the records. So I was trying to figure out how to listen to Pavement without owning anything. Track 3 [4:21] But, I mean, eventually I got them all, but that's kind of how it all started. It was a good time to look for free music in the late 90s. I mean, with Napster and LimeWire and that kind of stuff, it was easy to track down. Was there a lot of pavement out there on those types of services when you were looking? I think the albums were out there. I think as far as like the, you know, the single B-side tracks, I don't think those were as available. I mean, once Napster got really into full gear, like everything was available. Yeah. But, you know, in like 1998, I was going to this guy's website and I think he just hosted it through like some, his college. And he just had all the B-sides and all the BBC and John Peel sessions. That must have been like a treasure chest when you found that. Oh, yeah. I remember not having enough...

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jD is joined by Pierce from Detroit to discuss his Pavement origin story and wax poetic about song 37 on the countdown. Enjoy! Transcript: [0:00] Hey, it's JD here, and I just wanted to throw something down, somewhat of a challenge to all you musically inclined folks out there. We are going to be doing a pod list again this year, and a pod list is simply a podcast playlist. It's a pod list. The previous four pod lists have consisted of talented members of our Pavement community submitting songs that they have covered from the Pavement oeuvre. Pavement adjacent songs are also welcome. So you could do PSOI, you could do Jicks, you could do Malcolm is Solo. Anything is fair game, truly. So get your band together or grab an acoustic guitar and just play your fucking guts out. From there, submit the song to me by email and we'll go from there. So please submit those songs, jd at meetingmalkmus.com, or even better, use wetransfer.com if it's a big WAV file. And WAV files are what I prefer. That will work out just magnificently. That's what she said. Podlist 5 coming July 8th. So get those songs in and be a part of something special. Thanks so much. Now, on with the show. Previously on the. Track 2: [1:26] Pavement Top 50. Without further ado, number 38, Date with Ikea. Daniel from Chicago. Hey. Talk to me about your experience with this song. Well, it was the first Pavement album that I was able to buy on its release date. So it has a special place. It was released, I think it's April 17th, 1997. And I went to my local mall and walked in and bought this album. Hey, this is Westy from the Rock and Roll Band Pavement. Track 4: [2:13] And you're listening to The Countdown. hey it's jd here back for another episode of our top 50 countdown for seminal indie rock band pavement week over week we're going tocount down the 50 essential pavement tracks that you selected with your very own top 20 ballots i tabulated the results using an abacus and a small group of children in the fourth grade,How will your favorite song fare in the rankings? Well, you'll need to tune in to find out. So there's that. This week, we're joined by Pavement superfan, Pierce from Detroit. [2:47] Pierce, how you doing, motherfucker? I'm good, I'm good. It's good to be here. Oh, it's great to have you, man. [2:54] How's the weather in the city right now? It's been unseasonably warm yesterday. We got close to 60. I think we got to 60. So you know every people in shorts and uh it's not going to be here forever it's going to be nice today again and then it's going to go you know it's uh we're still in february so. [3:16] It it's going to be some jacket weather before you know it yeah i bet yeah how about you how what's the what's the weather like there it's been the same here it's been unseasonablylike i wore a vest yesterday instead of a jacket right like kind of nice yeah i mean you know aside from the existential dread but we won't go there yeah i suppose you're right yeah so let'slet's get right to this let's talk about pavement uh you mean my favorite band your favorite band of all time yeah oh man yeah i uh i you know i i kind of i listened to a uh previous episodeand then i you know got my mind you know i'm always jump chomping at the champing at the bit to uh relay my pavement origin story. So, I mean, I don't even know if it's like, it's not anything spectacular, but I mean, I guess the thing that really strikes me is just how much the band means to me and how much musicmeans to me. And, you know, so I'm always, you know, looking to knock on somebody's door and tell them about pavement. [4:26] So where did it all begin? Well, I mean, um, you know, so I came, I found pavement, um, in high school um i uh you know i i was really into just like a lot of corporate rock youknow i was all about like you know back and bc boys which are still i i still like and value those but uh you know i mean it's listening to like the sublime and 311...

jD is back and he's joined by Daniel from Chicago to discuss his Pavement origin story and dissect track number 38. Transcript: [0:00] Hey, it's JD here, and I just wanted to throw something down, somewhat of a challenge to all you musically inclined folks out there. We are going to be doing a pod list again this year, and a pod list is simply a podcast playlist. It's a pod list. The previous four pod lists have consisted of talented members of our Pavement community submitting songs that they have covered from the Pavement oeuvre. Pavement adjacent songs are also welcome. So you could do PSOI, you could do Jicks, you could do Malcolm is Solo. Anything is fair game, truly. So get your band together or grab an acoustic guitar and just play your fucking guts out. From there, submit the song to me by email and we'll go from there. So please submit those songs, jd at meetingmalkmus.com, or even better, use wetransfer.com if it's a big WAV file. And WAV files are what I prefer. That will work out just magnificently. That's what she said. Podlist 5 coming July 8th. So get those songs in and be a part of something special. Thanks so much. Now, on with the show. Track 3: [1:24] Previously on the pavement top 50. Track 2: [1:27] What do you have to say dan from rochester about playbook oh man so um first of all when i i listened to this a lot this week and there's three versions so i did some some deepdiving into comparing the different like studio versions that are out there but the first thing that surprised me was the length is relatively short it's slightly less than three and a half minutesand to me that song always felt like very epic. Track 3: [1:58] Hey, this is Westy from the Rock and Roll Band, Pavement, and you're listening to The Countdown. Track 4: [2:05] Hey, it's J.D. here, back for another episode of our Top 50 Countdown for the seminal indie rock band, Pavement. Week over week, we're going to count down the 50 essential Pavement tracks that you selected with your very own Top 20 ballots. I then tabulated the results using an abacus and a six-pack. [2:24] Okay, there were only four left, but I was thirsty. see how will your favorite pavement song fare in the ranking you'll need to tune in to find out so there's that this week we're joinedby pavement superfan daniel daniel how are you doing motherfucker uh doing good how are you i am excellent today it's a bright and sunny day out i did a 10k walk it's uh just fantastic itis a good day it's like i'm in chicago and it's uh 50 degrees and so that's like summer so yeah right to have that in february is like just another another planet it's amazing yeah so let's getright into this let's talk about your pavement origin story daniel from chicago i am from a town in the south called montgomery alabama Okay. And I'm also 45, late Gen Xer. Discovering music in the early 90s, you really had to try to search out cool stuff, and especially in a shitty town like Montgomery, Alabama. Alabama. [3:42] There were like only one record store that was independent and you kind of had to like know a person to get there. And. [3:52] So that's a big part of my origin story is I am from a shitty place. And the more I get to know pavement, I realize that Stockton is a lot like Montgomery. It's strip malls and crime and not a lot to do, not a lot of real culture. So I see that connection now. When I was a teenager, I was into classic rock like Neil Young and Bob Dylan and Steve Miller Band, I guess, was my intro to what my dad showed me about rock and roll. But I started 10th grade and I noticed a guy had the iconic pavement sunny side up shirt. Right. And I said, this guy knows something. He kind of shined with this aura. And at the time, I didn't know much about indie rock or alternative rock. But I knew a lot about film. I was into Tarantino, and that led me to John Woo and other independent film. [5:17] I knew a lot about beat literature, like Kerouac and...

jD is back and he's with Dan from Rochester to discuss track 39! Transcript: [0:00] Hey, it's JD here, and I just wanted to throw something down, somewhat of a challenge to all you musically inclined folks out there. We are going to be doing a pod list again this year, and a pod list is simply a podcast playlist. It's a pod list. The previous four pod lists have consisted of talented members of our Pavement community submitting songs that they have covered from the Pavement Ouvra. Pavement adjacent songs are also welcome. So you could do PSOI, you could do Jicks, you could do Malcolm is Solo. Anything is fair game, truly. So get your band together or grab an acoustic guitar and just play your fucking guts out. From there, submit the song to me by email and we'll go from there. So please submit those songs, jd at meetingmalkmus.com, or even better, use wetransfer.com if it's a big WAV file. And WAV files are what I prefer. That will work out just magnificently. That's what she said. Podlist 5 coming July 8th, so get those songs in and be a part of something special. Thanks so much. Now, on with the show. Previously on the. Track 2: [1:26] Pavement Top 50 So Cam from Toronto What do you think Of Starlings of the Slipstream This is a great little song I love I love this song just as a stand alone item I love this songGoing right into the song Finn To wrap up that album But those might actually be My two favorite songs Right in the corners What a great one to punch to close things out Finn isprobably actually my favorite song on that album. Track 4: [2:05] Hey, it's JD here, back for another episode of our Top 50 Countdown for Seminole Indie Rock Band, Pavement. Week over week, we're going to count down the 50 essential Pavement tracks that you selected with your very own Top 20 Ballads. I then tabulated the results using an abacus and six boxes of M&Ms. How will your favorite song fare in this ranking? Well, you'll need to tune in to find out. So there's that. [2:31] This week, we're joined by Pavement superfan, Dan from Rochester. [2:35] I can see you right across the lake dan hey toronto oh do you remember when there was the ferry for a couple years i heard tales of that yeah yeah people were more interested ingoing to toronto from rochester and i don't think the torontans were very interested in coming here unfortunately i thought it was a cool i thought that's that's what i heard yeah yeah iwould have uh i would love if that was still a thing because uh driving to toronto you have to go all around the lake so yeah exactly it's the shortcut you know it was it was totally perfect inever used it but it was totally yeah yeah so let's talk let's talk about pavement yes let's this is this is why we're all here why we're all gathered around the fire to listen to rochester regale uswith his pavement origin story yeah so take us set the scene yeah set the scene so the scene was the the mid-90s and uh you know i was in high school and uh getting into into music anduh basically you know the internet was new um you couldn't really download songs you know if i needed if i had to if i wanted to hear a song i had to buy the cd so it was kind of uh youknow i had limited funds and limited accessibility to get to a cd store you know we had the one um one place it It was called Media Play. It was like a chain that sold CDs, you know, so it's kind of like a Best Buy or whatever. [4:02] Okay. So, you know, that was, you know, that was what I had to do. So I would sometimes take a chance on bands or CDs that I'd heard about. [4:12] And I had gotten really into R.E.M. And they were like my favorite band during that time. And so I heard about this band called Pavement that had a song about R.E.M., which I thought was so cool. [4:27] So I ended up getting that CD, the No Alternative compilation. I remember that one. Yeah, and it had Nirvana on it, and it had Smashing Pumpkins and a bunch of big bands from that time, and it...

jD is back and this week he is joined by Cam from Toronto to discuss his Pavement origin story, talk about indie music and of course to break down song number 40 in the countdown. Transcript: Track 2: [0:00] Previously on the Pavement Top 50. This is the second song from Terra Twilight on the countdown. You Are a Light was number 45. And here we are at number 41 with Major Leagues. Pete, what do you think? So I love this song. I was talking earlier about the early days of me discovering Pavement and those burned MP3 CDs. And I always loved this song. I mean, this song was the soundtrack to breakups and heartaches and lonely times. Track 3: [0:40] Hey, this is Westy from the Rock and Roll Band Pavement, and you're listening to The Countdown. Track 4: [0:49] Hey, it's JD here, back for another episode of our Top 50 Countdown for Seminole Indie Rock Band Pavement. Week over week, we're going to count down the 50 essential Pavement tracks that you selected with your very own top 20 ballots. I then tabulated the results using an abacus and, strangely, a wizard's hat. All that's left for us is to reveal this week's track. How will your favorite song fare in the ranking? You'll need to tune in, or whatever the podcast equivalent of tuning in is, every week to find out. So there's that. This week, we're joined by Pavement superfan, Cam in Toronto. Cam, how are you doing? I'm good JD how are you thank you so much for having me on I'm you know I'm the better part of good we've had some technical snafus here and we're working through it so yeah I'll beI'll be fine but enough about me let's get into you and find out your pavement origin story. [1:46] So my pavement origin story, and I was just saying off mic that I've been on many podcasts over the years, but I've never had a chance to talk about pavement in long form. So this is quite the treat. um so yeah my origin story pavement goes back to high school um so with me i mean you can really extrapolate to my kind of like what i'll just call my coolmusic um origin story that i i think for me really started in i'd say like the fall of 1994 and i always credit um major league baseball going on strike in 1994 you know as my sliding doorsmoment where maybe I would have never even cared about pavement if that didn't happen I was because I guess in that fall I think I just entered grade 11 and I was mainly just like a hugesports nerd so all I wanted to do was watch baseball and fancy baseball and NBA statistics and trading cards and like real advanced like like, sports nerdom. And then Major League Baseball went on strike, and there's no World Series that year. And I was, like, heartbroken. I needed something to fill my time. [3:02] And I don't remember exactly why. It's like, I'm going to get really into music. But I started listening to CFNY here in Toronto, where I grew up north of the city, and slowly started to get into, like, a lot of those, like, gateway bands. Bands um so there's also the the post grunge crap that was on the radio i thought i should talk crap it's all like all that stuff so like you know stone temple pilots or you know a lot of thecan con bands appear that i still love but you know i would also hear some songs by like dinosaur junior or i'd be listening on the oliver press show and they play the pixies or i hear thebreeders so you know little by little then you get into those bands and then you discover of our Sonic Youth and it quickly led me to Pavement who never had any songs on the radio but Iquickly understood that this is a band you were supposed to like if you were cool um. [4:01] And it's like Sonic Youth were definitely my first sort of favorite cool band in this post Major League Baseball strike phase. And I still really like them, but I still to this day find them a little atonal. Because at heart, I still love like Top 40 and like Pop Hooks and stuff. So Papin were sort of the best version of sort of, you know, poppy, hooky...

jD is talking to Pavement super-fan Pete from Malaga this week on the pod. You'll learn all about his Pavement origin story and hear their breakdown of song number 41 on the countdown Transcript: Track 1: [0:00] Previously on the pavement top 50. Track 2: [0:02] Okay track number 42 easily fooled comes from the rattled by da rush ep and um it's the third track on that ep and it later appeared on the sorted sentinel edition of wowie zowiereissue along with its ep bandmate false scorpion and it was track number 22 on that uh second disc of the sorted sentinels uh collection three issue so alan yeah what do you think ofeasily fooled love it love it love it love it it's on like i said to you off off air it's probably one of my favorite tracks alongside here yeah it just it's just such an amazing track Love themeandering nature of it. Just really acerbic lyrics. And yeah, it's an awesome, awesome track to jam along to. Track 3: [1:01] Hey, this is Westy from the rock and roll band Pavement, and you're listening to The Countdown. Hey. Track 6: [1:09] It's JD here, back for another episode of our top 50 countdown for seminal indie rock band Pavement. Week over week, we're going to count down the 50 essential Pavement tracks that you selected with your very own top 20 ballots. I tabulated the results using an advanced abacus and some spilled toothpicks on the floor. And all that's left for us to reveal is this week's track. How will your favorite song fare in the rating? You'll need to tune in or whatever the podcast equivalent of tuning in is every week to find out. So there's that. Track 5: [1:43] This week. Track 6: [1:44] We're joined by Pavement superfan, Pete. Pete how are you doing motherfucker getting over the fact that you said abacus and toothpicks you're like you're you're like you're like a Idon't know you're a cross between like an old Chinese medicine man and fucking rain man didn't he didn't he count toothpicks he did. [2:13] I'm good man i'm good i'm thanks for thanks for having me no it's my pleasure to have you on the show the legendary pete marchica of marchica easy easy easy so talk to me a littlebit about your pavement origin story pavement origin story um so i think it's fair it's it's it's important to point out that early on so I came to pavement right as they broke up like I was likediscovered this amazing band and the record that had just come out, was Steve Malcolm's self-titled debut and so this is the in after days and a A buddy of mine, Moe, who you know I'vespoke of a number of times, who incidentally knows Spiral well, he was burning discs like nobody's business. He was a master pirate and was burning a bunch of pavement stuff. Track 5: [3:22] I'm like. Track 6: [3:23] This band is fucking awesome. And I really couldn't at the time differentiate between the Malcolm of Souls stuff and pavement itself. And. Track 5: [3:34] I mean. Track 6: [3:35] I think probably the first Pavement song maybe I ever heard was... [3:41] Elevate me later or stereo one of those two both good songs to start with yeah and then got to the point to where i had a couple of these like compilation burns of napster tunes frompavement and uh and they just i just listened to the shit out of them i would sometimes i would leave them in my car and i noticed my mom started liking like pavement stuff because therewere like some PSO I sprinkled in there too oh yeah yeah yeah there was one song actually that was a spiral tune I want to say it was date with Ikea right and when you downloaded itfrom Napster there was a there was like a a opener tag like sometimes you get the file and the file would just be be whatever that person that was on the file sharing gave you andsometimes it wouldn't be the song but you know this happened to be the song but it would start with this really cool jingle, and this beautiful woman with a beautiful voice and she wouldjust say encoded by easy mp3. [4:55] It was uh i guess it...

On the podcast this week jD is in conversation with Pavement super-fan Alan. Listen in as they discuss his Pavement origin story and analyze song number 42 on the countdown. Transcript: Track 1: [0:00] Previously on the Pavement Top 50. Track 2: [0:02] All right, that was the fifth track from Bright in the Corners, Old to Begin. It's our third song from Bright in the Corners on the countdown so far. Of course, number 50 was Blue Hawaiian. And just last week, we listened to Embassy Row at number 44. So here we are with Old to Begin. In Josh and Pittsburgh, what do you think of this as track number 43? I love it. I love it. It was in my top 20. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah. I was kind of sitting at my desk at work thinking about where I rank these songs and set you back, set you back, set you back. Just kept ringing in my head. It's not, you know, it's probably lower down in my 20, but it's in my 20. Track 3: [0:52] Hey, this is Westy from the Rock and Roll Band Pavement, and you're listening to The Countdown. Hey. Track 1: [1:01] It's J.D. here, back for another episode of our Top 50 Countdown for Seminole Indie Rock Band Pavement. Week over week. Track 4: [1:08] We're going to countdown the 50 essential pavement tracks that you selected with your very own Top 20 ballads. Track 1: [1:14] I tabulated the results using an advanced abacus and my toes, and all that's left is for us to reveal this week's track. How will your favorite song fare in the ranking? You'll need to tune in. Track 4: [1:26] Or whatever the podcast equivalent of tuning in is. Track 1: [1:30] To find out. This week we're joined by Pavement superfan. Track 4: [1:33] Alan. Track 1: [1:34] So there's that. Alan! Hello. How are you doing, motherfucker? I'm very good, motherfucker. It's a bit cold here. Yeah, brother. Yeah, man. It's good to have you here. Thank you. It's lovely to be here. Where where are we talking to you from right now so i i am a glaswegian i'm a scotsman but i, uprooted to finland uh eight years ago so we live on the west coast of finland so kind of likein in the glasgow of of finland i would say the glasgow of finland glasgow finland yeah man so it's a very cool very cool place then because glasgow is very fucking cool Yeah, this is very,very cool just now, literally, because it's minus 25. So what is the closest city? Next biggest one here is probably Vasa. Okay. Population size. My Scandinavian geography isn't what it should be, but... We're about... [2:34] Three and a half hours on the train from helsinki so oh okay we we are we're quite quite probably about two thirds of the way up if you if you drive for another three hours thenyou're starting to hit like the arctic circle okay wow yeah that's that's wild that is so wild yeah well let's talk about pavement absolutely talk to me about your experience with payment oryour pavement origin and story yeah so i was one of the people that first heard pavement uh on the john peel show on radio one would have been um i don't know if you know who johnpeel is he was like a seminal he's a really really important dj in the uk um he just had the most eclectic eccentric taste of music so it'd be a bit of heavy dub reggae one minute some youknow post-industrial the next and And then he basically would just. Track 4: [3:32] He would put anything on and he just. Track 1: [3:35] He was a massive pavement fan as well. Track 4: [3:37] So I would have heard him on his show. I had a great friend called Mark Porchani, who was, in those days, he was an avid cassette taper of all the radio shows. I believe that he still has his archive stretching back then. Track 1: [3:52] So he might be someone that would be good for you to speak to. Holy shit. Yeah, man. That would be cool to get digitized. Yeah. Track 4: [3:59] Man. Track 1: [3:59] Well I can we can speak after this but I'll I'll yeah I think he would be someone really fascinating for you to speak to as well anyway...

This week jD is joined by Pavement super-fan Josh in Pittsburgh to discuss his Pavement origin story and dissect song number 43 on the countdown. Transcript: Track 1: [0:00] Previously on the Pavement Top 50. Track 2: [0:02] Okay, so the number 44 track, you've just heard it. It's Embassy Row, the second song from Bright in the Corners after Blue Hawaiian at number 50 on the countdown. Scott, what do you think of Embassy Row at number 44? Embassy Row, I do love. The things I like about it is it kind of lulls you in with this. I feel Marcus kind of does quite a lot with his lyrics and his melodies. They're kind of like nursery rhymes, the way they flow. floor and the structure of the set is quite kind of nice. Track 3: [0:34] Hey this is Westy from the Rock and Roll Band Pavement and you're listening to The Countdown. Hey it's JD here back for another episode of our Top 50 Countdown for Seminole Indie Rock Band Pavement. Track 6: [0:50] Week over week we're going to count down the 50 essential pavement tracks that you selected with your very own top 20 ballots. I then tabulated the results using an abacus and strangely a change counter. And all that's left for us to reveal is this week's track. How will your favorite song fare in the ranking? You'll need to tune in or whatever the podcast equivalent of tuning in is every week to find out. So there's that. This week we're joined by Pavement superfan Josh in Pittsburgh. Josh, how are you doing, motherfucker? I'm pretty good, JD. How are you doing? i'm great thanks for asking so uh what's the weather like in pittsburgh right now cold it's been below freezing it's been snowy and icy it's a bit of areprieve today is it's only going to be about 32 but then we're supposed to get another like two to four inches in and around the city here in the next couple days oh my gosh we've beenvery fortunate here in toronto it's cold cold as hell but no snow so far like really there's been a couple inches but it's like like not staying on the ground. Track 3: [1:56] Yeah. Track 6: [1:56] It's just not as much snow as it feels like we had when we were kids. No, definitely not. It feels like there was like walls of snow when I've traveled my sidewalk. Yeah. That might be my height. I don't know. So let's not beat around the bush here. Let's talk about pavement. Let's hear your pavement origin story. Well, it starts with Malcolm's self-titled In Earnest. I'll work back a little bit. Track 1: [2:30] Sure. Track 6: [2:32] Well, I'm 46. I'm a full-blown child of the 90s. I think i was 13 to 23 in that decade so super formative years yeah um hugely into beastie boys and nirvana and primus all things less claypool all that and um definitely was hearingpavement probably beavis and butthead was maybe my first exposure uh you know cut your hair and i think i remember in college we're like maybe around 98 99 i went down to the localrecord store in burlington vermont and i got um some tapes because i i had unearthed an old walkman and i got like slick rick the artist storytelling and something else and i got crookedrain crooked rain on tape i was like you know i need to i need to get back into this pavement thing a little more and see what's going on and gold sounds became quite an anthem for mei'm um i was a huge fish I'm a big Phish fan, the band Phish. And I was in Pittsburgh, of course, because I live here, when they played here one summer, and they covered Gold Sounds by Pavement. They did? And I was just like, you know, worlds colliding in the perfect way. Yeah, Phish has covered quite a few indie bands. Trey's got a big indie thing. Malcolmus was at a Phish show recently with Jake. Track 1: [3:53] Oh. Track 6: [3:54] Wow. Up in Seattle. I know the Jicks drummer. He took him, he's a big Dead and Fish fan, and he took Malcolm to do a show, I think. [4:02] So, um, you know, they were definitely on the radar, but they weren't like penultimate for me yet. And...

jD is back and this week he's joined by Pavement super-fan Scott to discuss song number 44 on the countdown. Transcript: Track 1: [0:00] Previously on the Pavement Top 50. Track 2: [0:02] So this is song number 45 on the countdown. And it is our first track from Terra Twilight on the list so far. It is You Are a Light. What do you think of this track, Matt? Personally, and hey, you know, not trying to be controversial. I like it. I think it's great. Track 3: [0:28] Oh. Track 2: [0:29] That's not controversial. Track 3: [0:31] I guess you're right. Track 2: [0:32] I guess everybody wrote in. Track 3: [0:35] Hey, this is Westy from the Rock and Roll Band Pavement, and you're listening to The Countdown. Hey, it's J.D. here. Track 4: [0:45] Back for another episode of our Top 50 Countdown for the seminal indie rock band, Pavement. Week over week, we're going to count down the 50 essential pavement tracks that you selected with your very own top 20 ballots. ballots. I tabulated the results using advanced mathematics and an abacus I found somewhere in a junk pile. And all that's left for us is to reveal this week's track. How will your favorite song fare in the ranking? Well, you'll need to tune in or whatever the podcast equivalent of tuning in is every week to find out. So there's that. This week we're joined by Pavement superfan Scott. Scott, got. How are you doing, motherfucker? Track 3: [1:28] I'm decent, you handsome bastard. How are you doing, JP? I'm great. Thanks for asking. Track 4: [1:34] Where are we talking to you from? Track 3: [1:35] Where are you? Track 4: [1:36] I'm living in Aberdeen, Scotland at the moment. So we've recently had a good flurry of snow, a good few inches. So it's been pretty. Track 3: [1:43] To use a Scottish term for the weather. Track 4: [1:46] It's been pretty Baltic here. Pretty Baltic. That's great. Yeah. You don't normally get snow? Track 3: [1:54] We do. Track 4: [1:55] Or just a little bit? Track 3: [1:56] Usually when we do it snows it properly snows yeah no no that's slight little flurry tickling you, no we we get battered with it so yeah it's been a pretty it's been the coldest it's beenfor a while though saying that uh well pretty much in the mine it's all week so it's yeah not been ideal not been great for driving but it'll go it's it's going away into the weekends yeahgoodbye yeah Yeah. Track 4: [2:21] That's right. We're getting closer to spring. Yeah. Thank fuck. I just hate these nights, these dark nights, you know? It used to never bother me. I used to feel I was a bit of a creature of the night, and I enjoyed the darkness and all of that. Now I'm a little bit older, I'm like, give me some sunshine. Yeah, absolutely. Track 3: [2:43] Let me see more of the day. Yeah. Track 4: [2:47] Yeah. Track 3: [2:48] Well. Track 4: [2:49] Let's get into this. Okay. I would love to hear your Pavement origins story. So take me away on a journey. Track 3: [2:56] I will. I'd say it's kind of in two parts. So first time I heard Pavement. Track 4: [3:01] I was a big music fan growing up in my youth. When I got the age of being able to buy my own music, that's when Britpop hit the UK. Track 3: [3:11] So Oasis. Track 4: [3:13] Blah, Pulp, these were all my bands that were my thing. Track 3: [3:16] It to them. Track 4: [3:17] And it wasn't until 97 when Bluff came out with our, in my opinion. Track 3: [3:21] Our best album Blur. Track 4: [3:24] Which had song two, Beatleburn, et cetera. Yeah. And a heavier sound. Track 3: [3:28] Which regarded to some of us as a more American sound, whatever that equates to. Track 4: [3:35] But it was a bit more alternative. It was not as kind of shiny pop as they can have been doing. The cheeky chappiness of Blur had kind of ditched that, wanted to go something a bit more harder. Track 6: [3:48] A bit more kind of probably truer to what they were listening to. Track 4: [3:52] And I...

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jD is joined by Matt F Basler to discuss his experience with Pavement and to analyze song number 45 on the countdown. Transcript: Track 1: [0:00] Previously on the Pavement Top 50. Track 2: [0:02] So there you go. At number 46, it's the third Wowie Zowie song to chart behind Best Friend's Arm at number 49. And Motion suggests itself at 48. Here we are at 46 with We Dance, the first track of the 2005 masterpiece Wowie Zowie. Maui. Keith, what do you think about We Dance? So, yeah, I think it's a great song. I love how it leads off the album. It's got like, I feel like it has this ethereal quality to it. Like that kind of just, I don't know, it seems just kind of dreamy sort of for me. I don't know if that's how it comes off to anyone else at the beginning of the song. Track 3: [0:59] Hey, this is Westy from the Rock and Roll Band, Pavement, and you're listening to The Countdown. Hey, it's JD here, back for another episode of our Top 50 Countdown for the Seminole Indie Rock Band. Track 6: [1:12] Pavement. Week over week, we're going to count down the 50 essential Pavement tracks that you selected with your very own Top 20 ballads. I then tabulated the results using an advanced abacus and, well, frankly, a calculator. And all that's left for us to reveal is this week's track. How will your favorite song fare in the rating? Well, you'll need to tune in or whatever the podcast equivalent of tuning in is, I suppose, downloading to find out. Track 3: [1:38] This week. Track 6: [1:39] We're joined by a Pavement superfan, Matt F. Bosler. So there's that. How are you doing, Matt? I'm wonderful. This is good to hear. Yeah, no, I think so. Yeah, man. Uh it's a snowy blustery day where i am very cold what's it like where you're at uh same so i'm in i'm in uh st louis missouri it's it's a frozen hellscape currently, so i'm in a robe right nowi'm in our our place is cold we can't keep it warm ceilings are too tall oh my god that's terrible that's a but in the summer i bet you it's awesome it's hot then, there's no good time there's nogood period oh man well maybe when the cardinals play i don't know are you a cardinals guy i'm not a sports guy not a sports guy at all i i'll fake it sometimes right get by you know right,I've learned how to say how about them cards, that's great you got it nailed you got this whole thing figured out. Track 3: [2:59] Well. Track 6: [2:59] Motherfucker, we're here to talk about your pavement experience. And I've been calling it your pavement origin story. So why don't you share with us what that looks like? Well, I see a post. I see a post out there on the internet. It says like, oh, we're talking about the top 50 pavement songs. Would any of you like to talk about it? Maybe discuss your origin stories? Reason i say i say to myself i say matt uh perhaps you would be a unique perspective on something like this as i am what i think especially in the world of pavement fans i'm a fairly newuh of pavement fan i'm a newcomer uh to to the band now i'm a i'm a coming of age in the the 90s. Track 3: [3:53] You know? Track 6: [3:54] I'm listening to Nirvana, Pixies, Replacements. I'm a cool guy. We were from a small town in Missouri, though, so it was difficult to figure out what was cool and what wasn't cool. Coolest things we were reading were like Guitar Player Magazine, and then you'd find out about a band from someone else. You'd bump into a cool person, and they'd go like, Like, I've never heard of, I don't know, some band, you know? Ever heard of the Stooges? And you'd go, no. Well, somehow, I had gotten it in my brain that I'm sure you're aware of Nu Metal and, Saliva, perhaps, or Korn, certainly. Track 3: [4:46] Sure. Track 6: [4:46] Backwards K, yeah. Yeah. Somehow in my brain, I thought Pavement was a new metal band. Get out. Now, I don't know how this happened. Maybe the name, maybe the way the name was written at some point, the logo. Sure. And so I totally...

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jD is back with Keith from New York to discuss song number 46 in the countdown. Transcript: Track 2: [0:00] Previously on the Pavement Top 50. The song that we are, of course. [0:04] Talking about, if you haven't put it together yet, number 47, is Greenlander. David from London, Ontario. What do you think of Greenlander? I really like this song. This is one that I only came across, again, not to keep repeating myself, but over the kind of COVID lockdown days, where with my extra time, I was going throughsome of the more back catalog, catalog uh some of the extra kind of bonus songs that were not included on the albums when they first got released uh and as well through listening to uhyour podcast and the pavement conundrum podcast uh they also helped to introduce me to some other songs that i was kind of not aware of as well as getting the the westing uhcompilation album as well uh but yeah this song i enjoy a lot and uh one thing that hit me as well on this one is it has that kind of little more slow reflective reflective kind of pace to it,vibe to it. It's not a heavy rock band. Really chill, right? Yeah, exactly. Welcome to the. Track 4: [1:10] Pavement, and now on with a countdown. [1:15] Hey, it's JD here, back for another episode of our Top 50 Countdown for Seminole Indie Rock Band, Pavement. Week over week, we're going to count down the 50 essential pavement tracks that you selected with your very own top 20 ballots. I, of course, tabulated the results using an advanced abacus and my fingers and toes. All that's left for us is to reveal this week's track. How will your favorite track fare in the ranking? You'll need to tune in or whatever the podcast equivalent of tuning in is to find out. This week we're joined by pavement superfan keith from new york so there's that how are you doing motherfucker i'm doing great i'm doing great how how are you how are you doing ahi'm fantastic i am i am just raring at the bit to to learn from you and about you blind um so yeah do you want is what do you want to start off where i uh well let's start off at the start wheredid you where did you um first experience the band so i think the first time i saw them was at the tibetan freedom concert i think that was in 1997 it was in new york city at uh randall'sisland um i didn't really know who they were so i don't know i'm not sure i paid that much attention to them i remember watching them um and. [2:44] And then I saw their album in HMV. They used to have the listening stations. Yeah. And I think it was Bright in the Corners. It was one of the albums. That would make sense. 97. And I didn't like the cover art, and I just kind of dismissed it. Oh, wow. Yeah. But then I was in a dollar bin. A few years later, it had to be 1998, somewhere around there, 1999. And i picked up a copy of wowie zowie along with built to spill is perfect from now on i hadn't heard either of the bands and i started listening to it and i really liked them um so i got intothem i started listening a lot more and then i got to see pavement for the first time at uh the matador 10th anniversary party in new york it was at irving no yeah and that was my firstexperience and seeing them, paying attention to them live. Paying attention to them where you went to see them. Well, talk to me about this show. How was it? Oh, it was great. It was a fantastic show. I always wished they would release it because I know they recorded it because it was on the website for like a week afterwards on the Matador website. So I know that there was some kind of archive of it somewhere. But yeah, it was great. There was a bunch of bands. I think Cat Power was there also. [4:08] What else was there? Maybe Guitar Wolf, someone else. But yeah, it was great. David Cross, I think, was the host. It was a really great show. Oh, man. What a show. Yeah. [4:19] Um yeah it was a lot of fun i had a great time um two big concerts like i mean the fact that you can say tibetan...

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jD talks with David from London Ontario about track number 47! Transcript: Track 2: [0:00] Previously on the pavement top 50 some motion. [0:03] Suggests itself patrick weigh in on this as your number 48 track uh i think this song is is one of those like perfect pavement songs that only pavement could pull off welcome to thepavement, Pavement. Track 4: [0:27] And now on with a countdown. Hey, it's JD here, back for another episode of our Top 50 Countdown for Seminole Indie Rock Band, Pavement. Week over week, we're going to count down the 50 essential Pavement tracks that you selected with your very own Top 20 ballads. I tabulated the results using complex algebra and an advanced abacus. And all that's left is for us to reveal this week's track. How will your favorite song fare in the rating? You'll need to tune in or whatever the podcast equivalent of tuning in is to find out. Subscribing, I suppose. This week, we're joined by Pavement superfan David from London, Ontario. So there's that. How are you doing, motherfucker? [1:18] I am well, and I thank you for including me in this experience to be on on the podcast and discuss some pavement. Oh, the pleasure is all mine. This is great. Just a bit of background. David and I met through the podcast, exchanged emails along the way, and then we actually got to go to the Massey Hall concert here in Toronto, and Davidended up going backstage and saying hi to the gang. So there's that. How was that? That was quite an experience. And it was very chill, which I guess surprised me a little bit until I realized that, you know, that they're people. And from my side, they're celebrities. But I mean, once you get to know them, they're people. So they're winding down after a show, and they had some family there, and they had some friends back there. And so you kind of just joined right into that experience with them. And you kind of seen the different conversations that were going on. And again, seeing them kind of coming in and out, as well as the friends and family. And that was quite nice. The members that I was able to engage with, I really appreciated. To some degree, all five of them I did engage with. [2:31] I have to admit that when I saw Stephen Malcomus, I was a bit starstruck. So, more than the other ones. And I was. So, for him, I squeaked out a, hey, Steve, or something like that, and gave him like an air pump. And that was the extent of it. My longest conversation would have been with Steve West. And I appreciate the time he He gave me their talk to, I asked him a couple of silly questions and about. What a giant eyes. Oh, all of them are terrific. And that's the truth. I talked to Spiral briefly and just kind of talked to him about his recent album, Medley Attack, and how much I enjoyed that. And I was one of the few fans that actually. Yes, thank you. I was one of the few fans that ordered the hat, bought the hat, his baseball hat. So he got a kick out of that to meet one of the ones, maybe one of the only ones in Canada who bought it. And so that was neat. and then Mark Eibold was hello, I told him I was a big fan, but. [3:24] Didn't have the opportunity to get into any deeper than that. And then I saw Bob. He's tough to nail down. Yeah, but I mean, he seemed like a genuinely really kind, personable person. So I fed off of that at the same time. Yeah. Bob gave me a hug, and that was probably the highlight of my evening. And I ordered some records from him through Broker's Tip Records, which is not around anymore, unfortunately. I know. What the hell, Bob? I guess it was a lot of work, probably for a little reward, maybe. I don't know, but definitely a lot of work. Great experience altogether, though. So getting backstage and meeting you there in person, too, was great. That was really cool, right? That was a lot of fun. Yeah. I, of course, had a massive panic attack and couldn't go backstage, but that's life in Hollywood,...

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jD is back and he's joined by Patrick from middle America to discuss the 48th song on the Top 50 countdown. Transcript: Track 2: [0:00] Previously on the pavement top 50 track number 49 best friend's arm dan what are your thoughts, oh man well this um this this this track was really my introduction to wowie zowieum i didn't own it at the time and um my friend andy used to have it and uh out of all the tracks i used to make this and put this on repeatedly uh say we used to sit on the floor and listen toit and i I used to roll around kind of, I wasn't exactly laughing, but it's just like, I just couldn't get over how mad and how fun that track is. Welcome. Track 4: [0:43] Nustanovich from Pavement and now on with a countdown. Hey, it's JD here back for another episode of our Top 50 Countdown for Seminole Indie Rock Band, Pavement. Week over week, we're going to count down the 50 essential pavement tracks that you selected with your very own top 20 ballots. I tabulated the results using an advanced abacus, and all that's left is for us to reveal this week's track number 48. How will your favorite track fare in the ranking? You'll need to tune in, or whatever the podcast equivalent of tuning in is to find out. This week we're joined by pavement superfan patrick from middle america so there's that, how are you doing motherfucker i'm doing so well thank you so much for having me uh youryour podcast helped me through the pandemic for sure so oh dude that's so nice to hear you say uh you know sometimes i feel like i'm just talking into a microphone because it's i don'thave a i I don't have a co-host for this podcast, but now I do now with the top 50, I've got a different pot, a different podcast co-host every week. And that's kind of cool that I'm getting to meet some people, but I appreciate that. Happy to be here. I like your beanie. [2:00] I'm wearing a black one. You're wearing a bright, like it's almost a few shop. Is it red? It's orange. It's orange. Yeah. Orange. Yeah. I like it. I have several because I live in cold areas. so. [2:16] So whereabouts in middle America do you hail, if you want to reveal it? Yeah, currently I'm in Des Moines, Iowa. Oh, okay. I recently just vacated from St. Paul, Minnesota. So I was tricking myself into believing I could have an apartment in two different towns. [2:38] So now I'm just in Des Moines right now. But Minneapolis, St. Paul is probably where I would want to be, I guess. Yeah, it's a nice city. Yeah, nice twin cities, I suppose. It's the best up there. So but I'm in Des Moines currently. Is Des Moines where Bob was? Yeah, former home of Bob Nesanovic. Yeah. Okay, I thought he was from there. Yep, I was. I've been, you know, if you're a pavement fan and you're in Des Moines and you're running sound at a music venue and you go down thestairs and then you see a guy from your third favorite band standing at the bar uh you uh you definitely go and buy him a beer and then if you buy yeah if you buy bob mistanovich a beernext thing you know you're over at his house hanging out and he's telling stories about the beastie boys or something so i have no fucking way yeah yeah so um yeah my origin story withpavement is strange because they were my favorite band when I was 16 years old. And then, you know, when I was in my lower thirties, we were getting to open for them on their reunion tour. And Bob's singing on my old band Seven Inch because he just is in Des Moines. And if you're a Pavement fan in Des Moines, you're bound to bump into Bob and then you're bound to be buddies with him. [4:02] Dude, you got to tell me more about this. Let's go. Dig in. All right. You're opening for Pavement. Let's talk about this. And he's singing on your seven inch. Let's talk about this. Okay. Uh, well, I, when, like I said, when I was 16 years old, 15, 16 in the mid nineties, uh, you know, payment was one of my favorite bands. You know, they've, they've always been in my top three...