Conversations With a Wounded Healer

It’s not every day that I get to chat with a pioneer in the trauma field, so gimme a moment to geek out over Janina Fisher, Ph.D. the esteemed psychotherapist, consultant, trainer, and author. She’s an international expert on the treatment of trauma, best known for her work on integrating mindfulness-based and somatic interventions into trauma treatment and an absolute legend. Janina dispenses some wisdom during our conversation regarding the ever-evolving study of trauma,TikTok diagnoses, and therapists doing their own work (!). She also spills tea all over capitalism’s outsized devotion to evidence-based therapies. I’m here for all of it! GUEST BIO Janina Fisher, Ph.D., is a licensed clinical psychologist and international expert on the treatment of trauma. She's the author of Healing the Fragmented Selves of Trauma Survivors, overcoming Self Alienation, transforming the Living Legacy of Trauma, a workbook for survivors and therapists, and the Living Legacy instructional flip chart. She's best known for her work on integrating mindfulness based and somatic inter interventions into trauma treatment. SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let’s be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah’s Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne’s Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness

Happy clinicians are vital to a thriving practice, especially since not every therapist is interested in being a sole proprietor. So, how do owners navigate the tricky mechanics of operating a business while providing meaningful group guidance without losing their sh*t? Good question. Enter Cassandra Greenwald, LCSW, CADC, of Rowan Tree Counseling, with heartfelt answers for employees and owners. We poke at some tender spots: an owner’s right to privacy vs an employee’s desire for transparency, individual ambitions vs collective objectives, and the financial realities of operating within a capitalist economy. GUEST BIO Cassandra Greenwald, LCSW, CADC (she/they) is a therapist, writer maker, relationship builder, and connector first raised on the East Coast, then watered and grown in the picturesque.Pacific Northwest, and currently settled in the great city of Chicago. Cassandra works hard every day to be the queer feminist, anti-capitalist, social justice warrior of conservative nightmares. Celebrate our Anne-iversary and Win! We are celebrating Anne Remy’s one-year anniversary as co-host of the show. Join us by leaving a review for Conversations With a Wounded Healer on Apple Podcasts. Tell us how and why you appreciate Anne’s contributions to the show and you will be entered to win a drawing for a 1-on-1 session with Sarah or Anne. Sarah is offering the choice between business coaching or Reiki. Anne is offering the choice between yoga or travel consulting. Here’s How: 1. Go to https://ratethispodcast.com/woundedhealer 2. Click the link for Apple Podcasts and follow the instructions. 3. Take a screenshot of your review. 4. Email the screenshot to sarah@headhearbiztherapy.com between March 6 - April 24, 2024. 5. We will do a drawing and email the winners the week of April 24, as well as announce on social media May 1, 2024. Groups for Wounded Healers We’re currently running one cohort of the Burnt Out Practice Owner support group and Authentic Leaders group. Please join the waitlists to be updated about future groups: Burnt Out Practice Owner Support Group Waitlist and Authentic Leaders Group - Fall 2024 Waitlist SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let’s be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah’s Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne’s Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness

Red pill-ers! Trad gender roles! Manly men, rawr! With an introduction like that, you’d be forgiven for thinking that Anne and I had joined the manosphere. No worries there. Instead, Anne has found a male ally who is making modest but meaningful inroads with cishet dudes, specifically the ones prone to tumbling down rabbit holes of toxic masculinity and misogyny. And his tool of choice is peer-reviewed, evidence-based research. Meet Neil Shyminsky. By day, he’s an English professor at a community college in Canada. But by night. Professor Neil, as he’s known on most socials, is a content creator focusing on social theory and masculinity. GUEST BIO Neil Shyminsky (he/him) is an English professor at a community college by day, currently teaching courses on Contemporary Literature and Human Sexuality. By night, he’s a content creator who talks mostly about social theory and masculinity, specializing in refuting the misogynist arguments coming out of the Manosphere. Celebrate our Anne-iversary and Win! We are celebrating Anne Remy’s one-year anniversary as co-host of the show. Join us by leaving a review for Conversations With a Wounded Healer on Apple Podcasts. Tell us how and why you appreciate Anne’s contributions to the show and you will be entered to win a drawing for a 1-on-1 session with Sarah or Anne. Sarah is offering the choice between business coaching or Reiki. Anne is offering the choice between yoga or travel consulting. Here’s How: 1. Go to https://ratethispodcast.com/woundedhealer 2. Click the link for Apple Podcasts and follow the instructions. 3. Take a screenshot of your review. 4. Email the screenshot to sarah@headhearbiztherapy.com between March 6 - April 24, 2024. 5. We will do a drawing and email the winners the week of April 24, as well as announce on social media May 1, 2024. Groups for Wounded Healers We’re currently running one cohort of the Burnt Out Practice Owner support group and Authentic Leaders group. Please join the waitlists to be updated about future groups: Burnt Out Practice Owner Support Group Waitlist and Authentic Leaders Group - Fall 2024 Waitlist SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let’s be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah’s Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne’s Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness

I totally started this podcast on a whim––but not without a keen understanding of the pain points that group practice owners routinely encounter complain about. I’ve since realized that vital voices are missing from the conversation: group practice employees. I extended an invitation via the BOPO Chicago Facebook group. Lucky for us, Andie Baumgartner, MA, LCPC, and Nadia Parfenova, MA, LCPC, owner and senior therapist, respectively, of Rowan Tree Counseling, answered that call. This convo is juicy, y’all! We explore themes of responsibility, transparency, and intentionality from both sides of the group practice relationship. Our detour into the thorny subject of hierarchies and the urgency that often accompanies their abolishment is one that I didn’t anticipate yet totally appreciate. GUEST BIO Andie Baumgartner, MA, LCPC (she/her) is a Licensed Clinical Professional Counselor and has been working in the mental health field since 2008. She completed graduate training and received a Masters Degree from The Chicago School of Professional Psychology. Andie began her career working in residential and community mental health settings, gaining experience working with individuals seeking relief from anxiety, depression, and bipolar disorder. She’s also worked extensively with clients recovering from traumatic experiences. She specializes in working with individuals seeking a greater sense of balance, who want to live a more values-aligned life, and those struggling with non-monogamous and other alternative relationships. Andie is anti-racist, Queer-allied, sex-positive, polyamory-affirming, and kink-knowledgable. Nadia Parfenova, MA, LCPC (she/her) is a Licensed Professional Counselor and completed graduate training in Clinical Psychology at Roosevelt University in 2019. She has experience working with teens and adults experiencing severe anxiety, obsessive-compulsive disorder, and eating disorders in partial hospitalization, intensive outpatient, and outpatient settings. Nadia has also worked with individuals with autism spectrum disorder and those healing from traumatic experiences. Her approach to therapy is integrative as she pulls from both more directive approaches (CBT, DBT) and client-centered guidance and support to treat anxiety, depression, behavioral issues, trauma, relationship concerns, and self-esteem issues. Nadia is also well-versed in ERP and has found it particularly successful in supporting individuals struggling with OCD. She is a native Russian speaker and can provide therapy in Russian and English. Celebrate our Anne-iversary and Win! We are celebrating Anne Remy’s one-year anniversary as co-host of the show. Join us by leaving a review for Conversations With a Wounded Healer on Apple Podcasts. Tell us how and why you appreciate Anne’s contributions to the show and you will be entered to win a drawing for a 1-on-1 session with Sarah or Anne. Sarah is offering the choice between business coaching or Reiki. Anne is offering the choice between yoga or travel consulting. Here’s How: 1. Go to https://ratethispodcast.com/woundedhealer 2. Click the link for Apple Podcasts and follow the instructions. 3. Take a screenshot of your review. 4. Email the screenshot to sarah@headhearbiztherapy.com between March 6 - April 24, 2024. 5. We will do a drawing and email the winners the week of April 24, as well as announce on social media May 1, 2024. Groups for Wounded Healers We’re currently running one cohort of the Burnt Out Practice Owner support group and Authentic Leaders group. Please join the waitlists to be updated about future groups: Burnt Out Practice Owner Support Group Waitlist and Authentic Leaders Group - Fall 2024 Waitlist SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let’s be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah’s...

For the sake of mutual safety, this episode is preceded by a content advisory regarding sexual trauma and minor-attracted persons. Please take care of yourself as you need, even if that means skipping this conversation. Your body belongs to YOU. I open with this power-stance of a statement because I didn’t get that message as a child, adolescent, or young adult. In fact, I’ve only just begun to really grow into that knowledge as I heal from sexual trauma. Here’s another a-ha! from this episode: healing takes time. I’m grateful to folks like Dr. Lori Beth Bisbey for repeatedly reminding me of these essentials. She has been a champion of sizzling sex without shame for 35+ years, and her work destigmatizes fetishes, BDSM, and non-monogamy. Lori Beth’s healing journey also provides encouragement for survivors of sexual trauma alongside a healthy dose of reality. GUEST BIO Dr. Lori Beth Bisbey (she/her) is a psychologist, accredited advanced GSRD (gender, sex, relationship diversity) therapist, sex & intimacy coach, author, speaker and tv personality currently starring in Open House: The Great Sex Experiment, CH4 in the UK. She has been working with people for the past 35 years helping them to create and sustain their ideal relationships containing sizzling sex without shame. She has a weekly podcast, The A to Z Of Sex® since 2016 and is currently touring the UK speaking about kink, fetish, BDsM, and non-monogamy. Celebrate our Anne-iversary and Win! We are celebrating Anne Remy’s one-year anniversary as co-host of the show. Join us by leaving a review for Conversations With a Wounded Healer on Apple Podcasts. Tell us how and why you appreciate Anne’s contributions to the show and you will be entered to win a drawing for a 1-on-1 session with Sarah or Anne. Sarah is offering the choice between business coaching or Reiki. Anne is offering the choice between yoga or travel consulting. Here’s How: 1.) Go to https://ratethispodcast.com/woundedhealer 2.) Click the link for Apple Podcasts and follow the instructions. 3.) Take a screenshot of your review. 4.) Email the screenshot to sarah@headhearbiztherapy.com between March 6 - April 24, 2024. 5.) We will do a drawing and email the winners the week of April 24, as well as announce on social media May 1, 2024. Groups for Wounded Healers We’re currently running one cohort of the Burnt Out Practice Owner support group and Authentic Leaders group. Please join the waitlists to be updated about future groups: Burnt Out Practice Owner Support Group Waitlist and Authentic Leaders Group - Fall 2024 Waitlist SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let’s be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah’s Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne’s Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness

Who would have thought that practice ownership involved so much feces?! Now that I have your attention, lemme explain. Actually, I’ll let my guest, Bianka Hardin, PsyD, explain since it’s her story. Bianka owns Centered Therapy Chicago (CTC), a 10-year-old group practice with 20 clinicians on staff. Her hilarious (and gross) tale perfectly illustrates the literal and metaphorical sh*t that practicer owners must deal with. Here’s the thing, though: while practice owners do have to take care of a lot, they don’t have to do it all. Bianka urges practice owners to consider the true value of their talents and weigh that against the cost of having to take on other tasks. GUEST BIO Bianka Hardin, PsyD., (she/her) is a Licensed Clinical Psychologist and owner of Centered Therapy Chicago, PLLC. She started CTC in 2014 with the mission to help children, adolescents, and adults improve their mental health and quality of life. She has been a trauma therapist for almost 25 years and is actively involved in her continuous learning and growth in this area from a personal and professional lens. She is very interested in cultural, systemic, and intergenerational factors that impact our health and well-being. Celebrate our Anne-iversary and Win! We are celebrating Anne Remy’s one-year anniversary as co-host of the show. Join us by leaving a review for Conversations With a Wounded Healer on Apple Podcasts. Tell us how and why you appreciate Anne’s contributions to the show and you will be entered to win a drawing for a 1-on-1 session with Sarah or Anne. Sarah is offering the choice between business coaching or Reiki. Anne is offering the choice between yoga or travel consulting. Here’s How: 1.) Go to https://ratethispodcast.com/woundedhealer 2.) Click the link for Apple Podcasts and follow the instructions. 3.) Take a screenshot of your review. 4.) Email the screenshot to sarah@headhearbiztherapy.com between March 6 - April 24, 2024. 5.) We will do a drawing and email the winners the week of April 24, as well as announce on social media May 1, 2024. Groups for Wounded Healers We’re currently running one cohort of the Burnt Out Practice Owner support group and Authentic Leaders group. Please join the waitlists to be updated about future groups: Burnt Out Practice Owner Support Group Waitlist and Authentic Leaders Group - Fall 2024 Waitlist SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let’s be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah’s Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne’s Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness

If you’re a white therapist, you could quickly tumble down a rabbit hole trying to reconcile all the work that’s ours to do regarding power dynamics within our field. There’s a detour that we, as white folks, are rarely required to explore: our relationship to whiteness. I’ll save you some time by recommending Anne’s conversation with Eugene Ellis, the UK-based psychotherapist, speaker, director of the Black, African, and Asian Therapy Network (BAATN), and author of the transformative book The Race Conversation (soon to be republished in the US). “Eugene’s “therapist origin story” is a perfect example of white therapists' potential to be active agents of support,” explains Anne. This is only possible when we acknowledge our potential to be active agents of hurt. GUEST BIO Eugene Ellis, psychotherapist, writer, and public speaker, has dedicated 20 years as the director and founder of the Black, African, and Asian Therapy Network, specializing in therapeutic work with Black, African, Caribbean, and South Asian individuals. Author of 'The Race Conversation' (2021), he delves into the intersection of race and trauma, non-verbal communication, and navigating oppressive patterns. Co-editor of 'Therapy In Colour' (2023), Eugene contributes to articulating new theoretical perspectives for therapists, both white and of colour, supporting therapy through an intersectional lens. Celebrate our Anne-iversary and Win! We are celebrating Anne Remy’s one-year anniversary as co-host of the show. Join us by leaving a review for Conversations With a Wounded Healer on Apple Podcasts. Tell us how and why you appreciate Anne’s contributions to the show and you will be entered to win a drawing for a 1-on-1 session with Sarah or Anne. Sarah is offering the choice between business coaching or Reiki. Anne is offering the choice between yoga or travel consulting. Here’s How: 1.) Go to https://ratethispodcast.com/woundedhealer 2.) Click the link for Apple Podcasts and follow the instructions. 3.) Take a screenshot of your review. 4.) Email the screenshot to sarah@headhearbiztherapy.com between March 6 - April 24, 2024. 5.) We will do a drawing and email the winners the week of April 24, as well as announce on social media May 1, 2024. Groups for Wounded Healers We’re currently running one cohort of the Burnt Out Practice Owner support group and Authentic Leaders group. Please join the waitlists to be updated about future groups: Burnt Out Practice Owner Support Group Waitlist and Authentic Leaders Group - Fall 2024 Waitlist SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let’s be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah’s Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne’s Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness

Who's ready for a very special call-in episode about practice ownership? Cast your mind back to the heyday of Loveline. I apologize if you're not of that vintage, as that's my only call-in show reference. Are you, Dear Practice Owner, ready to stop chasing unrealistic goals, embody an anti-racist liberation mindset? Are you all set to own your weaknesses and strengths? OK, let's get into this virtual mailbag! I've queued up two juicy questions plus one affirmation that every practice owner should have copied to a desktop sticky or irl fridge notepad. A word about my topic choices first. I chose these specifically because they're often repeated in the practice ownership conversations I've been privy to lately. And, full disclosure: I’ve agonized over the very same issues. If you have a burning question or a topic that you'd like to hear discussed on this series, email me at sarah@headheartbiztherapy.com or send me a DM on Instagram @headheartbiztherapy. Celebrate our Anne-iversary and Win! We are celebrating Anne Remy’s one-year anniversary as co-host of the show. Join us by leaving a review for Conversations With a Wounded Healer on Apple Podcasts. Tell us how and why you appreciate Anne’s contributions to the show and you will be entered to win a drawing for a 1-on-1 session with Sarah or Anne. Sarah is offering the choice between business coaching or Reiki. Anne is offering the choice between yoga or travel consulting. Here’s How: 1.) Go to https://ratethispodcast.com/woundedhealer 2.) Click the link for Apple Podcasts and follow the instructions. 3.) Take a screenshot of your review. 4.) Email the screenshot to sarah@headhearbiztherapy.com between March 6 - April 24, 2024. 5.) We will do a drawing and email the winners the week of April 24, as well as announce on social media May 1, 2024. Groups for Wounded Healers We’re currently running one cohort of the Burnt Out Practice Owner support group and Authentic Leaders group. Please join the waitlists to be updated about future groups: Burnt Out Practice Owner Support Group Waitlist and Authentic Leaders Group - Fall 2024 Waitlist SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let’s be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah’s Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne’s Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness

Whiteness is the problem. Many white folks know it; many more don’t. Or won’t. None of us are at the same point in the journey, yet all of us play a role in dismantling this inherited concept of racial identity. So, how can we nurture discovery, recovery, and anti-racist action without replicating the same judgments, shame, or gaslighting that whiteness thrives on? Shelly Tochluk doesn’t have all the answers. Instead, she offers practical advice, road-tested in her own life, to help white folks move beyond the performative and into a genuinely anti-racist life. GUEST BIO Shelly Tochluk is a professor of education at Mount Saint Mary’s University–Los Angeles. She is the author of Witnessing Whiteness: The Journey Toward Racial Awareness and Antiracist Action (3rd Edition), Living in the Tension: The Quest for a Spiritualized Racial Justice, and co-author of Being White Today: A Roadmap for a Positive Antiracist Life. Shelly volunteers with AWARE-LA (Alliance of White Anti-Racists Everywhere-Los Angeles), and for 15 years, she co-produced their 4-day institute, Unmasking Whiteness, which leads white people into a deeper understanding of their personal relationship to race, whiteness, and systemic racism. Celebrate our Anne-iversary and Win! We are celebrating Anne Remy’s one-year anniversary as co-host of the show. Join us by leaving a review for Conversations With a Wounded Healer on Apple Podcasts. Tell us how and why you appreciate Anne’s contributions to the show, and you will be entered to win a drawing for a 1-on-1 session with Sarah or Anne. Sarah is offering the choice between business coaching or Reiki. Anne is offering the choice between yoga or travel consulting. Here’s How: 1. Go to https://ratethispodcast.com/woundedhealer 2. Click the link for Apple Podcasts and follow the instructions. 3. Take a screenshot of your review. 4. Email the screenshot to sarah@headhearbiztherapy.com between March 6 - April 24, 2024. 5. We will do a drawing and email the winners the week of April 24, as well as announce on social media May 1, 2024. Groups for Wounded Healers We’re currently running one cohort of the Burnt Out Practice Owner support group and Authentic Leaders group. Please join the waitlists to be updated about future groups: Burnt Out Practice Owner Support Group Waitlist and Authentic Leaders Group - Fall 2024 Waitlist SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let’s be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah’s Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne’s Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness

Being a practice owner isn't *all* bad. The folks who do it well just know how to set industrial-strength boundaries. Not me, but some folks…like Alicia Taverner, LMFT, owner of Rancho Counseling in California. Private practice ownership is Alicia's jam. How is that possible, you ask? There's keeping the practice small and cash-only. While this may astonish some, Alicia shrugs off their incredulity. She also fully recognizes the value of her personal and professional time and has set super clear priorities: work-life balance and ample opportunity to train the therapists in her care. If you have a burning question or a topic that you'd like to hear discussed on this series, email me at sarah@headheartbiztherapy.com or send me a DM on Instagram @headheartbiztherapy. GUEST BIO Alicia Taverner is a licensed Marriage & Family Therapist, #50414, with a Bachelor's Degree in Speech Communications from the University of La Verne, and a Master's Degree in Clinical Psychology from Pepperdine University. Alicia specializes in helping couples find the calm within the storm of some of the most difficult relationship struggles, such as infidelity, divorce, and postpartum anxiety and depression. She is also a trained Discernment Counselor and helps couples explore options for continuing their relationship despite some very heavy challenges. Groups for Wounded Healers We’re currently running one cohort of the Burnt Out Practice Owner support group and Authentic Leaders group. Please join the waitlists to be updated about future groups: Burnt Out Practice Owner Support Group Waitlist and Authentic Leaders Group - Fall 2024 Waitlist SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let’s be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah’s Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne’s Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness

Having a uterus and ovaries isn’t for the faint of heart. Just when we’ve figured out how to successfully navigate (or at least tolerate) periods and possibly pregnancy, the body decides to school us once more. Giulietta Durante, the nutritionist and women’s health expert behind Hormones In Harmony and one-half of the Femme Powered Podcast team, wants folks to get curious about how their menstrual cycle can help them access the most complete version of themself via hormone-healing nutrition. Anne’s conversation with Giulietta truly is for all gender expressions. GUEST BIO Giulietta Durante is a Nutritionist & Women’s Health Expert based in London. She is a member of the British Association for Applied Nutrition and Nutritional Therapy (BANT) and is registered with the Complementary and Natural Healthcare Council (CNHC). She works with clients all over the world via Zoom, Skype and WhatsApp video. Groups for Wounded Healers We’re currently running one cohort of the Burnt Out Practice Owner support group and Authentic Leaders group. Please join the waitlists to be updated about future groups: Burnt Out Practice Owner Support Group Waitlist and Authentic Leaders Group - Fall 2024 Waitlist SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let’s be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah’s Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne’s Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness

There’s a thin line between burden and bliss when you own a group practice. Rebel Therapist™ creator Annie Schuessler didn’t realize she’d crossed it until she weighed her past motivations against her ownership experience. Annie joins me to discuss assuming the risks of practice ownership, the importance of having a supportive bestie, and predictions for the future of the group practice model. GUEST BIO Annie Schuessler is a business coach and the host of the Rebel Therapist® Podcast. With her Rebel Therapist® Programs, she helps therapists, healers and coaches make an impact beyond a traditional private practice. You can find her resources at rebeltherapist.me Groups for Wounded Healers We’re currently running one cohort of the Burnt Out Practice Owner support group and Authentic Leaders group. Please join the waitlists to be updated about future groups: Burnt Out Practice Owner Support Group Waitlist and Authentic Leaders Group - Fall 2024 Waitlist SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts Let’s be friends! You can find me in the following places… Sarah’s Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne’s Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness

Capitalism sucks. But living beyond this suffocating system is difficult if you struggle to comprehend how you’ll make a living in a liberated society. This episode is an invitation to jump despite that confusion. Bear Hébert helps folks get a little bit more free via their work as an artist, anti-capitalist business consultant, and social justice educator. They help tiny business owners build thriving livelihoods while sidestepping the traps of capitalism. Our conversation delves into the guilt, shame, and inaction that often accompany upward shifts in economic status (a capitalist trap, btw). GUEST BIO Bear Hébert (they/them) is an artist, anti-capitalist business consultant, and social justice educator. Self-employed since 2014, Bear helps tiny business owners build thriving livelihoods while sidestepping the traps of capitalism. Their side gig is teaching men+ how to unlearn patriarchy. They believe that relational work is real work, and emotional work is movement work; they're trying to help us all get a little more free. Groups for Wounded Healers We’re currently running one cohort of the Burnt Out Practice Owner support group and Authentic Leaders group. Please join the waitlists to be updated about future groups: Burnt Out Practice Owner Support Group Waitlist and Authentic Leaders Group - Fall 2024 Waitlist SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let’s be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah’s Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne’s Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness

Hey, practice owner, how would you define your role in that business you worked so hard to create? Are you a visionary focused on pursuits related to company culture or community initiatives? Or are you a dedicated integrator, dutifully keeping up with basics like billing, payroll, and website upgrades? Maureen Werrbach, LCPC, is a visionary for sure. She owns Urban Wellness, a multi-location group practice in the Chicago area. She’s also the innovative mind behind The Group Practice Exchange, where she counsels owners on successfully starting and scaling their businesses. In our conversation, we’re throwing pipin’ hot honest-tea on the realities of practice ownership. GUEST BIO Maureen Werrbach, LCPC, is a visionary entrepreneur in the mental health field as the owner of Urban Wellness, a multi-location group practice in the Chicago area. She knows firsthand the focus healthcare providers put on making a positive impact in the world. She also knows that many healthcare professionals put business second to boots on the ground, helping in the community. Maureen shares her expertise in group practice leadership by coaching, educating, and training group practice owners as the owner of The Group Practice Exchange. She helps group practice owners learn how to successfully start and scale their businesses so they can have a larger impact on their communities. Burnt Out Practice Owner Support Group Hey Practice Owners! Do you feel exhausted, over-extended, and under-appreciated? Does the thought of returning to solo practice cross your mind from time to time (or more often)? If so, you’re not alone. Running a group practice is a challenging and often thankless job. And it can be hard for others to relate if they aren’t business owners too. Join our support group starting January 2024: https://www.headheartbiztherapy.com/burntout Authentic Leaders Group Are you a therapist stepping into leadership for the first time? Or maybe you've been in a leadership position for a while, but are bumping up against new struggles? Our Authentic Leadership Group is here to help you become the authentic and wholehearted leader you aspire to be. And we believe this journey is best undertaken with the guidance of experienced mentors alongside fellow learners. February - September 2024 Monthly morning sessions on Fridays Join Sarah in this journey of self-discovery and leadership mastery, where you'll enhance your leadership skills and forge meaningful connections with fellow therapists who are committed to their own growth and the betterment of the therapy field. Join the group now at https://www.headheartbiztherapy.com/authentic-leaders-group Let’s be friends! You can find me in the following places… Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne’s Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness NEW: Our Bookshop.org page! bookshop.org/shop/HeadHeartBizTherapy NEW: Check out our cute new merch items! tinyurl.com/CWHmerch

Even if you aren’t a fan of Hollywood films from the 1980s through the early 2000s, chances are you can name the ethnicity of the “baddie” in 99.9% of them. Sure, my math might be a bit fuzzy––H’wood has a legacy of demonizing all brown-skinned folks––but an overwhelming number of screen villains during this period were either vaguely or expressly rendered as Muslim. Decades of prejudicial portrayals are no match for Arij Mikati, the managing director of Culture Change at Pillars Fund. She designs and leads programming that challenges damaging narratives about Muslims in the U.S. and amplifies Muslim voices in artistic spaces. What struck me most about this episode is the joy that Arij and Anne infused into a conversation that could’ve (rightly) focused only on pain and anger. Arij chooses to focus on hope, but her shift in mindset took time to nurture. GUEST BIO Arij Mikati is the Managing Director of Culture Change at Pillars Fund, where she designs and leads programming that challenges damaging narratives about Muslims in the U.S. and amplifies Muslim voices in artistic spaces. Her storytelling work seeks to change the lens through which Muslim stories are told to one that is authentic, complex, and honest. Burnt Out Practice Owner Support Group Hey Practice Owners! Do you feel exhausted, over-extended, and under-appreciated? Does the thought of returning to solo practice cross your mind from time to time (or more often)? If so, you’re not alone. Running a group practice is a challenging and often thankless job. And it can be hard for others to relate if they aren’t business owners too. Join our support group starting January 2024: https://www.headheartbiztherapy.com/burntout Authentic Leaders Group Are you a therapist stepping into leadership for the first time? Or maybe you've been in a leadership position for a while, but are bumping up against new struggles? Our Authentic Leadership Group is here to help you become the authentic and wholehearted leader you aspire to be. And we believe this journey is best undertaken with the guidance of experienced mentors alongside fellow learners. February - September 2024 Monthly morning sessions on Fridays Join Sarah in this journey of self-discovery and leadership mastery, where you'll enhance your leadership skills and forge meaningful connections with fellow therapists who are committed to their own growth and the betterment of the therapy field. Join the group now at https://www.headheartbiztherapy.com/authentic-leaders-group Let’s be friends! You can find me in the following places… Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne’s Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness NEW: Our Bookshop.org page! bookshop.org/shop/HeadHeartBizTherapy NEW: Check out our cute new merch items! tinyurl.com/CWHmerch

The decision to sell a practice is fraught with more questions than answers (a lot like owning a practice!). Selling is a lonely headspace to navigate because folks who’ve gone through the process often keep those helpful emotional and transactional details to themselves. Why?! Gabrielle Juliano-Villani and I are breaking that curse! Gabrielle is an LCSW, consultant, coach, entrepreneur, and educator who’s been in the mental health field for over a decade, specializing in stress, chronic health conditions, and trauma. After scaling her group practice to seven figures (!!) and then burning out, she sold it to focus on helping overwhelmed healers, entrepreneurs, and therapists reach their full potential––whether that means scaling or selling. GUEST BIO Gabrielle Juliano-Villani, LCSW, is a consultant, coach, entrepreneur, and educator based in Sarasota, Florida. She's been in the mental health field for over a decade, specializing in stress, chronic health conditions, and trauma. After scaling her group practice to seven figures and realizing her own burnout in 2021, she sold her practice and made it her mission to educate others on the impact that stress has on our everyday lives. Burnt Out Practice Owner Support Group Hey Practice Owners! Do you feel exhausted, over-extended, and under-appreciated? Does the thought of returning to solo practice cross your mind from time to time (or more often)? If so, you’re not alone. Running a group practice is a challenging and often thankless job. And it can be hard for others to relate if they aren’t business owners too. Join our support group starting January 2024: https://www.headheartbiztherapy.com/burntout Authentic Leaders Group Are you a therapist stepping into leadership for the first time? Or maybe you've been in a leadership position for a while, but are bumping up against new struggles? Our Authentic Leadership Group is here to help you become the authentic and wholehearted leader you aspire to be. And we believe this journey is best undertaken with the guidance of experienced mentors alongside fellow learners. February - September 2024 Monthly morning sessions on Fridays Join Sarah in this journey of self-discovery and leadership mastery, where you'll enhance your leadership skills and forge meaningful connections with fellow therapists who are committed to their own growth and the betterment of the therapy field. Join the group now at https://www.headheartbiztherapy.com/authentic-leaders-group Let’s be friends! You can find me in the following places… Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne’s Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness NEW: Our Bookshop.org page! bookshop.org/shop/HeadHeartBizTherapy NEW: Check out our cute new merch items! tinyurl.com/CWHmerch

Heyyy, burnt-out practice owner! Yeah, you, the one who’s overburdened, under-resourced, and lonely. The practice owner who thinks that no one understands their particular pain. I feel you. I know you. I WAS you. Welcome to the inaugural episode of The Burnt Out Practice Owner (BOPO). I’m Sarah Buino, a heart-centered, liberation-minded consultant helping individuals, groups, and organizations in the therapy field evolve with courage, authenticity, and vulnerability. I’m also the creator and co-host of Conversations With A Wounded Healer. Most importantly, I’m a former, frazzled practice owner who’s gone through all the highs and lows associated with creating, nurturing, and selling a business. Now I’m here to help you navigate your practice journey via quick (30 minutes or less) episodes, between our usual Wounded Healer episodes. Buckle up! I’m transparent as hell about my experiences––be they successes or slip-ups––and not shy about sharing. Hell, in this episode alone, I talk about burnout-induced suicidal thoughts, co-dependency, the practice valuation process, and my final sale price! There are a million questions associated with practice ownership, so tell me, what do you wish you’d known last year or even last week? Are you contemplating opening a new practice or expanding the team? Are you struggling to maintain a self-care routine? Or are you considering an exit strategy? Let’s explore the answers together, one episode at a time. If you have a burning question or a topic that you'd like to hear discussed on this series, email me at sarah@headheartbiztherapy.com or send me a DM on Instagram @headheartbiztherapy. Burnt Out Practice Owner Support Group Hey Practice Owners! Do you feel exhausted, over-extended, and under-appreciated? Does the thought of returning to solo practice cross your mind from time to time (or more often)? If so, you’re not alone. Running a group practice is a challenging and often thankless job. And it can be hard for others to relate if they aren’t business owners too. Join our support group starting January 2024: https://www.headheartbiztherapy.com/burntout Authentic Leaders Group Are you a therapist stepping into leadership for the first time? Or maybe you've been in a leadership position for a while, but are bumping up against new struggles? Our Authentic Leadership Group is here to help you become the authentic and wholehearted leader you aspire to be. And we believe this journey is best undertaken with the guidance of experienced mentors alongside fellow learners. February - September 2024 Monthly morning sessions on Fridays Join Sarah in this journey of self-discovery and leadership mastery, where you'll enhance your leadership skills and forge meaningful connections with fellow therapists who are committed to their own growth and the betterment of the therapy field. Join the group now at https://www.headheartbiztherapy.com/authentic-leaders-group Let’s be friends! You can find me in the following places… Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne’s Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness NEW: Our Bookshop.org page! https://bookshop.org/shop/HeadHeartBizTherapy NEW: Check out our cute new merch items! https://tinyurl.com/CWHmerch

It’s a difficult time to identify as a fiercely open-hearted, optimistic human. That’s especially true for folks embodying marginalized identities. And yet, somehow, Michael J. Morris finds ways to lead with love. They’re a powerhouse multi-hyphenated talent committed to personal and collective healing and liberation through their work as an astrologer, tarot reader, artist, writer, teacher, facilitator, and witch. Michael deepened their knowledge of witchcraft under elders of the Ara tradition and studied astrology with Demetra George and Chani Nicholas while also pursuing their Ph.D. in Dance Movement. Their professional endeavors are, as a result, incredibly diverse: tarot consultations, reiki, astrological readings, ritual facilitation, teaching… Ultimately, Michael helps folks find the tools they need to create a more meaningful life. GUEST BIO Michael J. Morris, PhD., is an astrologer and tarot reader, artist, writer, teacher, facilitator, and witch committed to personal and collective healing and liberation. They began their consulting practice, Co Witchcraft Offerings, in 2019, through which they share astrology, tarot, and movement ritual practices. They hold a PhD in Dance Studies, and their work is inspired and informed by many years of experience in dance, yoga, feminism, queer studies, and making connections between different disciplines and practices. Burnt Out Practice Owner Support Group Hey Practice Owners! Do you feel exhausted, over-extended, and under-appreciated? Does the thought of returning to solo practice cross your mind from time to time (or more often)? If so, you’re not alone. Running a group practice is a challenging and often thankless job. And it can be hard for others to relate if they aren’t business owners too. Join our support group starting January 2024: https://www.headheartbiztherapy.com/burntout Authentic Leaders Group Are you a therapist stepping into leadership for the first time? Or maybe you've been in a leadership position for a while, but are bumping up against new struggles? Our Authentic Leadership Group is here to help you become the authentic and wholehearted leader you aspire to be. And we believe this journey is best undertaken with the guidance of experienced mentors alongside fellow learners. February - September 2024 Monthly morning sessions on Fridays Join Sarah in this journey of self-discovery and leadership mastery, where you'll enhance your leadership skills and forge meaningful connections with fellow therapists who are committed to their own growth and the betterment of the therapy field. Join the group now at https://www.headheartbiztherapy.com/authentic-leaders-group Let’s be friends! You can find me in the following places… Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne’s Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness NEW: Our Bookshop.org page! https://bookshop.org/shop/HeadHeartBizTherapy NEW: Check out our cute new merch items! https://tinyurl.com/CWHmerch

One of the things I love about Anne's episodes is I get to experience them as a fangirl first. Anne's conversation with Nadia Gilani, a London-based yoga teacher and author of The Yoga Manifesto, is no exception (there’s a reason Anne calls Nadia “a warrior pose of a woman”). Sure, the tl;dr header is appropriation vs appreciation within the retail-oriented, whitewashed atmosphere of modern yoga. However, the unabridged version goes deeper, like a good asana, inviting folks to explore their relationship to yoga and its tenets, question the teachers, and consider how our favorite classes are taught and sold. There’s no “proper way" to asana (that’s colonizer thinking!). Nadia and Anne simply, gracefully encourage everyone to get into a sloppy lotus if that’s where they’re at today, investigate their relationship to this vital living practice, and question their participation process, whether that’s as a teacher or a student. GUEST BIO Nadia Gilani (she/her) is a yoga teacher and author of The Yoga Manifesto a part-memoir, part-polemic on the wellness industry and state of play within modern yoga. Are you a therapist stepping into leadership for the first time? Or maybe you've been in a leadership position for a while, but are bumping up against new struggles? Our Authentic Leadership Group is here to help you become the authentic and wholehearted leader you aspire to be. And we believe this journey is best undertaken with the guidance of experienced mentors alongside fellow learners. February - September 2024 Monthly morning sessions on Fridays Join Sarah in this journey of self-discovery and leadership mastery, where you'll enhance your leadership skills and forge meaningful connections with fellow therapists who are committed to their own growth and the betterment of the therapy field. Join the group now at www.headheartbiztherapy.com/authentic-leaders-group SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let’s be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah’s Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne’s Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness NEW: Our Bookshop.org page! https://bookshop.org/shop/HeadHeartBizTherapy NEW: Check out our cute new merch items! https://tinyurl.com/CWHmerch

In the words of post-punk pioneers Talking Heads, “This ain’t no party! This ain’t no disco! This ain’t no foolin’ around!” Instead, we’re getting serious about ketamine and psychedelic-assisted therapy with Heather Friedman, a New Hampshire-based psychotherapist, NARM-certified therapist, EMDR practitioner, and witchy-witch. Whether you’re psychedelic curious or cautious, it’s worth noting that the use of MDMA, psilocybin, ayahuasca, etc., in guided practice could expedite breakthroughs in the treatment of PTSD, C-PTSD, and depression that might take years via talk or somatic modalities alone. Heather views psychedelics as a true “assist,” meaning she advocates for advanced client prep plus post-experience support to correctly disseminate the epiphanies one may have while under the influence. GUEST BIO Heather Friedman MC, LCMHC, LPC, is the owner of Tree of Life Psychotherapy, where she treats a wide variety of clients for PTSD, C-PTSD, mood and anxiety disorders. While she has been trained in many modalities over her 12 year career, her heart belongs to NARM, EMDR and most recently, psychedelic assisted therapy. When she is not busy with the work of healing, you can find her gardening, writing, snuggling her hounds and being with the people she loves. Are you a therapist stepping into leadership for the first time? Or maybe you've been in a leadership position for a while, but are bumping up against new struggles? Our Authentic Leadership Group is here to help you become the authentic and wholehearted leader you aspire to be. And we believe this journey is best undertaken with the guidance of experienced mentors alongside fellow learners. February - September 2024 Monthly morning sessions on Fridays Join Sarah in this journey of self-discovery and leadership mastery, where you'll enhance your leadership skills and forge meaningful connections with fellow therapists who are committed to their own growth and the betterment of the therapy field. Join the group now at www.headheartbiztherapy.com/authentic-leaders-group SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let’s be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah’s Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne’s Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness NEW: Our Bookshop.org page! https://bookshop.org/shop/HeadHeartBizTherapy NEW: Check out our cute new merch items! https://tinyurl.com/CWHmerch