Thinking outside the box with Gavin Rubinstein

In this episode, Gavin sits down in Dubai with Ben Bandari, one of the city’s most recognisable real estate figures and the driving force behind Million Dollar Listing Dubai. With over two decades in the market, Ben has witnessed and helped shape Dubai’s transformation from a desert outpost into one of the most dynamic real estate arenas in the world From delivering pizzas in Vancouver to closing half-a-billion-dollar deals, Ben’s journey is built on belief, relentless hustle and an obsession with being number one. He shares what it took to survive market crashes, rebuild after losing half his wealth, launch multiple businesses during COVID, and leverage global exposure to scale across brokerage, development and investment. Episode Breakdown 00:00 – 03:00 Introduction to Ben and his 23-year journey in Dubai real estate 03:00 – 06:00 Arriving in Dubai in the early 2000s — culture shock, no social media, pure hustle and building business through cold calling and hotel networking 06:00 – 08:00 Selling the dream of Dubai before it was built. Belief, conviction and backing a vision others doubted 08:00 – 10:00 Career mistakes, inconsistency, chasing sign-on bonuses and lessons from the GFC 10:00 – 14:00 Launching his own company during COVID, leveraging Million Dollar Listing exposure, and scaling to 70+ staff across multiple businesses 14:00 – 16:00 Dubai’s explosive growth, investor returns, and why Ben believes the market is still in its early innings 16:00 – 18:00 How Ben brought Million Dollar Listing to Dubai — knocking on doors, pitching developers and executing the biggest deal of his career 18:00 – 20:00 If starting again in 2025: mentorship, rentals, grassroots hustle and earning respect from the ground up 20:00 – 23:00 What separates great agents from average ones — empathy, discipline, competitiveness and playing the long game 23:00 – End Losing wealth, being told he was “washed up,” reigniting the fire to become number one again, and why Dubai remains the land of opportunity See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Gavin sits down with Canberra-based Josh Morrissey, founder of Hive Property, to unpack what it really takes to build an elite real estate business from the ground up, and sustain performance at scale. From starting Hive with no money in the bank, a newborn baby, and four staff working out of a concrete garage, to becoming the only independent agency to hold second market share across the ACT, Josh breaks down the mindset, discipline, and systems behind long-term success. This conversation dives deep into compounding time, building high-performance ecosystems, ruthless accountability, and the one percenters that separate good operators from truly elite ones, all while balancing family, health, and leadership at scale. Episode Breakdown 00:00 – 05:00 Introduction to Josh Morrissey and Hive Property; early parallels with Gavin’s journey; overview of Hive’s growth, positioning, and vision in the Canberra market. 05:00 – 10:00 Founding Hive from scratch, leaving the franchise model, starting with a newborn and no capital; the importance of clarity, vision, and committing before conditions are perfect. 10:00 – 15:00 Early-career struggles, burning the ships at 27, losing time due to lack of discipline, and the moment accountability became non-negotiable. 15:00 – 20:00 Compounding time through project marketing, delayed gratification, doing the work others avoid, and accelerating wealth creation through leverage. 20:00 – 25:00 Building momentum through high-end results while monetising volume stock; running parallel business models to scale faster and smarter. 25:00 – 30:00 Discipline, consistency, and accountability are the true differentiators; why most agents are consistent at being inconsistent. 30:00 – 35:00 Time chunking, personal KPIs, and managing energy; structuring days for performance without burnout. 35:00 – 40:00 The real cost of business ownership: leadership pressure, sacrifice, family strain, and the realities behind polished brands. 40:00 – 45:00 Running a real estate business like a professional sports team: culture, retention, standards, and why elite environments attract elite performers. 45:00 – 50:00 Results-based selling, market mastery, and adapting strategy to micro-markets; auctions versus private treaty and protecting vendor outcomes. 50:00 – End One percenters, brand consistency, belief, and playing the long game; why success compounds quietly before it becomes visible. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Gavin sits down with Brisbane’s Matt Lancashire to unpack what it takes to build an elite sales career, how to scale a business, and sustain performance over the long term. From starting broke and nine months without a sale to leading a multi-office operation and breaking Brisbane auction records, Matt unpacks the mindset, systems, and bold decisions that shaped his journey, and the personal frameworks he uses to balance family, health, and business at the highest level. Episode Breakdown 00:00 – 05:00 Introduction to Matt Lancashire; career overview; family life, Brisbane market momentum, and the growth of his multi-office business. 05:00 – 10:00 Business structure and partnerships; splitting operational and performance leadership; scaling with the right people and systems. 10:00 – 15:00 Early career struggles, running out of money, and lessons from financial pressure: building resilience and self-belief. 15:00 – 20:00 Learning from top performers, meeting high-performing agents, simplifying success into repeatable fundamentals. 20:00 – 25:00 The pivotal case study that changed everything: marketing conviction, bold risk-taking, and owning market visibility. 25:00 – 30:00 Creating competitive tension; trust with vendors; why marketing is an investment, not a cost. 30:00 – 35:00 Client selection criteria: saying no to the wrong business; focusing on fewer listings for higher performance and satisfaction. 35:00 – 40:00 Team consolidation, simplifying operations, and achieving record results through focus and clarity. 40:00 – 45:00 Balancing family, health, and business using Matt’s three-bucket framework; managing energy, burnout, and longevity. 45:00 – End Practical advice for agents today: brand presence, auctions, structured prospecting, hard work, and returning to process when momentum stalls. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this episode, Gavin welcomes real estate coach Josh Phegan for an in-depth conversation on achieving excellence and longevity in the industry. From his upbringing in regional Australia and formative years learning from his family’s real estate legacy, to building a global coaching practice, Josh shares lessons on adaptability, service, and the discipline required for lasting success. Learn how he teaches agents to master the fundamentals, navigate changing markets, and cultivate the mindset and habits that set the very best apart. Episode Breakdown 00:00 – 05:00 Introduction to Josh Phegan; early influences from family; learning real estate fundamentals from his father. 05:00 – 10:00 Transition from media and creative pursuits to joining the family business; the value of systemisation and process. 10:00 – 15:00 First steps into real estate training: finding opportunity, building a diverse client base, and early career lessons. 15:00 – 20:00 Expanding into new markets, coaching approaches, and helping clients through major transitions and crises. 20:00 – 25:00 Defining the role of a "practitioner" vs agent; foundational skills new agents must master; the importance of listing presentations. 25:00 – 30:00 Strategies for effective prospecting, leveraging internal business opportunities, and case studies. 30:00 – 35:00 The psychology of uncovering client motivations, language, and advanced selling techniques. 35:00 – 40:00 Consistency, competitive nature, and the routines and standards behind top performers. 40:00 – 45:00 Work-life balance, scheduling downtime for longevity, the importance of recurring goals and rigorous personal commandments. 45:00 – End Final reflections on legacy, energy management, and leaving a positive impact on agents and the industry. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this episode, Gavin sits down with Jordan Smith, Dubai’s most dynamic real estate broker. From humble beginnings in Preston to breaking records in Dubai’s luxury market, Jordan details the grit, mindset, and relentless value-add that fueled his rise. Episode Breakdown 00:00 – 05:00 Jordan’s roots in Preston, UK, early career in car and funeral sales, and discovering sales fundamentals. 05:00 – 10:00 The pivotal car deal that sparked his move to Dubai; first impressions, financial pressure, and the challenge of starting over. 10:00 – 15:00 Culture shock, combating loneliness, navigating the Dubai market, and learning through shadowing colleagues. 15:00 – 20:00 Cold calling breakthroughs, adapting pitch strategies, and landing the first big deal in Palm Jumeirah. 20:00 – 25:00 Changing mindsets after a key negotiation, validating sales ability, and transitioning to greater deals. 25:00 – 30:00 The grind: 14-hour days, no “work-life balance”, and building a deep client-focused work ethic. 30:00 – 35:00 Joining White & CO, mentorship from Cal, and the power of broker-focused, incentive-driven cultures. 35:00 – 40:00 Defining non-negotiables: value before commission, office culture, and the importance of never forgetting your roots. 40:00 – 45:00 Networking strategies, building authentic relationships, and mastering referrals in the Dubai property scene. 45:00 – 50:00 Smart income streams, double deals, client education on mortgages and renovations for lasting value. 50:00 – 57:00 Personal growth, overcoming burnout, the true drivers behind success, and final reflections on legacy and longevity. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this episode, Gavin sits down with Adrian Bo, one of the most respected names in Australian real estate. With a career spanning over three decades, Adrian shares how he went from stockbroking dreams to commercial leasing, then became a sales titan and now a sought-after coach and auctioneer. Adrian opens up about the lessons he learned from John McGrath, the power of discipline, and what it takes to stay relevant in a constantly evolving market. From building elite teams to surviving career adversity, this is a masterclass in adaptability, mindset, and longevity. Episode Breakdown 00:00 – 05:00 Adrian’s early career, from stockbroker ambition to falling into real estate. 05:00 – 10:00 Commercial leasing, key contacts, and getting poached by McGrath. 10:00 – 15:00 Switching to residential sales and dominating the Eastern Suburbs. 15:00 – 20:00 Sales meetings, tough love, and lessons from John McGrath. 20:00 – 25:00 From 4 to 100 sales a year, scaling with assistants and structure. 25:00 – 30:00 Why he left selling, embraced coaching, and the moment that changed his path. 30:00 – 35:00 Mindset, stoicism, and navigating career lows with grace. 35:00 – 39:18 The difference between lifestyle and growth agents, and what separates the top 20 percent. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Gavin sits down with Vivian Yap, One of Australia’s top female real estate agents, to unpack how she built a powerhouse career after two decades as a pharmacist. Vivian shares the mindset, routines, and lessons that fuel her success. She opens up about her transition into real estate, the support systems that keep her grounded, and what drives her now as a leader and mentor. This episode is full of practical insights for anyone aiming to lead with impact and longevity. Episode Breakdown 00:00 – 10:00 How pharmacy led to real estate, early lessons, and first listings. 10:00 – 15:00 Record-breaking sales and building momentum. 15:00 – 20:00 Discipline, family support, and long-term vision. 20:00 – 25:00 Vivian’s 5 tips for new agents, from energy to abundance. 25:00 – 30:00 Growing a team and leaving a legacy. 30:00 – 35:00 Daily routines, staying motivated, and balance. 35:00 – 41:00 Handling rejection and keeping perspective. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this episode, Gavin sits down with Marcus Chiminello, one of Australia's most respected names in real estate, known for dominating Melbourne’s luxury market and redefining what prestige selling looks like. Marcus opens up about his journey from apprentice carpenter to record-breaking agent, his decision to specialise in high-end properties, and the personal discipline it takes to stay at the top. They discuss everything from mentorship, routines, and database curation, to how Marcus balances a high-stakes career with family life and board-level leadership at Marshall White. This is a masterclass in elite performance, strategy, and staying grounded. Whether you're in real estate or business, Marcus shares playbook-level insights on how to build a brand with integrity, attract the right clients, and lead a fulfilling career. Episode Breakdown 00:00 – 05:00: From apprentice to agent – Marcus’ early career pivot and what drew him to real estate. 05:00 – 10:00: Learning the ropes – Working with top mentors, enduring tough lessons, and switching firms. 10:00 – 15:00: Back to PA – Why Marcus took a step back to learn a new market and how it paid off long-term. 15:00 – 20:00: Database strategy & brand positioning – The mindset shift from generalist to prestige specialist. 20:00 – 25:00: Building a high-performance team – From solo to scale: how Marcus built and structured his elite unit. 25:00 – 30:00: Board responsibilities & balance – Managing 350+ staff, family, and staying deal-focused. 30:00 – 35:00: Mental resilience – The voice in your head, burnout, and how Marcus stays in peak state. 35:00 – 37:00: Fitness, focus, and legacy – What drives Marcus now, and how he leads by example for his family. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Gavin sits down with Oliver Lavers and Zac Rabin from TRG, two of the most successful real estate agents in the Ray White network. Known for their high performance, consistency, and drive, these top operators open up about what it takes to succeed in a challenging property market. From personal routines and relentless discipline to vendor management and leadership, Zac and Oliver share hard-earned lessons and strategies that have kept them at the top of their game. They talk about mentorship, the importance of being in the trenches with your team, and how to reignite passion when the going gets tough. Whether you're in real estate or any performance-driven industry, this episode is a playbook on how to show up, stay consistent, and lead with values. Episode Breakdown 00:00 – 05:00: Introduction – Gavin sets the stage for a deep dive with Zac and Oliver on sales performance in today’s real estate climate. 05:00 – 10:00: The no-BS approach – Zac explains his honest method with vendors, managing energy, and choosing who to work with. 10:00 – 15:00: Oliver’s daily routine and the power of consistency – why he treats each day like he’s starting from scratch. 15:00 – 20:00: Discipline, drive, and the ‘off switch’ – the relentless mindset behind top performers. 20:00 – 25:00: Team leadership and mentorship – how Zac and Oliver have built teams that thrive. 25:00 – 27:23: Advice for new and struggling agents – back-to-basics strategies and how to reset when you’ve lost your spark. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Gavin sits down with Sunny Gill, a retail mogul who has helped shape the fashion landscape in Southeast Asia. As the second generation in his family’s retail empire, Sunny shares invaluable insights on business, resilience, and the lessons learned from his father, who famously brought Zara to Southeast Asia. From selling shoes in his father’s stores as a teenager to securing the rights for global brands like H&M, Sunny’s journey is a masterclass in hard work, persistence, and strategic vision. He opens up about navigating the pressures of a family business, overcoming entitlement, and the transformative power of discipline. Episode Breakdown: [00:00 - 05:00] Introduction to Sunny Gill – his background, family business legacy, and global retail influence. [05:00 - 10:00] From selling shoes as a teenager to securing global fashion brands – the early years and work ethic. [10:00 - 15:00] The role of discipline and resilience – how a simple gym bet transformed Sunny’s mindset and career. [15:00 - 20:00] The business of fashion – from Zara to H&M and beyond, securing the rights to major brands in Southeast Asia. [20:00 - 25:00] The art of deal-making – strategies for securing international brands and why relationships matter. [25:00 - 30:00] Expansion and future plans – Sunny’s vision for retail growth in Southeast Asia, including new brand acquisitions. [30:00 - 35:00] The power of relationships – how networking and persistence opened doors for massive deals. [35:00 - 40:00] Personal growth and family – lessons from his father, navigating entitlement, and building something bigger than himself. [40:00 - 43:32] Final thoughts – staying grounded, cutting out negativity, and the importance of consistency in business and life. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Nick and Jonathan join Gavin to share how they built Wingman, a company that’s transforming real estate operations with offshore admin solutions. Starting in property management, Jonathan grew his business from 60 to 3,000 properties, leveraging virtual assistants in the Philippines. Together, Nick and Jonathan now lead a team of 900 staff supporting 700 real estate agencies, streamlining operations to maximize productivity. They discuss the real estate industry's misconceptions about outsourcing, the power of offshore support, and how Wingman helps agencies scale. From overcoming skepticism to building trust with top-performing agents, they explain why delegation is the key to growth. Episode Breakdown: [0:00 - 5:00] The origin of Wingman – Jonathan’s journey from a 23-year-old property manager to leading a high-growth business through offshore admin support. [5:00 - 10:00] From 60 to 300 properties: How outsourcing admin tasks enabled rapid business growth. [10:00 - 15:00] The role of offshore teams in real estate – how Wingman helps agencies free up time for high-value work. [15:00 - 20:00] The common myths about outsourcing: Why it’s not just about cutting costs but driving business expansion. [20:00 - 25:00] Behind-the-scenes of Wingman’s operations – training, quality control, and ensuring offshore teams integrate seamlessly. [25:00 - 30:00] How Wingman’s support allows real estate professionals to focus on revenue-generating activities. [30:00 - 35:00] The biggest lessons from scaling a business – leadership, efficiency, and the power of delegation. [35:00 - 40:00] What’s next for Wingman: Future expansion, the Profit Summit event, and their vision for helping more agencies grow. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Maz joins Gavin to share insights from her career in entertainment and her transition into conference speaking. Having worked on The X Factor, Celebrity Apprentice, Big Brother UK & Australia, and many more, Maz now specializes in personal brand differentiation and behavior change. She discusses the importance of storytelling, reading an audience, and standing out in competitive industries. Maz explains how she helps people craft a memorable personal brand, shift audience behavior, and create a lasting impact. She shares real-world examples from her experience working with CEOs, real estate professionals, and lawyers, emphasizing the power of perception, branding, and differentiation. Episode Breakdown: [0:00 - 5:00] Maz’s unexpected career shift from TV production to public speaking – learning to pivot and find new opportunities. [5:00 - 10:00] How Maz transitioned from producing TV shows to helping professionals build strong personal brands. [10:00 - 15:00] The power of first impressions – why people judge you in seconds and how to make it work in your favor. [15:00 - 20:00] Memorable branding: The story of a lawyer who changed their pitch from "I’m a partner at a law firm" to "I keep CEOs out of jail". [20:00 - 25:00] Behavioral change in business – how Maz ensures her audience takes action, rather than just listening. [25:00 - 30:00] The importance of being different, not vanilla – why standing out is critical in real estate, sales, and leadership. [30:00 - 35:00] How Maz reads a room, works with industry leaders, and adapts her message for different audiences. [35:00 - 40:00] The power of storytelling, theatricality, and engagement in professional branding. [40:00 - 45:00] Why “Hope is not a strategy” in sales, real estate, and business – changing minds through behavior-based influence. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Gavin sits down with Jordan Navybox: Managing Director QLD, Cohen Handler. Jordan has been recognised as the highest-grossing buyer’s agent in QLD four times. He shares his journey into real estate and discusses the importance of product knowledge, experience, and customer service in representing high-end clients. Jordan explains how he has grown his business over the past 10 years, starting with smaller deals and gradually working his way up to multi-million dollar transactions. He emphasises the value a skilled buyer's agent can provide and shares insights on the mindset and strategies he uses to continue expanding his business. [0:00 - 5:00] Shares accidental entry into real estate and discovering the role of a buyer's agent. [5:00 - 10:00] Discusses building a successful buyer's agency in Brisbane, partnering with industry leader Simon Cohen. [10:00 - 15:00] Explains growing the business over 10 years, from smaller deals to representing clients in the multi-million dollar range. [15:00 - 20:00] Shares the story of a recent $23 million deal, highlighting the value a skilled buyer's agent can provide. [20:00 - 25:00] Discusses strategies used to build market knowledge and familiarity with the Brisbane market. [25:00 - 30:00] Talks about balancing a high-performing career with maintaining a healthy personal life and relationships. [30:00 - 35:00] Shares insights on what makes a great real estate agent, emphasising communication and client service. [35:00 - 40:00] Discusses the biggest challenge as a buyer's agent - finding the right properties for clients in a limited market. [40:00 - 45:00] Reflects on lessons learned from long-time business partner Simon Cohen, and how his expertise has shaped the approach. [45:00 - 50:00] Offers advice for entrepreneurs and professionals looking to build a successful real estate business, highlighting the importance of relationships and exceptional client experiences. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this episode, Gavin sits down with Anthony Bell, the CEO of Bell Partners, one of Australia's top accounting firms. Hear how Anthony's determination and entrepreneurial spirit led him to break away from his father's accounting practice and start his own successful firm at just 27 years old. Learn about his unique approach to building a thriving business, including his focus on advisory services, strategic partnerships, and cultivating a strong company culture. Anthony also discusses his passion for property investment, experiences navigating industry challenges, and advice for aspiring entrepreneurs and real estate professionals. [0:00 - 5:00] Anthony's background and early career, including his decision to leave his father's accounting firm to start his own practice. [5:00 - 10:00] How Anthony built Bell Partners into a leading accounting firm, focusing on advisory services and strategic partnerships. [10:00 - 15:00] Anthony's experiences as a property investor and his thoughts on the Australian real estate market. [15:00 - 20:00] Strategies Anthony has used to retain top talent and foster a strong company culture at Bell Partners. [20:00 - 25:00] Advice from Anthony on overcoming industry challenges and thriving as an entrepreneur in the professional services sector. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this episode, Gavin sits down with Daniel O'Brien, the owner of X-Commercial. Hear how Daniel's persistence, strategic mindset, and innovative approach to social media have fueled X-Commercial's success. Learn from his experiences navigating the challenges of commercial property management and his plans for a nationwide franchise expansion. Daniel also delves into his thoughts on balancing work and family, fostering loyalty within his team, and what it takes to thrive in the competitive world of commercial real estate. [0:00 - 5:00] Introduction to Daniel O'Brien and his transition from residential to commercial real estate. [5:00 - 10:00] Daniel’s journey to success in commercial real estate, including the hurdles he overcame early on. [10:00 - 15:00] The founding of X-Commercial, its growth, and Daniel’s unique approach to team loyalty and mentorship. [15:00 - 20:00] The role of social media in Daniel’s strategy and the surprising success he’s found with it. [20:00 - 25:00] Daniel’s long-term vision for X-Commercial, including franchise expansion and his outlook on Sydney’s property market. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Today, we welcome Peter Freedman, founder of RØDE, a leading brand specialising in microphones, headphones, audio interfaces, and software. Their state-of-the-art facilities house over $500 million in machinery and an international team of 800+. Their products are exported to 119 countries worldwide. From his humble beginnings as a young Swedish immigrant to Australia, Peter shares his story of overcoming adversity, developing a relentless work ethic, and building a global audio empire. Get inspired by Peter's unwavering passion for his craft, his innovative approach to marketing and sales, and his steadfast commitment to customer service and core values. 0:00 - 5:00] Introduction to Peter Freedman, founder of RØDE Microphones, and his impressive journey from moving to Australia as a child to building a global audio empire. [5:00 - 15:00] Peter's early life struggles, including learning English, facing bullying, and developing a driven mindset to prove his worth. [15:00 - 25:00] The founding of RØDE Microphones and how a chance opportunity with a microphone led to the company's meteoric rise. [25:00 - 35:00] Overcoming the 1989 financial crash, Peter's resilience, and the importance of customer service in rebuilding the business. [35:00 - 45:00] Peter's unique blend of technical expertise, marketing prowess, and passion for his work, which has been the key to RØDE's success. [45:00 - 55:00] The role of core values, transparency, and a strong company culture in driving RØDE's growth and Peter's plans for the future. [55:00 - 60:00] Peter's reflections on his journey, the lessons learned, and his commitment to making a positive impact in the world. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this episode, Gavin sits down with Marnie, a top 20 female real estate agent in Australia with over 25 years of experience and 2,000+ properties sold. Marnie provides a fascinating glimpse into the early days of her career, when she learned from industry greats and described the invaluable experience of absorbing their knowledge and techniques. Get inspired by Marnie's drive, work ethic, and willingness to take on new challenges, even while on maternity leave. Her story demonstrates the power of seizing opportunities, maintaining a positive attitude, and continuously learning from those around you. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this episode Gavin sits down with Matt Kemeny, a top-performing associate in Gavin's office. Matt shares his remarkable journey from working at the front desk of a gym to becoming a highly successful real estate agent, despite having no prior experience. Listeners will learn about Matt's resilience, discipline, and the valuable lessons he's learned from his mentor, Gavin, and the experienced agents around him. This episode offers insights into the ups and downs of the real estate industry and the keys to achieving success in this competitive field. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Gavin sits down with renowned Australian architect Nick Tobias. Nick shares the story of how he started his practice at just 22 years old and built it into one of the country's leading architecture firms known for bespoke luxury homes. He discusses the process of designing high-end homes from concept to construction, getting projects approved, working with clients and more. Nick also provides valuable insights into the costs involved in building a new home today. An insightful look into the world of premium residential architecture and development from one of the best in the business. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this episode, Gavin interviews real estate powerhouse Michael Kollosche about his incredible career journey. Michael shares how he got his start in real estate over 25 years ago and discusses his early success in becoming the #1 agent at Ray White, the reason for his 5-year break from the industry and how a certain client eventually convinced him to return. 0:14-0:28 - Starting a real estate career at 18 with Michael Kollosche 0:28-1:23 - Why Michael took a 5-year break from real estate 1:23-2:26 - Michael shares some of the keys to his success 2:26-end - Michael's business growth while maintaining work/life balance See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.