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Send us a text 🎙 Episode 120: Christopher Herrero – The Art of Band is the Art of War This week on The Score, Eric and Justin sit down with Christopher Herrero, Director of Bands at the legendary Edna Karr High School in New Orleans. 🔥 A proud Karr alum and the first Latino Tuba Section Leader at Jackson State University, Herrero returned home to lead the very program that shaped him—reviving its legacy, growing student membership, and infusing new purpose into every rehearsal. 💡 From the battlefield of competition to the classroom of community, Christopher shares how discipline, strategy, and heart collide to create excellence—and why he believes “The Art of Band is The Art of War.” ▶️ LISTEN NOW: https://linktr.ee/thescorepodcast 🎧 Hit play. Get inspired. Share with your people. — 📢 Spread the Word: Know someone building greatness in their program? Tag them! 📱 Stay Connected: Follow us @podthescore for more episodes and updates. Support the show Connect with us on Facebook, Twitter & Instagram: @podthescore Email: podthescore@gmail.com | The Score Podcast Website Support The Score on Patreon or Paypal Music Credits: Intro: Justin McLean In Rotation & Outro: Ben Bohorquez - @jamin_music

Send us a text In this powerful and reflective episode of The Score, Eric and Justin sit down with Dr. Derrick Fox (@singingingfox1), Associate Dean of Graduate Studies, Research, and Creative Endeavors and Associate Director of Choral Programs at the Michigan State University College of Music. Dr. Fox opens up about his journey as a leader, educator, and artist — exploring how self-determination, intentionality, and community have shaped his path. From navigating barriers as a Black musician in predominantly white spaces to empowering the next generation of music educators, his story reminds us that true leadership begins with purpose and accountability. Listeners will hear Dr. Fox’s insights on mentorship, vulnerability in leadership, and what it truly means to create spaces where every voice is valued. His message, “If it is to be, it is up to me,” challenges us all to step into our power — not only as educators, but as agents of change. Whether you’re a classroom teacher, conductor, or future arts leader, this conversation will leave you inspired to reflect, act, and uplift those around you. 🎧 Listen now and join the movement to redefine leadership in music education: https://linktr.ee/thescorepodcast 📱 Follow Dr. Fox: www.drderrickfox.com | Instagram: @singingingfox1 #TheScorePodcast #MusicEducation #Leadership #ChoralMusic #ArtsLeadership #RepresentationMatters #EricAndJustin #IfItIsToBeItIsUpToMe Support the show Connect with us on Facebook, Twitter & Instagram: @podthescore Email: podthescore@gmail.com | The Score Podcast Website Support The Score on Patreon or Paypal Music Credits: Intro: Justin McLean In Rotation & Outro: Ben Bohorquez - @jamin_music

Send us a text 🎙 Episode 118: Más Que Música – Identity & Accessibility in Music Education In this week’s episode of The Score, Eric and Justin sit down with Daniel Flores (@trumpetpapi) — musician, content creator, and advocate for culturally rooted music education. Daniel shares his journey growing up in underfunded, majority-Hispanic music programs, and how those early experiences shaped his passion for making music more accessible and meaningful for all students. From starting the first collegiate mariachi ensemble in Illinois to helping other student groups across the country form their own, Daniel has been at the forefront of pushing for representation in spaces that often overlook genres like mariachi, banda, and conjunto. His story sheds light on the challenges of advocating for underrepresented traditions in predominantly white institutions, and the resilience required to keep that work moving forward. We also dive into Daniel’s role as a digital educator on TikTok and Instagram, where he uses his platforms to “democratize” music education and connect with students and audiences beyond the classroom. He opens up about the rewards and roadblocks of partnering with institutions and brands as a non-conservatory trained musician, and how social media has become a powerful tool for both advocacy and teaching. Whether you’re an educator looking to expand your repertoire, a student navigating questions of identity in music, or simply someone curious about how tradition and innovation collide, this conversation offers practical takeaways and plenty of inspiration. 👉 Listen now and join us as we explore what it means to go beyond the staff — to embrace music as a vehicle for culture, identity, and access. 🔗 Listen here: https://linktr.ee/thescorepodcast Support the show Connect with us on Facebook, Twitter & Instagram: @podthescore Email: podthescore@gmail.com | The Score Podcast Website Support The Score on Patreon or Paypal Music Credits: Intro: Justin McLean In Rotation & Outro: Ben Bohorquez - @jamin_music

Send us a text This week on The Score, Eric and Justin dive into one of the toughest balancing acts in music education: creating strong classroom culture and managing discipline—without losing the spark that makes music joyful. 🔥 From setting expectations on Day 1 to navigating those inevitable tough moments, Eric and Justin share real stories, lessons learned, and strategies that keep students accountable and inspired. 💡 Whether you’re a new teacher building your first program or a veteran director rethinking your approach, this episode is packed with practical insights and honest reflections you can take straight to your classroom. ▶️ LISTEN NOW: https://linktr.ee/thescorepodcast 🎧 Hit play. Get inspired. Share with your people. Support the show Connect with us on Facebook, Twitter & Instagram: @podthescore Email: podthescore@gmail.com | The Score Podcast Website Support The Score on Patreon or Paypal Music Credits: Intro: Justin McLean In Rotation & Outro: Ben Bohorquez - @jamin_music

Send us a text The Score is kicking off the school year with fresh energy and new perspectives! Eric and Justin are back to talk about what it really takes to start strong—whether you’re leading a high school ensemble, shaping young minds in elementary, or finding your rhythm as a new teacher. 🎯 In this episode, Justin shares his journey transitioning from secondary to elementary music teaching—what’s surprised him, what’s challenged him, and the lessons he’s already learned. Eric brings insights from the field, highlighting trends, strategies, and the mindset shifts music educators need to thrive in 2025. 💬 From setting up classrooms to setting the tone for a new year, we’re getting honest about the preparation, flexibility, and creativity it takes to make back-to-school season successful and joyful. 💡 If you’re looking for practical tips, fresh inspiration, and a few laughs to start your school year, this episode is for you. Please check out this week's episode to be encouraged and inspired. Enjoy and share!!! 🌟 ▶️ LISTEN NOW: https://linktr.ee/thescorepodcast 🎧 Start your school year with purpose, community, and a little bit of fire. — 📢 Spread the Word: Tag a friend, colleague, or someone who’s ready to make a difference in the music classroom this year. 📱 Stay Connected: Follow us @podthescore for updates, future episodes, and more. Support the show Connect with us on Facebook, Twitter & Instagram: @podthescore Email: podthescore@gmail.com | The Score Podcast Website Support The Score on Patreon or Paypal Music Credits: Intro: Justin McLean In Rotation & Outro: Ben Bohorquez - @jamin_music

Send us a text After a brief break, The Score is back in full effect! Eric and Justin reunite at the mics to reflect, recharge, and refocus on what matters most: music education, leadership, and building spaces where all students thrive. 🎯 In this episode, we unpack where we’ve been, what’s changed in the world of education, and why this next chapter feels more urgent—and more exciting—than ever. 💬 From burnout to breakthroughs, we’re getting real about the challenges educators face and the responsibility we all carry to keep pushing forward. 💡 If you’ve ever needed a reset or a reminder that your work matters—this episode is for you. Please check out this week's episode to be encouraged and inspired. Enjoy and share!!! 🌟 ▶️ LISTEN NOW: https://linktr.ee/thescorepodcast 🎧 Start your school year with purpose, community, and a little bit of fire. — 📢 Spread the Word: Tag a friend, colleague, or someone who’s ready to make a difference in the music classroom this year. 📱 Stay Connected: Follow us @podthescore for updates, future episodes, and more. Support the show Connect with us on Facebook, Twitter & Instagram: @podthescore Email: podthescore@gmail.com | The Score Podcast Website Support The Score on Patreon or Paypal Music Credits: Intro: Justin McLean In Rotation & Outro: Ben Bohorquez - @jamin_music

Send us a text Our first collab with The Relative Pitch Podcast! Support the show Connect with us on Facebook, Twitter & Instagram: @podthescore Email: podthescore@gmail.com | The Score Podcast Website Support The Score on Patreon or Paypal Music Credits: Intro: Justin McLean In Rotation & Outro: Ben Bohorquez - @jamin_music

Send us a text In this week's episode, Eric and Justin get to interview Dr. Ruben James Alcala. Dr. Alcala serves as the Vocal and Elementary Music Coordinator for Fort Worth ISD. Listen in as we journey through a decorated career and the genesis story of how music changed his career trajectory. This conversation paints a beautiful picture of Dr. Alcala’s journey that fuels his convictions and has made his quest more impactful for the students he serves. Please check out this week's episode to be encouraged and inspired. Enjoy and share!!! In Rotation: Eric- "Lucid Dreams" Leon Thomas feat. Masego Justin- "My Last Two Dollars" Johnny Taylor Ruben- T-Pain Support the show Connect with us on Facebook, Twitter & Instagram: @podthescore Email: podthescore@gmail.com | The Score Podcast Website Support The Score on Patreon or Paypal Music Credits: Intro: Justin McLean In Rotation & Outro: Ben Bohorquez - @jamin_music

Send us a text In this week's episode, Eric and Justin dive into a conversation about the longevity of relationships built with students that extend beyond the band hall. We, as music educators, have a great opportunity to invest in our kids for now and for years down the road. Both Eric and Justin recall moments that have afforded them a place to still have the space to continue to pour and mentor. This episode is to inspire and help all of our listeners see the opportunity we have to continue being an oasis of help for young minds. Please check out this week's episode to be encouraged and inspired. Enjoy and share!!! In Rotation: Eric- De Parranda & Tobe Nswige, PJ Morton - "We Need Angels" Justin- Frankie Beverly "We Are One" Support the show Connect with us on Facebook, Twitter & Instagram: @podthescore Email: podthescore@gmail.com | The Score Podcast Website Support The Score on Patreon or Paypal Music Credits: Intro: Justin McLean In Rotation & Outro: Ben Bohorquez - @jamin_music

Send us a text In this week's episode, Eric and Justin dive into a beautiful conversation with a world-class educator who invested in the lives of both Eric and Justin. This episode features the well-decorated Dr. A. Jan Taylor. Dr. Taylor has taught at every level and achieved great success. And was the former Choral Director and music professor at Prairie View A&M University. Since her retirement in 2020, she has still been in heavy demand as a clinician, mentor, and sage of wisdom for upcoming educators in the choral arena. Listen in, as we discussed with Dr Taylor, to the need for real authentic mentorship with those who have come before us to better launch new educators forward towards musical excellence for their programs. Please check out this week's episode to be encouraged and inspired. Enjoy and share!!! In Rotation: Eric- My Divo Podcast Justin- Kenyan Dixon "Can I have this Groove" Dr. Taylor- Elevate Vocal Arts Support the show Connect with us on Facebook, Twitter & Instagram: @podthescore Email: podthescore@gmail.com | The Score Podcast Website Support The Score on Patreon or Paypal Music Credits: Intro: Justin McLean In Rotation & Outro: Ben Bohorquez - @jamin_music

Send us a text In this week's episode, Eric and Justin dive into a beautiful conversation meeting the needs of every student. Specifically, our deaf students make up our various musical ensembles. To help us fully grasp this nuance, we had the pleasure of engaging with Mr. Adam Chitta. Mr. Chitta is the founder and owner of The Chitta Sound and an accomplished band director at North East ISD in San Antonio. In this dialogue, Adam raises awareness and gives proper tools as a deaf band director to reach out and provide a great experience for those and others alike. This is yet another enriching conversation for educators as a whole to continue being bridge builders for all students, no matter the learning nuance. Please check out this week's episode to be encouraged and inspired. Enjoy and share!!! In Rotation: Eric- De Parranda "El A-RA-B" Justin- Aarik Duncan- "Chasing Cars" Adam- Composer Tyler Mazone Connect with Adam: http://www.thechittasound.com Adam@thechittasound.com Support the show Connect with us on Facebook, Twitter & Instagram: @podthescore Email: podthescore@gmail.com | The Score Podcast Website Support The Score on Patreon or Paypal Music Credits: Intro: Justin McLean In Rotation & Outro: Ben Bohorquez - @jamin_music

Send us a text In this week's episode, Eric and Justin dive into the beauty of a name. Not just any name but specifically the students' names in our programs. There is something to be said about getting a child's name right. Listen in as both Eric and Justin discuss how we can make something so significant seem insignificant. There is confidence, care, and authenticity when we, as educators, aim to get our students' names correct. It's a great reminder that another school year is ramping up. It's a conversation that will help invigorate the director and create a community. Please check out this week's episode to be encouraged and inspired. Enjoy and share!!! In Rotation: Eric- Lake Street Dive "Dance With a Stranger" & One Song Podcast Justin- PJ Morton "Cape Town to Cairo" Support the show Connect with us on Facebook, Twitter & Instagram: @podthescore Email: podthescore@gmail.com | The Score Podcast Website Support The Score on Patreon or Paypal Music Credits: Intro: Justin McLean In Rotation & Outro: Ben Bohorquez - @jamin_music

Send us a text In this week's episode, Eric and Justin get the great opportunity to connect with Mr. Sean Rodriguez. Mr. Rodriguez is the choir director at Southwest Legacy High School in San Antonio. Sean has such an interesting story of his journey into music, which continues to shape his purpose as a director. Listen in as both Eric and Justin pull back the layers of how Sean has made sure not to ignore his mariachi love and ability to be absent from his role in developing his choral kids. Sean lays out his convictions on how the art of music is neither tainted nor lost, yet it brings the this to get to the that. It's a conversation that will help invigorate the director and grow the ensemble. Please check out this week's episode to be encouraged and inspired. Enjoy and share!!! In Rotation: Eric- "God is Good" Forest Frank, Caleb Gordon Justin- Brandon P "Trap Worship Vol. 1" Sean- "Steak Night at the Prairie Rose" Silverada Support the show Connect with us on Facebook, Twitter & Instagram: @podthescore Email: podthescore@gmail.com | The Score Podcast Website Support The Score on Patreon or Paypal Music Credits: Intro: Justin McLean In Rotation & Outro: Ben Bohorquez - @jamin_music

Send us a text In this week's episode, Eric and Justin discuss the aftermath of the results. What do you do once the scores have been given and the final festival or adjudication performance has finished? It is such a hectic time of rehearsals, sectionals, and clinics that once the final note has been played, all you really want to do is just get away. So listen in as both hosts talk about what comes next and how there is still growth, development, and knowledge to be gained. It’s a conversation that will help invigorate the director and grow the ensemble. Please check out this week's episode to be encouraged and inspired. Enjoy and share!!! In Rotation Eric: Entre Tu y Yo- Grupo Vadenagi Justin: De La Soul- Me, Myself and I Support the show Connect with us on Facebook, Twitter & Instagram: @podthescore Email: podthescore@gmail.com | The Score Podcast Website Support The Score on Patreon or Paypal Music Credits: Intro: Justin McLean In Rotation & Outro: Ben Bohorquez - @jamin_music

Send us a text In this week's episode, Eric and Justin discuss the overworked and ever-tired aspect of music education. Both Eric and Justin walk down memory lane and remember the pivotal moments of their careers that raised a flag towards self-care. Listen in as the discussion of peace and the ways we can meet that need by reimagining the old way of working towards a more redeeming and intentional model. In Rotation: Eric- Obed Padilla Justin- Jairus Mozee- 1968 Support the show Connect with us on Facebook, Twitter & Instagram: @podthescore Email: podthescore@gmail.com | The Score Podcast Website Support The Score on Patreon or Paypal Music Credits: Intro: Justin McLean In Rotation & Outro: Ben Bohorquez - @jamin_music

Send us a text In this week's episode, Eric and Justin catch up with Professor Ricardo Brown. Ricardo Brown is the Associate Director of Athletic and Wind Bands at the University of Connecticut. He also serves as the Co-Caption Head of the Sacramento Mandarins Drum Corp. This has been a well overdue interview and it doesn’t disappoint. Listen in as Prof Brown delves into seizing opportunity in life and how that mantra created the fuel that has gotten him to every destination. This conversation leans into how seizing the opportunity is a pivotal and foundational aspect of teaching and mentoring. Please check out this week's episode to be encouraged and inspired. Enjoy and share!!! In Rotation: Eric- Carin Leon & Kane Brown "The One"; Carin Leon & Omar Montes "Ron Con Coca" Justin- PJ Morton "Please Be Good To Me" Ricardo- Kenyon Dixon "The R&B You Love: Soul Of the '70s" Jacob Collier "Djesse Vol. 4" Cat Pack Terrace Martin & Alex Isley's "I Left My Heart In Ladera" Cisco Swank Support the show Connect with us on Facebook, Twitter & Instagram: @podthescore Email: podthescore@gmail.com | The Score Podcast Website Support The Score on Patreon or Paypal Music Credits: Intro: Justin McLean In Rotation & Outro: Ben Bohorquez - @jamin_music

Send us a text In this week's episode, Eric and Justin jump back in the saddle with a much-needed conversation about the art of communication. Specifically how it can hinder student progress when not valued. Both Eric and Justin have experiences where their ability to articulate well was met with surprise instead of normalcy. Listen in as both hosts tackle the issue of communication in the classroom. They take a deep dive into how a teacher can either create an environment for confidence and expansion or one that is silent and void. Please check out this week's episode to be encouraged and inspired. Enjoy and share!!! In Rotation: Eric- Jennifer Pena Justin- Cory Henry "Church" Support the show Connect with us on Facebook, Twitter & Instagram: @podthescore Email: podthescore@gmail.com | The Score Podcast Website Support The Score on Patreon or Paypal Music Credits: Intro: Justin McLean In Rotation & Outro: Ben Bohorquez - @jamin_music

Send us a text In this week's episode, Eric and Justin get the great opportunity to catch up with none other than Dr. Kelvin Jones. Dr. Jones is a world-class musician/educator and a product of The Jackson State University. He is the former director of the famous LSU Tiger band. Dr. Jones has since switched lanes and now resides in the world of real estate development and music consulting. Listen in as Dr. Jones discusses this new chapter of his career. This new hustle is nothing but the very foundation that helped build his decorated music resume. This episode is a call and push to see the world outside of the band hall and that the instrument of work may change, but the hustle is still all the same. Please check out this week's episode to be encouraged and inspired. Enjoy and share!!! In Rotation: Eric- DJ Diego Alonso - Mix Fiesta Mexicana Justin- Robert Glasper "In December" Kelvin- Bobby Blue Bland | Bigger Pockets Podcast | Real Estate Rookie Podcast | Club Shay Shay Podcast Support the show Connect with us on Facebook, Twitter & Instagram: @podthescore Email: podthescore@gmail.com | The Score Podcast Website Support The Score on Patreon or Paypal Music Credits: Intro: Justin McLean In Rotation & Outro: Ben Bohorquez - @jamin_music

Send us a text In this week's episode, Eric and Justin discuss one of the most important relationships in the life of a band program. This relationship is none other than the head director and assistant director. This week's conversation pulls back the layers and exposes the elephant in the room: lack of unity and collaboration. Eric and Justin dive into the roles and what can hinder, and what can help. This dialogue will hopefully start the much-needed conversation and help bridge gaps in the connectivity. Please check out this week's episode to be encouraged and inspired. Enjoy and share!!! In Rotation: Eric- "90s -Remix" Braxton Cook feat Masego Justin- October London- "The Rebirth of Marvin" Support the show Connect with us on Facebook, Twitter & Instagram: @podthescore Email: podthescore@gmail.com | The Score Podcast Website Support The Score on Patreon or Paypal Music Credits: Intro: Justin McLean In Rotation & Outro: Ben Bohorquez - @jamin_music

Send us a text In this week's episode, Eric and Justin bring in their brother from another mother, Dr. Andrew Hunter, Director of Bands at the University of Texas El Paso. Dr. Hunter brings his convictions in this conversation about the concept of innovation in a world that can sometimes be caught up in tradition. This dialogue is filled with healthy, thought-provoking concepts to help the students we teach push to a greater destination as music makers. Listen and take notes on how this passionate and helpful episode can help you wherever you are in your journey. Please check out this week's episode to be encouraged and inspired. Enjoy and share!!! In Rotation: Eric- Marc Anthony & Pepe Aguilar "Ojala Te Duela" Justin- Jackson 5 Andrew- Luke Comb's "Growing Up/Gettin' Old" & Dolly Parton's "Rockstar" Support the show Connect with us on Facebook, Twitter & Instagram: @podthescore Email: podthescore@gmail.com | The Score Podcast Website Support The Score on Patreon or Paypal Music Credits: Intro: Justin McLean In Rotation & Outro: Ben Bohorquez - @jamin_music