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Well, loyal Listener, it's finally here to hear...after 3 years of waiting, the final episode of What Do You Think About...? In this, their last effort, Jim and John discuss a topic that merges each of their favorite subjects...UFOs and Cryptids! Prepare yourself to learn of the Para-Apes...cryptic cryptids that just might be the pilots of those pesky UAPs people see...or maybe they're just the business-class passengers on these strange craft Sources: Flying Saucer Review Vol. 41 No. 4, Winter 1996, Worley, Don, “Examining the Mystery of the ‘Para-Apes’” The Journal Herald, “Central Ohio Shares a Border with the Outer Limits,” by Bob Batz, September 14, 1985, page 21 Creatures of the Outer Edge, Jerome Clark & Loren Coleman, 1978 Silent Invasion: The Pennsylvania UFO-Bigfoot Casebook, Stan Gordon, 2010 http://www.strangemag.com/strangemag/strange21/unnaturalindiana/unnaturalindiana3bigfoot.html https://www.gaia.com/article/ufos-bigfoot-evidence-interdimensional-connection

Tulpas...sounds kind of like something on a Taco Bell menu, doesn't it? Well, it isn't! Learn how to unleash the powers of your mind and how to create your own special best friend...or a monster to plague the earth. User results may vary. Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulpa https://www.wikihow.com/Create-a-Tulpa https://exemplore.com/paranormal/Tulpas-A-History-and-Example-of-Living-Thoughtforms Who Censored Roger Rabbitby Gary K. Wolf Sound Effects Laughter provided by zapsplat.com Sensual moaning provided by quicksounds.com

We are in the home stretch and rapidly approaching the finish line, Listener! This offering is Jim's next to last episode and explores an oddity that he only recently uncovered..The Flintstones cartoon series does not play out against a prehistoric backdrop as one would assume at first glance...their world is, in reality, a post-apocalyptic one! No, it's true! Just give this one a listen and keep your mind open. Sources: https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/travel/strange-things-viewers-didn-t-realize-about-the-flintstones/ss-AAXwtQN?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=759bb6d47f2245b2b406193f51993d26#image=1 https://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/why-flintstones-takes-place-in-post-apocalyptic-future https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/modern https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0580153/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_Flintstone "Meet the Flintstones" composed by Hoyt Curtin, Joseph Barbera and William Hanna (1961) Sound FXs: Explosion provided by www.soundsnap.com Duh-Duh-Duuuuuuh provided by www.freesound.com Disappointed "Aaahs" provided by www.zapsplat.com Everything else is pure Jim

Here's a final Halloween treat for you listeners...Jim relates the gruesome tale of the 16th Century sorcerer and werewolf: Peter Stübbe Sources: A true Discourse. Declaring the damnable life and death of one Stubbe Peter, a most wicked Sorcerer, who in the likeness of a Wolf, committed many murders, continuing this devilish practice 25 years, killing and devouring Men, Women, and Children. Who for the same fact was taken and executed the 31st of October last past in the Town of Bedburg near the City of Collin in Germany. Truly translated out of the high Dutch, according to the Copy printed in Collin, brought over into England by George Bores ordinary Poste, the XI day of this present Month of June 1590 who did both see and hear the same, Anonymous, 1590 The Werewolf in Lore and Legend, Montague Summers

Not sure what happened, John said he wanted to do an episode on witches for his October offering, but it never materialized. But not to worry, Jim slapped together this little sketch so there isn't a gap during our Halloween celebration...the topic does often cross his mind...usually when he's been drinking! Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casper_the_Friendly_Ghost https://casper.fandom.com/wiki/Casper_the_Friendly_Ghost https://www.cbr.com/how-did-casper-become-a-friendly-ghost/ https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/609560/how-did-casper-the-friendly-ghost-die

Here's your first Halloween treat...a delectable tale of a ghost bedeviling an Ohio family in the early 20th Century; an account not unlike its narrator: short and sweet Sources: The Daily Times (New Philadelphia, OH), “Paging Conan Doyle! Spirits! B-r-r!” pages 1 & 5, May 23, 1922 The Daily Times(New Philadelphia, OH), “Ghost Patient when Sand Tablet is Destroyed – Does Work Over,” page 1, May 24, 1922 The Daily Times(New Philadelphia, OH), “Ghost is Left Alone at Night,” page 1, May 26, 1922 The Daily Times(New Philadelphia, OH), “New Ghost Theory is Advanced – Foster Daughter Believed Responsible,” page 1, May 30, 1922 The Lima Republican-Gazette (Lima, Ohio), “Tenants of Ohio Farm Flee from Ghostly Visitor,” page 1, May 30, 1922 The Dayton Evening Herald (Dayton, Ohio), “Federal research Expert to Begin Hunt for Hummel’s Valley Ghost,” page 2, May 31, 1922 The Daily Times (New Philadelphia, Ohio), “Mysterious Ghost Laid – Plotner to Return to Farm,” page 1, June 1, 1922 https://noel-poirier.com/2021/08/31/the-ghost-of-hummel-valley-a-tuscarawas-haunting/

It's October once again, and that means Halloween is fast approaching! The boys' first offering of the month is one appropriate to the season: the Ammons Possessions. While not as famous as the "Exorcist" case, this is the tale of yet another demonic possession within the United States -- taking place within the 21st Century. This episode does cause one to raise the question: why does Jim always pick stories in which people or places have hard to pronounce names? Sources: https://weatherspark.com/h/m/149805/2011/12/Historical-Weather-in-December-2011-at-Gary-Chicago-International-Airport-Indiana-United-States The Indianapolis Star (Indianapolis, Indiana), “The Exorcisms of Latoya Ammons,” by Marisa Kwiatkowski, pages A1, A17, & A18, January 26, 2014 The Indianapolis Star (Indianapolis, Indiana), “Alleged Demon Home Sells for $35,000,” by Marisa Kwiatkowski, pages A1 & A8, January 30, 2014 Journal and Courier (Lafayette, Indiana), “Priest Signs Film Deals after Well-Publicized Exorcisms,” by Marisa Kwiatkowski, page C8, February 6, 2014 Journal and Courier (Lafayette, Indiana), “Revisiting an Exorcism Story,” by Marisa Kwiatkowski, page A8, November 1, 2014 The Indianapolis Star (Indianapolis, Indiana), “Exorcism Story Haunts Me,” by Marisa Kwiatkowski, page A3 & A5, November 1, 2014

John and Jim discuss a collection of smaller topics that normally wouldn't have enough to fill out an entire half-hour podcast.

Just who -- or what -- are those humanoid figures of fulign hue perched atop ridges, silently watching All, but saying nothing? In this episode, Jim once again struts his stuff solo as he attempts to answer this question Sources: https://worldhistory.us/ancient-history/who-were-the-watchers.php https://www.livescience.com/dark-watchers-california-optical-illusion.html https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2018/07/the-mysterious-dark-watchers-of-california/ https://www.ancientpages.com/2014/11/13/mysterious-dark-watchers-one-of-americas-greatest-ancient-riddles/ http://www.bookofenoch.org/ENOCH-McCracken2020.pdf https://dl.icdst.org/pdfs/files1/79210c539e32f6c4f106fab6fff3f0c4.pdf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Jubilees

This episode sees the return of Super Fanboy Allen and was, in fact, inspired by his call the Cincinnati Outhouse Disaster to Jim's attention The title speaks for itself Link to see Live Oak Gardens get sucked into Lake Peigneur: https://youtu.be/x9OJ2debJ5o Sources: London Beer Flood https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofBritain/The-London-Beer-Flood-of-1814/ https://historycollection.com/death-beer-london-beer-flood-claimed-eight-lives-batted-away-act-god/ Clement Vallandigham http://ohiohistorycentral.org/w/Clement_Vallandigham https://allthatsinteresting.com/clement-vallandigham Cincinnati Shithouse Disaster https://beltmag.com/cincinnati-privy-disaster-1904/#:~:text=The%20Cincinnati%20Privy%20Disaster%20of%201904%20By%20Richard,them%20a%20few%20minutes%20of%20frolic%20and%20exercise https://parks2015.wordpress.com/2014/11/05/the-cincinnati-privy-disaster-of-1904/ http://www.gendisasters.com/ohio/17040/pleasant-ridge-oh-outhouse-floor-collapses-sep-1904 https://www.notesfromthefrontier.com/post/outhouses The Cincinnati Post (Cincinnati, Ohio), Sep 23, 1904, page 1 Great Molasses Flood https://www.history.com/news/the-great-molasses-flood-of-1919 https://www.history.com/news/great-molasses-flood-science https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Molasses_Flood https://www.britannica.com/topic/Great-Molasses-Flood https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/great-boston-molasses-flood-1919-killed-21-after-2-million-n958326 https://www.npr.org/2019/01/15/685154620/a-deadly-tsunami-of-molasses-in-bostons-north-end https://listverse.com/2007/07/11/top-10-bizarre-disasters/?msclkid=5caa5256abab11ec927532cf1c46405e Lake Peigneur https://strangesounds.org/2019/12/lake-peigneur-disaster-video-louisiana.html?msclkid=fd5227abac7311ecb6571f698abf7438 https://moneyweek.com/360397/20-november-1980-the-lake-peigneur-disaster?msclkid=fd53db56ac7311ecaa964a38d159fd39 https://blog.thinkreliability.com/case-study-lake-peigneur?msclkid=fd5536f3ac7311ecbca8f69990424e9f When does Tragedy become Comedy http://leeds-faculty.colorado.edu/mcgrawp/pdf/mcgraw.warren.williams.leonard.2012.pdf When do Tragedies Become Funny? | Psychology Today https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna49075433?msclkid=8d195f9aabaf11ecba7e706cdc3d626b https://youtu.be/x9OJ2debJ5o

When he was a child, this story -- first encountered in his brother's copy of Strange but True: 22 Amazing Stories by Donald J. Sobol -- freaked Jim out...now he's passing it on to you, hoping to maybe exorcise his own hagriddenness...that is a word, right? If it ain't, it outta be!

In this episode, the boys discussed the Amish and Hillbilly flavors of magic practiced in the United States. Who knew the Amish -- those staid and stalwart pillars of community and religion -- practiced magic? Jim did, that's who! Oh, and Jim comes to realize that his own father just might have been a practitioner of Appalachian Granny Magic. Sources: https://amishamerica.com/history/?msclkid=3d156befb1ca11eca7fea0b48142de2f https://www.discoverlancaster.com/amish/history-beliefs/?msclkid=29feca3fb1cc11ecb1c336434ac1f814 https://ohiosamishcountry.com/articles/what-is-the-amish-ordnung?msclkid=dd1a9a53b1cd11ecac2104288004ee8d https://gentsoflancaster.com/2021/02/17/what-is-amish-magic/?msclkid=515fb259b1d211ec97da60317dd2f0bc https://www.readingeagle.com/2018/07/23/a-look-back-in-history-early-folk-religion-of-the-pa-dutch/\ Crossroads of Conjure: The Roots and Practices of Granny Magic, Hoodoo, Brujería, and Curanderismo by Katrina Rasbold, 2019, Llewellyn Publications The Evening Sun (Hanover, Pennsylvania), November 30, 1928, pages 1 & 4 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rehmeyer%27s_Hollow?msclkid=53dd70a6b5f311ecb32bb50c20ffd603 https://the-line-up.com/ringtown-valley-hex-murder https://www.fox43.com/article/news/local/contests/horror-behind-the-walls-pa-family-finds-disturbing-discovery-in-house/521-77db2f54-dd76-428a-b96e-798c8ebba95a

Jobs...who described them better, Dolly Parton with "Workin' 9 to 5, what a way to make a livin'" or Huey Lewis with "I'm takin' what they're givin' 'cause I'm workin' for a livin'"? Doesn't really matter all that much, because both apply This time Jim uncovers some jobs available in the past that no one would care to work at today Sources: https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/career/the-worst-jobs-in-history/ss-AASMLq0?msclkid=f9204e6aa6cb11ecbd0b1a075f39f041 https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/503221/10-worst-jobs-victorian-era https://www.npr.org/2015/03/12/392332431/dirty-old-london-a-history-of-the-victorians-infamous-filth https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofBritain/Groom-of-the-Stool/ https://allthatsinteresting.com/awful-jobs https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/76994/6-practical-ways-romans-used-human-urine-and-feces-daily-life https://www.oddee.com/8-of-historys-weirdest-jobs-59169/ https://www.thevintagenews.com/2018/08/31/dog-feces/?edg-c=1 https://www.tudorsociety.com/groom-stool-sarah-bryson/ https://allthatsinteresting.com/gong-farmer?msclkid=131e8525a6cb11ec956cde30f7dda88e https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/bloodletting-why-doctors-used-to-bleed-their-patients-for-health?msclkid=2c60924da6f411ecb3cb4371f844549f https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofBritain/Match-Girls-Strike/?msclkid=9028e09ea6fa11eca956966ecb88d3f7 https://www.atomicheritage.org/history/radium-girls?msclkid=76aeae62a6fe11ecb84113fff0e21bb9

Even though it's nowhere near the night before Christmas, the boys spring into action, tear open the shutters, and throw up the sash in an effort to look into Window Areas. Late in the episode, I do believe that those in the recording session could actually smell Jim's pea-brain frying as he attempted to perform aeronautical speed and distance calculations. So, heave a leg over the sill, but mind your muddy boots on the curtains as you do so, and journey with us through the mysterious portals known as Window Areas. Strange Creatures from Time and Space by John Keel https://spiritseekersblog.org/2010/10/04/14-theories-on-monsters/ https://www.gaia.com/article/ufos-bigfoot-evidence-interdimensional-connection https://www.enterprisenews.com/story/news/2020/10/11/what-is-bridgewater-triangle-anyway-look-at-dark-and-paranormal-tales-of-this-window-area-of-unexpla/114516298/ https://www.ufoinsight.com/aliens/encounters/tujunga-canyon-abduction) https://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2012-10-28-show/ http://www.dark-stories.com/eng/ufo_zones.htm https://www.greatest-unsolved-mysteries.com/bermuda-triangle-1.html https://www.ufoinsight.com/supernatural/time/bermuda-triangle-ufos-atlantis http://thebeatlesneverbrokeup.com/ The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Pittsburgh, PA, August 2, 1966, pg 04 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinwalker_Ranch https://www.space.com/32728-parallel-universes.html https://sciencex.com/news/2022-01-dialog-parallel-universe.html https://www.npr.org/2011/01/24/132932268/a-physicist-explains-why-parallel-universes-may-exist https://space.mit.edu/home/tegmark/multiverse.pdf https://science.howstuffworks.com/science-vs-myth/everyday-myths/parallel-universe.htm https://nypost.com/2020/05/19/nasa-finds-evidence-of-parallel-universe-where-time-runs-backward-report/

Once again, John blows past all reasonable time limits, and goes into way too much detail about topics he enjoys. In this instance, THE KNIGHTS TEMPLAR! Can the guys separate fact from fiction around this mysterious medieval organization? Is this really the source of the Friday the 13th lore? Listen and find out!

This time around, Pardner, Jim gets his jaw a-wobblin' as the boys hold a palaver concerning sightin's of dinosaurs - pspecifically pterosaurs -- in the Old West. Then dad-blamed if'n he don't go an' throw in some more recent items, too! Sources: https://ncse.ngo/young-earth-creationism https://www.livepterosaur.com/LP_Blog/archives/8561 The Los Angeles Times (Los Angeles, California), August 1, 1886, page 03 The Daily Independent (Santa Barbara California), September 7, 1886, page 01 The Tombstone Weekly Epitaph (Tombstone Arizona), April 26, 1890, page 3 The Newhall Signal (Newhall, California), July 10, 1947, page 1 Arlington Heights Herald (Arlington Heights, Illinois), July 29, 1977, page 3 The Lowell Sun (Lowell, Massachusetts), July 31, 1977, page 6 The Herald-Sun (Durham, North Carolina), January 12, 2018, page A3 SOUND F/X: Thanks to BLASTWAVEFX.COM for the following: Shotgun single shot; M16 machine gun; M-P9 single shot Thanks to ZAPSPLAT.COM for the following: people shouting awww with disappointment; crashing metal, plastic, & wood; fart Thanks to FREESOUND.ORG for the following: hawk shriek Thanks to FREESOUNDEFFECT.NET for the following: boing

John and Jim discuss the phenomenon known as Possession, discuss its various flavors, and have deep thoughts about what it implies.

All right, sorry, but due to dire need -- i.e., the regularly schedule episode wasn't posted -- this installment is being submitted before it had fully incubated... Sources: El Paso Times, El Paso, TX, February 28, 1971, “Widely-Separated Oklahoma Areas Puzzled by Prints”, page 8A The Lawton Constitution and Morning Press, Lawton, OK, February 28, 1971, “Oklahoma has an ‘Abominable’”, page 14A The Kansas City Times, Kansas City, MO, March 1, 1971, “Chickenman Baffles Experts”, page 1 The Sapulpa Daily Herald, Sapulpa, OK, March 3, 1971, “‘Wolfman’ Ain’t So”, pages 1 & 6 The Daily Oklahoman, Oklahoma City, OK, March 3, 1971, “Lawton Alert for ‘Wolfman’”, page 21 \ The Bonham Daily Favorite, Bonham, TX, March 4, 1971, “‘Wolfman’ is just Prankster”, page 7 The Springfield Leader and Press, Springfield, MO, March 10, 1971, “Springdale, Ark., Sights 3 Abominable Chicken Men”, page 34 The Baytown Sun, Baytown, TX, March 11, 1971, “Abominable Chicken Man Arouses Interest”, page 1 The Montana Standard, Butte, MT, March 11, 1971, “‘Leapin’ Lizards’ It’s a Doggone ‘Chicken Man,’” page 24 Great Bend Tribune, Great Bend, KS, March 10, 1971, “‘Abominable Chicken Man’ has Oklahomans in a Dither”, page 21 The Fort Worth Star, Fort Worth, TX, March 13, 1971, “Could the Thang have Offsprang,” page 1 The Corpus Christi Caller Times, Corpus Christi, TX, March 16, 1971, “The Milkman,” page 1 Creatures of the Outer Edge by Jerome Clark and Loren Coleman, pages 85 – 88 Vian Tenkiller News, Vian, OK, July 1, 2020, “Is the ‘Oklahoma Octopus’ Really in Lake Tenkiller,” Remer, Amie, page a3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Thunderbird https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oologah_Lake https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenkiller_Ferry_Lake https://octolab.tv/is-there-any-freshwater-octopus

Ed Gein...grave robber, tanner, taxidermist...and possible cannibal; what more can be said about him? Well, listen to this episode and find out! SOURCES: The Journal Times, Racine, WI, page 01, Nov. 17, 1957 The La Crosse Tribune, La Crosse, WI, page 01, Nov. 17, 1957 Green Bay Press Gazette, Green Bay, WI, page 01 & 02, Nov. 18, 1957 Twin City News Record, Neenah, WI, page 01 & 08, Nov. 18, 1957 Stevens Point Daily Journal, Stevens Point, WI, page 01 & 11, Nov. 18, 1957 The CapitaI Times Madison, WI, page 11, Nov. 04, 1957 The Oshkosh Northwestern, Oshkosh, WI, page 01, Nov. 18, 1957 The Kenosha News, Kenosha, WI, page 01, Nov. 19, 1957 Stevens Point Daily Journal, Stevens Point, WI, page 01 & 10, Nov. 19, 1957 The Eau Claire Leader, Eau Claire, WI, page 01, Nov. 19, 1957 The Wisconsin State Journal, Madison, WI, page 01 & 02, Nov. 19, 1957 The Marshfield News-Herald, Marshfield, WI, page 12, Nov. 22, 1957 The Wisconsin State Journal, Madison, WI, page 18, Nov. 24, 1957 The Capital Times, Madison, Wisconsin, page 3, Nov. 16, 1962 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Gein

Continuing the idea of the inspirations for horror movies, Jim tucks into the legend of Scotland's Sawney Bean...he didn't love labor, but he did love people...when they were served up on a plate! Sources: https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofScotland/Sawney-Bean-Scotlands-most-famous-cannibal/ https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-21506077\ https://www.historyextra.com/period/medieval/did-the-scottish-mass-murdering-cannibal-sawney-bean-actually-exist/ https://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/sawney-bean-and-his-family-gruesome-scottish-cannibals-549079 https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/scotland-now/sawney-bean-cannibal-scots-clan-22807148 https://allthatsinteresting.com/sawney-bean\ https://www.scotclans.com/scotland/scottish-myths/heroes-villain/sawney-bean/ https://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/usbiography/b/alexanderbean.html https://www.spookyisles.com/scottish-serial-killers-who-shocked-the-world/ https://www.spookyisles.com/british-cannibals/ https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/edinburgh-earls-son-who-ate-20896328