The Out of the Cave Podcast

Lisa describes an online incident, “Eyebrow Gate”, where a video mocking her eyebrows went viral, leading to a flood of negative comments and harassment across various platforms, including Instagram, email, and even her personal cell phone. Topics Include: Online Harassment Resilience Self-Compassion and Support Personal Growth and Healing [3:00] Lisa discusses what happened in the events that led to Eyebrow Gate and her experience of it. [14:10] Lisa then discusses what she did, how she moved through the experience of being harassed online, and her coping strategies. Lisa talks about feeling her feelings, not stopping herself from experiencing them. She talks about navigating her feelings with embarrassment and finally accepting them through all of this. She discusses the support system she had in her friends and the self-compassion she showed herself during this time. [33:05] Lisa shares her takeaways and reflections from going through the whole experience. Lisa talks about the things people said that were meant to be supportive but only made her feel not seen and the things she wished they had said instead. She discusses her experience dealing with her inner child in a compassionate way and how we should always show ourselves kindness and compassion. [48:45] Lisa concludes with sharing the next steps for herself now that she is on the other side of the harassment. She explains how she is proceeding as the person she wishes to be and is operating under that persona. Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa’s Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube

Lisa interviews Erin, OOTC group coaching alum, an animal loving veterinarian who, through the group coaching program, has achieved significant personal growth and changes in a matter of months, which years of therapy couldn’t achieve. She also has learned to accept herself and has a community of acceptance without judgment allowing her to finally have a feeling of safety. Topics Include: [3:00] Erin discusses the early stages of life, from ages 0-5 and 5-10, and the lack of significant issues with food or body image. However, from ages 5-10, she started receiving messages about being too big and weighing too much, primarily after pediatrician appointments, leading to a restricted diet by her mother [11:00] Erin shares her decision to lose weight before starting high school by counting calories and increasing physical activity and how this weight loss led to a boost in self-esteem and more attention from her peers [14:00] Erin goes on to discuss how the loss of her first relationship led to feeling of inadequacy and how comments about her body affected her self-image and ultimately the beginning of her experience with bulimia [37:00] Erin and Lisa discuss Erin’s belief that being thinner would lead to happiness and fulfillment persisted until finally admitting to her husband that she had a problem and made the commitment to seek therapy and work on recovery [40:11] Erin recounts finding the OOTC podcast and how Lisa’s approach deeply resonated with her and made her feel understood and less alone; after two years of listening to the podcast and following Lisa on social media, Erin decided to join the group coaching program [46:00] Erin and Lisa discuss the importance of recognizing one’s worth and deservingness of healing, love, safety, and stability in life, body, and relationship with food [50:03] Erin closes out with her gratitude that through the group coaching program has found a community of accepting and non-judgmental people where she can be vulnerable *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa’s Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube

Join Lisa as she talks to Out of the Cave group coaching alum, Muna. Topics include: Muna's journey from childhood to adolescence, exploring her evolving relationship with food, body image, cultural influences, and the change in family dynamics. The conversation continues as Muna describes her experiences with disordered eating, specifically bingeing, purging, and later developing a restrictive relationship with food, intertwined with addictive marijuana use. Muna describes how a mountain biking accident led to a period of grief and loss of identity, triggering binge eating as a coping mechanism. This behavior persisted into early adulthood, alongside struggles with depression and insomnia. Muna talks about finding relief from insomnia through marijuana use, which then evolved into an addictive coping mechanism. Muna describes receiving praise for weight loss, leading to a restrictive relationship with food out of fear of losing attention gained from weight loss. Muna recalls how this cycle persisted for decades, and how even though she was maintaining a successful outward appearance, she was struggling internally with disordered eating and addiction. Muna discusses how she experienced addiction transfer and cross addiction, moving from one addictive behavior to another without addressing the underlying issues. Lisa and Muna continue the discussion with Muna’s relapse during the pandemic and her new road to recovery. Muna discusses the significance of grief work in her personal growth and recovery and how it is an essential aspect of healing. Muna also shares free recovery resources. Lisa and Muna wrap up the conversation with a discussion of the importance of community and how it makes a difference in recovery and how the OOTC group coaching program helped bring that to her. Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts. Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form. Register for Group Coaching! Email Lisa at lisa@lisaschlosberg.com. Become a member of the Out of the Cave Online Community – Includes Two Live Coaching Calls Monthly Out of the Cave Merch for 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Socials: Instagram Facebook YouTube

Join Lisa as she continues her conversation with Julie Markowitz, a licensed social worker and psychotherapist who specializes in treating chronic pain, as they continue to discuss Julie’s healing journey to her true self. Topics include: [02:10] trigger warnings and their place in weight loss and chronic pain relationships, the difference between taking care of yourself and avoidance, [09:17] Lisa and Julie talk about Julie’s recovery from disordered eating and how intuitive eating played a part in it, [12:38] they talk about wavering through recovery and feeling safe through perceived threats, [16:25] Lisa and Julie go deeper into how Julie learned about intuitive eating, and how healing from disordered eating isn’t just about the food but healing the whole person, [19:40] Julie explains more about what weight science is, weight set point, why diets don’t work, and the Minnesota Starvation Study, how Julie couldn’t control her weight the way she thought she could, and how the body needed to gain weight until it felt safe enough to regulate, [25:35] Julie and Lisa discuss how doctors fail to correlate the relationship between their disordered eating and their loss of menstruation, how the return of that was a sign of health , [29:36] Julie and Lisa further explore the recovery process and learning how to eat again, their recovery from disordered eating, the feelings around that, and the importance of finding the right supports to get through the process, [37:00] Julie discusses navigating recovery through the rough times, intentional weight loss, and the feelings around people commenting on her body, [54:00] Julie and Lisa discuss the pivotal moment of finding movement that feels good the body, how yoga helped improve their relationships with their bodies, and explore using exercise not for weight loss but as a way for your body to feel good, [1:02:00] Julie closes out with emphasizing that the recovery process cannot be rushed and recovery does not look the same for everyone. Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts. Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form. Register for Group Coaching! Email Lisa at lisa@lisaschlosberg.com. Become a member of the Out of the Cave Online Community – Includes Two Live Coaching Calls Monthly Out of the Cave Merch for 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube

Join Lisa as she sits with Julie Markowitz, a licensed social worker and psychotherapist who specializes in treating chronic pain, as they discuss Julie’s healing journey to her true self. Topics include: [03:10] Julie discusses her personal journey through anxiety, disordered eating, chronic pain, and depression, [11:10] Lisa and Julie talk about the overlap between chronic pain and disordered eating, [15:49] Julie defines and discusses Complex PTSD, [21:27] Lisa and Julie talk about falling through the cracks medically and her eating disorder and the rewards of looking thin, [27:00] Julie talks about the isolation and shame of having an eating disorder and the fear of recovering, [34:27] Julie and Lisa discuss choosing recovery, [45:25] Julie talks about the vulnerability in recovery and opening yourself up to relationships with other people, and [1:02:00] Julie closes out with how to begin on the path to authenticity. Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts. Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form. Register for Group Coaching! Email Lisa at lisa@lisaschlosberg.com. Become a member of the Out of the Cave Online Community – Includes Two Live Coaching Calls Monthly Out of the Cave Merch for 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube

Lisa sits down with Dr. David Wiss to talk about using nutrition as a healing modality in recovery from addiction and how he invites nuance in as he works with clients who struggle with disordered eating from a mind-body approach. Topics Include: Neurochemistry and hedonic (rewards based) eating Ultra-Processed Food Addiction Qualitative approach to nutrition [5 types of] Restriction vs Dietary Restraint [11:40] Dr. Wiss speaks to the overlap between food addiction and eating disorders, and the difficulty of having open conversations about the topic in the current climate of binary thinking [23:00] Dr. Wiss talks about accessing the “Wise Mind,” not thinking in extremes, and addressing black and white thinking [34:00] Dr. Wiss shares how and why he works with clients to deconstruct old approaches and take the math out of nutrition and how one behavior can be totally functional for one person and disordered for another [47:00] Dr. Wiss explains what it means to be food positive and how he uses that mindset when working with clients [53:00] Dr. Wiss how he has made working with him accessible through his app Wise Mind Nutrition *The views and beliefs of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. Connect with Dr. Wiss Instagram | Wise Mind Nutrition App | Nutrition in Recovery Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Become a Member of the Out of the Cave Online Community - Includes Two Live Coaching Calls Monthly Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube

In part 4 of the conversation around intentional weight loss, Lisa shares vulnerably about the nonlinear journey she is on personally. Topics Include: The balance between being intuitive and planning when it comes to food and eating Alcohol and weight loss Taking a break from the priority of weight loss PMS and body image Seeking external validation/safety while losing weight through other people and the scale Relapse [4:10] Lisa shares her personal dos and don’ts when it comes to intentionally losing weight [40:00] Lisa talks about what is has been like for her practically and real life on her nonlinear journey of weight loss, including a relapse where she began to use food and other behaviors to cope with her emotions again [55:00] “Getting back on the wagon,” the Out of the Cave way aka “The Order of Operations,” of Intentional Weight Loss [1:07] Ancestral and generational trauma Apply for Group Coaching! - Next Cohort Begins January 2024 Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Become a Member of the Out of the Cave Online Community - Includes Two Live Coaching Calls Monthly Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa’s Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube

Lisa sits down to share with you what has been dubbed the (second) most important episode of the Out of the Cave Podcast ever. Topics Include: Feeling shamed for wanting to lose weight Connection to your body as it exists presently Creating a calorie deficit and your brain feeling safe How to set realistic expectations around weight loss [5:00] Lisa shares the definition of freedom and how freedom or a lack of feeling of freedom affects weight loss [9:00] Moving through the discomfort in not being where you used to be [18:00] The impact of saying, “I have to…” and the power of language on a weight loss journey [33:00] The ease of gaining weight vs the ease of losing weight and having realistic expectations around weight loss [48:30] Checking your mindset around saying, “I am on a weight loss journey,” and whether that feels empowering or disempowering [52:00] Honoring your body and not eating like a robot [57:00] Lisa shares an experience she had while personal training and studying integrative nutrition Apply for Group Coaching! - Next Cohort Begins January 2024 Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Become a Member of the Out of the Cave Online Community - Includes Two Live Coaching Calls Monthly Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa’s Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube

Lisa sits down with Sara Baio, mom of three and former Special Education turned mindfulness instructor to talk about the life-saving power of mindfulness. Topics Include: Parenting a child with disabilities Mindfulness deeply defined Practicing mindfulness in a trauma-informed way Mindful Self-Compassion The second arrow [6:00] Sara talks about her shame and struggle about parenting her first son with ADHD, when she felt so competent as a Special Education teacher, and how mindfulness changed everything for both her and her toddler [17:00] Sara shares about some of the walls she ran into when she first introduced mindfulness and how she switched course [26:00] Sara explains how societal expectations and hustle culture affected her body and nervous system and explains mindfulness based stress reduction, a program designed by Jon Kabat-Zin and Lisa relates the work to body image [50:00] Sara busts mindfulness myths and encourages people to find a mindfulness practice that works, because there are so many Connect with Sara YouTube | Website Resources: Sitting Still Like Frog Mindful Schools Mindfulness Based Stress Reduction Save $500 when you register for Group Coaching the Month of November! - The next cohort of group coaching beings January 2024 Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Become a Member of the Out of the Cave Online Community - Includes Two Live Coaching Calls Monthly Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube

Lisa sits down with Mordechai who has maintained an over 100 pound weight loss through the Gabriel Method, to talk about life after initial weight loss success. Topics Include: Being a “success” story The Gabriel Method Mindful emotional eating Dealing with cravings [3:30] Mordechai talks about going on stage to represent a weight loss success story only to get off stage and eat pastries [8:00] Mordechai shares what his relationship to food, eating, and body image was like before his weight loss and what was different when he found The Gabriel Method and how he handles emotional eating today [16:00] Mordechai tells us how he learned to feel feelings and shares strategies to move through emotion [29:00] Mordechai talks about the two different ball games that weight loss vs maintenance [38:00] Mordechai explains how the way he maintains his weight loss is different than being on a diet, restricting, or participating in diet culture Feeling Full Podcast *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Become a Member of the Out of the Cave Online Community - Includes Two Live Coaching Calls Monthly Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa’s Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube

In this solo episode, Lisa talks about her approach to her current intentional weight loss on both the emotional and physical dimension. Topics Include: Acceptance on a somatic level Embodying a sense of safety in your current body Emotional sobriety Withdrawal [6:00] Lisa discusses her belief system around weight loss [17:00] Lisa talks addressing emotional issues with emotional solutions and physical issues with physical solutions [30:00] Lisa gives suggestions of things to implement into your self-care routine before attempting intentional weight loss, and talks about not bringing certain foods in the house, and practicing emotional sobriety [59:00] Lisa reveals what did to do to intentionally lose weight on the physical dimension [1:20:00] Lisa explains practicing high involvement, low attachment around weight loss Apply for Group Coaching! - Next Cohort Begins September 12, 2023 Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Become a Member of the Out of the Cave Online Community - Includes Two Live Coaching Calls Monthly Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa’s Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube

In this solo episode, Lisa talks about her recent weight gain and how she is meeting herself on the mental and emotional dimension before addressing weight loss on the physical level. Topics Include: Lisa’s opinion on trigger warnings + the research Weight gain Internal vs External motivation for weight loss The scale Mind-Body approach to weight loss [3:30] Lisa delivers an announcement about changes to the Out of the Cave Podcast as we approach 100th episode [6:30] Lisa explains why she does not use trigger warnings (Links to Research Cited: https://empathymatters.org/now/gabor-mate-edwin-rutsch/ https://icfyb.com/four-ways-to-take-control-of-your-psychological-triggers/ ) [27:00] Lisa talks about her weight gain [47:30] Lisa discusses the difference between physically feeling uncomfortable after weight gain and feeling mentally and emotionally uncomfortable after weight gain [53:00] Lisa shares her own experience with the scale [1:00:00] Lisa talks about her own fear around weight gain and walking the walk, and becoming “a product of her product” [1:12:00] Lisa discusses the mental space her weight gain took up in her brain and how she met herself and addressing thoughts of failure Apply for Group Coaching! - Next Cohort Begins September 12, 2023 Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Become a Member of the Out of the Cave Online Community - Includes Two Live Coaching Calls Monthly Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa’s Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube

Lisa sits down for part two of her conversation with Alison Midollo, HHC, RYT, to talk about how reparenting, feeling feelings, and allowing all parts of herself transformed her relationship to food and eating. Topics Include: Eliminating food groups in the name of health Precontemplation phase of making change Conscious input shaping your experience Reparenting around food Discomfort vs Danger Metaphysical and spiritual healing [5:00] Alison recounts her own early memories around food and eating from birth and reflects on the effect of puberty on that relationship and her body image [11:00] Alison embraces medical advice and removes gluten totally from her diet as a young teen and continues to eliminate other types of food from her diet over the years [23:00] After living with limitations around what she can and cannot eat for a decade and a half, Alison shares what happened to make her shift her beliefs and practices around food [32:00] Alison tells the story of deciding to have a cheeseburger after 5 years of being meat free and the meaning she made of the experience and transpired after [56:00] Alison talks about the mental work, reparenting, and rewiring she had to do while reintegrating food groups into her diet, with the understanding that it was not about the food and Lisa relates this practice to those that are healing around overeating, undereating, restriction, mindless eating, picky eating, etc [1:09:00] Alison shares the influence her relationship with Lisa and Out of the Cave has had on her healing and journey of reparenting herself [1:18:00] Alison teaches about the root chakra and the metaphysical level on which we heal and shares where she is with food and eating today *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. Connect with Alison www.alisonmidolloyoga.com | Instagram Apply for Group Coaching! - Next Cohort Begins September 2023 Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Become a Member of the Out of the Cave Online Community - Includes Two Live Coaching Calls Monthly Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa’s Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube

Lisa sits down with her colleague and bestie, Alison Midollo, HHC, RYT, to talk reparenting, feeling feelings, and allowing all parts of yourself. Topics Include: Avoiding big feelings Spiritual Bypassing Restraint and discipline from a place of love Unmuting the inner child [14:00] Alison talks about the internal shift that allows her to sit with and feel her darker parts and tell the truth about it and reflects on her past and describes the ways she would resist and avoid uncomfortable feelings [25:00] Lisa and Alison speak to the concept and Alison’s experience of spiritual bypassing [32:00] Alison reflects on her journey of leaning on social connection and relationships to avoid feelings of stress, to being an observer of that practice, to giving those feelings and emotions the opportunity to speak to her [55:00] Alison describes a visual where she in parenting her inner children and parts and how she interacts with parts when she does not have time and space to hear them out in the moment [1:15:00] Alison talks about practicing self-care throughout the day, while we carry out our responsibilities and how live in harmony with our emotional selves and spiritual selves *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. Connect with Alison www.alisonmidolloyoga.com | Instagram Apply for Group Coaching! - Next Cohort Begins September 2023 Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Become a Member of the Out of the Cave Online Community - Includes Two Live Coaching Calls Monthly Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa’s Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube

Lisa interviews Kasey, self-identified, normal girl from New York, and group coaching alum Kasey, about trying to find safety and validation in a body shape and size to moving to a truer embodiment of internal safety. Topics Include: Thin privilege Feeling superior Internal vs External Validation Body Dysmorphia [7:30] Kasey reflects on how “being small” was rewarded was just the norm that was strived from such a young age [15:00] Kasey and Lisa explore how Kasey felt most safe when she believed people were feeling jealous of her and moving through the shame that came with that realization [27:00] Kasey shares about her all or nothing relationship with diet and exercise and alcohol during her college years [31:00] Kasey gets shredded during Covid lockdown and would look in the mirror and only see what “wasn’t good enough” and finds Lisa while walking the line of disorder [43:00] Kasey joins group coaching and reconstructs what it means to be healthy and also feels seen and validated in a way she had not experienced before *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. Apply for Group Coaching! - Next Cohort Begins September 2023 Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Become a Member of the Out of the Cave Online Community - Includes Two Live Coaching Calls Monthly Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa’s Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube

Lisa sits down with 14-Week Group Coaching alum, pharmacist, and single mom by choice Erica, to talk about how trauma, grief, and loss, collided with early motherhood and the Covid19 pandemic. She shares how she unconsciously turned to food and experienced rapid weight gain coupled with shame and found Out of the Cave and was able to understand her experience and heal. Topics Include: 90s and early 2000s diet culture Picky eating Trauma, grief and loss and its impact on our relationship to food Operating in survival mode Releasing shame and self-blame Neurobiology [3:30] Erica looks back on her earliest memories around food and eating and the effect of being a Black ballet dancer and cheerleader on her body image [20:00] Erica remembers being a teen and wanting to be in a smaller body and grappling with fitting in as Black AP student and goes into life as a broke college student, experiencing high levels of stress and experiencing clinical depression [30:00] Erica shares when food, eating, and body image really became a top of mind issue for her as she walked a path toward parenthood through donor conception and attempting different diets with a toxic partner [36:00] Erica gives birth to twins boys as a single mom by choice right before the Covid19 pandemic and simultaneously her sister was battling an aggressive cancer and life as she knew it was pulled from under her and turns to food, and beats herself up for her lack of willpower [40:00] Erica finds Lisa and Out of the Cave and shares the freedom of letting go of the story that she is “A lazy piece of sh*t” and shares how the work has positively impacted her sons and the culture of food and eating *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. Apply for Group Coaching! - Next Cohort Begins September 2023 Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Become a Member of the Out of the Cave Online Community - Includes Two Live Coaching Calls Monthly Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa’s Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube

Lisa sits down with Elyse Schunkewitz, LCSW again. This time the roles are reversed and Elyse interviews Lisa about the personal, educational, and professional experiences that have shaped the Out of the Cave Group Coaching Program and discuss how Lisa serves her clients. Topics Include: The difference between Out of the Cave and eating disorder treatment The Binge Restrict Cycle Body Image Confidence vs Self-Esteem Systemic Oppression and Thin Privilege [2:30] Lisa explains how she developed the philosophy that her group coaching program is built upon and shares the influences that has brought her to where she is today, including her lived experience, education and relationships she has built throughout the years [14:00] Lisa shares what it means to work with her as a client inside the 14 week group coaching container [23:10] Lisa gives her thoughts on intuitive eating, anti-diet culture, and eating disorder treatment [42:00] Lisa dives deeper into what she means when she says, “I help people release the addiction of the illusion of control around their bodies.” [52:00] Elyse and Lisa discuss the dichotomy of confidence and self-esteem *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. Apply for Group Coaching! - Next Cohort Begins September 2023 Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Become a Member of the Out of the Cave Online Community - Includes Two Live Coaching Calls Monthly Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa’s Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube

Lisa sits down with group coaching alum and aftercare member, Jenny, to talk about how before we were able to identify “diet culture,” it was just the way we were raised and socialized and how she was able to see the light and ultimately come out of the cave. Topics: Puberty and body image 90s diet culture trends Emotional eating The “drug” of weight loss compliments Internal Family Systems [5:00] Jenny reflects on her early memories around food and eating, how the her mother talked about dieting and her own body and how puberty began to impact her relationship to eating and body image [22:00] Jenny talks about her early 20s and how she used the persona as the very smart, funny, fat friend as a protective factor as she struggled with her body image, all while her parents divorced, her mother battled addiction, and she now had a baby brother and was responsible for his safety, and looked to food for comfort [33:00] Jenny discusses the impact of being told she is pre-diabetic by a doctor and pursuing weight loss, and subsequent swings in her weight for the next ten years and what ultimately made her decide to step away from dieting and seek therapy [42:00] Jenny finds the Health at Every Size and Intuitive Eating movements and started exploring the emotional component of her own eating and ultimately collides with Lisa and Out of the Cave [1:02:00] Jenny shares her biggest takeaways from group coaching *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. SAVE $500 WHEN YOU REGISTER FOR Group Coaching DURING THE MONTH OF JULY! - Next Cohort Begins September 2023 Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Become a Member of the Out of the Cave Online Community - Includes Two Live Coaching Calls Monthly Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa’s Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube

Lisa sits down with Out of the Cave Coach, Alé Cardinalle, MSW to talk about how practicing baby led weaning with her son and feeding her family has given her own healing journey around food and eating an ultra boost. Topics Include: Reparenting ourselves around food and eating Baby Led Weaning The Division of Responsibility The healing power of love [3:00] Alé reflects on learning about the concept of reparenting in terms of food and eating for the first time and how that laid the foundation for her healing around food and eating [8:00] Alé shares about baby led weaning her son [17:00] Lisa explains Ellen Satter’s, Division of Responsibility [25:00] Alé talks about how her own relationship to food and eating has been impacted by watching her son interact with food and eating [1:00:00] Lisa and Alé discuss blocking out all the messages and “shoulds” around diet and landing in the middle of pendulum *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. FOLLOW Alé 😘😊Tiktok!! | Threads | Instagram Baby Led Weaning Resources The Baby Dietician | Solid Starts | 101 Before One Get on the Waitlist for Group Coaching! - Next Cohort Begins September 2023 Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Become a Member of the Out of the Cave Online Community - Includes Two Live Coaching Calls Monthly Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa’s Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube

Lisa sits down with Eleni Agresta, MS RDN, weight inclusive, registered dietician to talk about the field of nutrition, where it’s missing the mark, and how to find a practitioner that’s right for you. Topics Include: Childhood diet trauma The effect of restrictive dieting on the mind-body system Fatphobia Weight vs Health [4:00] Eleni talks about her personal story regarding food, eating, body image, and stress that led her to serving her clients in the way she does [15:00] Lisa and Eleni discuss the division of responsibility and advice for parents when it comes to feed, eating, and body topics in the [26:00] Eleni speaks to some of the issues in the nutrition field regarding its eurocentricity and how that has impacted how she has educated herself and how she interacts with her clients and why she no longer preaches intentional weight loss [38:00] Lisa and Eleni talk about the damage that dieting and rapid weight loss did on their own hunger and fullness cues and their own methods for eating when they’re hungry [50:00] Eleni and Lisa discuss where they believe the intuitive eating movement, and some of the coaches miss the mark and how they approach things a bit differently [57:00] Eleni speaks to how she approaches potential clients with the goal of intentional weight loss and discusses prioritizing health over weight *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. Connect with Eleni Instagram | Tiktok | Podcast Get on the Waitlist for Group Coaching! - Next Cohort Begins September 2023 Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Become a Member of the Out of the Cave Online Community - Includes Two Live Coaching Calls Monthly Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa’s Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube