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We're constantly communicating, but do we pay attention to what's really being said? This podcast explores the way we communicate about politics, religion, race, culture, and more.

We're constantly communicating, but do we pay attention to what's really being said? This podcast explores the way we communicate about politics, religion, race, culture, and more.
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We're constantly communicating, but do we pay attention to what's really being said? This podcast explores the way we communicate about politics, religion, race, culture, and more.






Episode 30 - Interview with Tina Vavages-Andrew

In this episode, I sit down with Tina Vavages-Andrew, the host of Cultivating Indigenous Voices and Tohono O’odham Young Voices podcasts. We discuss her experience growing up in the Tucson area and her perspective on Tucson’s history as a Native woman. We also discuss the unique experience the Tohno O’odham have with the U.S. - Mexican border given that it runs right through the middle of the reservation. Tina gives us a more in depth historical look as what Shuck’son once was and why it...


Episode 29 - Interview with Daniel Buckley

In this episode, I sit down with digital artist and long time Tucson resident, Daniel Buckley. Once a journalist for the Tucson Citizen, Dan has produced and documented art and culture in Tucson since 1971. We discuss Tucson’s collective character, its resilience through different “urban development” projects, and its wholly unique “personality.” Dan describes his documentary in the making, The Mariachi Miracle, a film chronicling the incredibly positive social impact of mariachi youth...


Episode 28 - Interview With Jenny Bell

In this episode I sit down over coffee and Alvernon Doughnuts with Jenny Bell, a friend who has a lot to say and teach us as a culturally rich American society. We discuss her upbringing, her journey to settling down in Tucson, and her experience as a biracial woman learning to feel comfortable in skin. We discuss the challenges and importance of becoming vulnerable in sharing our stories as we look to understand and be understood.


Episode 27 - Principles

In this episode I discuss the importance of having principles in our lives, particularly when it comes to choosing where to live, where to work, and how we treat others. Should we sell our houses just to turn profit? Or is there something more important about keeping an area affordable for others? Should I work for an organization whose values do not match up well with mine, even if it pays well? Should I distance myself from friends whose values greatly differ from mine? I suggest a way...


Episode 26 - The Thing About Community

In this episode I discuss what constitutes a community from my perspective. There is often talk about the need for thriving communities and participation in them, and I agree. Where I depart a bit from the current popular way of creating community is the idea that we can will it into existence with technology and hard work. Community entails investment of time and being patient for something lasting to truly come about.


Episode 25 - Si Se Puede (Yes You Can!)

In this episode I discuss what I learned recently having graduated with a Masters of Communication from Northern Arizona University. I talk about the unique challenges we face when we don’t have sufficient information or know someone who does. I talk about why it’s better to charge headlong into uncertainty than to remain certain in our own stagnanation.


Episode 24 - Ancestry, Identity, Humanity

In this episode I reveal the results of an Ancestry DNA test I took recently. There were some surprises, and the results caused me to consider that the ways in which we identify by “ethnicity” are really more about culture and appearance. I suggest how this way of seeing identity should shape how we interact with the whole of humanity.


Episode 23 - White Evangelicalism with Mele Martinez

This special episode features my wife, Mele Martinez, with whom I discuss a recent controversy over what some refer to as White Evangelicalism. Hip-hop artist, Lecrae, recently began moving away from identifying as a Christian in that specific context and has instead opted to look at a form of Christianity that allows for multiple cultural expressions in the American church. The decision generated articles from high-profile pastoral figures such as John Piper and has added something to the...


Episode 22 - Violence

In this episode I examine violence as an innate part of who we are as human beings. I acknowledge the death and destruction that comes with it, but suggest reasons we should not seek to rid ourselves of it completely. It is struggle and risk and absolutely necessary. We would not have made it to this place we enjoy without it.


Episode 19 - The Allure of Music

In this episode I discuss the allure of music….how it influences our thinking and our actions. I recall how certain songs take me back to feelings or memories from childhood, and I discuss the good and bad of reliving them. We all love music, but I suggest we should examine how any given piece of music influences the consistency with which we live out our lives in light of our moral and ethical codes.


Episode 18 - The Scott Peterson Trial and IQ

In this episode I discuss the Scott Peterson trial and question whether or not the jury had been competant in determining his guilt. I pose the question as to whether or not we should have a baseline measurement of intelligence when we select juries for trials that may lead to jail time and/or a death sentence for the accused. Would the intelligence of the jury be important to you if you were the one on trial?


Episode 17 - Nuanced Thinking

In this episode I discuss two controversial issues: DACA/immigration and campus sexual assault policies. We tend to have emotional responses to an issue before we consider the nuance or complexity of all that’s involved. I discuss the danger of simplistic “taking of sides” and not giving due consideration to all aspects of a given issue. I detail the good and bad of these two issues and make a case for developing a more well-researched, well-reasoned stance.


Episode 16 - Planning My Future

In this episode I focus on self-communication. We think we know what we believe, but how can we be sure unless we articulate it somehow, even to ourselves in writing? Have you ever said something you believed and immediately realized it was stupid? I have. I discuss my process of articulating to myself my own personal “heaven” to attain and “hell” to avoid using the Future Authoring program developed my clinical psychologists. For more information, go to


Episode 15 - Interview With The Company Men

In this episode I sit down with Jared and Chuck of the Company Men podcast! The Company Men regularly host people in their homes over meals and as a result, help to cultivate community amongst people from all walks of life. We discuss why it’s important to host, what it means to live a life that is consistenc with one’s professed beliefs, and why it’s so important to be involved in the community.


Episode 14 - Charolttesville - A Failure to Communicate

Following a podcast where I discussed the meaning of love, we find ourselves trying to make sense of a week of hate and vitrol between White supremacists and Antifa Marxist thugs. In episode 14, I do not suggest denouncing racism with a caveat, but denouncing it while simultaneously condemning Antifa violence. The murder of a protestor in the name of White supremacy is the worst of the whole affair, but it isn’t the only detestable action in a day of repeated violence and refusal to...


Episode 13 - The Messiness of Love

In this episode I discuss what we mean when we say “love.” I expolre the many ways in which people use the term and whether or not we have a good understanding of what it should truly represent. What does it mean to see love as self-interest? What does it mean to see it as compassion? What does love have to say about the current marching and rioting in Charleston, NC?


Episode 12 - Tricky Language

In this episode, I spell out the meaning of “euphemism” and “ideograph” and discuss how these are used to shut down or dominate communicative exchanges. I suggest a better way to communicate that leads to understanding.


Episode 11 - Racial Identity

In this episode I discuss what racial identity means, how it affects us, and whether or not it determines who we truly are.


Episode 10 - The Art of Abandoning Art

In this episode I detail why I ceased to be an artist after 18 years of touring, teaching, and performing.


Episode 9 - Masculinity with Josh Clutter

In this special episode I have a discussion with Dr. Josh Clutter on what it means to be a man.


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