The Main Thing Podcast

Welcome back to The Main Thing Podcast — your wisdom podcast where we explore insights, stories, and ideas that help us get a little bit better at life. In this episode, host Skip Lineberg sits down with optometrist, author, and community leader Dr. Brad Lane for a thoughtful conversation about mindset, perception, and the power of intentional focus. Brad shares how a simple journaling practice reshaped his daily life, how gratitude and reflection can transform our outlook, and why the human brain often finds exactly what it is looking for. Drawing from both neuroscience and real-life experience, Brad explains the role of the reticular activating system—a powerful mental filter that influences what we notice, believe, and ultimately become. Podcast Resources & Links AmazonAppalachian Eye Care LinkedIn Through stories from his upbringing as the son of a West Virginia coal miner, his journey into optometry, and his work serving communities across the region, Brad offers listeners practical wisdom about how to train the mind, shape perspective, and live with purpose and clarity. This conversation is both reflective and practical—filled with insights you can begin applying immediately. Press play and discover why seeing life clearly begins with choosing what you focus on. What You'll Learn in This Episode journalingreticular activating system A Bit More About Our Wise Guest Dr. Brad Lane is a business and community leader and the co-owner and operator of Appalachian Eye Care, a growing regional optometry practice serving communities in Princeton and Beckley, West Virginia, as well as Giles County, Virginia. A native of Mullens, West Virginia and the proud son of a coal miner, Brad earned undergraduate degrees from Concord University and his Doctor of Optometry from the Pennsylvania College of Optometry. He later completed both an MBA and a Master of Education. Dr. Lane is an active advocate for the optometry profession and has served in leadership roles with several professional organizations and councils. He is also a published author whose upcoming second book, Appalachian Son, is scheduled for release in early 2026. Beyond his professional work, Brad is deeply committed to community service. He currently serves as Vice Chairman of the Concord University Board of Governors and supports multiple scholarships and charitable initiatives throughout the region. Brad Lane joins us for this conversation from Princeton, West Virginia. Credits Editor + Technical Advisor Bob Hotchkiss Brand + Strategy Advisor Andy Malinoski PR + Partnerships Advisor Rachel Bell Graphic Design + Social Media Chloe Lineberg Stay Connected with Us on Social YouTube @themainthingpod Twitter @themainthingpod Instagram @themainthingpod Facebook @TheMainThingPod LinkedIn How Can You Help Support the Growth of this Podcast? Become a subscriber.Share the podcast with one or two friends.Purchase a set of our wisdom cards for inspiration.Follow us on social media @TheMainThingPodBuy some Main Thing Merch from our Merchandise Store.Become a patron of the show and support us on Patreon with funding.Purchase a book from our curated collection on Bookshop.

When the Mic Turns Around What happens when interviewer becomes interviewee? In this special role-reversal episode of The Main Thing, longtime friend Chip VanAlsburg steps in as host to turn the microphone on Skip Lineberg. Together, they explore the origin story behind the podcast, the deeper spiritual motivation driving it, and what it really takes to distill knowledge into wisdom that helps people get better at life. Pulling Back the Curtain on The Main Thing From childhood conversations with elders to the "Holy Spirit moment" that birthed the show. And from the unseen, labor-intensive work behind each 25-minute episode… Skip pulls back the curtain, as Chip presents his own brand of insightful, soul-piercing questions. On Light, Leadership, and the Long Game The duo also dives into: Last but not least, Chip shares his own emerging vision—an honest, heartfelt look at trauma, healing, storytelling, and what he calls "big medicine." If you've ever wondered why this podcast exists—or what wisdom is really for—this conversation will meet you right where you are. Press play. Reflect deeply. Share generously. A Bit More About Our Wise Guest-Host Chip VanAlsburg is a big thinker with a restless mind and a wide-open heart. He challenges assumptions, pushes boundaries, and rarely accepts "no" as the final answer—especially when curiosity or conviction is involved. Bold and unafraid, Chip has spent more than two decades leading in the media, technology, and telecommunications worlds, holding roles such as General Manager, Vice President, and most recently Director at Lumen Technologies in Pittsburgh. But titles only tell part of the story. Chip is a glutton for experiences, with a voracious appetite for life and learning. He's an avid user of emojis, deeply fond of laughter, and unashamed of tears when the moment calls for them. His ego is squarely in check, even as his irises stay cranked wide open in a lifelong quest for peace, perspective, and enlightenment. What makes Chip compelling isn't just what he's accomplished—it's how he shows up: courageous, curious, emotionally honest, and fully engaged with the world around him. He brings that same energy and depth to conversation, making him the kind of guest who doesn't just share insights—he invites reflection. Now, buckle up and get ready to join the duo in exploring the concept of living a good life by pursuing purpose with humility, resilience and faith. This episode was recorded in-person, face-to-face inside Parkwood Studios in Almost Heaven, West Virginia. Resources Podcast Website Sign Up for the Newsletter Learn About the Wisdom Cards Credits Editor + Technical Advisor Bob Hotchkiss Brand + Strategy Advisor Andy Malinoski PR + Partnerships Advisor Rachel Bell Marketing, Social Media and Graphic Design Chloe Lineberg Stay Connected with Us on Social YouTube @themainthingpod Instagram @themainthingpod Facebook @TheMainThingPod LinkedIn Help Support and Sustain This Podcast Become a subscriber.Share the podcast with one or two friends.Follow us on social media @TheMainThingPodBuy some Main Thing Merch from our Merchandise Store.Buy a book from our curated wisdom collection on bookshop.org.Become a patron and support us on Patreon with funding. Episode Chapters [0:00:00] — Intro [0:01:01] — Chip Takes the Mic [0:02:39] — Skip's Wisdom Origin Story [0:06:25] — Faith & Ministry Behind the Podcast [0:08:54] — Product Extensions - Newsletter & Wisdom Cards [0:11:03] — Effulgent: Light & Love [0:14:58] — Spacious Nesters Reframed [0:16:11] — Behind the Scenes of Podcasting [0:17:40] — Chip Shares His Vision and Big News ###

Wisdom, Perspective and Hope on the Border: A Wisdom Conversation with Gil Gillenwater Welcome back to The Main Thing Podcast. We recently engaged in a meaningful and transformative conversation with Gil Gillenwater, a trailblazing humanitarian leader. Gil has devoted his life to serving people in the U.S.–Mexico borderlands. This conversation offers listeners a deeper, more grounded understanding of the southern border, beyond headlines, politics, and talking points. Let's be clear from the outset: if you think this episode is about free handouts or opening up our borders to everyone, you are sorely mistaken. Your eyes will be dramatically opened when you listen to Gil's wisdom. What unfolds is a focused, human conversation about dignity, responsibility, faith, and hope—shared by someone who has lived and worked in the borderlands for decades. Podcast Resources & Links Rancho Feliz Charitable Foundation (Gil's nonprofit): https://ranchofeliz.com/ Gil Gillenwater's book — "Hope on the Border" https://a.co/d/ciQvuDI Videos about Rancho Feliz https://youtube.com/@ranchofeliz?si=JctJeBTZSm2M2ycT Gil and Troy's Epic 1982 Journey - The Arizona Trail https://www.arizonahighways.com/archive/issues/chapter/Doc.1506.Chapter.7 A Focused Wisdom Conversation This episode invites listeners to elevate their perspective on one of the most complex and misunderstood issues in American life by hearing directly from someone with lived experience on the border. Gil shares what decades of service have taught him about humility, human dignity, leadership, and faith—offering insight that replaces assumption with understanding and reaction with clarity. What You'll Learn in This Episode More About Our Wise Guest Gil Gillenwater is the founder and president of the Rancho Feliz Charitable Foundation, an award-winning nonprofit dedicated to long-term, dignity-centered service in the U.S.–Mexico borderlands. His work has been recognized with Arizona's highest honor for volunteerism, as well as formal recognition from Mexican authorities. Gil is also the author of Hope on the Border, a deeply human account of life and service in the borderlands, highlighting both hard realities and quiet acts of redemption. Why This Episode Matters Few topics generate more emotion—and less understanding—than America's southern border. This episode is for anyone willing to have assumptions challenged and perspective expanded. Credits Editor + Technical Advisor Bob Hotchkiss Brand + Strategy Advisor Andy Malinoski PR + Partnerships Advisor Rachel Bell Marketing, Social Media and Graphic Design Chloe Lineberg Stay Connected with Us on Social YouTube @themainthingpod Instagram @themainthingpod Facebook @TheMainThingPod LinkedIn Help Support and Sustain This Podcast Become a subscriber.Share the podcast with one or two friends.Follow us on social media @TheMainThingPodBuy some Main Thing Merch from our Merchandise Store.Buy a book from our curated wisdom collection on bookshop.org.Become a patron and support us on Patreon with funding. Episode Chapters [00:00] — Wisdom, Perspective, and the Need for a Broader View [01:19] — Why the Southern Border Demands Wisdom, Not Sound Bites [02:03] — Meet Gil Gillenwater: A Life Devoted to the Borderlands [03:22] — Walking Arizona and the Power of Public Lands [05:43] — The First Trip That Changed Everything; Skipping Thanksgiving [09:01] — Dignity, Not Handouts: The Lesson That Reshaped His Mission [11:20] — What Americans Aren't Seeing About the Border [15:01] — Walls, Human Suffering, and Hard Truths [18:11] — Enlightened Self-Interest and the Power of Service [24:21] — Gil's "Main Thing": Service as a Portal to an Abundant Life [30:52] — Rancho Feliz and an Invitation to Participate [31:40] — A Parting Word on Interconnection and Shared Humanity

The Worst Christmas Gift I Ever Received Welcome, wisdom-seekers to Skip's Quips - a Holiday Special Edition! This week on The Main Thing Podcast, we're doing something a little different — and a little more intimate. No guest. No interview. Just you and me, gathered around a story that has stayed with me for nearly half a century. And it couldn't be landing at a better time. Today is a week before Christmas, and most of us are feeling the familiar holiday squeeze — the pressure to get it right, to pick the perfect gifts, to keep all the moving parts moving. Before the wrapping paper flies and the chaos peaks, let's pause to unwrap a story that surprised me… and eventually shaped me. This is the tale of the worst Christmas gift I ever received — and the unexpected wisdom it carried. About This Special Episode In this short Christmas reflection, I take you back to 1976, when ten-year-old Skip unwrapped a gift that left him confused, disappointed, and wondering what he had done wrong. But what I didn't know then — and what I can see so clearly now — is that the quiet gifts we don't understand often become the ones that shape our character the most deeply. This story is a reminder that: It's my Christmas gift to you today — a little wisdom wrapped in memory, gratitude, and hindsight. Where's the Special Guest and What's a "Skip's Quip?" We are doing something a little different. I'll be sharing a wisdom lesson with you—but there won't be a guest. Just me, sharing wisdom. A short wisdom lesson of less than 10 minutes total. We plan to do these about 6 times a year. We're calling these special editions - "Skip's Quips." Don't worry, we will still bring you wisdom conversations with our special guests twice a month. Additionally, you will receive "Skip's Quips" to supplement to our regular wisdom programming. Let us know what you think, and please share your feedback. You can do that via SpeakPipe. This special "Skip's Quip" will help you: For More Information About Skip Lineberg Please visit our website. Credits Editor + Technical Advisor Bob Hotchkiss Brand + Strategy Advisor Andy Malinoski PR + Partnerships Advisor Rachel Bell Marketing, Social Media and Graphic Design Chloe Lineberg Stay Connected with Us on Social YouTube @themainthingpod Twitter @themainthingpod Instagram @themainthingpod Facebook @TheMainThingPod LinkedIn TikTok @TheMainThingPod Help Support and Sustain This Podcast Become a subscriber.Share the podcast with one or two friends.Follow us on social media @TheMainThingPodBuy some Main Thing Merch from our Merchandise Store.Buy a book from our curated wisdom collection on bookshop.org.Become a patron and support us on Patreon with funding.

In this heartfelt and deeply meaningful wisdom conversation, I sit down with Kathleen Walker—a trusted friend of more than 25 years, a respected leadership consultant, an entrepreneur and one of the most compassionate people I know. Kathleen works with leaders, teams, and organizations to strengthen communication, clarity, and performance. But beyond her professional expertise, Kathleen brings a rare blend of empathy, insight, and lived wisdom that has shaped countless lives—including mine. This conversation is an invitation to slow down, look inward, and lead differently. Lead With Love – Leadership, Relationships & the Choice That Changes Everything We explore Kathleen's powerful "main thing" wisdom—lead with love—and how it applies in both leadership and personal life. From hiring and workplace communication to parenting, grief, friendship, and everyday relationships, Kathleen reveals how love can become a conscious, transformative choice instead of a reaction driven by fear or frustration. You'll be moved by stories of her father's influence, her journey as a leader and mother, and the simple daily practices that help her choose love again and again. This conversation is filled with encouragement, perspective, and practical insight you can apply immediately. What You'll Learn from Our Wisdom Conversation A Bit More About Our Wise Guest Kathleen Walker is the cofounder of Epiphany Consulting, a leadership and assessment firm serving individuals, teams, and organizations. Her professional background spans telecommunications, transportation, healthcare, law, and personal services. She specializes in communication, leadership alignment, hiring, and personal development. Kathleen is a South Charleston native, a devoted wife and mother of two daughters, and a lifelong encourager. She joins us from Charleston, West Virginia. Podcast Resources Learn more about Epiphany Consulting Credits Editor + Technical Advisor Bob Hotchkiss Brand + Strategy Advisor Andy Malinoski PR + Partnerships Advisor Rachel Bell Marketing, Social Media and Graphic Design Chloe Lineberg Stay Connected with Us on Social YouTube @themainthingpod Twitter @themainthingpod Instagram @themainthingpod Facebook @TheMainThingPod LinkedIn Help Support and Sustain This Podcast Become a subscriber.Share the podcast with one or two friends.Follow us on social media @TheMainThingPodBuy some Main Thing Merch from our Merchandise Store.Buy a book from our curated wisdom collection on bookshop.org.Become a patron and support us on Patreon with funding. Episode Chapters [00:02:45] - Why hiring & onboarding are frustrating; Kathleen's keys to success [00:04:48] - Kathleen's elevator pitch; why she loves what she does [00:05:21] - Understanding our communication styles; generational differences [00:06:15] - What she wanted to be when she grew up [00:07:05] - Assessments: key to understanding ourselves and personal impact [00:08:10] - One morning at the bagel shop; how Kathleen & Skip are connected [00:09:37] - Inviting you to support our mission of delivering wisdom to the world [00:10:40] - Kathleen reveals her Main Thing [00:11:11] - The impact of a mentor - Kathleen's father; wisdom + love in action [00:13:30] - Humanity; three things every human needs (and craves) [00:15:20] - Choosing love over fear [00:18:40] - Seasons of life, friendships and community [00:20:11] - Kathleen shares a parting thought; the butterfly effect [00:22:45] - Skip's final reflection on Kathleen's wisdom lesson

In this inspiring wisdom‑conversation, I sit down with Chris Breed. He's not only a top PGA-certified golf instructor, coach, encourager and faith‑driven leader, he is one of the most inspiring people I've ever met. FACE Forward - Encouragement, Focus & Faith We explore how Chris' coaching insights and spiritual perspectives combine to help us live wiser, bolder lives. Chris introduces his "FACE" framework (Focus • Attitude • Commitment • Effort) and shows how it applies not only on the green, but in our everyday journeys of growth and meaning. You will laugh and learn with stories from his golf career, lessons in resilience and encouragement, and practical tools to help you get unstuck, shift perspective and move forward. Chris' authenticity and positivity will leave you energized and full of confidence. What You'll Learn from Our Wisdom Conversation A Bit More About Our Wise Guest Chris Breed is a full-time golf professional who works at Berry Hills Country Club in Charleston, West Virginia. He has a passion for growing the game of golf and watching his students' skills grow through his instruction and guidance. Chris loves seeing his students shine on and off the golf course. At an early age, Chris developed a passion for teaching and coaching because of the influenced of his mentor, Ted Sheftic. Chris holds numerous PGA golf certifications. He was recently honored by Golf Digest as the #1 golf instructor in West Virginia for the 2025-2026 season. Chris resides in Charleston with his wife and children. He joins us today from the majestic grounds of Berry Hills Country Club. Podcast Resources Connect with Coach Chris Breed on social media— TikTok: @Chris.Breed7 Instagram: ChrisBreed85 Berry Hills Country Club website Credits Editor + Technical Advisor Bob Hotchkiss Brand + Strategy Advisor Andy Malinoski PR + Partnerships Advisor Rachel Bell Marketing, Social Media and Graphic Design Chloe Lineberg Stay Connected with Us on Social YouTube @themainthingpod Twitter @themainthingpod Instagram @themainthingpod Facebook @TheMainThingPod LinkedIn Help Support and Sustain This Podcast Become a subscriber.Share the podcast with one or two friends.Follow us on social media @TheMainThingPodBuy some Main Thing Merch from our Merchandise Store.Buy a book from our curated wisdom collection on bookshop.org.Become a patron and support us on Patreon with funding. Episode Chapters [0:01:35] - Meet Coach Chris Breed Introduction to Chris's personality, passion, and personal connection to Skip. [0:03:34] - Coaching with Purpose Chris's coaching approach and heart for personal growth. [0:06:25] - Golf as a Metaphor for Life True or false questions spark deeper life wisdom through the lens of golf. [0:08:49] - The FACE Framework Chris shares his powerful system for performance and mindset: Focus, Attitude, Commitment, Effort. [0:12:42] - Midnight Golf & Fatherhood Warm memories of learning golf with his dad and how that shaped Chris's passion. [0:14:03] - Coaching Styles & Learning Personalities How Chris adapts lessons to fit visual and feel-based learners. [0:16:21] - Coach Chris Breed Reveals His "Main Thing" Wisdom Chris shares his guiding principle in life — and how encouragement creates transformation. [0:20:35] - Coaching His Son Riley Lessons in expectations, patience, and the shift from "impress" to "bless." [0:24:46] - Faith Through TikTok Using social platforms for spiritual encouragement and sharing daily devotions. [0:26:37] - Anchored by Faith Chris reflects on God's guidance and staying grounded in turbulent times.

Today's wise guest is an entrepreneurial business owner who has lived and worked in Chicago, London and San Francisco. Lindsay Yellin is creative and bold—and she keeps it very real. She's worked as an executive in high-pressure industries and now helps other executive leaders in similar environments to cope and thrive. When you listen to this episode you will come away with … More About Our Wise Guest Lindsay Yellin Lindsay Yellin is an executive leadership coach who helps high-achieving creative leaders move beyond fear and self-doubt to lead with possibility and self-trust. A former advertising executive, she's no stranger to high-pressure, high-visibility environments. And she understands firsthand the challenge of staying true to yourself while leading others. Today, Lindsay is a passionate champion and challenger for her clients, helping them unlock their leadership potential through deep self-connection and intentional relationships. She's also host of a new podcast, "Unfiltered Leadership with Lindsay Yellin." Beyond coaching, you'll also find her behind the espresso bar, where her love for sparking connection shows up just as strongly. Whether in a coaching session or over a cup of coffee, her mission is the same: to inspire clarity, courage, and conviction that drive meaningful, lasting change. Lindsay joins us today from her home in Half Moon Bay, California - on the Pacific Coast midway between Silicon Valley and San Francisco. Resources Lindsay Yellin Coaching website Lindsay's Podcast: Watch on YouTube Listen on Spotify or on Apple Podcasts Credits Editor + Technical Advisor Bob Hotchkiss Brand + Strategy Advisor Andy Malinoski PR + Partnerships Advisor Rachel Bell Marketing, Social Media and Graphic Design Chloe Lineberg Stay Connected with Us on Social YouTube @themainthingpod Twitter @themainthingpod Instagram @themainthingpod Facebook @TheMainThingPod LinkedIn Help Support and Sustain This Podcast Become a subscriber.Share the podcast with one or two friends.Follow us on social media @TheMainThingPodBuy some Main Thing Merch from our Merchandise Store.Buy a book from our curated wisdom collection on bookshop.org.Become a patron and support us on Patreon with funding. Episode Chapters [0:03:41] - Meet Lindsay Yellin: A Journey from Agency Life to Coaching [0:04:18] - Lindsay and Skip share how they are connected [0:04:51] - The Power of Place: Chicago Roots and Career Growth [0:05:51] - The Moment Everything Changed [0:06:31] - Fear vs. Possibility: A Practical Reframe [0:08:59] - Coaching for Creative Leaders [0:10:11] - When the Jenga Tower Shakes: Navigating Uncertainty [0:14:59] - Lindsay Yellin Shares Her Main Thing [0:15:18] - Who I Am, Who I Want to Be: Using Values to Lead Yourself [0:20:53] - Self-Compassion Isn't Soft—It's Strong [0:25:42] - Final Thoughts: Humanity Over Perfection

Welcome to a very special wisdom mini-series. This four-part project originates from an archive of rare 2004 recordings of wisdom conversations with my mentor, John Wells Jr. In the truest sense this batch of wisdom has been two decades in the making. Sadly, John passed away in early February 2005, after battling cancer. Those conversations and recordings served as a pre-cursor, perhaps even a prequel to this podcast which launched 15 years later in 2019. The Courage to Change Part Four features what was, perhaps, John’s favorite story to tell, his favorite wisdom lesson. It showcases John’s humility and his lifelong commitment to learning. John Wells Jr never stopped striving to better himself, to improve. That passion fueled his physical fitness, as you heard in Part One, as well as his business acumen, as you’ll hear in this episode. I think this lesson was his favorite because something he was initially opposed to doing, surprised him with such a positive outcome and impact. You see, to John, learning something was more important and more valuable than simply being right about something. As you listen today, you will get a feel for the Well Home Furnishings flagship store, as well as their innovative approach to business and leadership. The wisdom lesson you get in this episode is straightforward and immediately applicable. It provides a powerful illustration of the values of humility and adaptability in business success. It also delivers a strong reminder of the need to be open to—and ready for—change. Let’s face it, that’s not always easy. More About Our Wise Guest - John Wells, Jr. John was one of the most effective and influential mentors in my lifetime. He taught, led and influenced me, opening my eyes and expanding my thinking on those things that truly matter. I was deeply blessed to know him. John was a dedicated retail veteran and community leader who co-founded Wells Home Furnishings. Known for his entrepreneurial spirit, he led his business to award-winning success. Beyond his career, Wells was deeply involved in civic and youth service organizations in Charleston, including the Boys Scouts, YMCA and United Way, among others, reflecting his commitment to community betterment. In 2000, John was honored with the prestigious Ernst Young Entrepreneur of the Year Award. Though he never sought the spotlight, one day the President of the United States, George W. Bush, stood in Charleston and honored John Wells for his service. His legacy is marked by his dedication to his family, his profession and his community, leaving a lasting impact on everyone who knew him. Resources YMCA Spirit of the Valley Tribute Video to John Wells, Jr. (2005) Wells Home Furnishings website Conversations with My Mentor John - Part Three Conversations with My Mentor John - Part Two Conversations with My Mentor John - Part One Credits Special thanks to Motion Masters, Inc. - Diana Sole Walko, CEO/President - for generously supporting and capturing video and audio from these 2004 sessions. Editor + Technical Advisor Bob Hotchkiss Brand + Strategy Advisor Andy Malinoski PR + Partnerships Advisor Rachel Bell Marketing, Social Media and Graphic Design Chloe Lineberg Stay Connected with Us on Social YouTube @themainthingpod Twitter @themainthingpod Instagram @themainthingpod Facebook @TheMainThingPod LinkedIn TikTok @TheMainThingPod Help Support and Sustain This Podcast Become a subscriber.Share the podcast with one or two friends.Follow us on social media @TheMainThingPodBuy some Main Thing Merch from our Merchandise Store.Buy a book from our curated wisdom collection on bookshop.org.Become a patron and support us on Patreon with funding.

This four-part series originates from an archive of rare 2004 recordings of wisdom conversations with my mentor, John Wells Jr. Sadly, John passed away in early February 2005, after battling cancer. Those conversations and recordings served as a pre-cursor, perhaps even a prequel to this podcast which launched 15 years later in 2019. A Powerful Six-Word Phrase for Leaders Part Three of our our mini-series is the shortest of the four. In it, you will discover one of John’s favorite leadership tools. It’s a powerful, six-word phrase that’s easy to grasp, easy to use and easy to master. It holds the power to unlock your leadership potential. Enjoy this concise, practical wisdom lesson from John Wells Jr. As you listen and learn, begin to think where and when you will have the best opportunity to apply it. More About Our Wise Guest - John Wells, Jr. John was one of the most effective and influential mentors in my lifetime. He taught, led and influenced me, opening my eyes and expanding my thinking on those things that truly matter. I was deeply blessed to know him. John was a dedicated retail veteran and community leader who co-founded Wells Home Furnishings after many years working at R.H. Kyle Furniture Co. Known for his entrepreneurial spirit, he led his business to award-winning success and earned induction into the National Wholesale Furniture Association Hall of Fame. Beyond his career, Wells was deeply involved in civic and youth service organizations in Charleston, including the Boys Scouts, YMCA and United Way, among others, reflecting his commitment to community betterment. In 2000, John was honored with the prestigious Ernst Young Entrepreneur of the Year Award. Though he never sought the spotlight, one day the President of the United States, George W. Bush, stood in Charleston and honored John Wells for his service. His legacy is marked by his dedication to his family, his profession and his community, leaving a lasting impact on everyone who knew him. Resources YMCA Spirit of the Valley Tribute Video to John Wells, Jr. (2005) Wells Home Furnishings website Credits Special thanks to Motion Masters, Inc. - Diana Sole Walko, CEO/President - for generously supporting and capturing video and audio from these 2004 sessions. Editor + Technical Advisor Bob Hotchkiss Brand + Strategy Advisor Andy Malinoski PR + Partnerships Advisor Rachel Bell Marketing, Social Media and Graphic Design Chloe Lineberg Stay Connected with Us on Social YouTube @themainthingpod Twitter @themainthingpod Instagram @themainthingpod Facebook @TheMainThingPod LinkedIn TikTok @TheMainThingPod Help Support and Sustain This Podcast Become a subscriber.Share the podcast with one or two friends.Follow us on social media @TheMainThingPodBuy some Main Thing Merch from our Merchandise Store.Buy a book from our curated wisdom collection on bookshop.org.Become a patron and support us on Patreon with funding.

Welcome to a very special episode and wisdom mini-series. This four-part series originates from an archive of rare 2004 recordings of wisdom conversations with my mentor, John Wells Jr. In the truest sense this batch of wisdom has been two decades in the making. Sadly, John passed away in early February 2005, after battling cancer. Those conversations and recordings served as a pre-cursor, perhaps even a prequel to this podcast which launched 15 years later in 2019. The Art of Visualization In Part Two of our our mini-series, John tells one of his favorite stories. It’s the story of the world’s most famous sculptor, Michelangelo, working to craft the statue of David. This story is a wisdom lesson illustrating the incredible power of belief guided by the art of visualization. When John shared this story with me, it inspired me to take my marketing consulting firm, once a dream, to a greater level of reality. He challenged me to envision the greatest form my business and my life could attain. What might John’s rousing story inspire in you today? More About Our Wise Guest - John Wells, Jr. John was one of the most effective and influential mentors in my lifetime. He taught, led and influenced me, opening my eyes and expanding my thinking on those things that truly matter. I was deeply blessed to know him. John was a dedicated retail veteran and community leader who co-founded Wells Home Furnishings after many years working at R.H. Kyle Furniture Co. Known for his entrepreneurial spirit, he led his business to award-winning success and earned induction into the National Wholesale Furniture Association Hall of Fame. Beyond his career, Wells was deeply involved in civic and youth service organizations in Charleston, including the Boys Scouts, YMCA and United Way, among others, reflecting his commitment to community betterment. His leadership extended to serving as past president of the National Wholesale Furniture Association, where he influenced industry standards and fostered professional growth. Locally, John was known as an effective, tireless leader and chairperson of several charity fundraising drives. In 2000, John was honored with the prestigious Ernst Young Entrepreneur of the Year Award. Though he never sought the spotlight, one day the President of the United States, George W. Bush, stood in Charleston and honored John Wells for his service. His legacy is marked by his dedication to his family, his profession and his community, leaving a lasting impact on everyone who knew him. Resources YMCA Spirit of the Valley Tribute Video to John Wells, Jr. (2005) Wells Home Furnishings website Credits Special thanks to Motion Masters, Inc. - Diana Sole Walko, CEO/President - for generously supporting and capturing video and audio from these 2004 sessions. Editor + Technical Advisor Bob Hotchkiss Brand + Strategy Advisor Andy Malinoski PR + Partnerships Advisor Rachel Bell Marketing, Social Media and Graphic Design Chloe Lineberg Stay Connected with Us on Social YouTube @themainthingpod Twitter @themainthingpod Instagram @themainthingpod Facebook @TheMainThingPod LinkedIn TikTok @TheMainThingPod Help Support and Sustain This Podcast Become a subscriber.Share the podcast with one or two friends.Follow us on social media @TheMainThingPodBuy some Main Thing Merch from our Merchandise Store.Buy a book from our curated wisdom collection on bookshop.org.Become a patron and support us on Patreon with funding. Episode Keywords Wisdom, Art, Sculpture, Podcast, Michelangelo, John Wells Jr., Mentor, Visualization, Potential, Resilience, Vision, Leadership, Service, Courage, Insights, Family, Cancer

Welcome to a very special episode and wisdom mini-series. This four-part series originates from an archive of rare 2004 recordings of wisdom conversations with my mentor, John Wells Jr. Sadly, John passed away in early February 2005, after battling cancer. Those conversations and recordings served as a pre-cursor, perhaps even a prequel to this podcast which launched 15 years later in 2019. In the truest sense this has been two decades in the making. Embracing Adversity with Grace and Resilience Here in Part One our our mini-series, you will hear John share a wisdom lesson with me on the importance of embracing and reframing adversity. Football season is upon us, and appropriately John’s lesson is rooted in a mythical football game. There are victories … and then there are special victories. More About Our Wise Guest - John Wells, Jr. John was one of the most effective and influential mentors in my lifetime. He taught, led and influenced me, opening my eyes and expanding my thinking on those things that truly matter. I was deeply blessed to know him. John was a dedicated retail veteran and community leader who co-founded Wells Home Furnishings after working his years working at R.H. Kyle Furniture Co. Known for his entrepreneurial spirit, he led his business to award-winning success and earned induction into the National Wholesale Furniture Association Hall of Fame. Beyond his career, Wells was deeply involved in civic and youth service organizations in Charleston, including the Boys Scouts, YMCA and United Way, among others, reflecting his commitment to community betterment. His leadership extended to serving as past president of the National Wholesale Furniture Association, where he influenced industry standards and fostered professional growth. Locally, John was known as an effective, tireless leader and chairperson of several charity fundraising drives. His excellence was recognized on the national stage. In 2000, John was honored with the prestigious Ernst Young Entrepreneur of the Year Award. He never sought the spotlight, and yet one day the President of the United States, George W. Bush, stood in Charleston and honored John Wells for his service. His legacy is marked by his dedication to his family, his profession and his community, leaving a lasting impact on everyone who knew him. Resources YMCA Spirit of the Valley Tribute Video to John Wells, Jr. (2005) Wells Home Furnishings website Credits Special thanks to Motion Masters, Inc. - Diana Sole Walko, CEO/President - for generously supporting and capturing video and audio from these 2004 sessions. Editor + Technical Advisor Bob Hotchkiss Brand + Strategy Advisor Andy Malinoski PR + Partnerships Advisor Rachel Bell Marketing, Social Media and Graphic Design Chloe Lineberg Stay Connected with Us on Social YouTube @themainthingpod Twitter @themainthingpod Instagram @themainthingpod Facebook @TheMainThingPod LinkedIn TikTok @TheMainThingPod Help Support and Sustain This Podcast Become a subscriber.Share the podcast with one or two friends.Follow us on social media @TheMainThingPodBuy some Main Thing Merch from our Merchandise Store.Buy a book from our curated wisdom collection on bookshop.org.Become a patron and support us on Patreon with funding.

From Combat Zones to Community Hubs: Jake Harriman's Journey of Servant Leadership I first heard about Jake Harriman by way of his guest appearance on The Jocko Willink Podcast. Immediately I was drawn to his mission, heart and bias for action. Jake Harriman is a former US Marine Commander who spent more than a decade abroad defending our nation from enemies, terrorism and other global threats. But when Jake retired from active military duty and returned to America, in his words, he no longer recognized the nation he had spent so many years defending. Jake quickly saw that Americans were at war with one another. Rather than just lamenting this sad situation, Jake decided to do something about it, and you'll learn all about that in today's episode. More About Our Wise Guest - Jake Harriman Jake Harriman graduated with distinction from the United States Naval Academy and served seven and a half years in the US Marine Corps as a platoon commander in both the infantry and force recon. Following his service in the military, Jake enrolled at the Stanford Graduate School of Business. Following his service in the military, Jake enrolled at the Stanford Graduate School of Business. While at Stanford, he founded Nuru International to eradicate extreme poverty in the world's most unstable, vulnerable regions, to help end violent extremism. Jake also played a vital role in drafting, introducing and passing groundbreaking new legislation called the Global Fragility Act of 2019 that equips America with new authorities and resources to prevent conflict and stabilize some of the most fragile regions around the world. Today, Jake is the founder and president of More Perfect Union, a veteran-led civic organization that works to unite the country and strengthen our communities through social connection, service and civic engagement. Resources More Perfect Union website Nuru International website Jake Harriman on LinkedIn Credits Editor + Technical Advisor Bob Hotchkiss Brand + Strategy Advisor Andy Malinoski PR + Partnerships Advisor Rachel Bell Marketing, Social Media and Graphic Design Chloe Lineberg Stay Connected with Us on Social YouTube @themainthingpod Twitter @themainthingpod Instagram @themainthingpod Facebook @TheMainThingPod LinkedIn Help Support and Sustain This Podcast Become a subscriber.Share the podcast with one or two friends.Follow us on social media @TheMainThingPodBuy some Main Thing Merch from our Merchandise Store.Buy a book from our curated wisdom collection on bookshop.org.Become a patron and support us on Patreon with funding. Episode Chapters [0:03:55] - Wisdom gleaned in West Virginia [0:05:25] - Transformed by combat [0:06:30] - Jake has an epiphany in Southern Iraq [0:11:23] - Lasting meaningful choices; a life focused on mitigating poverty [0:13:40] - Jake’s move to Kenya; challenges, establishing roots, making impact [0:15:55] - A pivotal conversation with Philip [0:17:38] - Jake returns to America; a heartbreaking realization [0:25:38] - Jake shares his Main Thing [0:30:19] - An all-hand-on-deck time for America and its citizens Episode Keywords Wisdom, Servant, Leadership, Marines, Naval Academy, Commander, Poverty, Conflict, Military, More Perfect Union, Community Engagement, West Virginia, Resilience, Integrity, Combat, Iraq, Force Recon, Kenya, Service, Civics, Dehumanization

Creative expression comes in many forms—and it’s not limited to the arts. Creative expression can be a tremendous, strategic advantage in business, too. The rich, full life of our guest, Bryan Boyd, is a perfect illustration of this wisdom truth. Musical Journeys Meet Marketing Mastery In this rich, colorful wisdom conversation with Bryan Boyd, the ingenious artist and musician, you will discover how someone can blend art, music and entrepreneurship synergistically and successfully. Fresh off a notable performance where he shared the stage with KC and the Sunshine Band, Bryan sheds light on his journey through the realms of business and music. As a leader in marketing and design, Bryan unveils unconventional strategies for cultivating client trust and success authentically and effectively. Discover how urgency and passion, guided by the wisdom of Joseph Campbell's "follow your bliss," can drive excellence in professional and personal spheres. We explore the importance of balancing these principles, not just in business but in nurturing our personal relationships as well. Bryan's insights promise to leave you motivated, reminding us all that passion, coupled with purposeful actions, can indeed create a lasting impact on those around us. A Bit More About Our Wise Guest - Bryan Boyd Bryan Boyd hails from the coalfields of southern West Virginia. He’s the son of legendary, hall-of-fame basketball coach, Jennings Boyd, who guided Northfork High School to eight consecutive AA state championships from 1974 to 1981. Bryan is a gifted musician and vocalist. He performs regularly in three diverse groups including The Velvet Brothers (a Vegas-style show band), Central Standard Time (progressive and contemporary jazz) and Combo Latino (latin fusion). An artist and designer by degree and profession, Bryan continues to explore creative expression through many forms, including visual art and songwriting. He’s been a supporter and member for four decades of the arts and related charitable organizations in our region. An avid fisherman and dog lover, Bryan resides in Charleston, WV with his wife Mary and their one-year-old Australian Shepherd, Rufus. Settle in and get ready. Over the next 30 minutes, you will discover why Bryan Boyd is one of the wisest people I know. Resources Bryan Boyd Creative Group website Wikipedia page of author Joseph Campbell (mentioned by Bryan in this episode) The Velvet Brothers Facebook page Credits Editor + Technical Advisor Bob Hotchkiss Brand + Strategy Advisor Andy Malinoski PR + Partnerships Advisor Rachel Bell Graphic Design + Social Media Chloe Lineberg Stay Connected with Us on Social YouTube @themainthingpod Twitter @themainthingpod Instagram @themainthingpod Facebook @TheMainThingPod LinkedIn How Can You Help Support the Growth of this Podcast? Become a subscriber.Share the podcast with one or two friends.Follow us on social media @TheMainThingPodBuy some Main Thing Merch from our Merchandise Store.Become a patron of the show and support us on Patreon with funding.Purchase a book from our curated collection on Bookshop. Episode Chapters [0:03:13] - A hot performance on stage; opening up for KC & The Sunshine Band [0:06:28] - Bryan’s journey with music; which came first: music or art? [0:08:51] - How Skip and Bryan are connected [0:10:20] - Client Confidence Through Listening and Creativity [0:12:12] - Doodling, sketching or translating? [0:17:46] - Bryan Boyd reveals his Main Thing wisdom nugget [0:18:21] - The Power of urgency and passion [0:22:15] - Applying Bryan’s main thing in family life [0:24:48] - What happens when you follow your bliss [0:26:20] - A recognition of joy Episode Keywords Wisdom, Creativity, Marketing, Advertising, Client, Trust, Success, Passion, Urgency, Joseph Campbell, Bliss, Family, Balance, Satisfaction, Fulfillment

A productive, peaceful workday morning in 2002, suddenly shifted into a frenzy of quick decision-making and high-profile event planning. What turned it? An unexpected phone call from the White House transformed that ordinary Wednesday into something truly extraordinary. Join me, Skip Lineberg, on "The Main Thing Podcast" as we explore a remarkable tale of seizing unexpected opportunities. Seizing Serendipity: A 4th of July to Remember When my former company, Maple Creative, was invited to assist with President George W. Bush's 4th of July 2002 visit to Ripley, West Virginia, it was all thanks to a former student intern who remembered us. This unexpected opportunity highlights the significance of relationships and the ripple effect they can have on our lives and careers. Beyond that, this unique story illustrates the power of saying “Yes,” even when you don’t yet have all the answers or resources. Join us on this wisdom journey and discover how such moments can shape our lives and careers in the most unforeseen ways. Where’s the Special Guest and What’s a “Skip’s Quip?" We are doing something a little different. I’ll be sharing a wisdom lesson with you—but there won’t be a guest. Just me, sharing wisdom. A short wisdom lesson - about 10 minutes total. We plan to do these about 6 times a year. We’re calling these special editions - “Skip’s Quips.” Don’t worry, we will still bring you wisdom conversations with our special guests twice a month. Additionally, you will receive “Skip’s Quips” to supplement to our regular wisdom programming. Let us know what you think, and please share your feedback. You can do that via SpeakPipe. For More Information About Skip Lineberg Please visit our website. Credits Editor + Technical Advisor Bob Hotchkiss Brand + Strategy Advisor Andy Malinoski PR + Partnerships Advisor Rachel Bell Marketing, Social Media and Graphic Design Chloe Lineberg Stay Connected with Us on Social YouTube @themainthingpod Twitter @themainthingpod Instagram @themainthingpod Facebook @TheMainThingPod LinkedIn TikTok @TheMainThingPod Help Support and Sustain This Podcast Become a subscriber.Share the podcast with one or two friends.Follow us on social media @TheMainThingPodBuy some Main Thing Merch from our Merchandise Store.Buy a book from our curated wisdom collection on bookshop.org.Become a patron and support us on Patreon with funding.

What if your life could become a masterpiece of intentional creativity? Join us as we explore this possibility with Pia Leichter, an author, founder, creative director and guide in this special 30-minute episode. Celebrating the Creative Potential Within Us All In our conversation with Pia, we dive into the essence of creativity as a vital force beyond the arts, challenging the common misconception that it exists solely in artistic endeavors. She shares insights on how creativity is akin to teaching and coaching, requiring courage and the willingness to embrace uncertainty. We also explore creativity in unexpected domains, from science to law, and highlight its universality, encouraging everyone to recognize their inherent creative potential, irrespective of their field or background. Shared wisdom and stories, like Pia’s rather spontaneous decision to take a four-week journey on the Trans-Siberian Railway, illustrate how we hold the power to rewrite our narratives. We also delve into practical steps for nurturing creativity in everyday life, from morning routines to visualizing desired outcomes, empowering listeners to take control of their own creative destinies. A Bit More About Our Wise Guest Pia Leichter is a creative partner, published author, certified coach, and entrepreneur. Influenced by her mother’s boldness and her father's artistic background, creativity for Pia Leichter is not limited to traditional art forms. Instead it is a way of life that permeates every decision and every moment. Pia’s journey from Canada to New York and eventually Copenhagen has been nothing short of transformative. A recovering nomad, she’s reported as a journalist in Sri Lanka, graduated summa cum laude from NYU, and worked as an award-winning creative director for some of the biggest brands in the world. Now, as the founder of Kollektiv Studio, she’s uniquely positioned to co-create ventures and wild visions. Pia recently published a book titled, “Welcome to the Creative Club.” Her book is part memoir and part guidebook, and it will challenge everything you thought you knew about creativity. She joins us from her home in Copenhagen, Denmark. Over the next hour, you will discover why Pia Leichter is one of the wisest people I know. Resources Pia’s website Kollektiv Studio Get Pia’s book “Welcome to the Creative Club” via our Bookshop or via Amazon Credits Editor + Technical Advisor Bob Hotchkiss Brand + Strategy Advisor Andy Malinoski PR + Partnerships Advisor Rachel Bell Marketing, Social Media and Graphic Design Chloe Lineberg Stay Connected with Us on Social YouTube @themainthingpod Twitter @themainthingpod Instagram @themainthingpod Facebook @TheMainThingPod LinkedIn Help Support and Sustain This Podcast Become a subscriber.Share the podcast with one or two friends.Follow us on social media @TheMainThingPodBuy some Main Thing Merch from our Merchandise Store.Buy a book from our curated wisdom collection on bookshop.org.Become a patron and support us on Patreon with funding. Episode Chapters 0:06:00 - Are we all born with creativity, or just a few? 0:11:15 - The courage to embrace uncertainty 0:13:24 - Moving with trust instead of fear 0:18:16 - Wisdom versus knowledge 0:24:30 - Pia’s work as creative advisor to rebels, dreamers and misfits 0:30:35 - Pia shares her Main Thing wisdom nugget 0:36:13 - Overcoming fear; the power of choice 0:38:18 - Sovereignty and awareness in life’s experiences 0:41:19 - Creating your desired experience 0:46:12 - Exploring Pia’s new book “Welcome to the Creative Club” 0:50:51 - Reclaiming your creative power 0:54:02 - Pia’s closing thought: embracing uncertainty when creating

Taylor Kennedy is a talented, young sports journalist whose career is off to a blazing start, despite some early adversity. He joins us on this episode to share his inspiring journey through the world of sports journalism and mental health. The Journey: From Panic Attacks to Professional Excellence May is Mental Health Awareness Month. Keeping with that theme, Taylor shares openly about his experiences with anxiety and panic attacks. In our conversation, Taylor speaks candidly about facing these challenges head-on and the strength he found in vulnerability. His story is a powerful reminder of the importance of speaking out and seeking support when needed, as well as the impact that mentorship and shared experiences can have on our lives. Taylor's passion for sports, sparked by his father's influence, shines through as he talks about his current job, covering regional sports for his state’s largest newspaper. You’ll hear the pride he takes in creating lasting memories for young athletes. Through anecdotes from Taylor's own days of scholastic sports, listeners are treated to heartwarming stories of camaraderie and the life lessons imparted by coaches. In a heartfelt closing chapter, Taylor recounts the transformative mentorship he received from Tony Caridi and the invaluable guidance he soaked up during his remarkable five-year stint at MetroNews Network. More About Our Wise Guest - Taylor Kennedy Taylor Kennedy is a sports reporter and columnist for the Charleston Gazette-Mail under the HD Media umbrella. Taylor's primary coverage area is the Kanawha Valley of West Virginia, where he focuses upon high school sports, with an occasional splash in WVU and Marshall college athletics. In his spare time, he enjoys watching sports. Taylor has worked alongside a few of West Virginia's most influential media icons, including Tony Caridi, Hoppy Kercheval and Fred Persinger. He served for several years as Producer of the podcast “Three Guys Before the Game.” Taylor is a graduate of West Virginia University. He resides in Charleston, West Virginia. Resources Connect with Taylor on Facebook Three Guys Before the Game podcast webpage Charleston Gazette-Mail website: prep sports Credits Editor + Technical Advisor Bob Hotchkiss Brand + Strategy Advisor Andy Malinoski PR + Partnerships Advisor Rachel Bell Marketing, Social Media and Graphic Design Chloe Lineberg Stay Connected with Us on Social YouTube @themainthingpod Twitter @themainthingpod Instagram @themainthingpod Facebook @TheMainThingPod LinkedIn Help Support and Sustain This Podcast Become a subscriber.Share the podcast with one or two friends.Follow us on social media @TheMainThingPodBuy some Main Thing Merch from our Merchandise Store.Buy a book from our curated wisdom collection on bookshop.org.Become a patron and support us on Patreon with funding. Episode Chapters [0:05:49] - How Skip and Taylor are connected; youth sports; impact of coaches [0:08:35] - Arriving early to the gym or ball field; taking in the scene [0:11:17] - Taylor’s pivotal post on Facebook; sharing with vulnerability [0:13:22] - Navigating panic attacks and mental health [0:22:30] - Taylor shares his main thing wisdom lesson [0:24:22] - Mentorship and gratitude; a father and another "father figure" emerges [0:29:20] - Saturdays with our fathers; WVU football on the radio [0:34:25] - Shattering the stigma: caring for our mental wellness

Valerie Hart is a coach, guide and company co-founder. She has coached me, hypnotized me, led me on hikes and introduced me to such concepts as QiGong and reframing. In the course of our work together over the past 3 years, she has become my good friend, as well. Valerie’s Wisdom Journey from Science to Serenity Valerie Hart is a former FBI forensic scientist who gave up a coveted, big-city career path in favor of the narrower, wooded paths and moss-lined trails deep in the Monongahela Forest. In this deep, authentic wisdom conversation, you will discover why Valerie made that transition. Plus you’ll learn about: More About Our Wise Guest - Valerie Hart A lifelong nature enthusiast, Valerie grew up exploring the wild, wonderful woods of West Virginia. As co-founder of Wonder and Grow and coordinator of Randolph County Outdoors, Valerie helps others cultivate awareness, trust their inner wisdom and deepen their connection with the natural world. This former FBI forensic scientist is now a certified mindful outdoor guide, certified interpretive guide, mindful communication facilitator, yoga instructor and West Virginia master naturalist. In her free time, Valerie finds joy in climbing trees, singing, backpacking, fossil hunting, petting moss and savoring coffee on her front porch. Valerie and her family live in Elkins, West Virginia. Now, a deep, cleansing breath in … and release—slowly exhaling. Over the next 25 minutes you will discover why Valerie Hart is one of the wisest people I know. Resources Wonder and Grow website Wild Edge Retreat - Spruce Knob - Aug. 7-10, 2025 - registration page Connect with Valerie on LinkedIn Credits Editor + Technical Advisor Bob Hotchkiss Brand + Strategy Advisor Andy Malinoski PR + Partnerships Advisor Rachel Bell Marketing, Social Media and Graphic Design Chloe Lineberg Stay Connected with Us on Social YouTube @themainthingpod Twitter @themainthingpod Instagram @themainthingpod Facebook @TheMainThingPod LinkedIn Help Support and Sustain This Podcast Become a subscriber.Share the podcast with one or two friends.Follow us on social media @TheMainThingPodBuy some Main Thing Merch from our Merchandise Store.Buy a book from our curated wisdom collection on bookshop.org.Become a patron and support us on Patreon with funding. Episode Chapters [0:04:30] - How Skip and Valerie are connected [0:05:30] - Working at the FBI [0:10:58] - Valerie shares her main thing [0:12:00] - Intuition - what is it; and how to tap into it? [0:14:08] - Why surprise is not a bad thing [0:18:07] - All about the upcoming Wild Edge Retreat - Aug. 2025 [0:20:58] - Journaling and noticing

What if you could redefine your identity beyond titles and roles? How do you know which path to take when you come upon a fork in the road along life’s journey? Join us, as we explore these profound questions with our remarkably wise guest, Dave Schutter. From Military to Ministry - Dave Schutter’s Wisdom Journey Our special guest Dave Schutter had his sights set on a military career, dreaming of an appointment to West Point. But God had a different plan for his life. From his dreams of West Point to a transformative mission trip to Albania, Dave's journey is a testament to adaptability, faith and finding purpose. Together, we unravel the intricate balance of separating who we are from what we do, sharing experiences from his time as a military chaplain in Afghanistan and his work in pastoral ministry. It's an engaging conversation steeped in life's simple joys and the wisdom found in unexpected places. More about Pastor Dave Schutter Dave is a military veteran, a pastor and a pizza aficionado. Born and raised in Cleveland, Ohio, as the son of a military man, Dave dreamed of attending West Point, but a sports injury prevented him from passing the fitness entrance exam. He didn't give up on that dream and years later Dave qualified for that appointment to the US Military Academy at West Point. But he turned down that opportunity in favor of something different. Today, Dave leads the congregation at Northwest Presbyterian Church as Senior Pastor. Notably in Dave's life, he served as a military Chaplain in the US Army, including an active deployment in Afghanistan. That tour of duty earned him the prestigious Bronze Star. Dave Schutter graduated with a Master of Divinity degree from Covenant Theological Seminary in 1997 and earned a Master of Theology degree from Westminster Seminary in 2017. He completed his undergraduate studies at Miami (Ohio) University in 1993. Dave is also a contributor to the Jonathan Edwards Encyclopedia (Eerdmans, Fall 2017) and the Jonathan Edwards Global Sermon Editing Project. Dave, his wife Kim, and their three children live in the Columbus Ohio area. Resources Connect with Dave on LinkedIn Link to website for Dave’s church - Northwest Presbyterian Church Credits Editor + Technical Advisor Bob Hotchkiss Brand + Strategy Advisor Andy Malinoski PR + Partnerships Advisor Rachel Bell Marketing, Social Media and Graphic Design Chloe Lineberg Stay Connected with Us on Social YouTube @themainthingpod Twitter @themainthingpod Instagram @themainthingpod Facebook @TheMainThingPod LinkedIn Help Support and Sustain This Podcast Become a subscriber.Share the podcast with one or two friends.Follow us on social media @TheMainThingPodBuy some Main Thing Merch from our Merchandise Store.Buy a book from our curated wisdom collection on bookshop.org.Become a patron and support us on Patreon with funding. Episode Chapters [0:03:48] - Skip and Dave pontificate on their shared love of pizza [0:05:48] - Dave’s family military legacy; dreams of West Point [0:07:11] - How Skip and Dave are connected [0:08:50] - Dave shares his main thing [0:10:17] - Identity; Solid advice from a mentor in South Dakota [0:14:16] - Pain points, feelings of shame and wondering if we are enough [0:18:39] - A pivotal trip to Albania [0:21:10] - Dave shares a final thought ###

Our special, wise guest, Anita Stubenrauch, is one of the most creative people I’ve ever met. She's a writer, speaker, podcaster and entrepreneur. Our paths crossed when she delivered the keynote speech at a conference I attended last November in Austin, TX. Immediately after her presentation, I knew we had to have her on the show. Anita is a former Apple creative professional who spent a significant chunk of her career at Apple's headquarters in Cupertino, California. While working at Apple, Anita was tapped to write the Apple Credo. She also created presentations seen by Steve Jobs and other members of his executive leadership team. After leaving Apple, Anita founded a retreat space nestled in the mountains of California. It's called the Land of Make and Believe. She publishes a high-voltage podcast called "Hyperactive Imagination." Anita also runs a creative consultancy known as Cause Effect Creative, where she provides guidance to brands and brand builders, executives and entrepreneurs. In this enriching episode, you'll discover the main thing Anita has learned in her lifetime. Plus, you'll learn about: Anita Stubenrauch joins us today from her home in the hills of Murphys, California. Now buckle up and get ready for a high energy whirlwind experience. Over the next 25 minutes, you will discover why Anita Stubenrauch is one of the wisest people I know. Resources Link to Anita’s website Cause:Effect Creative Link to website for The Land of Make and Believe Link to podcast site for Hyperactive Imagination Credits Editor + Technical Advisor Bob Hotchkiss Brand + Strategy Advisor Andy Malinoski PR + Partnerships Advisor Rachel Bell Marketing, Social Media and Graphic Design Chloe Lineberg Stay Connected with Us on Social YouTube @themainthingpod Twitter @themainthingpod Instagram @themainthingpod Facebook @TheMainThingPod LinkedIn Help Support and Sustain This Podcast Become a subscriber.Share the podcast with one or two friends.Follow us on social media @TheMainThingPodBuy some Main Thing Merch from our Merchandise Store.Buy a book from our curated wisdom collection on bookshop.org.Become a patron and support us on Patreon with funding. Episode Chapters [0:03:06] - How Skip and Anita met; the power of story [0:05:20] - A fateful visit to the Apple Store in Arizona [0:10:13] - How Anita was chosen to write the Apple Credo [0:13:43] - The Apple Credo, read for us by Anita Stubenrauch [0:16:38] - Anita shares her Main Thing; a time for replenishing [0:19:35] - Anita’s new venture - The Land of Make and Believe [0:23:45] - Anita shares a closing thought to encourage us

Hoppy Kercheval, the esteemed “dean of broadcasting” in West Virginia, brings his wealth of experience in journalism to this dynamic episode, offering listeners valuable insights into the art of showing up every day and the transformative power of wisdom. A Broadcaster's Path to Lifelong Learning and Legacy Hoppy, renowned for his work in covering public affairs, politics, and sports, shares personal stories that illuminate the importance of being present and recognizing the pivotal moments that define our paths. We explore Hoppy's unexpected start in journalism during high school, which set him on a remarkable career trajectory, and discuss the subtle signals that might indicate when it's time to step back or retire. Throughout the episode, we underscore the value of lifelong learning and stepping out of comfort zones to embrace diverse perspectives. Today you will discover Hoppy's main thing, the most important wisdom lesson he wants to share from his lifetime and his career. In this rich, authentic wisdom conversation you'll also learn about: More About Our Special Guest Hoppy Kercheval Hoppy Kercheval joined West Virginia Radio Corporation in 1976. A founder of MetroNews, Kercheval served as news director until assuming the role of vice president of operations in 1991. In 1993, he created “Metro News Talk Line,” which became the signature program of the network. Hoppy has received a number of honors over the years, including the Mel Burka Award, which is given to the state's top broadcaster. An avid traveler, Hoppy's adventures have taken him to 19 different countries around the world. He and his wife, Karin, live in Morgantown, West Virginia. Resources Link to Hoppy’s company website WV MetroNews Link to podcast site for 3 Guys Before the Game Hoppy’s treasured interview with Anthony Bourdain RAGBRAI website - the bike ride across Iowa Credits Editor + Technical Advisor Bob Hotchkiss Brand + Strategy Advisor Andy Malinoski PR + Partnerships Advisor Rachel Bell Marketing, Social Media and Graphic Design Chloe Lineberg Stay Connected with Us on Social YouTube @themainthingpod Twitter @themainthingpod Instagram @themainthingpod Facebook @TheMainThingPod LinkedIn Help Support and Sustain This Podcast Become a subscriber.Share the podcast with one or two friends.Follow us on social media @TheMainThingPodBuy some Main Thing Merch from our Merchandise Store.Buy a book from our curated wisdom collection on bookshop.org.Become a patron and support us on Patreon with funding. Episode Chapters [0:04:53] - Radio careers and riding a bicycle across Iowa; [0:07:33] - How Hoppy and Skip are connected; Eastern Panhandle roots [0:10:03] - An opportunity, a nudge and a seminal moment [0:12:46] - A deciding factor for Hoppy; knowing when it’s time to move on [0:14:34] - Hoppy shares his Main Thing [0:18:49] - Reflecting on interviews - the good, the bad and the key to it all [0:24:33] - Hoppy’s next chapter; future endeavors; and his legacy [0:28:15] - A parting thought from Hoppy on the value of being fully present Episode Keywords Wisdom, Fairness, Transitions, Hoppy, Kercheval, Journalism, WVU, Mountaineers, Broadcasting, Showing Up, Radio, Podcasting, Talk, TalkLine, Seminal, Retirement, Learning, Growth, Understanding, Curiosity, LGBTQ, Interviews, Anthony, Bourdain, McGraw, Legacy, Balance, Consistency, Dedication, Network, WAJR, WRNR, WXVA, Jefferson, WV, West Virginia, Balance, Credibility, Walter, Cronkite, RAGBRAI, cycling, Iowa, MetroNews