10,000 Swamp Leaders

Joanne Murphy, Professor of Inclusive Leadership at Birmingham Business School comes to the swamp and discusses how we can lead inside volatile environments. She brings a lifetime of lived experience on this topic. Joanne was raised in Northern Ireland during the “troubles.” She learned first hand what is required to lead in volatile environments. Joanne is an academic, author and teacher who is committed to helping individuals and organizations build the organizational scaffolding that is essential in these troubling times. She wraps all this information inside deep passion and energy. Joanne’s Links Joanne’s Book: Management and War: How Organisations Navigate Conflict and Build Peace’ Joanne’s Website Public Service Podcast The Leadership Challenge of Northern Ireland Twitter - @changeresearch Birmingham University - https://www.birmingham.ac.uk/staff/profiles/business/murphy-joanne Joanne’s Linkedin - www.linkedin.com/in/joanne-murphyleadership Thanks for listening. Send me your feedback I want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Ethan Schutz, President and CEO of The Schutz Company pays a visit to the swamp and shares the history and the work that is The Human Element. Ethan takes us back to when his father, Will Schutz developed his thinking and motivation for helping people develop greater self-awareness, aliveness and candor through telling more truth. Will developed FIRO Theory which has become a fundamental philosophy that has influenced many people inside the world of organizational development. Ethan has led the organization for 15 years and he brings a deep understanding of group dynamics and how the work of the Human Element does transform shared work and relationships inside organizations. Ethan’s Links The Human Element Company BCon Global The Human Element Story Ethan’s TEDx talk Can’t You See I’m Busy Being Miserable? The Schutz Company Ethan Schutz: Trust and the Bottom Line The Joys of Being Wrong Thanks for listening. Send me your feedback I want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Jill Hufnagel comes to the swamp and shares her perspective and experience helping people develop leadership capacity. Jill served as guest faculty on the Harvard Kennedy School’s Art & Practice of Adaptive Leadership program and as a senior associate with Cambridge Leadership Associates, along with running her own consultancy JHC&C. In our conversation, Jill discusses the importance of having a clear purpose for leading, how to develop your leadership craft and she offers wisdom on navigating the challenges of leading Jill’s Links https://primacentral.org/education/prima-leadership-academy/ https://issuu.com/kansasleadershipcenter/docs/journalwinter_final_web https://www.jillhufnagel.com/blog Jill’s Website Jill’s Book Jill’s LinkedIn page Thanks for listening. Send me your feedback I want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Geoff Mead returns to the Swamp to discuss narrative leadership. Often acts of leading begin as a conversation. A conversation that might be internal or conversations with other people. It is important for people who choose to lead, to understand how to craft and use narrative to mobilize people to take action. Geoff helps us understand how to do this work in this episode. Geoff is the founding director of Narrative Leadership Associates, a consultancy focused on the use of storytelling for sustainable leadership. He is a master guide in the emerging field of narrative leadership and storytelling in organizations. He will share some stories and offer us guidance on how we can adapt our narrative to support the life we seek to live. Geoff’s Links Personal Blog. www.cominghometostory.com Centre for Narrative Leadership (not for profit) www.narrativeleadership.org Narrative Leadership Associates (business) www.narrativeleadership.com Geoff’s Books Coming Home to Story Telling the Story: The Heart and Soul of Successful Leadership Gone in the Morning Thanks for listening. Send me your feedback I want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Geoff Mead joins us in the Swamp to explore the significance of the stories we tell ourselves, the narratives we use to guide our life and how they shape our identity. Geoff is the founding director of Narrative Leadership Associates, a consultancy focused on the use of storytelling for sustainable leadership. He is a master guide in the emerging field of narrative leadership and storytelling in organizations. He will share some stories and offer us guidance on how we can adapt our narrative to support the life we seek to live. Geoff’s Links Personal Blog. www.cominghometostory.com Centre for Narrative Leadership (not for profit) www.narrativeleadership.org Narrative Leadership Associates (business) www.narrativeleadership.com Geoff’s Books Coming Home to Story Telling the Story: The Heart and Soul of Successful Leadership Gone in the Morning Thanks for listening. Send me your feedback I want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

060_Janie Ekberg comes to the Swamp to share her stories of leading across multiple social impact projects. Her story is personal for me because she found a way to mobilize me and get me involved in Camp Siberia and in so doing, change my life and perspective on what it takes to lead without authority. Janie has also changed the trajectory of hundreds of other people in her community and around the world. She comes to share her stories of leading, her insights on how to foster a movement and how serving the common good turns is the best work we can experience. Links Island Treasure BI Theater Camp Siberia Story Camp Siberia YouTube Bainbridge Performing Arts Bainbridge Island Volunteer Caregivers Thanks for listening. Send me your feedback I want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Natalie Trotta comes to the Swamp to share her decision to alter her career trajectory and lead herself in the pursuit of building a wellness community. Natalie’s journey is important because she highlights that leading is always a choice and it can come from anyone and at any time. Natalie models that leading has nothing to do with age or “life experience.” She has made a commitment to use herself to help others while she figures out the small details. Natalie understands that the next steps are revealed only when one has begun walking the path. Natalie’s Links Andiamo Substack LinkedIn Thanks for listening. Send me your feedback I want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Maxime Fern and Michael Johnstone are at the forefront of taking Adaptive Leadership out of academia and into boardrooms and learning spaces around the world. They come to the swamp to share their great book Provocation as Leadership: A roadmap for Adaptation and Change. Maxime and Michael have been working in family and organizational systems for most of their careers. They believe provocations are both necessary and helpful to building healthy groups. We discuss what makes up useful provocation, why it matters and they provide coaching on how to begin this important work. Our conversation just might provoke some new ideas and approaches for you in your work and life. Links Vantage Point Consulting Provocation as Leadership book Michael’s LinkedIN Thanks for listening. Send me your feedback I want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Lianne Morgan comes to the Swamp and shares her thoughts on the value of following a mindfulness practice. Lianne is a role model for us all. She has a long history of navigating life as a corporate leader. Long enough to know when it’s time to depart and how to make that transition. Today Lianne is a mindfulness coach. She offers wisdom in this episode on how to design a practice of mindfulness, the value of following that practice and how to use your body as a medium for learning and growth. Lianne's Links Lianne Morgan Website Thanks for listening. Send me your feedback I want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Ellen Schall of New York University comes to the Swamp and shares her wisdom on how to develop a leadership reflective practice. Ellen’s journey began when she worked in New York City starting as a Legal Aid Society attorney. She moved to New York University in 1992 and it is still her home. She taught the Leadership course: Reflective Practice: Learning from Work. Ellen shares her thoughts on the importance of distinguishing role from self, how to develop a self-reflection practice, her definition of leading and the deep value that comes from working on the front line of public service. Ellen is a wisdom sharer. Your time listening to Ellen will deepen your capacity to use yourself to lead. But will mean you will need to develop and follow your own Reflective Leadership Practice. She will help you with that work. Ellen’s Links Ellen Schall: NYU Wagner A Reflective Practitioner Journey paper Learning to Love the Swamp: Reshaping Education for Public Service paper Leadership Reflections New Book Ellen Schall Experience Fund Ellen Schall Harvard Kennedy School Case Thanks for listening. Send me your feedback I want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Tracey Camilleri and Samatha Rockey come to the Swamp and bring a treasure trove of research based thinking that leverages both the art and science necessary for building successful groups. They share their recommendations from their new book: The Social Brain: The Psychology of Successful Groups. We discuss the Dunbar Number, the value creation that comes from investing time and energy in fostering belonging and forming bonds that lead to bigger results. Samatha and Tracey are committed optimists who are using their research and writing to help organizations today and foster better working environments for future generations. Links Tracey’s LinkedIn Samantha’s LinkedIn Thompson Harrison Their Book: The Social Brain Thanks for listening. Send me your feedback I want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Martin Thomas and Mick Yates, two friends I admire, come to the Swamp to share their encore stories and second acts. Both men returned to university late in their professional careers and that decision changed the trajectory of their lives, the focus of their commitments and how they have chosen to make a difference as they conjure up second acts and most likely, third and forth acts. All of us will learn a few things about how to design a life well lived. Links Martin Thomas LinkedIn Call4Change Multicapital Scorecard Mick Yates LinkedIn Mick Yates Photography Photo|Frome Thanks for listening. Send me your feedback I want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Episode 053_ Nick Conigrave brings to the swamp his marriage of deep leadership study with the pragmatism needed to help people build their capacity to lead for greater impact. You will hear Nick’s passion for helping people as he shares the range of approaches he uses to construct leadership programmes and coaching strategies that are useful to all. Nick is a true bricolage of leadership development. Nick’s Links LinkedIn profile 6 Team Conditions Leadership as a learning activity Leading Systems towards transformative learning Thanks for listening. Send me your feedback I want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Episode 052_ Joanne Flinn visits the swamp to discuss how company directors can integrate the environmental, social and governance agenda inside their organization and thrive. Joanne is the Chair of ESG Institute and the author of Greensight: The Sustainability Guide for Company Directors. She discusses the challenges of the ESG agenda as well as ideas for implementation. Joanne’s Links LinkedIn Book ESG Institute Thanks for listening. Send me your feedback I want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Episode 051_ Tom Tyner comes to the swamp to share his decision to help preserve public lands for future generations. He shares his decision to leave his position as legal counsel to a global bank, move his family from San Francisco to the Seattle area and dedicate his time and expertise to secure parklands, forests, range land and wilderness for future generations. Tom’s a humorist guy so he holds our interest as he shares his lessons and his wisdom on life and leading. Tommy, the trees, the habitat and all of us thank you. Tom's Links Trust For Public Lands Tom's LinkedIn Profile Thanks for listening. Send me your feedback I want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Anne-Fleur Goll joins me to share her story of a call to action on climate change that started small and then suddenly it was big and global. Anne-Fleur balances being a climate consultant on the Deloitte Sustainability team with her climate activism. She has learned a few things on how to create and sustain a movement as well as how to manage and balance these dual roles and take care of herself. Anne's Links LinkedIn HEC Speech Thanks for listening. Send me your feedback I want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Karin Zastrow comes to the Swamp and she arrives with over twenty years of first hand experience working as a leader. Our conversation starts when Karin is tasked with designing her organization’s leadership development strategy. Without a budget. Immediately we come to understand that her unique combination of persistence, curiosity, and action is ideally suited for this challenge. Her hard work leads to the development of Direct Leadership. Karin details how she discovered the power of leading by doing and what it takes to master this leadership capacity. Karin has been teaching, coaching and facilitating Direct Leadership work for over 20 years. She is not resting. Just ahead are new enhancements to her approach to leading. Take a listen. Karin’s Links Karin LinkedIn Direct Leadership Direct Leadership Training Information Thanks for listening. Send me your feedback I want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Joe Badman joins me in the swamp to share his passion for working with public service individuals and teams. Joe discovered early in his career that he was quite good at helping teams collaborate and solve messy problems. Through this work, he unearthed his passion to help improve people’s lives. We all rely on our local governments to deliver high quality services. Joe and his team help organizations build the capacity to both perform at a higher level and be more self-reliant in the process. We all win with this outcome. Joe understands that there is magic in helping people. He would know since he is also a magician. Joe's Links Basis LinkedIn Thanks for listening. Send me your feedback I want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Nyuon William is an accomplished lawyer and advocate for peace, gender equality and human rights. She joins us to share her journey growing up in the midst of Sudan’s civil war, being raised by parents who advocated and supported her education and her development path to becoming a lawyer. Her specialization includes reforms for women’s equality, as well as the youth, peace and security agenda. As a lawyer, Nyuon is a role model for women both inside her country and around the world. She uses her legal expertise in support of the movement for equal rights and fair treatment of youth and especially young women. Nyuon’s humility and gentle manor disguise a woman of great resolve and commitment to reforming her country for the common good of everyone. Nyuon is the National Director of the National Alliance of Women Lawyers (NAWL), which is dedicated to promoting and protecting the rights of women and girls. Nyuon’s Links LinkedIn Seeds of Hope and Action National Alliance of Women Lawyers Thanks for listening. Send me your feedback I want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Jerilyn Brusseau offers evidence that one woman, with a vision to heal can change the lives of thousands of people. Her story begins with heartbreak when she learns that her brother, Dan Cheney, was shot down and killed in Vietnam just 15 days after he arrived in the country. In that moment, Jerilyn joined nearly 60,000 other American families who lost family members in a war that would last almost 20 years. Almost immediately Jerilyn understood that there were also Vietnamese families suffering equal heartache from losing loved ones. So began Peace Trees Vietnam. In our conversation, Jerilyn takes us on a good will journey from Seattle to Vietnam to heal relationships and clear over 1500 acres of more than 115,000 unexploded bombs, land mines, mortar shells and grenades and replace all that ordinance with trees of peace. But there is more. The Peace Trees Vietnam organization has facilitated the building of kindergartens, libraries and community centers. Probably more important, Jerilyn and her team have helped heal the damaged relationships between two countries through simple acts of kindness and community building. Jerilyn offers much for us to learn about what is possible when deep loss is turned into helping other people. Peace Trees Vietnam Thanks for listening. Send me your feedback I want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp