Win-Win with Liv Boeree

Capitalism has historically been our biggest blessing. But what if it's now turning into our biggest curse? Is it time to change the game? My guest today believes so. Jim Rutt is an early internet pioneer, complexity scientist, former chairman of the Santa Fe Institute, and co-founder of the Game B movement... and he has a lot to say about how our economic and technological systems have trapped us in addictive, self-reinforcing feedback loops. From smartphones engineered like slot machines to markets that manufacture desire rather than meet real needs, he argues that our current “Game A” world runs on a single signal — money-on-money return — and that this monoculture is quietly eroding both our agency, and planetary stability. Which is where “Game B” comes in: a post-capitalist operating system built on multidimensional value, regenerative economies, and what he calls "membranes" — local, self-governing communities that cooperate through trust, technology, and shared sensemaking rather than rivalry and coercion. So if, like me, you increasingly feel that modern life is engineered to keep us divided and distracted, I highly recommend this episode. Liv Chapters: 01:42 - intro 03:38 - Tech hygiene practices 06:57 - what was the motivation for tech sabbaticals? 10:12 - why do people love slots? 15:02 - When did Jim decide to build responsibly? 21:38 - status games 23:34 - The market as an information system 31:38 - have the status games moved primarily to digital 38:42 - definition of game A and game B 52:14 - How to prevent system collapse? 01:05:52 - Have any practical experiments been conducted on game B? 01:18:00 - why game A is self terminating 01:27:45 - how do declining populations factor into planetary boundaries? 01:39:41 - how do we exit the game when we are within it? 01:41:45 - defeating the "Big Man" 01:49:18 - Jim's trillion dollar idea 02:00:31 - AI consciousness 02:14:36 - Consciousness vs Intelligence 02:22:48 - the dangers of ascribing consciousness to AI 02:26:32 - Rapid fire predictions 02:28:53 - Jim's WIN-WIN Links: ♾️ The Jim Rutt Show: https://www.jimruttshow.com ♾️ Jim’s X: https://x.com/jim_rutt?lang=en ♾️ Game B wiki: https://www.gameb.wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page ♾️ Game B Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/gamebcore ♾️ Jim’s essay on smartphone dopamine: https://medium.com/@memetic007/reclaiming-our-cognitive-sovereignty-f49f30eb26bb Credits: ♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree ♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico The Win-Win Podcast: Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, politicians and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose systems into Win-Wins. Podcast links: ♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S ♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f ♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350 ♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2

Superintelligent AI is rapidly approaching, and humanity (specifically, the labs building it) is still a long way from proving it can be safely controlled. But what if that’s the wrong way of viewing the problem? Is there a way to instill values to the mutual benefit of both humans and machines? In this episode of the Win-Win Podcast, Liv sits down with Emmett Shear — Twitch co-founder, former interim CEO of OpenAI and founder of Softmax — for a groundbreaking conversation on the future of AI alignment. Emmett unpacks why the traditional “control alignment” approach, which tries to hard-code pre-determined values into AI, is destined to fail — and why “organic alignment,” inspired by nature, teamwork, and human societies, might be the only path forward for coexistence. From multicellularity to markets, he explains how collective identities form; why betrayal can sometimes be the moral choice; and how we might go about teaching AI to care for us as its own family, rather than see us as masters to obey (or perhaps more accurately, ants to squash). Hear how Emmett's organisation Softmax is experimenting with small, goal-oriented agents in virtual worlds. Why superintelligence should emerge as societies of diverse AIs instead of a single runaway system. And how our own capacity for alignment as groups of humans may be the most powerful clue for what to do next. If you’re ready to explore the very foundations of your assumptions around technology, philosophy and the nature of intelligence itself, this episode will be right up your alley... Chapters: 00:48 - Intro. 01:04 - Organic Alignment.7 09:33 - The Formation Of Emergent Coordination. 16:01 - Techniques For Creating Alignment. 23:43 - What Is The Ideal Environment To Generate Alignment 30:09 - How Much Influence Is Projected On The Ai? 32:49 - The Global Super Organism That Is The Market. 40:41 - Group Questions. 40:50 - The Difference Between Coordination And Alignment. 43:02 - What Is The Win Condition For Softmax? 50:17 - How Do We Maintain The Need For Humans In The Loop? 58:57 - Selecting And Scaling The Right Alignment Model. 1:02:09 - Blowtorch Theory & Black Holes 1:04:48 - Agents Aligning With Each Other Isn't The Same As Aligning With Humans. 1:07:25 - Exploring Ai's Capability For Self Modification And Replication. 1:14:35 - The Difference Between Alignment Capacity And Aligning With Humanity. 1:18:38 - Does Emmett Believe In God? 1:25:23 - Are Humans The Appendix To The Future Super Intelligence? 1:32:17 - Is Training Ai On Human Ethics And Morality Actually A Good Idea? 1:36:17 - Will Ai Be Conscious Or Self Aware? 1:40:48 - One Axiom To Instill Into Ai's Being Created. Links: ♾️Softmax - https://softmax.com/ ♾️Nebulosity and Meaningness - https://meaningness.com/nebulosity♾️Black Holes and our evolving universe - https://theeggandtherock.com/p/in-which-i-tell-you-about-my-next ♾️AI Alignment Forum - https://www.alignmentforum.org/♾️Evolving Intrinsic Motivations for Altruistic Behaviour - https://arxiv.org/pdf/1811.05931 Credits: ♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree ♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico The Win-Win Podcast: Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, politicians and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose systems into Win-Wins.Podcast links: ♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S ♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f ♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350 ♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2 #winwinpodcast #organicalignment #aialignment #ai #aisafety

Energy is the lifeblood of civilization. Is nuclear power the source of abundant clean energy that's been under our noses this whole time? In this episode of the Win-Win Podcast, Liv sits down with Isabelle Boemeke (founder of Isodope & energy expert) to tackle the debate between abundance and degrowth, sustainability, safety & energy infrastructure concerns, AI and emerging technologies, and why biomass “renewables” are a giant planet destroying scam. We also get into some history: story from Atoms for Peace to Three Mile Island and the China Syndrome effect, unpacks how the IAEA keeps power and proliferation apart, and explores the promise of small/modular and micro-reactors. Also, techno-pastoralism. You heard it here first! Chapters: 0:00 - Intro - Why Is Nuclear A Win-Win 1:06 - Isabelle's Backstory 7:08 - The Cognitive Impact Of Air Conditioning 10:13 - Renewables Vs Nuclear - Is It Really A Battle? 13:23 - Wind Energy 15:59 - Should America Lean Into Decentralised Energy Grids? 18:32 - The Problem With "Renewable" Labelling 23:49 - Better Labelling? 25:26 - Public Messaging: Simplicity VS Accuracy 29:11 - History Of Nuclear 41:38 - Nuclear Accidents e.g. Chernobyl 44:52 - What Would Have Happened If We'd Discovered Nuclear Energy Before Bombs? 48:25 - Comparison Of Nuclear And AI 52:08 - Lessons Learned From Nuclear for AI Industry 56:20 - Iran's Nuclear Program 59:38 - Funding Of IAEA 1:07:11 - The AI Race - What About China? 1:08:22 - Decentralized Surveillance 1:14:29 - Finding Meaning In A “Brave New World” 1:16:56 - Why Young People Aren't Getting Into Relationships 1:20:06 - Wireheading And Instant Gratification 1:33:42 - Techno Pastoralism 1:36:30 - Economics Of Nuclear 1:45:15 - Government Incentives 1:46:36 - Small Modular Reactors 1:53:30 - Circular Economies & Thorium 1:59:43 - Fast-tracking Nuclear Engineers 2:01:12 - Why Writing A Book Is Hellish 2:09:36 - Rapid Fire Predictions Links: ♾️ Isabelle IG: https://www.instagram.com/isabelleboemeke?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igsh=Y2xkOG9kd3lvdW9h ♾️ Isodope Website: https://isodope.com ♾️ Isabelle X: https://x.com/isabelleboemeke ♾️ i_sodope X: https://x.com/isodope ♾️ Rad Future: https://www.amazon.com/Rad-Future-Untold-Nuclear-Electricity/dp/0593716329 Credits: ♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree ♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico The Win-Win Podcast: Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, politicians and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose systems into Win-Wins. Podcast links: ♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f ♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350 ♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2 #winwinpodcast #nuclearenergy #RadFuture

Dominic Cummings is one of the most polarizing figures in Britain. He's a political strategist who masterminded the main campaign for Brexit. He was also Chief Advisor to Prime Minister Boris Johnson for some of his term, including through COVID. He even had Benedict Cumberbatch play him in a movie! He's also a student of systems, having worked in or around government and civil institutions all his life, which is why I wanted to talk to him, because he's someone who has seen the depth of systemic rot pervading not just the UK, but the whole West. In this wide-ranging, no-holds-barred conversation, Igor and I hear why our governments are collapsing under their own weight, the rise of algorithm-driven politics and civil service monopolies, and the general systemic dysfunctions hollowing out the West's institutions. We also explore whether scientific and technological leadership and a whole lot of radical transparency can save us — or if we’re already past the tipping point. So if you’re craving real talk about power, governance, and what it might take to rebuild from the rubble, you'll enjoy this conversation! Chapters: 01:51: Is Dominic competitive? 07:30: First Interest in Politics 12:18: Beginning of his Euroskepticism 16:50: The current state of the British regime 23:04: His Time in No.10 Downing Street 33:00: Who is actually in charge? 36:38: More COVID screwups 40:05: The Consciousness of the System 45:15: Avoiding Future pandemics 1:01:27: Isn't the role of the government to provide stability? 1:07:17: The Issue of Bureaucracy 1:11:57: Machiavelli And Escaping the Wheel 1:15:53: Singapore 1:19:34: Digitizing the Government? 1:22:00: Moloch, Incentives & Political sacrifice 1:25:28: The Media Is A Simulation of Reality 1:29:12: How to design better social media platforms 1:31:05: Sensemaking in the AI age 1:37:24: UK Grooming Gangs Coverup 1:48:21: Political Gaslighting, Freedom of Speech & 2nd Amendment 1:50:38: Blasphemy and Islamophobia Laws in UK 1:56:10: The Sacred Cow of Multiculturalism 2:02:22: Core Principles To Live By 2:07:48: Smart vs Dumb Approaches to Regulation 2:17:05: Rapidfire Predictions Links: ♾️ Dominic’s X: https://x.com/Dominic2306 ♾️ Dominic’s Substack: https://dominiccummings.substack.com ♾️ Simulacra and Simulation: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22613.Simulacra_and_Simulation?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_6 ♾️ Moloch explainer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRz54V7rU4U ♾️ Brexit The Movie: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8425058/ ♾️ Mary Wakefield (Dominic’s wife) response to the movie: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/benedict-cumberbatch-on-playing-my-husband-dominic-cummings/ Credits: ♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree ♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico ♾️ Intro by Perry Sinclair The Win-Win Podcast: Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, politicians and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose systems into. Win-Wins.Podcast links: ♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S ♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f ♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350 ♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2 #winwinpodcast #systemchange #politics

The world is having fewer babies than ever. But how bad is this, really? What's causing it? Is there a win-win solution out there that can help people have more babies, if they want them? In this special "Win-Win Live" event, I speak to Professor Dean Spears - a demographer and economist whose research examines the impact of population decline. He's the author of the book "After The Spike" which explores why people are choosing to have fewer babies, and the stark realities it would mean if the population continues on its current path. As you'll see, the latter half of this conversation opens up into a group discussion with many previous Win-Win guests who I invited to join because such a complex and sensitive topic requires as many perspectives as possible! What do you think is the solution? Let me know in the comments below. Chapters: 0:22 - Introduction to the Fertility Crisis 4:12 - Why Over-Population Isn’t A Thing 11:17 - What’s Causing It? 16:03 - Role of Social Trends 18:20 - Role of Biological Infertility & Toxins 23:10 - Wouldn’t Fewer People Take Pressure Off The Environment? 28:56 - Climate, Ocean and Other Planetary Boundaries 32:28 - Paul Erlich and Dangers of Zero-Sum Thinking 36:25 - Can’t AI & Robots Fill The Economic Gap? 42:58 - Historical Strategies That Increased Birth Rates?48:40 - Impact of Contraception 52:57 - Which Sub-Populations Are Bucking The Trend? 57:37 - How To Help Women Have Careers And Babies? 59:56 - The Issues of A Heavily Elderly Population 1:05:13 - Examples of Successful Incentives 1:09:07 - More AI Stuff 1:17:47 - Opportunity Cost Hypothesis 1:22:28 - Won’t People Just Adapt? 1:27:55 - COVID-19 And Fertility Rate 1:29:17 - Family Size Distributions 1:34:31 - Research on Declining Intimacy Links: ♾️ Dean's Website: https://deanspears.net/ ♾️ After The Spike Book - https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/After-the-Spike/Dean-Spears/9781668057339 ♾️ Dean's NYTimes article: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/29/opinion/population-climate-progress.html♾️ Population Projections: https://ourworldindata.org/un-population-2024-revision Credits: ♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree ♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico The Win-Win Podcast:Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins. Podcast links: ♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f ♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350 ♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2 #winwinpodcast #populationdecline #fertilitycrisis

Democracy is in deep trouble. Could replacing politicians with real data save it? In this episode Liv sits down with Jamie Joyce – founder of the Society Library — to explore one of the most urgent questions of our time: how do we make sense of complex issues in the age of misinformation, algorithmic bias, and AI slop?We hear what happens when you treat information not as content to consume, but as infrastructure to build. Jamie shares how her nonprofit is transforming fraught topics—from nuclear power to AI—into structured “libraries of reasoning” to help politicians, citizens, and even machines understand all perspectives more clearly and come to more informed conclusion.One of all you bibliophiles out there!Chapters:0:00 - Intro4:30 - Diablo Canyon Debate Map14:26 - How To Evaluate Evidence?16:18 - How To Minimize Bias?19:06 - How To Handle Bad Faith & Fringe Perspectives24:16 - What About Flat Earth Type Conspiracies?28:37 - Cyber Attacks On Internet Archive33:54 - Modernizing Government41:01 - The Evil of Corporate Lobbying49:40 - Managing Info Hazards 53:19 - Society Library Virtues And Values57:06 - When Jamie Neatly Went Blind1:01:27 - Improving The Information Ecosystem1:12:44 - Prediction Markets and Sense-making1:15:25 - Structuring Data For Improved Learning1:22:17 - Society Library Meme Token Nonsense1:32:21 - Rapid Fire Predictions1:38:51 - Jamie's Favorite Win-WinLinks: ♾️ The Society Library : https://www.societylibrary.org ♾️ Internet Archive : https://archive.org ♾️ Jamie’s X : https://x.com/justjamiejoyce?lang=en Credits♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree♾️ Produced by Luca de VicoThe Win-Win PodcastPoker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins.Podcast links♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f ♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350 ♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2 #winwinpodcast #Democracy #Sensemaking

Humanity is in a race to build superintelligent AI gods. What happens if we create beings smarter than us—and can no longer steer them? In this special Win-Win IRL episode, Liv Boeree sits down with Anthony Aguirre (CEO of Future of Life Institute) and Malo Bourgon (CEO of MIRI) for a no-holds-barred conversation on finding alignment, avoiding power concentration and surveillance states, and the geopolitical implications of the race to AGI. Questions include: Why can’t the market be trusted to self-regulate AI? Why does power concentration in AI pose such a massive threat to democracy? And what happens when even well-meaning developers lose control of the systems they’ve built? We also explore win-win solutions—from compute governance and open-source safety measures, to collaborative international treaties and new models for responsible innovation. Also keep an eye out So buckle up for a provocative episode that challenges assumptions and asks what it will really take to keep the future human. Chapters : 0:00 - Intro 4:43 - Different Categories of Risks 11:26 - Why Can't the Market Manage AI Risks Sufficiently? 16:08 - The Dangers of Power Concentration 23:27 - What Solution Space Exists? 33:30 - Should Compute be Regulated? 39:13 - Taylor Capito - Are we at an Evolutionary Nexus 42:42 - JD Ross - Decentralization vs Centralization 47:21 - Isabelle Boemeke - Nuclear Power & AI 51:41 - Peter Wang - Wrong Stories Attract the Wrong People 58:34 - Aurora Quinn-Elmore & Eliezer Yudkowsky - Coherent Extrapolated Volition 1:06:34 - Can Win-Win be embedded into AI? Links : ♾️ Keep the Future Human Paper: https://keepthefuturehuman.ai ♾️ Future of Life Institute: https://futureoflife.org ♾️ MIRI: https://intelligence.org ♾️ Superintelligence Book by Nick Bostrom - https://www.amazon.com/Superintelligence-Dangers-Strategies-Nick-Bostrom/dp/0198739834 Credits: ♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree ♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico The Win-Win Podcast: Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins. Podcast links: ♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S ♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f ♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350 ♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2 #AGI #podcast #aialignment

What if AI isn’t replacing us—but redefining what it means to be skilled? Liv talks with engineer and educator Harper Carroll about how AI is transforming education, leveling the playing field for creators, and reshaping how we build, learn, and make decisions. A grounded look at the tools, challenges, and surprising upsides of the AI era, as well as a personal exploration of the spirituality (or lack of it) in Silicon Valley. Chapters 01:04 - Intro & Harper’s Story 04:58 - Growing a Following 07:18 - AI vs Machine Learning 11:18 - Harper’s Mission 18:43 - Her Favorite Applications of AI 27:27 - Choosing Between AI Tools 29:46 - Integrating AI in Schools 33:11 - Regulation to Prevent Over-Financial Optimization 36:59 - Leveling the Playing Field with AI 46:40 - Should People Still Learn to Code? 51:05 - AI Therapists? 57:54 - AI & Spirituality 1:02:28 - Cultivating Intuition and Wisdom 1:09:23 - Silicon Valley, Tech Bros and Femininity 1:16:00 - AI Generated Scams 1:21:13 - The Cat-and-Mouse Game of Scammers 1:28:23 - The Hive Mind 1:35:05- Agency and Gratitude ♾️ Harper IG : https://www.instagram.com/harpercarrollai/?hl=en ♾️ Harper Youtube : https://www.youtube.com/@HarperCarrollAI ♾️ Harper X : https://x.com/harperscarroll?lang=en Credits ♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree ♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico The Win-Win Podcast Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins. Podcast links ♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@LivBoeree ♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUa... ♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... ♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts... #winwinpodcast #AI #technology

Factory farming is one of the most universally loathed industries on Earth —so why is it still growing?Today I chat with Lewis Bollard, a leading researcher in farm animal welfare and global food policy, to understand the true scale and impact of industrial animal agriculture, and what we can do to improve it. We hear how corporate lobbying and political corruption have allowed the normalization of practices so harmful to both human and animal health they will take your breath away… including irresponsibility towards deadly pathogens like H5N1, intentional animal torture, massive antibiotic overuse and environmental contamination of large areas downstream of these giant intensive farms.On the more positive side, we explore the growing bipartisan support for animal welfare among voters, and how simple ballot measures could radically shift the future of our food back onto a healthier, more win-win path. So strap in for an intense episode—but one that’s packed with practical solutions and reasons for hope.Chapters:1:05 - Intro4:20 - What Qualifies as a Factory Farm?14:20 - The Human Cost Of Factory Farming20:30 - U.S. Labeling Standards25:10 - Pandemic Risks from Factory Farming31:45 - Environmental Impacts36:25 - Mental Health Of Farm Workers43:13 - Undercover Reporting48:13 - Political Corruption and Incentives 53:11 - EATS Act & the Farm Bill1:00:30 - Agricultural-Gagging Laws1:04:50 - Improvements In The Industry1:21:29 - Technological Solutions1:40:21 - Advice From Lewis1:45:32 - Finding the Win-WinLinks : ♾️ US Statistics on Factory Farming: https://ourworldindata.org/data-insights/almost-all-livestock-in-the-united-states-is-factory-farmed♾️ Global Statistics on Factory Farming https://ourworldindata.org/how-many-animals-are-factory-farmed♾️Voters Demand Farm Animal Protections : https://www.dataforprogress.org/blog/2022/8/2/voters-demand-farm-animal-protections-from-both-politicians-and-companies ♾️ Take Action to Oppose the EATS act / anti Prop 12 addition to the Farm Bill: https://animalequality.org/stop-eats-act/♾️ Follow Lewis on Twitter: https://twitter.com/Lewis_Bollard♾️ Follow Lewis on Substack: https://substack.com/@farmanimalwelfareCredits♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree♾️ Edited and Mixed by Jackson Page♾️ Produced by Luca de VicoThe Win-Win PodcastPoker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins.Podcast links♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f ♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350 ♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2 #winwinpodcast #animalwelfare #factoryfarming

AI is developing at breakneck speed—but are we properly prepared for what’s coming? To explore this question Igor and I grabbed leading AI researcher and forecaster Daniel Kokotajlo for a conversation about why he left OpenAI, what's right and wrong with their company culture, and how tabletop wargames are one of the best tools we have to prepare for AGI and superintelligence in the current hyper-competitive environment. Learn how these simulations—often used by militaries—can help us better forecast the geopolitical and technical dynamics of AI development, and why so many of them end with one person taking over the world. The gang also explore the challenges of AI alignment, incentive structures and reasons for hope. And of course, lots of predictions. Win-Win!Chapters01:06 - AI Wargame & Superintelligence05:15 - Resigning from OpenAI09:15 - That Non-Disparagement Clause & His Equity12:50 - Could OpenAI's behavior be Justified?20:50 - Governance in a world with AGI23:49 - Grading Daniel's AI predictions31:37 - Hyperstition yay or nay?38:09 - AI war games46:50 - AI deception and misalignment53:27 - More AI war games1:03:16 - Common sense AI policies1:23:01 - Science Fiction1:27:12 - Rapid fire predictionsLinks : ♾️ Daniel's new Predictions : https://ai-2027.com♾️ His Historic predictions : https://www.alignmentforum.org/posts/6Xgy6CAf2jqHhynHL/what-2026-looks-like ♾️ AI - Futures: https://ai-futures.org ♾️ Time Article on Daniel : https://time.com/7086285/ai-transparency-measures/ ♾️ Professional Wargaming https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_wargaming ♾️ UN Pandemic Exercise: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoLw-Q8X174&list=PL9-oVXQX88esnrdhaiuRdXGG7XOVYB9Xm&index=2 ♾️ Leopold Aschenbrenner’s “Situational Awareness”: https://situational-awareness.ai/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/situationalawareness.pdf ♾️ Daniel’s X: https://x.com/DKokotajlo Credits♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree & Igor Kurganov♾️ Edited and Mixed by Jackson Page♾️ Produced by Luca de VicoThe Win-Win PodcastPoker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins.Podcast links♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S ♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f ♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350 ♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2 #winwinpodcast #ai #openai

Protests, lock-ins, encampments…the culture on university campuses is certainly fraught these days! As political discourse worsens among young people, I couldn’t think of anyone better to explore this issue with than Manu Meel. Manu is the founder and CEO of Bridge USA; a movement to help students and other young people engage in constructive dialogue and disagreement to improve the quality of politics and democracy, and in this conversation we hear his powerful journey from pre-med student to leading one of the most influential youth organizations in America. Chapters : 00:00 - Intro 01:35 - What Is Bridge USA0 7:19 - Understanding The Social Divide 19:03 - What A Classic Bridge Session Looks Like 25:35 - Who Attends Bridge Sessions 33:24 - Incentivizing Understanding 40:21 - Managing Bad Faith Actors 47:24 - Movement Building 52:23 - Where Zero Sum Can Be Positive 58:16 - Changes On Campuses Since Trump Election 01:02:35 - Ten Percent Problem 01:06:33 - What Would A Social Media Redesign Look Like 01:18:03 - Bridging The Political Divide In Government 01:23:42 - Manu’s Mindset Links: BridgeUSA: https://bridgeusa.org 2017 Berkeley protests: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Berkeley_protests Why Bother Bridging Differences in College, Anyway?: https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/why_bother_bridging_differences_in_college_anyway What students really think about cancel culture: https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2022/02/college-campus-free-speech-cancel-culture/621484/ Manu X: https://x.com/manumeel_?lang=en Forbes Profile: https://www.forbes.com/profile/manu-meel/ The Coddling of the American Mind: https://www.amazon.com/Coddling-American-Mind-Intentions-Generation/dp/0141986301?tag=googhydr-20&source=dsa&hvcampaign=books&gclid=Cj0KCQjws-S-BhD2ARIsALssG0bzR-EjXTbiUf1i4UBiffPJvMi5IfpxEK6n6J6m049zsbW5nVKOYeMaAjVvEALw_wcB Credits: ♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree ♾️ Edited and Mixed by Jackson Page ♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico The Win-Win Podcast: Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins. Podcast links: ♾️ Youtube: • Win-Win with Liv Boeree ♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f ♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350 ♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2

In this episode of the Win Win Podcast, Liv and Igor sit down with Wait But Why creator Tim Urban to explore everything from his unexpected pet tortoise, Winston, to the mind-bending implications of superintelligent AI.We hear about his latest foray into book writing, and how he’s structured his workflow to overcome his damn procrastination monkey. The crew also discuss such classics as free will, parenthood and the current state of (un) freedom of speech in the UK. Fun stuff. Chapters:0:00 - Intro 1:27 - Book Writing 11:33 - Thoughts On Free Will 15:54 - Liv & Tim's Wager 34:26 - Systems for Work, Life and Progress 37:52 - Parenthood 43:02 - Picking the Right Life Partner 48:47 - That Bloody Heat Map 1:00:38 - Political Changes and Currents 1:15:07 - UK Political Degradation 1:22:40 - Surveillance and Government Overreach 1:33:17 - Rapid Fire Predictions Links: ♾️ Wait But Why Blog: https://waitbutwhy.com ♾️ What's our problem? Book: https://waitbutwhy.com/whatsourproblem ♾️ Heat Map study : https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-12227-0 ♾️ Apple pulls data protection feature in UK : https://www.reuters.com/technology/apple-removing-end-to-end-cloud-encryption-feature-uk-bloomberg-news-reports-2025-02-21/ Credits ♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree ♾️ Edited and Mixed by Jackson Page ♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico The Win-Win Podcast: Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins.

A deep dive into the game theory and exponential growth underlying our modern economic system, and how recent advancements in AI are poised to turn up the pressure on that system -- and our wider environment -- in ways we have never seen before. Not a conversation for the faint hearted, but crucial nonetheless. Daniel Schmachtenberger is a founding member of The Consilience Project, a research organization aimed at improving public sense-making around global catastrophic risks and technology. This conversation is the first episode of the Win-Win Podcast, which explores healthier ways to harness the power of competition. Chapters: 00:00 - Introduction 02:17 - Moloch Framework 12:16 - Meta Crisis 26:48 - Bad People or Bad System? 31:09 - Capitalism & Moloch 40:08 - Misalignment 51:31 - Incentive Pressures Driving Misalignment 57:58 - Moloch Driving AI Development 01:00:50 - AI Risks Pre AGI 01:07:31 - AI Accelerates Existing Systemic Issues 01:15:35 - Social Media01:19:07 - Alternative Goals 01:23:56 - Cooperation on AI 01:28:16 - Call to Action Daniel's Links ♾️ The Consilience Project: https://consilienceproject.org ♾️ Green Pill | The Metacrisis: • The Metacrisis with Daniel Schmachten... ♾️ Bend Not Break series | • Daniel Schmachtenberger “Bend Not Bre... ♾️ Meditations on Moloch by SlateStarCodex: https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/ ♾️ The Win-Win Podcast:Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins.

In this episode of the Win-Win podcast we are floating off the coast of Star base, watching the live launch of Starship 6 with Bill Perkins. We explore how satellite data—once inaccessible—is now publicly available, revolutionizing everything from climate monitoring to illegal fishing enforcement. Bill breaks down the real-world applications of satellite imaging, its current impact, and the ethical questions surrounding surveillance. Chapters: 00:00 - Intro 2:17 - Launch 4:30 - Short term benefits of space 5:56 - Unleashing the hive mind 6:40 - Hyperspectral 8:57 - Restrictions and regulations on imaging 11:30 - Positive use cases for satellite imaging 13:59 - is there any information the should be limited ? 16:40 - The future of satellite imaging 20:53 - Rapid fire predictions Credits: ♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree ♾️ Edited and Mixed by Jackson Page ♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico The Win-Win Podcast: Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins. #SpaceX #Starship #SatelliteTech #winwinpodcast #winwin

Explore the future of cooperation and technology in this thought-provoking episode of the Win Win Podcast! Liv chats to Allison Duettman from the Foresight Institute about how to harness emerging technologies like AI, nanotechnology, and blockchain to create a safer, freer world. They explore concepts like "existential hope," "multipolar active shields," and "Pareto-topia," along with strategies for fostering decentralized cooperation. Allison shares her insights on navigating Moloch traps, designing resilient systems, and imagining hopeful futures. If you're curious about creating a positive, thriving future, this episode is a must-watch!

n case you missed it, Liv just won a record-breaking $2,800,000 in the World Series of Poker last month In this episode, she and Igor discuss her victory, why it represents a win-win for both her and animals... how to fix social media... Magnus Carlsen's jeans drama, a drunken game of backgammon and much more. Chapters: 0:00 - Intro and Backgammon 2:45 - Liv’s World Series of Poker Win 10:19 - Liv’s Charity Pledge & Cultivating Win-Wins 14:15 - The Physics of Women’s Feet 17:06 - Addressing Insecurities 19:30 - The H1B Visa Debate 20:16 - How to Fix Social Media Algorithms 39:26 - Elon Musk and X.com 44:55 - Magnus Carlsen Jeans Chess Drama 49:15 - The Multiverse Poker Tour Credits ♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree ♾️ Edited and Mixed by Jackson ♾️ Produced by Luca DeVico The Win-Win Podcast: Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins. #winwinpodcast #poker #backgammon

The Botez sisters are no strangers to competition. But how do they manage their competitive urges? How does it affect their relationship to one another, as sisters? These are just some of the many intimate topics we cover in today's Win-Win episode. Best known for their hilarious chess streaming videos, Andrea and Alexandra Botez are some of the world's most celebrated gamers - born into a household that demanded excellence, they both competed on the chess circuit to a high level before turning to streaming and launching themselves to gaming superstardom. Chess is obviously their main game, but they're starting to dominate so many other games too: Alex in poker, and Andrea in DJing! (links to those channels below). In this conversation with Liv Boeree we hear all the good, bad and ugly sides of life as women in the world of gaming. Chapters 01:19 - Who is More Competitive? 07:42 - Growing Up In Competitive Chess 15:00 - Why Games? 28:43 - Building a Youtube Audience 31:52 - Beauty Filters and Coordination Problems 35:13 - The Hotness Dilemma 52:31 - Sexism in Chess vs. Poker 1:00:09 - Magnus Carlsen 1:01:50 - Trash Talking 1:03:30 - FIDE and Centralized Rules 1:07:04 - Weirdest Moments Playing Chess 1:10:10 - The Future of Botez? 1:14:03 - Rapid-fire Predictions Credits ♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree ♾️ Edited and Mixed by Ryan Kessler ♾️ Trailer Edit by Perry Sinclair The Win-Win Podcast: Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins. #botez #winwinpodcast #chess #influencer

How fast is the AI race really going? What is the current state of Quantum Computing? What actually *is* the P vs NP problem? - former OpenAI researcher and theoretical computer scientist Scott Aaronson joins Liv and Igor to discuss everything quantum, AI and consciousness. We hear about his experience working on OpenAI's "superalignment team", whether quantum computers might break Bitcoin, the state of University Admissions, and even a proposal for a new religion! Strap in for a fascinating conversation that bridges deep theory with pressing real-world concerns about our technological future. Chapters: 1:30 - Working at OpenAI 4:23 - His Approaches to AI Alignment 6:23 - Watermarking & Detection of AI content 19:15 - P vs. NP 27:11 - The Current State of AI Safety 37:38 - Bad "Just-a-ism" Arguments around LLMs 48:25 - What Sets Human Creativity Apart from AI 55:30 - A Religion for AGI? 1:00:49 - More Moral Philosophy 1:05:24 - The AI Arms Race 1:11:08 - The Government Intervention Dilemma 1:23:28 - The Current State of Quantum Computing 1:36:25 - Will QC destroy Cryptography? 1:48:55 - Politics on College Campuses 2:03:11 - Scott's Childhood & Relationship with Competition 2:23:25 - Rapid-fire Predictions Links: ♾️ Scott’s Blog: ⁠https://scottaaronson.blog/⁠ ♾️ Scott’s Book: ⁠https://www.amazon.com/Quantum-Computing-since-Democritus-Aaronson/dp/0521199565⁠ ♾️ QIC at UTA: https://www.cs.utexas.edu/~qic/ Credits Credits: ♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree and Igor Kurganov ♾️ Produced by Liv Boeree ♾️ Post-Production by Ryan Kessler The Win-Win Podcast: Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins. #WinWinPodcast #QuantumComputing #AISafety #LLM

How do we escape Moloch’s trap for good? In this special Burning Man edition of Win-Win, Liv forgoes the usual purple chairs for dusty playa to chat with Kristian Rönn. Kristian is the CEO and co-founder of Normative, a platform for helping industries strive for net zero emissions. With intellectual roots in Oxford’s Future of Humanity Institute and his own mission to create positive-sum solutions to climate change, Kristian has just launched a new book - The Darwinian Trap - and in this conversation, Liv and Kristian examine solutions to the short-term thinking and cost externalisation that traditional markets often produce. A conversation full of evolutionary biology, game theory and economics as they examine solutions to the world’s deadliest demon. Chapters (01:42)-The Darwinian Trap (03:42)-Why Is Coordination So Hard? (07:19)-Unstable Equilibriums: The Butterfly Effect of Game Theory (13:55)-Natural Selection: Capitalism's Ace In The Hole (20:16)-How Can A Market Model Anything At All? (22:10)-Betting On Our Values (27:29)-What Problems Do Reputational Markets Solve? (32:56)-Centralized Mechanisms for Overcoming The Darwinian Trap (35:16)-The Risks of Over-Centralization (39:46)-The Burning Man Model (43:00)-Mixed Economies (45:53)-Killing The Incentives or Kill The Organism? (50:59)-The Miracle of Evolutionary Success (54:03)-Finding Hope (56:21)-Spreading Awareness To Defeat Moloch (59:58)-Why Burning Man? Links ♾️ Kristian’s New Book ♾️ Kristian’s Bio ♾️ Liv’s TED talk on Moloch ♾️ Reputational Markets ♾️ Episode Transcript Credits ♾️ Hosted and Produced by Liv Boeree ♾️ Post-Production by Ryan Kessler The Win-Win Podcast: Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins. #WinWinPodcast #TheDarwinianTrap #Moloch

Can we still accurately model elections in such chaotic times? Are prediction markets the future of news? Nate Silver thinks so - Nate is a renowned election analyst, author and former professional poker player. He's the founder of FiveThirtyEight, whose statistical models revolutionized election forecasting, earning him national acclaim. His two books "On The Edge: The Art of Risking Everything." and "Signal in Noise" are inspirations for today's Win-Win conversation with Liv and Igor. We discuss polling accuracy, the importance of prediction markets like Polymarket, poker thinking, solutions to political polarization, and of course his latest predictions on Trump vs Kamala. We also hear his theory on "The River" and "The Village" communities, defined by their opposing perspectives on risk - and how these contrasting worldviews shape approaches to everything from public health policy to technology. Chapters 00:01:34 - Predicting Elections 00:06:49 - Trump Assassination Attempt 00:11:45 - Prediction Markets 00:21:13 - Nate’s New Book on Risk 00:25:53 - Institutional screwups on COVID 00:33:30 - Why are People so Averse to Probabilities? 00:35:27 - Silicon Valley’s Blind Spots 00:40:43 - Excessively Risky Behavior 00:44:29 - Regulations 00:48:55 - Finding Common Ground 01:00:18 - Alternative Voting Structures 01:06:50 - Signal vs Noise in the AI age 01:12:15 - Advice for Sharpening Your Models 01:22:25 - Nate’s Maxims For A Win-Win Future Links: ♾️ Nate’s Blog: https://www.natesilver.net/ ♾️ Nate’s Twitter: https://x.com/NateSilver538/ Credits: ♾️ Hosted and Produced by Liv Boeree and Igor Kurganov ♾️ Post-Production by Ryan Kessler The Win-Win Podcast: Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins.