After the JAG Corps: Navigating Your Career Progression

Mark Overberg spent 22 years in the Army and after a brief tenure with the Small Business Administration, returned as a civilian working with U.S. Army Retirement Services, the last 8+ years as its director. In today's episode, we talk about getting ready to leave the service, the things about which one should be thinking, and the resources available, including those at www.soldierforlife.army.mil/retirement. Mark's LinkedIn profile is available at https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-overberg/ --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/tom-welsh/support

Catharine Parnell embodies all the attributes that makes a good JAG: a willingness to learn new areas of the law and then master them. The irony is that serving in the Army was not in her plans, but driven by other factors. She has continued this carpe diem attitude after leaving the military, which has led to her current position as a general counsel of a satellite technology company. Catharine is also a prolific writer about career progression issues on LinkedIn. You can find her profile at https://www.linkedin.com/in/catharine-m-parnell/ --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/tom-welsh/support

When I spoke to Tania Martin on Wednesday via Zoom, it was with a retired JAG who has transitioned to a part-time job after working full-time for a period of time after leaving the Corps. While emphasizing she works with great people with a good company, Tania was candid about still seeking something that provides her with the same level of fulfillment that serving in the Army JAG Corps for 30 years did. Most importantly, however, was her emphasis on having patience with the career progression process after leaving the military. Tania's LinkedIn profile can be found at https://www.linkedin.com/in/tania-martin-5075a79/ --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/tom-welsh/support

This morning, I catch up with my former shipmate, retired Navy captain judge advocate. In a wide-ranging conversation, Vida talks about her career progression from the Navy to the DoD Office of General Counsel and the Senior Executive Service as well as observations and experiences with job-seeking generally. Vida's LI profile can be accessed here. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/tom-welsh/support

This podcast is focused on helping judge advocates plan their career pivot from serving in uniform to a career after the military. An underlying them is the need to plan. This week, however, is focused on carpe diem. As you will hear, Brendan Burke thought he would still be on active duty right now, but on a whim, he applied for a job that was of interest to him and the rest is history. The URL for his LI profile is https://www.linkedin.com/in/hbrendanburke/ --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/tom-welsh/support

In this episode, Scotch Perdue, an attorney with the Fluor Corporation, opens up about the challenges and roadblocks he experienced in making the move to the corporate world, but also those who were incredibly helpful, and his efforts to strengthen the military law network inside the Association of Corporate Counsel with the establishment of a Military Veterans Affinity Group within the National Capital Region Chapter. The URL for Scotch's LinkedIn profile is https://www.linkedin.com/in/scotch-perdue/ --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/tom-welsh/support

Today's guest is someone who truly seizes the day and follows his passion. Retiring in 2014, Dave did not begin focusing on his next career until he was done, ultimately working in compliance in higher education. However, it is what he has done in addition to his post-JAG career that is inspirational as it is impressive. Besides working full-time, Dave has written three fictional novels and is the producer of "Voices to Veterans," in which he records the histories of veterans from all eras and all branches of the military. To learn more about retired Navy JAG Dave Grogan, visit his website DavidEGrogan.com. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/tom-welsh/support

Captain Drew Henderson finished out in his career in San Diego, holding several jobs including as a Commanding Officer and Military Judge before retiring in 2015. His number one consideration in both his final duty stations and follow-on career were driven by geography, as his wife and young son lived in Los Angeles. As you will hear, Drew ultimately landed a position as Counsel with the Department of Defense Office of Hearings and Appeals in their satellite office in LA. Always great when good things happen to good people. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/tom-welsh/support

In this episode, Sue Stewart shares her post-career journey that took her from her adopted home of San Diego, CA, up the coast to San Francisco, to serve as environmental counsel at Chevron before moving over to the biotechnology company Genentech. This journey has all the subplots that you have come to love in this podcast: great timing, the power of the network, and good things happening to good people. Sue's LinkedIn profile is available at https://www.linkedin.com/in/scstewart/. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/tom-welsh/support

In this conversation, Alex Loh shares his journey from the civilian world straight into the Air Force Reserve. So, whereas I have had several guests who were former military officers who transitioned from active duty to a civilian attorney career, and had their perspective of what skills JAGs bring with them, Alex's perspective has been shaped by working in both worlds. Alex's LinkedIn bio can be found at https://www.linkedin.com/in/lohalex/ --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/tom-welsh/support

In this episode, I talk to U.S. Air Force veteran Josh Traeger who left active duty four years ago and moved to Traverse City, Michigan, where he opened his own law practice, True North Legal Group, which includes a division, The Military Defense Firm, dedicated to representing service members worldwide. In this wide-ranging conversation, we talk about what motivated him to leave the active component, the ups and downs of opening up a practice, and the ability to maintain a worldwide practice in today's technologically-advanced world. Josh's LinkedIn profile can be found at https://www.linkedin.com/in/josh-traeger-349ab01a5/ --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/tom-welsh/support

In this episode, Genevieve Loutinsky shares how she took the experiences gained during almost 10 years in the Navy to become a member of the Operational Technology Law Unit with the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Genevieve's LinkedIn profile is located at https://www.linkedin.com/in/genevieve-l-064076192/ --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/tom-welsh/support

In today's episode, I talk to Bob Liu who, thanks to a Skillbridge opportunity, got some exposure in working legal issues associated with a tech start-up and has ended up working at GitHub, a software development company. However, as you will hear, it was not necessarily an easy journey. In Fact, Bob was out of work for several months before landing his current gig, driving home once again that one needs to do his or her homework, endure disappointments, but remain optimistic, which Bob did. Bob's profile can be found at https://www.linkedin.com/in/bobertliu/ --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/tom-welsh/support

In today's episode, Amanda Myers and I talk about our perspective journeys from the Navy JAG Corps to the U. S. Department of Veterans Affairs and U.S. Department of Commerce, respectively. Amanda's LinkedIn Profile can be accessed here. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/tom-welsh/support

In this episode, I sit down with the Honorable (and a captain in the Navy Reserve) Rich Federico whose nomination to become a judge for the US Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit was confirmed by the U.S. Senate in December 2023. One of the few officers who every assignment on active duty and then in the Reserve Component was a litigation assignment, Judge Federico left active duty in 2015 and then served as a Federal public defender in Oregon and then in Kansas before becoming a Federal judge. A truly remarkable accomplishment for a true officer and a gentleman. Judge Federico's profile can be accessed here. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/tom-welsh/support

This episode is about opportunity, timing, initiative, and a truly good fit. The tail end of Alex's career in the State of Washington's National Guard saw him working very closely with the Attorney General's office on some unique issues, including a pandemic, civil disturbances, and civil disobedience with the establishment of a purported autonomous zone in Seattle. So, with established relationships and some familiarity with state laws, governance, and how to get things done, as well as a desire to stay local, what do you do when they want to hire now but you will not retire until months later? Skillbridge, of course! Alex's LinkedIn profile is at https://www.linkedin.com/in/alex-m-straub/. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/tom-welsh/support

This week, I talk to James McGhee, who was a practicing attorney with plans to become a U.S. Attorney, decided to join the U.S. Air Force after a fateful hike with his brother up The Incline at Pike's Peak in Colorado Springs. James went onto serve just over four and one-half years before moving onto his current role as an employment and labor law attorney in Dallas, Texas. James's LinkedIn profile is available at https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-mcgehee/. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/tom-welsh/support

This week we learn about Mark’s unplanned career as a lawyer. As a young soldier, Mark ended becoming a paralegal after the Army did away with his MOS, and then went to law school after a conversation with a JAG. After graduating he had no intention of coming back into the Army (going into private practice instead) until 9/11. He then went onto serve another 15 years. In retirement, Mark served in Government before moving onto his current corporate role. Mark’s profile is available on LinkedIn. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/tom-welsh/support

Post-military career progression is driven by a number of factors including geography, an individual member's financial requirements, area of expertise, and desires. In this instance, we hear from Brent Thompson whose career progression was driven predominantly by location, location, location. In this instance, Brent and his wife had purchased a house in a rural part of California. Yet, via informational interviews, networking, and the rise of remote working due to the pandemic, he landed a job with a firm out of Sacramento, California. Brent's LinkedIn profile is available at https://www.linkedin.com/in/brent-thompson/ --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/tom-welsh/support

We close out 2023 with Holly Taylor who enlisted in the Navy before earning her commission and retiring after 26 years of service. While in the Navy, Holly served as a storekeeper, legalman, as a security officer, and then in admin and HR. After leaving the service, Holly went back to school before joining Amazon, serving in Arizona and Alabama, before breast cancer forced her to focus on her health. Holly now serves as a virtual assistant, is active in the military transition field, and leadership coaching and consulting. Holly is a great example of the opportunities that await all of us as we leave military service. Holly’s LinkedIn profile is at https://www.linkedin.com/in/hollybrasheartaylor?utm_source=share&utm_campaign=share_via&utm_content=profile&utm_medium=ios_app --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/tom-welsh/support